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Voronin Continues Fine Line Of Average Liverpool Bargains

April 28, 2007

Peter hopes that Liverpool and Rafa Benitez do follow some of Chelsea’s lead.

For every Xabi Alonso, Dirk Kuyt or Luis Garcia that Rafa Benitez has brought to Liverpool there seems to be a Josemi, Antonio Nunez or Boudewijn Zenden.

Admittedly, managers have differing success in the transfer market and it’s always more dangerous bringing players from abroad who are not acclimatised to the pace of the Premiership so it’s expected that there’ll be an element of hit and miss. But come on Rafa, sort it out. Now it appears that Zenden’s time at Liverpool is coming to an end, another player of his “caliber” is coming to fill his boots. Benitez does like a bargain, and Voronin is coming on a free, much like Zenden 2 seasons ago but I really don’t see where he will play, if he plays at all that is.

With Liverpool’s new, sizable, transfer kitty on the way I’m sure we’ll invest in a striker of the quality of a David Villa or Fernando Torres which will leave Crouch , Kuyt and Bellamy to complete the 4 striker quota that all big teams have. So where does that leave Voronin? I’ve seen the guy play and to be frank he’s distinctly average, as is his goalscoring record.

Do we really have to fill our squad with average players just because they’re free?

The result at Stamford Bridge showed that some of our squad players lack the quality needed to achieve the success a club like Liverpool should expect. It was so disappointing to see such a limp performance by Liverpool on Wednesday that by the end of it I was happy we had only lost 1-0. This was the same team that fought and scrapped against Barcelona, the reigning Champions, to get through to the next round. And now that they’re within touching distance they decide to play like a bunch of idiots who have hardly kicked a ball before.

The simple fact is that while, admittedly, Zenden for free isn’t bad but there’s no way we should be looking to him as an option for the starting eleven in possibly the most important game of the season. Watford, a home, then sure. I understand that Steve Finnan is injured and that had he been fit Zenden would not have started the match but I don’t understand why someone else wasn’t deployed. We spent 8 million for Jermaine Pennant in the summer to have a winger, and even though Zenden was on the left, Benitez could have put Gerrard on the left like he did for the league game against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge. He could have played Hyypia at centre back and Agger at left back if he wanted to keep it tight at the back. He could have played Gonzalez who, while a bit of a risk defensively, is infinitely better than Zenden going forward. I also don’t see the point of playing two holding midfielders if you’re not going to be a little more adventurous on the wings.

I know, I know, I haven’t won any Champions League medals as a manager and neither have I won any La Liga titles but I can tell when I see an under performing team, especially in probably our most important game of the season. If we’d gotten battered at Stamford Bridge, which almost happened, we would not have anything left to play for. I don’t fancy our chances of beating Chelsea by two clear goals, there’s only so much the Anfield crowd can do.

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42 Responses to “Voronin Continues Fine Line Of Average Liverpool Bargains”

  1. Toe
    on April 28th, 2007 5:11 pm

    Not a scouser r yer.

  2. john toher
    on April 28th, 2007 5:15 pm

    i agree totally, bring back houllier

  3. yoda
    on April 28th, 2007 5:51 pm

    Have you seen how little time our current 4th striker has actually played this season? And Robbie’s a crowd god!

    Finding players who are prepared to, at best, warm the bench and, more often, not make the squad most weeks and can still do a job when called on ain’t easy.

    Rafa’s seen something he likes in Voronin that makes him worth a place in the squad. So how about we wait until he actually arrives in the country before we decide he’s a flop eh?

    btw Zenden is, what, 4th/5th choice on left wing after Garcia, Riise, Aurelio (and Gonzalez anywhere but away to the other big 4 sides)

  4. hamshanks
    on April 28th, 2007 5:55 pm

    the bloke hasn’t kicked a ball yet and you’ve condemned him as a failier. Maybe Rafa should spend all his money on class like Ballack or Schevchenco, because they’ve “proven” performers?

    There ar eno guarrantees when you buy a player, and it used to be teams would “see potential” in someone. Where did ian Rush come from? Rush couldn’t hit a barn door for his first 10 games or so but we saw potential in him.

  5. William Pedersen
    on April 28th, 2007 5:57 pm

    Benitez has used a lot of money, and just a few of the signings are playes that fit into the team.
    3 seasons in charge and we are still down in the picking order of the league.I agree that Benitez has formed Liverpool into a european rollercoaster but i most remind that the league still is our bread and butter.17 years without any league championship is just crazy.Since Liverpool last won the league europe has got 12 new countries, the berlin wall has fellt to pieces.Norway has got 6 different prime ministers.There has been 5 world cups,5 different presidents of the United States,6 olympic games and i could continue like this in hours. Blackburn far down in the middle of the table has won the premier league, Leeds United bottom third in the first division has won it but liverpool has not.Its time to kick somebodys ass and i look forward to it. If betinez and Liverpool fail to qualify to the final on tuesday the season has been a big failure.Out of every competition in january and there is no excuse for it.If the manager dont deliverer the goods bring us a man that can.

  6. alonsoeuroking
    on April 28th, 2007 7:30 pm

    billy pedersen you jerk==Rafa is the best manager we have had since Kenny–so get off the lads back and support the team, Zenden,Josemi,nunez and the rest are just ameans to an end, but they were all much better than thelikes of dundee, Ferri et al

    3yrs really is no time at all when you are turning a club around but one fa cup,one super cup, and maybe two european cups will be listed forever–give the man some support as we were going nowhere before he came

  7. Anonymous
    on April 28th, 2007 7:39 pm

    Its a bit harsh on a man who brought Champions League success in his first season. You have to remember who Liverpool are competeing against at the top of Premiership…For me Benitez is one of the best managers there is, certainly as a tactician and he and Mourinho had a very similar CV not too long ago. Maybe this hasn’t been the best season for Liverpool, it hasn’t for Arsenal either, but I very much doubt there are many people out there calling for Wenger to be replaced? Do you see where I’m coming from…

  8. TheViking
    on April 28th, 2007 9:09 pm

    Have to say, that Rafa play’s very defencely, but let’s face it, we are top four in england and for that matter top 4 in europe. The only thing that gets to me is that, we really are one of the best in europe, but in england, after man. utd. and chelsea, liverpool and arsenal come….but then again, Rafa is new in england, been trying tings out. Now he has been given money to buy top players, I’m sure the future is with us.
    Btw. Vornin, well, we get him for free, if he makes it at anfield, great. If he doesn’t, we’ll get 1,5. mill. for him, no big deal!!!!

    One last thing, are Ballack and Sheva worth the money?

    TheViking

    P.S. Give Steve G. a free role on the central….

  9. shervin
    on April 28th, 2007 10:43 pm

    Voronin has looked average because simply no one in the leverkusen side seems to be able to spot his runs(which are quite brillant at times) apart maybe from Schneider. But with players like Gerrard and Alonso behind him, expect the ukrainian to hit the form of his life at lfc.

  10. Ragnar
    on April 28th, 2007 10:48 pm

    I think Rafa should definetly get all LFC supporters support for another season or two, he has done a lot better then the previous couple of LFC managers. Veronin should be given a season to prove himself, after all, I dont tink he was signed to bring the league title to Anfield by himself. Steven Gerrard should be given the freedome to roam, but from the right (or the midfield battle will be lost), but should also take on the wing role in between (which he definetly didnt on wednesday, and thereby allowed Chelsky to be wery compact in midfield). The worst thing though, is that on tuesday Chelsky will just wait for LFC’s first mistake in theire counter attacking mode, which I personally think is wery sad for the ‘richest’ club in the world. They should be going for the Barca model.

    I think all LFC supporters should keep the faith in the players, and sing like hell on tuesday, be it at Anfield, pubs or where ever. The players will rise to the occasion!

    Then again its only my opinion. Thanks for opholding a venue where one can publicise ones feelings!

    YNWA.

  11. ChristopherWreh=God
    on April 28th, 2007 11:24 pm

    I am glad people are seeing sense and getting behind Benitez, I’m an Arsenal fan and cannot understand the comments made by ‘William Pedersen’. Liverpool are in the Champions League semi final and 3rd/4th in the Premiership and you think Rafa’s the wrong man for the job?

  12. Simon
    on April 29th, 2007 8:06 am

    Whilst I agree with your thoughts about Voronin I don’t entirely agree with you about Zenden. I know he’s not a dynamic type of player who will win you matches, but comparing him with Nunez or Josemi is unfair. On wednesday night he was attacking the left flank looking to deliver a ball over only to find that the ineffective Bellamy and Kuyt were creating space for themselves. None of the midfielders were getting into the box so Zenden had no target. It is my feeling that Benitez was actually just looking for a clean sheet. I think he was just playing mind games with Moanrinho about looking to win. Its not over yet, have faith, although I do think if Chelsea score we’re out.

  13. Simon
    on April 29th, 2007 8:27 am

    [Edit]…I meant to say that Bellamy and Kuyt were NOT creating space for themselves. Looked as if they were marking Terry and Carvallho! On a plus point, Carvallho looks to be out for tuesday. He was there best player on wednesday and probably has been most of there season, barring Drogbreath.

  14. magnumopus
    on April 29th, 2007 8:32 am

    No worries mate! Score wil be ‘Pool 2-0.

    And then on to conquer Europe…

  15. Chris
    on April 29th, 2007 9:53 am

    The article got off to a bad start in the first sentence by inferring that Kuyt is a top-class player. He’s just about the most ‘average’ player anyone could wish to find. He’s not the fastest, not got great control, not a great finisher, not someone who can play in the hole a la Bergkamp, Sheringham or Litmanen, not got any pace and not the best at holding the ball up. But he tries hard eh? I can find you 1000 players who’ll run round for 90 minutes but let’s face it that should be the MINIMUM requirement, not the basis for hero worship. I’ll support him (and any other Liverpool player when they’re out on the pitch) but at the same time it’s blatantly obvious that he falls well below top-class. Compare him to Drogba and it’s man against boy unfortunately.

  16. Cloggs
    on April 29th, 2007 9:54 am

    This is getting so old. Chelsea have Veron, Man U have Djemba Djemba, Arsenal have Frannie Jeffers. Every club and every manager have players who do not live up to their expectations. Get over it.

  17. Cloggs
    on April 29th, 2007 9:56 am

    [quote comment=”38261″]The article got off to a bad start in the first sentence by inferring that Kuyt is a top-class player. He’s just about the most ‘average’ player anyone could wish to find. He’s not the fastest, not got great control, not a great finisher, not someone who can play in the hole a la Bergkamp, Sheringham or Litmanen, not got any pace and not the best at holding the ball up. But he tries hard eh? I can find you 1000 players who’ll run round for 90 minutes but let’s face it that should be the MINIMUM requirement, not the basis for hero worship. I’ll support him (and any other Liverpool player when they’re out on the pitch) but at the same time it’s blatantly obvious that he falls well below top-class. Compare him to Drogba and it’s man against boy unfortunately.[/quote]

    Sorry Chris but I’m sure you didn’t say that about Drogba during his first season..

  18. Chris
    on April 29th, 2007 10:39 am

    [quote comment=”38263″][quote comment=”38261″]The article got off to a bad start in the first sentence by inferring that Kuyt is a top-class player. He’s just about the most ‘average’ player anyone could wish to find. He’s not the fastest, not got great control, not a great finisher, not someone who can play in the hole a la Bergkamp, Sheringham or Litmanen, not got any pace and not the best at holding the ball up. But he tries hard eh? I can find you 1000 players who’ll run round for 90 minutes but let’s face it that should be the MINIMUM requirement, not the basis for hero worship. I’ll support him (and any other Liverpool player when they’re out on the pitch) but at the same time it’s blatantly obvious that he falls well below top-class. Compare him to Drogba and it’s man against boy unfortunately.[/quote]

    Sorry Chris but I’m sure you didn’t say that about Drogba during his first season..[/quote]

    Drogba’s first season wasn’t actually as bad as people made out. It was his diving and transfer fee that singled him out. Yes he’s a horrible cheat but he was a major part in at least 2 of their victories against us in his first season (one in which he single-handedly tore us apart) plus they won the league, so he must have been doing something right. If Kuyt turns into even half the player Drogba is I’ll eat your jester hat.

  19. Red Rich
    on April 29th, 2007 10:44 am

    Yes the team did perform, below par but from what i saw the worst player was riise.
    misplaced passes poor positioning and a general lack of energy, but then does constitute a reason to sell him. NO
    riise is usually one of our main threats when we play Kerchingski, so he had a poor night, im sure he’ll have many more good days at the office.
    My point is don’t jump all over the lads, we are all upset about the 1st half performance but we need to lift the lads no bring them.
    Come tuesday zenden riise or any of the so called lesser players could end up being the hero, and this is why people love the game . so get behind the team not jumping all over them.

    P.s as for voronin when he arrives and has a chance to settle then pass judgement.

  20. Chris
    on April 29th, 2007 10:45 am

    Just checked out his first season after looking at wikipedia. Apparently only Henry outscored him in goals/minutes played that season.

  21. Paul
    on April 29th, 2007 11:07 am

    [quote comment=”38261″]The article got off to a bad start in the first sentence by inferring that Kuyt is a top-class player. He’s just about the most ‘average’ player anyone could wish to find. He’s not the fastest, not got great control, not a great finisher, not someone who can play in the hole a la Bergkamp, Sheringham or Litmanen, not got any pace and not the best at holding the ball up. But he tries hard eh? I can find you 1000 players who’ll run round for 90 minutes but let’s face it that should be the MINIMUM requirement, not the basis for hero worship. I’ll support him (and any other Liverpool player when they’re out on the pitch) but at the same time it’s blatantly obvious that he falls well below top-class. Compare him to Drogba and it’s man against boy unfortunately.[/quote]

    Have to agree about Dirk Kuyt; his lack of class is really obvious. He is no better than Emile Heskey; actually Heskey got more goals in his first 2 seasons and worked just as hard!! But we all knew Heskey wasn’t good enough and neither is Kuyt. He will be a bench warmer when we sign Torres or Villa.

    We’ve seen world class strikers like Fowler, Owen and Anelka play at Anfield in the last 10 years so most genuine fans know what we have now is well below world class strikers. Kuyt should talk less and practice his technique more on the training pitch. He looked poor at the World Cup and looks poor in the Champions League.

  22. Eirikur
    on April 29th, 2007 11:21 am

    I agree with the writer of this article to a certain point. Quality before quantity is what I want and why not buy 3 players for the 40m transfer kitty this summer? We aren´t that far away from a great squad.

    Why should Chelsky be going for the Barca model when when they are so close to the finals??? Is it because they are rich and people hate that they don´t play like a team that has this much of quality in the team? Well newsflash, people. Money doesn´t count when it´s this far in the competition. If money would count then Chelsky could aswell just buy “big ears” every fucking year. And yes, Chelsky will be really dangerous on tuesday due to LFC´s duties to attack on the night. As a LFC fan I am scared of this game and no matter if we could put 1 million fans inside the stadium to cheer us on, I think our only chance on the night is to keep Chelsky away from scoring. If they score we need three and we won´t do that without conceeding more.

  23. ollick
    on April 29th, 2007 11:22 am

    [quote comment=”38234″]Benitez has used a lot of money, and just a few of the signings are playes that fit into the team.
    3 seasons in charge and we are still down in the picking order of the league.I agree that Benitez has formed Liverpool into a european rollercoaster but i most remind that the league still is our bread and butter.17 years without any league championship is just crazy.Since Liverpool last won the league europe has got 12 new countries, the berlin wall has fellt to pieces.Norway has got 6 different prime ministers.There has been 5 world cups,5 different presidents of the United States,6 olympic games and i could continue like this in hours. Blackburn far down in the middle of the table has won the premier league, Leeds United bottom third in the first division has won it but liverpool has not.Its time to kick somebodys ass and i look forward to it. If betinez and Liverpool fail to qualify to the final on tuesday the season has been a big failure.Out of every competition in january and there is no excuse for it.If the manager dont deliverer the goods bring us a man that can.[/quote]

    The quote above just about sums up the inaccuracy of people and their views on Liverpool. As for the actual article, Kuyt a top class player? behave yourself, clapping the fans and playins as an attacking midfielder (for all intents and purposes) doesn’t make you top class, ask Cisse!

    Anyway I digress,

    Leeds Utd HAVEN’T won the Premiership, they were the last team to win the old First Division, Manchester United won the first Premiership.

    It’s annoying that people seem to think that football started in 1992 with the advent of Sky and The Premiership, this just isn’t the case.

    Voronin hasn’t even kicked a ball in anger yet he’s being lynched by our so-called supporters, that’s not what being a Liverpool supporter is about.

    Every club makes it’s mistakes in the transfer market, how many of Rafa’s mistakes are still at the club? Zenden (on a free, plenty of experience) Sissoko (if you read the LFC message boards is another rubbish player) Rafa has shipped out the dross as quickly as possible.

    That’s not including Aurelio, Riise, Dudek, Kewell, Alonso, Hyypia and all the other players, including Gerrard, who’ve been well below their best this season, sell ‘em all, sack Rafa.

    Which leads me back to Voronin, he’s done nothing to warrant the stick he’s receiving, hasn’t played poorly, hasn’t sulked and handed in two transfer requests, hasn’t feinted injury ‘cos he can’t be bothered to try yet he still get’s abuse.

    Get a grip people.

  24. Shane
    on April 29th, 2007 12:56 pm

    Very true, Voronin is not proven at all. I do not buy into the whole ‘in Rafa we trust’ policy either. Cannot use that as license to excuse mediocre signings and us hitting a brick wall at 3rd or 4th spot. We look no closer to breaching the top 2 than we were 2 years ago. Rafa has bought some very average players, granted funds have been an issue ut everyone can see Pennant is a waste. He was clearly 3rd choice for our right wing targets. Zenden is just absolute muck and thank God we spent nothing on him. I expected nothing when we got him and was susrprised at his signing. He has done little to disprove that one. Now we have money buy quality, not just average squad players! Sure Rafa says we have a bigger squad now and more cover but at the cost of quality does it matter? Zenden, Pennant, Dudek, Bellamy & quite possibly Riise out this summer please

  25. ChristopherWreh=God
    on April 29th, 2007 1:02 pm

    Dude, I am not sure what you are reading but where are you drawing the conclusion we want Rafa out? Nothing could be further from the truth, the point we are trying to make as per the main piece is Rafa should stop bringing in average muck that do little for us and buy quality that will make a difference. On Voronin, good point the Viking, we can make money on him but then we aren’t fixing up cars are we?

  26. Nobody
    on April 29th, 2007 1:21 pm

    The thing is that Rafa already spent a quite heavy ammount of cash last summer, and the squad doesn’t look better than the seasons before. Benitez, either way you look at it, rarely comes up with master strokes in the transfer window apart from Xabi, and I sincerely hope that he doesn’t waste another £40m on squad players. Don’t let it fool you, with £40m you are going to buy 1 or maybe 2 world class players and we are certainly need 3 or 4. We need to set up some serious scouting system in places like Portugal and Holland, nations with pedigree and get the best talent out of there like United and Chelsea did with Ronaldo and Kalou.
    How about getting a director of football above rafa to help him with transfers?

  27. arsenegnnr
    on April 29th, 2007 3:09 pm

    Every player is a risk when bought over.There are alot of reasons in which he could not perform for his new club namely the environment and change of tactics and language.The risk has been taken when you first bought him and the next risk is whether he could perform with his new mates.He may take weeks or even months or a full season to adapt.Some hit if off like Berbatov others like Shevchenko has suffered.Has anybody rate highly of Berbatov before he came to Spurs or has anybody thought that Shevchenko wuld be a flop since he is rated as “world class”.Give everybody a chance and God knows he might be the next big thing.

  28. Dave
    on April 29th, 2007 3:30 pm

    Never been to anfield either have ye?

  29. Stevie G (Liverpool)
    on April 29th, 2007 4:35 pm

    I can’t believe some of the comments of people on here. I cannot believe they are fans of Liverpool football club. Rafa arrived and in his first two seasons has won us a Champions League and an FA cup, in his 3rd season he has taken us to the semi-finals of the Champions League and maybe further yet!! Fergie took SEVEN seasons to get United any silverware and was one game away from the sack at one point!! Rafa is only human despite being worshipped by the vast majority of fans and he WILL make mistakes in the transfer market from time to time! Show me a manager who hasn’t but I also believe he is an intelligent, shrewd and dignified manager who is second to none when it comes to getting the best out of his squad. He, himself has been Liverpool’s best signing in the last 25 years! I believe he will lead Liverpool back to the top but “Rome wasn’t built in a day” and people have to cut him a bit of slack. After all we could have landed that pig-ignorant and arrogant sod Mourinho!! Can you imagine him fronting LFC, I would cringe with embarrassment every time he opened his mouth. Hopefully, he will get his comeuppance on Tuesday evening.

  30. Anonymous
    on April 29th, 2007 6:21 pm

    [quote comment=”38273″]Dude, I am not sure what you are reading but where are you drawing the conclusion we want Rafa out? Nothing could be further from the truth, the point we are trying to make as per the main piece is Rafa should stop bringing in average muck that do little for us and buy quality that will make a difference. On Voronin, good point the Viking, we can make money on him but then we aren’t fixing up cars are we?[/quote]

    That’s the whole point though, if you’re going to slate a player who hasn’t even played for the club the you HAVE to look at the man making such a ‘poor’ signing.

    Rafa Benitez

    Whatever you think of him one of the following will have to happen in order to justify the signing of Voronin.

    a. Fowler + 1 leaves (not Crouch, Rafa has come out and said he’s staying, not Kuyt, he’ll get another year so probably Bellamy) This’ll allow Rafa to have 4 main strikers to rotate as needed, say Crouch, Kuyt, Villa, Voronin.

    b. Only Fowler will move and we’ll go with Crouch, Kuyt, Bellamy, Voronin.

    c. Only Fowler will move and we’ll still sign another striker (Villa, Tevez, Bent, the blond lad from Atletico-Madrid, Huntelaar (sp) Eto’o etc, etc) and Voronin will become another Diao/Kewell sucking money out of the club.

    Though I appreciate what Rafa has achieved since his arrival and that it has bought him a degree of time with the board/owners and fans let’s not forget that he’s one of the best paid managers in European football and should be achieving the things he is. What worries me is that 2 more seasons without the league title and we’ll start to see the Houllier effect amongst the fans.

    Roll on Tues!

  31. SilentScream
    on April 29th, 2007 6:43 pm

    Fans turned on Houllier because he made the team play dull defensive football, not because of bad results (other than those caused by said dull defensive football, of course).

  32. Dave Sawyer
    on April 30th, 2007 2:02 pm

    Rafa’s doing well bUT - he should buy Cliff Lazarenko and Ken Kercheval from the world of darts and Dallas respectively. Even if he buy them disrespectively it is OK. I think tomorrow is a big night at Anfield. Evereybody here on the CaughtOffsides website is arguing over who is going to win but you know this is not the most important thing in the world: Spare a thought for the poor people who don’t play football, don’t know about football and aren’t so keen on football. They are the real losers in all this. Like silly Jim Davidson with his racist jokes - he is maybe the one that the crowd should shout about - stupid old bastard. And then it is Wednesday and Milan with Uniteds of Manchester… what then - will there be a lot of crowd trouble? Who will win the snooker? Who will win the Cricketers world cup final? Who will win the butterscotch angel delight in the Jalan Setia Kasih Satu school tombola? Please remember fans of Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchetsre and even Milanese, it is not the big all and end of all to win in the footbal cups, sometimes it is better to sneak a look down the supermarket till girl’s blouse and find out what colour of her brassiere……. today it was white and I very nearly caught a nipple. If it hadn’t been for stupid Mrs Chow asking for her cigarettes I would have seen it. Damn you Mrs Chow. So this is my life. What a life. hahahahaha.

  33. Da Bob-Meister
    on April 30th, 2007 2:02 pm

    Lots of comments, lots of interesting points, however I think the most important thing is to back Benitez and see how far he can take us. I have not seen anyone mention the fact that Benitez took an unfancied team such as Valencia and broke the dominance that was Real Madrid and Barca with La Liga titles. However I do believe in England it is different in terms of style, pace and technique. Yes we have some great players in the premiership and most are foreign. Some points which I think that must happen in order for us to be Champions of England:
    1. Benitez must buy ‘proven’ players
    2. More youth players need to be sought and brought forward (e.g look at Wenger turning ordinary players into world beaters)
    3. Benitez must instill ‘British Bulldog’ spirit into the foreign players, local lads such as Carra and Stevie G have to play a part in getting the imports to know what it means to play for the reds.
    4. Benitez has to adopt the english style of play, too many times we have been caught short and we haven’t managed to get that extra mile out of the players to become champions (Houllier brought us close with 2nd but thats about it)
    5. We must get ‘world class’ wingers because thats where our success will come from, look at great teams of the past who have won championships, kancelskis, giggs, overmars, robben, J cole, Limpar, Kewell (when he was at Leeds), Johnny Barnes, the list is endless…these guys were the pivotal part of progression for their clubs. WE HAVE NOT HAD TRUE GREAT WINGER OR WINGERS FOR A LONG TIME !
    6. We need an arrogant and selfish striker, one who is agressive, classy with quick feet and will strike fear in any opponent. The young brazilian Ronaldo, Andy Cole, Van Basten, Shearer, these guys tore defences apart, we dont have anyone in the same mould. WE NEED TO BUY BUG THIS SUMMER TO GET THAT MAN OR 2 IF POSSIBLE and get rid of the dead wood.

    It will take time for us to become league champions and until Benitez stops buying mediocre players, the suffering will continue.
    We need top scouts to get in there first not buy every bloody spanish player that Bentiez knows out there !
    We are the greatest English football team to grace foreign lands everywhere but our players most often than not are not delivering and a lot of it is down to the coach and the adapting to the style and pace of the premiership. We are the best fans in the world and we have the most patience but we are the nearly men and unless something really drastic starts to happen, we will still be sniffing on the backsides of those scummy Mancs and those arrogant gits from Kings road.
    Adios amigos..
    Best of luck for Tues !
    Da Bob-Meister

  34. Joe Bop Mcgreal
    on April 30th, 2007 2:31 pm

    ye scouse cunts!

  35. Da Bob-Meister
    on April 30th, 2007 2:54 pm

    interesting comments and some valid points however no one has mentioned that:

    1. Benitez with his unfancied Valencia broke the dominance that was Real and Barca to La Liga titiles HOWEVER he will need more than that to gate crash UTD and Chelski
    2. Benitez has brought in mediocre and average players but who hasnt - however other managers have had better squad players over the course of the season to not let it affect their title aspirations
    3. Benitez must adopt the ‘english’ style of play in order to get his first title. Yes Fergie has had to wait a long time for his first but look what has happened since he has won it and now Mourinho with his dogged team ARE grinding out results and titles
    4. We will always be remembered for our European displays which is no good if we come 3rd or 4th. Gone are the days that only ONE true champion of their country were competing with ONE from other countries that is why the competition is a little more undervalued. We need to win the title and very soon.
    5. We are in desperate need for ‘world class’ wingers, look at the great championship winning teams of the past, they all had exceptional wingers who were pivotal in the progression of their respective teams i.e Kancelskis, Giggs, Limpar, Overmars, Barnes, Kewell, Sharpe the list goes on. WE NEED 2 WORLD BEATING WINGERS !
    6. Benitez MUST BUY a selfish or more agressive and prolific striker, someone who will strike fear into their opponents i.e the young brazilian Ronaldo, Shearer, Andy Cole, we just dont have that cutting edge and we NEED 2 of them.
    7. We need to strengthen at the back. We need a Franco Beresi or a Desailly moould type player who can read the game, good in the air, strong on the ball, intelligent and commands respect, we dont have that, yes Carra is good but if he gets injured who do we have ??? all great teams build from the back, everyone is going on about a striker and thats fine but spend big to get a great defender.
    8. We need to get rid of the dead wood that is slowing eating away at our team. Zenden, Fowler, Bellamy, Pennant, Riise, even Kuyt to a certain extent are not on the same bracket as say Robben, Cole, Drogba or even Rooney, Giggs and Ronaldo. Every team has a 3 amigos who carry their team home. We have not had that.
    9. We need a great international souting system, we dont have a sporting director to scout the best young talent across the globe who will have influence in bringing them here, Arsenal have the best young crop of players i have seen since the Fergies Babes of beckham, scholes etc and they will come good in the next few years as im sure Arsene has done previously with ‘who the hell is Veira ?’ scenario
    10. We need to give our youth system a chance and bring in more youngsters, where are the Owen’s and Stevie G’s of this world coming through..what happened to those youngsters who won the carling cup semi againt Spurs in 2005 ? yes we have retained the youth FA cup final but are these kids any good to get into the first team, we’ll never know !

    We are the most successful english football team in the world and have the best fans in the world but time and time again we are being let down and its time for us to challenge hard and be more progressive and for us to stop seeing the ‘behinds’ of those Mancs and the arrogance of Kings Road men, otherwise we will always be the nearly men.
    Best of luck to the boys on Tues…
    Adios-Amigos
    Da Bob-Meister

  36. AMIGO
    on May 8th, 2007 11:53 am

    Ребята, зря вы так!!! Воронин очень хороший игрок…со временем вы поймете, что именно такого вам не хватало! Просто в Байере ему сложно раскрыться, из-за отсутствия хороших ассистентов…вы еще будете благодарить Украину за такого классного игрока!!!=)

  37. cfc4ever
    on May 8th, 2007 11:56 am

    AMIGO this is gibberish

    WE are the famous C.F.C.
    Let’s go fuckin mental
    Let’s go fuckin mental

  38. Ad
    on May 11th, 2007 2:52 am

    Good point well made cfc4ever. I’ve been abroad for a while so I’ve not been keeping up with the footie but I assume Chelsea are in the CL final, right?

  39. Rushback
    on May 15th, 2007 5:44 pm

    [quote comment=”39653″] I assume Chelsea are in the CL final, right?[/quote]

    maureen said they were after the first leg so i would assume so, btw, he also said the same in 2005

  40. DRAGOALA
    on June 11th, 2007 3:18 pm

    A bit worried with no big signings.I’m assuming Voronin is ok with what i saw at world cup but i agree that liverpool needs a world class striker to win the premier league.

  41. greg
    on July 7th, 2007 3:01 pm

    ive seen quite a bit of voronin in the bundesliga and hes quite ok,not alan shearer but a good free transfer.

  42. mike
    on September 4th, 2007 3:32 pm

    this whole thread is shit, voronin is coring a bunch of goals and would kick all of your asses in a heart beat…………..

    a better acquisition than most think.

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