Arsenal’s Professor Needs To Take Some Responsibility Before Criticising Others
August 29, 2007
Mr. C wishes Arsene Wenger’s attitude would match his ability.
When I was at school there was this kid Mark who could only be described as a social misfit. His hair was messy, clothes were dreadful and he was far too geeky for his own good. Conversation was dull and he was the butt of most jokes, but one day Mark decided to take drastic action and over the summer and had a makeover.
Hair gel was introduced, cords were replaced and his hi tech boots were replaced by a slick pair of Nikes; in truth it could have been a new kid that had joined the class that day. We all know appearances can be deceiving and why Mark had done his best to shift his nerdy façade with his self improvement; we were always reminded of his geeky past and that always stuck till the day we left school.
Mark was an Arsenal fan which was understandable; I mean have you ever met one with charisma? But I often wonder whether this anecdote is a fair reflection of the struggle Arsenal FC have faced ever since Arsene Wenger took charge; I mean for all the style and flair they now posses, can anyone take them seriously given their past?
You talk to Arsenal fans and you would think they had been playing the beautiful game all their lives, a rather telling indication of their fan base, but as Mark found to his detriment that people always will remember the dark old day in this case when Arsenal personified dour, boring and an extreme lack of class; a trait that still lives on in the persona of most goon fans.
Arsene Wenger is without a doubt one of the great manager’s of our time; master tactician and the transformation he has made at Arsenal is phenomenal considering the tight fisted board he has behind him. He turned a group of alcoholics, druggies, gamblers and a wife beater into champions within his first full season in charge and over the years unearthed some great young talent that have lit up the Premiership. Like all successful people they get their fair amount of knockers who will do anything to put them down. While Spurs fans tend to focus on made-up allegations of a seedy sex life, the press tend to hound his constant overlooking of English talent in preference of foreign kids.
I mean is Senderos any better than Dawson? Is Hleb any better than Lennon or David Bentley for that matter? And the fees are no different. Only signing 11 English players in 10 years at the club shows his contempt for our talent and the development of our domestic game…you could argue that Wenger had a point if it wasn’t for the fact that Chelsea and Manchester United now dominate the Premiership with their predominately English spines.
For all Wenger’s achievements in turning the fortunes of Arsenal round you could question whether he is also responsible for tearing up all the decent traditions Arsenal use to stand by which was honesty and fair play; the crimes that club has got away is monumental but it’s amazing what happens when a former director had such influence at the FA. There was a day when Arsenal appreciated the kind of hard work and graft that Blackburn, Bolton and others have shown instead of whinging about how mean they are.
Maybe Wenger should wake up to the fact that Fabregas for all his abilities doesn’t offer the muscle that Vieria gave them, Rosicky falls over at the merest touch, Hleb is weak and Theo Walcott is failing to live up to the hype that surrounds him and maybe do something about it for Arsenal rather than complain about opposition clubs who exploit those weaknesses.
Arsenal have become a soft touch pure and simple and it’s the reason why they have now become also ran’s like the rest of us…maybe the Professor should look at his own team shortcomings before criticising others.
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You could work on MOTD with tired old cliched rubbish like that. Arsenal are not a soft touch, every game this season has proved it. Ajax in a pre season friendly tried to kick lumps out of us, we hit back. Sparta’s plan was even more aggresive, we handled it and fought back. Blackburn the same.
As for the tradition of English players being brought through, Wenger is continuing that with the Academy which has the second highest local scholoars after Boro.
Clearly writen by a bitter 10 year old Spurs fan. AW has bought 11 English players and most of them have turned out to be overpriced and over rated (see the Spurs current team, and United’s for that matter). He buys abroad because AFC doesn’t have a bottomless pit of cash they don’t have to pay back. All goons over 20 know how crap we were in the 80’s but the football on the whole was pants back then…(probably something to do with all the English players). Stupid article poorly written and a bad point badly put to be honest.
E-
Must try harder.
you really are a fucking cunt
Three Arsenal players in the England U17 side that beat Brazil.
And you didn’t see Fabregas dump Vieira on his arse when we knocked Inter out of the champions league.
Ask Tomas Repka if Fabregas is hard enough.
You’re just spouting a load of sour grapes mate.
And it’s all bollocks.
I’m sorry I read this nonsense.
One of the most hysterical,ignorant and very much jealous articles that has ever been written by a Human.
You are so envious of what WENGER has acheived and will acheive it is very very sad…..but then all Spurs and Chelsea fans are like this…
You go on spending Billions and embarrasing yourselves …We will play the beautful game and keep emabarrasing you!!!!!
You are a total twat and do not deserve anything else except…..the future!!!!!
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[quote comment=”58020″]Clearly writen by a bitter 10 year old Spurs fan. AW has bought 11 English players and most of them have turned out to be overpriced and over rated (see the Spurs current team, and United’s for that matter). He buys abroad because AFC doesn’t have a bottomless pit of cash they don’t have to pay back. All goons over 20 know how crap we were in the 80’s but the football on the whole was pants back then…(probably something to do with all the English players). Stupid article poorly written and a bad point badly put to be honest.
E-
Must try harder.[/quote]
Thanks for that ObiWan…. You’ve just said exactly what I would’ve if I could be bothered to reply to this inane article !!!
Lots of reasonable points made but
1)Forget Senderos.I am over 60 and probably better than Dawson.
2)Young English talent generally hardly exists and where it does it is so over-rated and over-priced that only desperation would make anyone a buyer.
3)Spurs who have been starting recently with about 3 English players have certainly been buying English but,with the possible future exception of Lennon,they are all players that none of the so-called big four would touch with a barge-pole.
4)Need one say more than point out that Spurs paid a fortune for an English penalty taker in the summer yet started recently with a mid field of Tainio,Jenas,Sokari and Malbranque.
you articule is so full of contradictions i’m not even gonna bother listing them.
Mr C
From my part of the world, we only recognised a Tottenham with Jurgen Klinsman. Anything beyond, Spurs is a crap team now.
Frankly, i followed Spurs when there was a Steve Archibald and till Glenn Hoddle era. I gave up the team after couldn’t see the new Spurs conjure any magic. They simply can’t even keep a Sol Campbell or a Michael Carrick in the club. Simply club that no ambitions. Stop Nagging at Arsenal.
Wake up. Stay relevant. The circus has left town decades ago.
What a load of bollocks.
Typical Spud.
Yes Senderos (a back-up centre half) IS better than that Gormless Ape Dawson (your first choice).
Hleb IS better than the headless chicken who can’t cross Lennon (or that lazy twat Bentley “for that matter”)
Once again a Spud attempts to write an objective piece only to have that burning jealousy bubble to the top.
You won the league in black and white. George Graham from “the dark old days” won you your last trophy. From 12 points you’ve amassed 3, yer shit and you know you are.
Shit.. a piece of shit.
Man how stupid can u get… to diss the second most successful manager in the premiership. fucking pathetic biaatch, cunt, naai, and ur mama too, Poes!
Imbecile
What’s Chelsea’s English core? As far as I know Chelsea depend on Essien, Lampard, Drogba and Cech. English core?
Man U: Their core is Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney, Scholes?
English players are over-rated and way too expensive.
And yes, Hleb is better than Lennon.
Adn all that soft touch rhetoric is pure bollocks. Soft touch or not we’d still whip your sorry old team any day.
your a prat
You Gunner fans sure are a prickly lot. I enjoyed the article because it is what everyone else says about your manager and team. Crybabies and divers pretty much describes it. Blackburn may not be a big side but we know what it takes to unravel your squad and manager and thats what its all about. Good luck making it back to the big 4, we’ll see you there.
Great stuff. For a Spurs fan you have an excellent command of the English language. Not to take too much of what you said to heart (being a gooner who considers himself to have, oh, a little bit of charisma) but what in the sam hill are you talking about?
Arsenal played ‘boring’ but successful football in the ’60’s and mid ’80’s to early ’90’s. Most Arsenal fans put their hands up to that. That team could also play football though - it wasn’t as if every game was 1-0 (ask most Everton fans - Wright had a field day every time he played them) so to call it ‘dour’ and insist that this was the rule when it was, in fact, the exception borne out of the first three Graham years. An outsider looking in often can’t see the wood for the trees or in your case is just a fucking plank. Your point about Arsenal lacking ‘bite’…this is the only observation of yours I’d agree with. But a minor one at best. We remain unbeaten this season - who else can make that claim?
As for saying Arsenal have ‘no class’. That’s enough to raise a fucking smile on a corpse. Arsenal are one of the most traditional and classy clubs in the country - ask most football fans and they are honest enough to be truthful about that point. Just blinkered morons like yourself lack the CLASS to admit it.
As for English players the problem isn’t so much having the quality as getting it for the right price - why spend £16m on unproven talent in the shape of Bent when you go out and spend £8m on Eduardo (who, admittedly, is unproven in the Premier League)? As soon as an English club becomes interested in the player of another English club the price becomes ridiculously inflated: Curtis Davies at £10m? Carrick at £18m? SWP at £24m? An absolute piss take.
If players are good enough it shouldn’t matter where they come from as long as they deliver trophies - something Spurs remain a long way from with their Engerlish players. Moronic nit picking from an absolute twat.
Man talk about objectivity….really feel sorry for you
Not at all surprising to see this article to try and deflect attention away from the only North London team in any sort of genuine crisis this summer, as opposed to the fabricated crisis we had to go through. Ahhh, Spurs are a lot of fun if nothing else
So many of the questions posed are easily countered. For instance, the age old concern about English players. Arsene has re-iterated again and again that passport is not the criteria for his judgement of players, it’s ability, and he has a problem with the quality of football education in England, simple as that. You obviously don’t know much about Arsenal’s youth teams, filled with quality young English players including those mentioned at the U17 world cup, as well as some European talent for good measure. This isn’t to mention some of the English talent that’s been let go due to their desire of first team football elsewhere including Sidwell, Bentley and Muamba. Arsene can hardly be held responsible if some of those players want to go can he? Needless to say, if Bentley was a bit more patient, he’d be in this Arsenal team easily. If Arsene had genuine contempt for English players, and you seem convinced of this, he would have shown Adams etc the arse the minute he came into the club but he saw their value and their worth and he stuck with them because he knew they could still be valuable players.
The criticism is ironic given that Spurs, with the help of Comolli, have adapted a fairly Arsenal-esque approach to team building with the buying of exciting young foreign talent like Taraabt, but don’t let get in the way of some tired, petty bitching.
I won’t bother going on with the rest because it’s mostly bitter spurs shite disguised with a faux-conciliatory ‘oh Wenger is brilliant BUT’, but I couldn’t ignore this:
“I mean is Senderos any better than Dawson?”
Hahahahaha, you’re taking the piss surely? World Cup player for Switzerland at the age of 21, star of an Arsenal defense that goes 10 Champions League games without conceding a goal against the like of Juventus and Real Madrid, and has finished above Michael Dawson’s team in every season he’s played for Arsenal. Is Senderos any better than Dawson? Too fucking right he is.
All arsenal fans are boring? Arsenal hates the english domestic game? Mr.C sucks men in toilets for money?
Now looking at those questions we can easily discern which one is true.
All of x is a very broad genral statement that is based on stereotypes, never a good way to make any point. if there was a point being made rather than a rant of jelousy.
see how you can use the formula to make anything up.
All spurs fans sleep with their sisters. of course this is false, as we all know spurs have cocks close to there hearts.
Arsenal has it in for the english domestic game. evil wenger, sitting there stroking a white pussy [007 style u sick bitches - not like that] laffing while watching robinson hit yet another long ball to crouch. “hhahahaha u english pig dogs will never win the world cup again!!!!!” - or on second thought lets look at cole walcott hoyte sidwell and bently to name name a few great english players that arsene has developed. in fact theres a great quote from him recently saying how he reckons in 10 years england is going to be at the forefront of football because how all english clubs have renovated there youth academies. thanks mainly to sir fergy and the geeky one.
too bad at the moment SWP costs 21mil and bent [lol] cost 16mil - while kolo toure cost 150 000… know which one id buy.
and the third one? thats true… white hart lane south side far left cubicle every halftime… he advertises…
[quote comment=”58046″]You Gunner fans sure are a prickly lot. I enjoyed the article because it is what everyone else says about your manager and team. Crybabies and divers pretty much describes it. Blackburn may not be a big side but we know what it takes to unravel your squad and manager and thats what its all about. Good luck making it back to the big 4, we’ll see you there.[/quote]
Laughing my BALLS off. As if you ‘unravelled’ us at all - if it wasn’t for a mistake from Lehmann it would have been another 3 points. Remove the blinkers and just come clean - you LOVE THE COCK.
[quote comment=”58046″]You Gunner fans sure are a prickly lot. I enjoyed the article because it is what everyone else says about your manager and team. Crybabies and divers pretty much describes it. Blackburn may not be a big side but we know what it takes to unravel your squad and manager and thats what its all about. Good luck making it back to the big 4, we’ll see you there.[/quote]
D’ya fuck - of the last 9 meetings we’ve lost 1, drawn 1 and won 7.
By unravel do you mean sit around on the edge of your box? And nick a point through a dodgy keeper moment. How about when we battered you last season with 10 men?
You’re a cunt!
Next!
[quote comment=”58044″]What’s Chelsea’s English core? As far as I know Chelsea depend on Essien, Lampard, Drogba and Cech. English core?
Man U: Their core is Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney, Scholes?
English players are over-rated and way too expensive.
And yes, Hleb is better than Lennon.
Adn all that soft touch rhetoric is pure bollocks. Soft touch or not we’d still whip your sorry old team any day.[/quote]
The fact that you left Terry, ENGLANDS CAPTAIN, out of your list of Chelsea’s English players means you are a prime example of an Arsenal fan’s football knowledge.
Congratulations.
You say Arsenal play beautiful football, then you say Arsenal used to play boring football, and finally you conclude Blackburn football deserves credit. See the problem?
[quote comment=”58049″]Man talk about objectivity….really feel sorry for you[/quote]
Why does he have to be objective? Idiot.
I’m sorry i brought this twisted little tosser into the world. He want to be a journalist but ends up writing for a blog and thinks he’s knows about football. He’s knows nothing; he’s a spurs fan.
Sounds like a typical bitter Spuds.
[quote comment=”58046″]You Gunner fans sure are a prickly lot. I enjoyed the article because it is what everyone else says about your manager and team. Crybabies and divers pretty much describes it. Blackburn may not be a big side but we know what it takes to unravel your squad and manager and thats what its all about. Good luck making it back to the big 4, we’ll see you there.[/quote]
Too funny. Blackburn fan right? The original Chelsea FC if I’m not mistaken? Bunch of cloggers whom the Arse have a handsome record against. 1-1 at home to us must have been your cup final. Well done.
[quote/]The fact that you left Terry, ENGLANDS CAPTAIN, out of your list of Chelsea’s English players means you are a prime example of an Arsenal fan’s football knowledge.
Congratulations.[/quote]
He never listed Chelsea’s English players. Just the players (English or otherwise) that he saw as most influential. It might suprise you to know that Essien and Drogba aren’t English. Twat.
Two points worth commenting on.
Firstly it really annoys me when articles like yours comment on how wenger has contempt for all english players- this is a useless comment.
Man U and Chelsea are successfull with english players, but arsenal have never had the money to overpay for the players like others have. Look at the prices for hargreaves and carrick- ridiculous. With the money we have, and the money demanded for half good english players, we have to go away. If anything, the fact that english players get so overpriced is harming the national game as clubs then have to go abroad for reasonably priced talent- this is not the fault of clubs like arsenal.
Secondly, arsenal are well capable of standing up to a physical game- you don’t have to be big and strong to do this. What it is more to do with is that other players hear this notion of us being a sot touch and then get more physical than they would have normally- which does lead in to trying to stop us playing our usual game illegally, something which we shouldn’t have to be able to deal with.
Your article has one purpose, to belittle arsenal- you failed and just revealed the fact you have no real insight or knowledge and are full of s**t
“personified dour, boring and an extreme lack of class; a trait that still lives on in the persona of most goon fans.” - you know most of us personally? Yes, that title winning game at Anfield 89 was really fucking boring wasnt it?
“I mean have you ever met one with charisma?” - about 60,000, any saturday we’re at home
“the crimes that club has got away is monumental” - what would they be then?
“considering the tight fisted board he has behind him…”
Bergkamp - £7.5million in 1995. Henry, £10m +, Wiltord - £10m +, Jeffers ( yes, english, over-rated, sold asap) £8.5m,
Campbell free, 100k a week. Further back - Malcolm McDonald - £333,000 a British record at the time. I can’t be bother to think of other examples, although there are many.
so - factually wrong, completely spiteful and fully partisan. This article is crap. I’d drop the Mr.C and use your full name - Mr Cunt.
Clever article! Insult & lie about the team you hate and get non stop hits!
As a real Gunner, I know enough from my 58 years of support to remember that all teams have cycles of success, and only a few teams ie; Manure, Liverpool, & Arsenal have any long term pedigree to boast about.
Yes I can remember te 1951 & 1961 Spurs teams.Both were great, but the double side were all purchased internationals. This was the first time in British club history that any club had actually bought success, sadly for Spurs fans it didnt last very long.
I cannot remember the last time Spurs have won anything but it must be galling for their fans to watch Arsenal & Chelsea win trophy after trophy.
As for Arsene (who is God) buying non UK born players, I think I may have a clue why!
Look who he bought before anyone else …Upson, and he was groomed until he broke his leg. From that day on he wined & winged that he could not expect a place in the side because of the fab five. He winged so much that when Brum asked for him on loan, AW said yes. Since then he has gone down & down in value & position.
Pennant the same. Then after signing a turncoat from Spurs, he dicided to lie to the management and insisted that he was going abroad, so as a token of goodwill AW gave him a free….he turned up at Portsmouth ???? Well done harry another dodgy deal!
Oh yes and then there was Mr Cole…totally made by AW, he gets into the England squad, he is paid a small fortune, but after arranging an ilegal meet with Murihnjo, he declares he was fiddled out of an extra £5K per week ??? Yet another lie apparently.
Finally Bentley…a home grown star of the future, by the time he was 17 he had played in quite a few cup matches. He also had a bad injury, and also winged that he was sure that he would never be given a chance to dislodge Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Freddy, Van Percie??? So he demanded a move to the glam team of the north Blackburn?
Apart from those losers / traitors, he purchased Viera for £3 mill…sold him 8 years later for £14. He purchased Anelka for £0.5mill and sold him for £23.5 mill, He bought Henry for £10 mill and 8 years later sold him for £16.5. He bought Petit for £1.5 mill and sold him (with a bad knee) for £8mill, and Overmars for £18mill.
Now Spurs supporters may think that is all bad business, but it shows me that they never learn either to stop living in the 1961 Glory days, or that it is not clever for any club to spend on average £30 mil, per year and never win a thing!
I agree with Anonymous
you really are a fucking cunt!!!
It seems all spurs fans are sad and jealous…
[quote comment=”58064″][quote/]The fact that you left Terry, ENGLANDS CAPTAIN, out of your list of Chelsea’s English players means you are a prime example of an Arsenal fan’s football knowledge.
Congratulations.[/quote]
He never listed Chelsea’s English players. Just the players (English or otherwise) that he saw as most influential. It might suprise you to know that Essien and Drogba aren’t English. Twat.[/quote]
Yeah and Terry certainly isn’t one of Chelseas most influential.
Cunt tosser.
[quote comment=”58054″][quote comment=”58044″]What’s Chelsea’s English core? As far as I know Chelsea depend on Essien, Lampard, Drogba and Cech. English core?
Man U: Their core is Giggs, Ronaldo, Rooney, Scholes?
English players are over-rated and way too expensive.
And yes, Hleb is better than Lennon.
Adn all that soft touch rhetoric is pure bollocks. Soft touch or not we’d still whip your sorry old team any day.[/quote]
The fact that you left Terry, ENGLANDS CAPTAIN, out of your list of Chelsea’s English players means you are a prime example of an Arsenal fan’s football knowledge.
Congratulations.[/quote]
Let me get this right John Terry - England Skipper - Shagger of slappers whilst his missis is 6 months preggers, knocking his missis about, gambling problem, believed to have issues with darker skinned people, a man who mocked the Twin Towers when it happened…the list is endless as he’s a complete cunt of a man.
I think I speak for the majority of the population of the UK when I say he’s not fit for the shirt let alone the Capt armband.
And he’s a cheat and has the turning circle of the Battleship Bismark.
[quote comment=”58071″][quote comment=”58064″][quote/]The fact that you left Terry, ENGLANDS CAPTAIN, out of your list of Chelsea’s English players means you are a prime example of an Arsenal fan’s football knowledge.
Congratulations.[/quote]
He never listed Chelsea’s English players. Just the players (English or otherwise) that he saw as most influential. It might suprise you to know that Essien and Drogba aren’t English. Twat.[/quote]
Yeah and Terry certainly isn’t one of Chelseas most influential.
Cunt tosser.[/quote]
Tony is a Cunt
Really bitter ranting from a spuds fan who cant bear to see Totteringham’s day come in September.
Really, I had some respect for this site, but after reading this, ive lost that
I wanted to write a long retort, but as the article went on it became quite clear the guy who wrote this isn’t to knowledgeable on football matters.
FYI:
1. He signs foreigners because they are better. The only clubs who sign English players are the richest ones, and they snap them all up. I can’t think of to many desirable English players outside the top 4 teams… bar maybe Micah Richards?
2. The board is not tight fisted, Arsene is. He is backed with whatever cash he wants, Wenger just chooses not to spend it. See next months accounts for confirmation.
3. Arsenals under 17’s have the the second highest amount of English players behind Middlesbrough’s. Our academy is finally starting to work for English kids.
4. Senderos was part of the back 4 that kept the record number of clean sheets in the champions league, has played in the world cup and the champions league… no comparison to Dawson. Lennon is overrated and unproductive as is Bentley.
What a crap article.
You stupid fucking prick
‘I mean have you ever met one with charisma?’
You need to shut your fucking mouth you stupid editor.
Arsene Wenger knows what he’s talking about you doffy cunt.
Who do you fucking support??
Millwall??
Pedro: short and sweet and spot on.
As the build up to this season has proven, along with this totally bitter article, Spurs fans are ALL TALK!!!!!
You spend a bit of money and all of a sudden you’re breaking into the top four and are much better than us. Where has that left you?????????
You WISH you could swap Martin Jol for Arsene Wenger.
You will always be a second rate team!
What a horrificly poor and pathetic article. I don’t know if you realize that in grasping for straws, you actually underscore how brilliant Wenger is!
Oh and don’t you think its hilarious NO Spurs fans read your website!!!
You’re left to fight a loosing battle on your own!!
Whoever wrote this is the most ignorant fool ever. I’m beating the crap out of my self now for even wasting my time reading.
Fucking Cunt.
wow! What a timely article; well-researched and argued, it really ought to be held up as an example of jornalistic composition upholding the finest British traditions of excellence and fair play.
If you are Spuds fan then I hope you read that article in the Observer about your poxy club’s flair for neogtiating the players’ transfer market; the bit about 5hitting on Carrick was priceless.
Also, you might want to put some £ signs behind your comparisons, you myopic oaf; Senderos cost something like £200K from Servette, Davies will cost the club who wants him probably 50 times that. Shaun W-P cost the Chelski, what, £23 million? Glen Johnson, £7 million from West Ham? Good players maybe, but you can’t argue that SWP was worth more than Robben, can you? Look at Scott Parker, a bench-warmer for Chelsea for £12 million, probably did no harm to his England credentials in your little universe, eh?
Your article is rife with your prejudice; you try and fail to damn us with faint praise, but only succeed in venting your own frustrations with whichever poxy club you support. Us as ‘also ran’s’ [sic]? Utter cobblers - we could only be that if we hadn’t won anything, unlike your shitehawk team, whatever it is, which probably won a big bag of f***all and so wouldn’t qualify as an also ran.
Back up your prejudices and myopia with proper arguments next time and maybe you won’t expose yourself to so much derision. Idiot.
When people on here remark about the pre-season build up talk of Spurs targetting 4th spot I think you misunderstood that Spurs wern’t targetting 4th from top…they were targetting 4th from bottom. Something that is probably achievable for them.
“the crimes that club has got away [with] is monumental”
Could you expand upon the above point by listing these crimes?
Thanks,
Shav.
Is this muppet going to defend his article, or just continue having it ripped to shreds?
Hate the article, but loving all the gooners line up and throw stones at this jew, sorry i mean spurs fan! Come on the Gunners!!
Bollocks
Wow! What a timely article; well-researched and argued, it really ought to be held up as an example of jornalistic composition upholding the finest British traditions of excellence and fair play.
If you are Spuds fan then I hope you read that article in the Observer about your poxy club’s flair for neogtiating the players’ transfer market; the bit about 5hitting on Carrick was priceless.
Also, you might want to put some £ signs behind your comparisons, you myopic oaf; Senderos cost something like £200K from Servette, Davies will cost the club who wants him probably 50 times that. Shaun W-P cost the Chelski, what, £23 million? Glen Johnson, £7 million from West Ham? Good players maybe, but you can’t argue that SWP was worth more than Robben, can you? Look at Scott Parker, a bench-warmer for Chelsea for £12 million, probably did no harm to his England credentials in your little universe, eh?
Your article is rife with your prejudice; you try and fail to damn us with faint praise, but only succeed in venting your own frustrations with whichever poxy club you support. Us as ‘also ran’s’ [sic]? Utter cobblers - we could only be that if we hadn’t won anything, unlike your shitehawk team, whatever it is, which probably won a big bag of f***all and so wouldn’t qualify as an also ran.
Back up your prejudices and myopia with proper arguments next time and maybe you won’t expose yourself to so much derision. Idiot.
Dude get it right,
if some english players had the right attidtude (i.e pennant) or a little patience (ie Bentley) maybe we would have had a couple more english players in our starting 11.
Arsenal produce the english talent, but there is a fine line between being good enought for the premiership and being european class. Alot of players lack that but are still allowed to move on (ie J Thomas, Stokes, Volz, Upson, Aliadiere) other just have world class players infront of them and its not fair to keep them (ie Sidwell).
as for buying english talent, sorry its just over rated and hence over priced. £30m rooney £33m Rio £23m SWP £16m Bent £18m Hargreaves and now people asking for £10m+ for the likes of Davis of W Brom. you find equal or better players for significantly less from abroad. How much would Diaby Cesc RvP and denilson cost if they were english?
Its worth having a good scouting system, dont be a hater as ur team is missing out.
[quote comment=”58090″]When people on here remark about the pre-season build up talk of Spurs targetting 4th spot I think you misunderstood that Spurs wern’t targetting 4th from top…they were targetting 4th from bottom. Something that is probably achievable for them.[/quote]
hahahahah fucking great man…… LMAO
Arsenal has some soft players, but so does every team. You want to talk about Hleb and Rosicky and Fabregas. Lets talk about Robben, Joe Cole, Heinze, and the worst of all Ronaldo. Would you call Toure soft? I’ll take a 19 year old Fabregas over any midfielder in the Prem. He still has so much upside. Lampard and Gerrard are terrific players, but have peaked. Cesc will only get better, and only make the people around him better and better every year. Wenger complains about Bolton and Blackburn because at times they dont play the ball, they just try to take out players, and in the past it has worked as far as taking Arsenal out of their game, but don’t try to knock Arsenal for trying to play with class. You talk about other people coming up with weak attacks on Arsenal, but yours is pretty weak as well.
Mr. C is short for Mr. cunt
Afternoon Tosser
I am an actual journalist, with writing skills and everything. You however, are just a cunt.
I was going to write more, but my brothers have really said it all for me. I mean, what football have you been watching for 20 years? Mind you, you are probably only 10 or 11 years old.
Just a few things if you don’t mind cunt-chops…
-When have Spurs won the Premier League, or the last time they won the league/cup?
-When have Spurs finished above 4th?
-When have Spurs been in the Champions League?
-When was the last time Spurs weren’t utter envious cunts?
-When was the last time a gooner pissed in your lasagne? (btw….hahahahhahahahaha)
Answers on a postcard.
Massive CUNT!
[quote comment=”58109″]Afternoon Tosser
I am an actual journalist, with writing skills and everything. You however, are just a cunt.
I was going to write more, but my brothers have really said it all for me. I mean, what football have you been watching for 20 years? Mind you, you are probably only 10 or 11 years old.
Just a few things if you don’t mind cunt-chops…
-When have Spurs won the Premier League, or the last time they won the league/cup?
-When have Spurs finished above 4th?
-When have Spurs been in the Champions League?
-When was the last time Spurs weren’t utter envious cunts?
-When was the last time a gooner pissed in your lasagne? (btw….hahahahhahahahaha)
Answers on a postcard.[/quote]
For a journalist, your grammar is utter shit.
Actually for anyone, your grammar is shit.
Stop embarassing yourself with lines like “With writing skills and everything”. You should off yourself.
Ooh… very bitter.
I suspect Mark was a poor speller and found coherent arguments beyond his capabilities. Probably received high marks in French though.
The big problem with your populist_English_rant’s that style of footie has made us losers on the international stage. Wenger likes players with technique - compare Huddlestone to Cesc, Jenas to Diaby then objectively make a comment - till then wash your wee of your spudic_pjs
What a waste of time. I wish I could meet you to laugh at you
[quote comment=”58095″]Is this muppet going to defend his article, or just continue having it ripped to shreds?[/quote]
Quite.
I noticed that comment - and then the hyperlink to Mr.C at the top of the article and followed it, and found this - I have to share it with y’all…
quote: - “GameTribe provided CaughtOffside with an exclusive preview of their upcoming online footy game, and Mr. C was lucky enough to give it a whirl. Exclusive screenshots after the jump.
There comes a time in your life when you have to accept that your dreams of becoming a professional footballer are over. The waist got bigger, cheeks become chubbier and your once great talent is now confined to the back drop of Sunday Leagues and 5 aside pitches across the land.
For all the blood, sweat and occasional leg breaks, I wouldn’t have changed my Sunday League footy for anything but for all my glorious goals and mazy dribbles over the years, I feel I have finally stumbled across something that may have me hanging up my boots once and for all; an MMO game that is highly addictive and ready to take the online game market by storm.
“Kicks†is the latest product to come off the Game Tribe production line. Developed by Entermate, it’s a fast flowing 5 a side MMO game which is FREE to play and will enable people of all ages to play in the comfort of their own PC.” - end quote.
Oh Mr C thank you. That is just the funniest thing I have seen in a long, long time. At least since Lasagnegate. You are such an utter, total, complete - ah I can’t say it. Have fun playing online 5 a side - it’ll help your understanding of the game no end.
Bejesus H Christ…..
and yeah - when are you going to defend your utter pile of drivel ?….
You are an enormous cunt.
“There was a day when Arsenal appreciated the kind of hard work and graft that Blackburn, Bolton and others have shown instead of whinging about how mean they are.”
Didn’t Blackburn and Bolton just get fined for disciplinary problems? That particular brand of “hard-work” has no place in football.
Hey Megan is a Tool
Obviously writing a tongue-in-cheek sentence is way over you head. Maybe if you removed your tiny, tiny penis from Mr C’s mouth for a minute, you might’ve picked up on it…..having said that, I doubt it.
And did you mean, “Actually, for anyone, your grammar is shit?”
Nice try though fuckwit.
What a ludicrous article written by a whinging sore losing blowhard. Three Arsenal players are right now playing in the England team at the U17 world cup and the team is doing very well. Arsenal player and Englishman Henry Lansbury was the man of the match in England’s victory over Brazil at that tournament. Of course you wouldn’t know that since the British media doesn’t give a damn about covering the tournament.
The hypocrisy against Arsenal is unbelievable. Not too long ago we were once known as the team with most red cards and there was much righteous indignation up and down the land. Lots of sanctimonious moral outrage that goes on to this day.
Then Arsenal changed — we are now known as “too nice,” a “soft touch.” Arsenal commit the least fouls and are the most fouled against. We were given two fair play awards in recent years. Do we get praise from other fans, pundits, MOTD? No — we get ridiculed for being soft touches, easy to kick off the park.
Yet when a Northern English team run by thug like Mark Hughes who tells his team to go out and brutalize Arsenal behaves even worse than we ever did — suddenly all that moral outrage flies out the window and instead people like you and BBC pundits laugh at this thuggery.
But hey, it’s ok when truly “authentic” English clubs act like thugs against a “foreign” club like Arsenal.
Blackburn have an average of 20 fouls per game. They were fined a large sum last season for their lack of discipline and they were recently fined another large fine again for not improving their record. They have the most yellow and red cards in the PL. Their discipline record is the worst in the PL and yet I hear no great roar of moral outrage against them. It is incredibly early in the season and they already have something like 10-15 yellow cards and at least 1 red.
The game against Blackburn wasn’t a game, it was an atrocity. Pedersen DELIBERATELY stamped on Cesc’s head with his studs (while he was already lying down on the ground, stricken). There was no booking for this. That idiot Hughes went on about RVP’s tackle, failing to acknowledge that RVP merely had had enuf of being the target of these no-talent thugs and their deliberate violence that he finally retaliated.
Blackburn’s tactics were disgraceful — they’re worse than anything Bolton or Everton or any other “tough, physical” side do. Blackburn players continuously looked to see if the ref was looking, then REPEATEDLY, DELIBERATELY and with obvious glee went over to an already stricken Arsenal player–already on the ground–and kicked them or stamped on them. I suppose THAT is a great example of “English manhood.” Those same players then engaged in repeated simulation, diving and constant badgering of the referee.
Blackburn are a disgrace, they’re the PL’s #1 thugs. They do indeed have a “desire for violence.” Wenger is entirely correct.
Think about it though, can you name two English players who went on to become Club idols in recent times? Chelsea, Manu and Liverpool can all name at least two in the last five years.
Arsenal’s youth policy might get some doolally football commentators all giddy but how many actually came through without being bought?
why are guys wasting time on this piece of sh*t !!!!
To susggest that the rugby style tackling (designed to maim and intimidate) applied by bolton and blackburn to get points fom us translates to hard english grafting had me rolling on the floor with laughter … In actual fact, I get embarassed for the english game that english referees allow those things to go on, because it does seem as if the referees are in collusion … probably as a way of punishing arsenal for not having many english players … absolutely disgraceful .. now, check out the hard grafting bolton and blackburn in the mighty uefa competitions they have been lucky to get involved in, and part time european teams are wiping the floor with them … of course with no colluding referees in sight, they can turn to kicking the opponent and are forced to show some skill .. something which is alien to them …
The guy who wrote this article is an absolute idiot, and its not surprising he has failed to sign his name …
If you guys remember our past few games against Blackburn, Giberto was kicked by a moron and while Giberto reacted by kicking back, he was sent off. Van Persie was elbowed on his lips because he scored against Blackburn….
Blackburn are the most dirty of all team.
Dear spurs fan, Get it right - Hleb can only be compared to Zidane and not that ballkicker Lennon. You’ll agree with me anyone whether male or female can kick a ball and so, many of what you take to be ‘English players’ in football terms, are actually English ballkickers. That’s why it’ll take England 200yrs or so to see another world cup glory
You gooners make me laugh!! You must be so so proud of what arsenal has become.Know matter how much you lot have won, to field a total foreign team (a fact!!!!!!) is a disgrace, so stick it up your arses you load of mugs,MUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!
A PROUD SPURS FAN !!!
SCARFACE - Arsenal have two English first teamer players — and you’re a sore losing jealous idiot
we hate arsenal and we hate arsenal
this mr c should have his computer confescated the amount he abuses it with utter shit. his articles only start discussing on how much of a wanker he is and how spurs fans over rate there wanna be “giant” team. did any1 readhis article were he slated everton not realising we are bigger than them.
Thank you for your colourful responses and you will see if you read the article that I actually praise the man.
Its a shame you fail to read through articles more clearly.
Im pleased to see that no one has come on to defend the charachter assasination I made of the typical gooner…I guess I had you down to a tee.
I have little jealousy for Arsenal…you could win 10 titles in a row and you will still fail to get the adulation from the media and be liked around the country, some people dont have short memories…dont worry guys its a Class thing I guess; at least you have your 60,000 middle aged geeks to keep you company at the Emirates.
[quote comment=”58156″]this mr c should have his computer confescated the amount he abuses it with utter shit. his articles only start discussing on how much of a wanker he is and how spurs fans over rate there wanna be “giant” team. did any1 readhis article were he slated everton not realising we are bigger than them.[/quote]
UMMMMMMM
Everton bigger than Tottenham…run along!
Maybe Everton fans should wake up to the fact that it was losing to Everton that made Martin Jol nearly lose his job…the sheer embarrasment clearly didnt just lie with supporters, it clearly had a affect on the board.
8 trophies you have won since the 1930s…I bow to your amazing success - maybe when you reach double figures you can come on here and try and compete with the Spurs fans here.
Congrats on Yakubu…after having to put up with the likes of Beattie and now Andrew Johnson it must be nice to finally have a striker with an ounce of ability? Hope he can settle in your rather skillfully challenged side.
Good article here, only stating what you see fit and then you come under a crap load of abuse, some people really can’t take a constructed argument on here, instead of trying to prove your opinion wrong they come and give all this “spurs are crap, you’re this and that” Yet the best bit is being called a saddo then this being write “TWO POINTS YOU’VE ONLY GOT TWO POINTS” a statement quite sad in itself. No wonder the BBC killed 606 with people like this around.
This thread is first-rate entertainment - had me in stitches and no mistake. All the way from “journalists” with questionable writing skills to zippy one-line retorts such as “you are en enormous cunt”. Classic.
[quote comment=”58152″]SCARFACE - Arsenal have two English first teamer players — and you’re a sore losing jealous idiot[/quote]
Go steady there scarface! 2 not bad eh?out of a squad of 20 or 30 is it!! Im sure there are teams actualy based in different countries that have more British players than arsenal.
[quote comment=”58164″][quote comment=”58156″]this mr c should have his computer confescated the amount he abuses it with utter shit. his articles only start discussing on how much of a wanker he is and how spurs fans over rate there wanna be “giant” team. did any1 readhis article were he slated everton not realising we are bigger than them.[/quote]
UMMMMMMM
Everton bigger than Tottenham…run along!
Maybe Everton fans should wake up to the fact that it was losing to Everton that made Martin Jol nearly lose his job…the sheer embarrasment clearly didnt just lie with supporters, it clearly had a affect on the board.
8 trophies you have won since the 1930s…I bow to your amazing success - maybe when you reach double figures you can come on here and try and compete with the Spurs fans here.
Congrats on Yakubu…after having to put up with the likes of Beattie and now Andrew Johnson it must be nice to finally have a striker with an ounce of ability? Hope he can settle in your rather skillfully challenged side.[/quote]
if you read the comments in your fallen giants article your see how much and why everton are better than your “giant” spuds
ps. in cockney “you fucking tobey”
league winners
everton
1890-91, 1914-15, 1927-28, 1931-32, 1938-39, 1962-63, 1969-70, 1984-85, 1986-87.
spuds
1950-1951, 1960-1961
no comparison
fucking hell we take greif off kopites beacause theve won more than us, gooners must`nt even bother commenting on yous. your honours are so poor korea peace cup WTF is that.
“Thank you for your colourful responses and you will see if you read the article that I actually praise the man.”
No, you offer some conciliatory praise as a fals pretense for laying into the man, it was a poor attempt at disguising your utter contempt/jealousy for all that he has achieved. It’s a cheap trick to turn around in the comments section and say ‘oh but I praised him’
“Im pleased to see that no one has come on to defend the charachter assasination I made of the typical gooner…I guess I had you down to a tee.”
A number of people did mention it, perhaps you should read your comments more carefully. Although I’d say that most simply ignored your petty, juvenile stereotyping.
“I have little jealousy for Arsenal…you could win 10 titles in a row and you will still fail to get the adulation from the media and be liked around the country, some people dont have short memories…”
Yeah, it’s a pretty natural habit to hate successful teams, especially if they threaten any success your own team may have, but I certainly know that the Invincibles, our last title winning side, are one of the most highly praised football teams - in a number of circles - certainly in the modern era, and rightfully so, no matter many times Spurs fans write in the comments of blogs ‘OMG PIRES IS A FUKAN DIRTY FRENCH DIVERRRR!!!1!11!’ over and over and over again.
You may say you have ‘little jealousy’ of London’s greatest football club but I can quite clearly imagine the lone tear rolling down your cheek as you desperately struggle to hammer down the keys to type out the words with a heavy heart.
Mr.C - love the fact that your only response is to those who fit your Cracker-esque profiling. Unfortuantely you fail to spot those criticising you with a proper response but it’s unsurprising such a ridiculous article has prompted so much disdain. There are also, though, many considered, intelligent responses to what amounts to nothing but a blinkered rant borne out of jealousy of your neighbours success.
As for ‘ you will still fail to get the adulation from the media and be liked around the country, some people dont have short memories…dont worry guys its a Class thing I guess’…absolute quality! It was a year or two ago Spurs fans were pissing and moaning about how much the media were sucking our cocks instead of yours! At least be consistent!
Your grip on reality is tenuous to say the least - you seem absolutely incapable of recognising or interpreting any response that doesn’t suit you. You absolute fucking dick.
Thanks Lee damn right!! Wow Marcus WOW f
[quote comment=”58354″]league winners
everton
1890-91, 1914-15, 1927-28, 1931-32, 1938-39, 1962-63, 1969-70, 1984-85, 1986-87.
spuds
1950-1951, 1960-1961
no comparison
fucking hell we take greif off kopites beacause theve won more than us, gooners must`nt even bother commenting on yous. your honours are so poor korea peace cup WTF is that.[/quote]
I believe i was responding to post war years when the penalty area wasnt just a semi circle…but cling on to what you can.
Please dont embarrass yourself anymore P…I will look forward to my trip to Anfield in a couple of weeks…Its nice to have a beer with Liverpool fans as they treat you with respect that so lacking from Everton fans…again it must be a class thing.
What made me laugh is that my article a couple of months ago still wrangles with Mike Parry as he mentioned it again on talksport the other day…a complete loser and completely delusional like most from Goodison Park…why dont you get out of that time warp your stuck in?
[quote comment=”58418″]Mr.C - love the fact that your only response is to those who fit your Cracker-esque profiling. Unfortuantely you fail to spot those criticising you with a proper response but it’s unsurprising such a ridiculous article has prompted so much disdain. There are also, though, many considered, intelligent responses to what amounts to nothing but a blinkered rant borne out of jealousy of your neighbours success.
As for ‘ you will still fail to get the adulation from the media and be liked around the country, some people dont have short memories…dont worry guys its a Class thing I guess’…absolute quality! It was a year or two ago Spurs fans were pissing and moaning about how much the media were sucking our cocks instead of yours! At least be consistent!
Your grip on reality is tenuous to say the least - you seem absolutely incapable of recognising or interpreting any response that doesn’t suit you. You absolute fucking dick.[/quote]
Touched a nerve have I?
Dont worry Rhyle…I know how tough it must be…I know your type - Mark got through it isnt it about time you did?
[quote comment=”58171″]Good article here, only stating what you see fit and then you come under a crap load of abuse, some people really can’t take a constructed argument on here, instead of trying to prove your opinion wrong they come and give all this “spurs are crap, you’re this and that” Yet the best bit is being called a saddo then this being write “TWO POINTS YOU’VE ONLY GOT TWO POINTS” a statement quite sad in itself. No wonder the BBC killed 606 with people like this around.[/quote]
Thank you Mich; couldnt agree more.
Most Arsenal fans have a complex…it stems from being social outcasts who fail to understand realities.
If they read my articles they would understand that I say it how it is. I criticise Tottenham all the time an yet they cant criticise their own club and fail to appreciate that they have become a soft touch.
How may titles and cups have they one since Viera left the club? Ummmmmmmmmmmm Yet Im talking shit.
Run alng little boys…im sure your mum loves you if no one else does.
[quote comment=”58475″][quote comment=”58354″]league winners
everton
1890-91, 1914-15, 1927-28, 1931-32, 1938-39, 1962-63, 1969-70, 1984-85, 1986-87.
spuds
1950-1951, 1960-1961
no comparison
fucking hell we take greif off kopites beacause theve won more than us, gooners must`nt even bother commenting on yous. your honours are so poor korea peace cup WTF is that.[/quote]
I believe i was responding to post war years when the penalty area wasnt just a semi circle…but cling on to what you can.
Please dont embarrass yourself anymore P…I will look forward to my trip to Anfield in a couple of weeks…Its nice to have a beer with Liverpool fans as they treat you with respect that so lacking from Everton fans…again it must be a class thing.
What made me laugh is that my article a couple of months ago still wrangles with Mike Parry as he mentioned it again on talksport the other day…a complete loser and completely delusional like most from Goodison Park…why dont you get out of that time warp your stuck in?[/quote]
Um, Mr C - I think you’ll find that Everton have won more titles post war than the spuds. So what, exactly, is your point?
And your article is not “criticism” of Arsenal, its a petty little snipe dressed up with faint praise, from the supporter of a club we’ve dominated for years.
Run along to the Lane and cry into your pint for now - remember to report as usual for a thorough drubbing at the Emirates w/e after this….
Mr C,
Are you done making a fool of yourself, your beloved Spurs & the worst crime of all….making A FOOL of the rest of Spurs supporters who are moderate & fair?
Your subject has already been scrutinised through & through in this article in Guardian. Please take some time to read it (if you can) instead of going on & on as though you’re the only expert.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/08/31/english_players_and_junk_food.html
Some interesting facts from some of the comments to that article…
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by dublininexile:
As a Leeds fan I have 1st hand experience of what an expensive British side can do.
Dom Matteo - 4.5mill
Rio Ferdinand - 18mill - sold for 29mill unbelievably
Robbie Fowler - 12mill(he says in his biography Houllier would have let him go for half that)
David Batty, 30 years old - 4.5mill
Robbie Keane(Not Irish but relevent to this topic) - 12mill
Seth Johnson - 7.5mill
Michael Duberry - 4.5mill
Danny Mills - 4.5mill
Darren Huckerby - 5.5mill
Michael Bridges - 5mill
When you run comparisons between the foreign players and the impact they had against the english players and divide the price the result leaves a lot to be desired and was perhaps O’Learys biggest flaw.
Radabe bought by Wilkinson for 250k, with Woodgate, Kelly and Harte from the youth team versus Ferdinand, Mills and Duberry for 27 million??
Dacourt for 7.5 million versus Seth Johnson at the same price?
Mark Viduka and Hasslebaink for a combined 8million versus Bridges and Fowler for a combined 18million?
Those figues seem unbelievable, they are unbelievable. If say we’d spend 5million on Riise instead of nearly 8million on Johnson who would have provided better value for money.
How many foreign internationals could we have bought for the 18 million we spent on Ferdinand?
A sensible manager could have brought greater success to Leeds United having spent a quarter of what O’Leary spent. What would Guus Hiidink have done in similar circumstances?
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So Mr C, there’s 3 points I like to highlight…
1) If they are 20 top notch English footballers available, would the clubs they are plying their trade WANT TO LET THEM GO TO THEIR RIVALS? Those clubs would demand a ransom to let them go! Would the current Top 3 teams wanna sell these promising players to their rival? Not unless they know that such players would not be able to fit into their style/system.
2) Having a multinational team like Arsenal does not make England any poorer in standard. Neither is it being unfair to young English players. Why do I put it this way?
Playing against a multinational team ACTUALLY IMPROVE the quality of english football as teams will be competing regularly.
Arsenal got their players from around the globe which is definitely a much bigger pool of talents than England. By the way, only top clubs would have their talent scouts worldwide.
3) If England have such a big pool of talent, wouldn’t other La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A be clamouring for our young talents?
The fact that we haven’t won the World Cup since 1966 is a testament to that. Pardon me if I sounded like Spurs, who like to bring back the good days.
Take care Mr C, don’t be too outspoken or biased….you’ll live longer!
Thank you for your reserch Kixzon it was fascinating…if not bollox.
Can I point out that Leeds were a bunch of mugs and a badly run football club…isnt Robbie Keane still getting paid wages from Leeds.
Can I point out that Dawson, Lennon, Carrick, Robinson all cost us at the time less than £10m so what point are you trying to prove…Why didnt Wenger decide to go for Dawson instead of Senderos? Why because the man has a complex of English players and would have no intention of looking in the lower leagues. He pays over £6m for Hleb when he could have picked up Lennon for a million.
Using Leeds is a rather poor example so I will excuse your failings…good effort though…10 points for trying…Why dont you have another go?
Mr C, firstly I’m not trying to justify Arsenal’s dealing & wheeling. But in my efforts to straighten out your somewhat obscured & biased view about the whole situation, I found myself pushed to a corner & championing Arsenal’s cause instead. You do rather hell bent in making Arsenal the scapegoat of it all….as though the quality of the England football & future was Arsenal’s fault.
Wouldn’t Spurs be happy that they get Dawson & Lennon on the cheap? Their quality improved because of the training they get in WHL. True & you should be proud about that. On the other hand
Mr C, the way you’re going at it also implied that these local born talents get better training in Arsenal than in WHL? Otherwise, you’ll not be going on & on about Arsenal not buying English.
Secondly, only the top few teams are capable of having vast scouting network in MONITORING & bringing in foreign talents; which make a lot of sense since the pool of talents out there are far greater than in GB alone. These clubs seldom buy what they see on TV or video. Moreover, these global pool of talents are easily re-sold out for a profit if needed. This is part of running a business & being profitable. If Spurs are to sell Berbatov or Bent or Defoe or Keane outside Premiership, which one do you think will fetch a better price? Or if MU are to sell Ronaldo or Rooney, which one do you think is more sought after? So do foreign players fetch better price outside Premiership?
Quote GunnerPete…
“Apart from those losers / traitors, he purchased Viera for £3 mill…sold him 8 years later for £14. He purchased Anelka for £0.5mill and sold him for £23.5 mill, He bought Henry for £10 mill and 8 years later sold him for £16.5. He bought Petit for £1.5 mill and sold him (with a bad knee) for £8mill, and Overmars for £18mill.”
“Craig Bellamy £7.5m, Gareth Bale £5m, David Nugent £6m; you could get two Elanos for the price of one Darren Bent and have change left over for a Spanish Under-21 right-back”.
These clubs seldom buy what they see on video. In England they are just too much competition from all levels to sign the next Rooney, Terry or Carrick. Local scouts are in abundant compare to international scouts that those top clubs employ. Many clubs will be competing for that elusive talent. You just can’t blame Arsenal or MU or Chelsea or Liverpool if they didn’t sign Carrick, Aaron or Dawson (which you concentrated your biased views on Arsenal). You should be glad that at least your Spurs scouting network is working properly, at least locally. Judging from the way you look at things, I wonder what you’re going to say if all the current top 4clubs monopolise all the young talents of England…it’ll be Arsenal’s fault again.?.?
So Mr C, what’s your objective? To get the maximum number of hits on your blog??
Quote Imsava
August 31, 2007 10:13 AM
“Cambridge/gbr Sunderland have been the biggest victims of the Great British Swizz so far. Chopra (£5m), Richardson (£4.5m), Gordon (£9m), and now Jones (£6m) represent terrible value for money. Shouldn’t someone stop Roy Keane before he buys Jean Alain Boumsong for £10m? In comparison, Sam Allardyce has used his knowledge of the European game to acquire godd players for relatively low sums. Only Jose Enrique represents a gamble at £6.3m. So far, Allardyce has brought in two centre halves (one a full international, the other a winner of five French league championships) for a total of £2.7m. Geremi was picked up on a free and the only other signifcant purchase has been Joey Barton who arrived for a reasonable £5.8m. On top of that he got rid of Dyer and Parker for a combined £13m - gawd bless West Ham for whom Curbishley is spending like a sailor on shore leave in Bangkok.
I’m more surprised to see O’Neill get caught up in all of this with his frivolous purchase of Curtis Davies. A decent season in a team that ultimately got relegated does not add up to great premiership experience”.
Quote GoonerTH14
August 31, 2007 4:18 PM
“Well I really do think that English players are more expensive and I know that in my club, Arsenal, there is 1 unproven 18 year old player called Theo Walcott that cost Arsenal an initail fee of 5mil rising to 12mil, when he was 16. Cesc Fabregas, another player who arrived at the age of 16 cost Arsenal nothing and when he was 18 he sent Arsenal to the champions league final and captained Arsenal for 15-20 minutes when Toure was sent off in the carling cup final which is a lot for a then 19 year old. That is the reason I think English players are very expensive. Compare unproven Walcott’s 12mil to Eduardo (34 goals in 32 games) who cost around 6-7mil. Compare Walcott’s price to other Foreign talents Arrsenal bought.
Diaby –> 2mil
Sagna –> 7.45mil
Fabregas –> Free
Toure –> 150,000
Senderos –> 2.5mil
Eduardo –> 7.5mil
Van Persie –> 3mil
Rosicky –> 6.8mil
Hleb –> 10mil
Denilson –> 3.4mil
Song –> 1mil
Clichy –> 250,000
Adebayor –> 3mil
Bendtner –> Free
Eboue –> 1.5mil
Traore –> Free
So you could buy 6 Diabys, about 2 Sagnas,an unlimited supply of Fabregas’s, 80 Toures, about 6 Senderos’s, 2 Eduardos, 4 Van Persies, 2 Rosickys, 1 Hleb plus 2mil, 4 Denilsons, 12 Songs, 48 Cilchys, 4 Adebayors, unlimited Bendtners and Traores, and 12 Eboues for 1 English player. This was before there was chaos in the England national team. I wonder how much Walcott would have cost Wenger now, maybe 30-35mil pounds, so right now 1 Walcott is equal to 1 Shevchenco before we found out he was crap”.
peachmountain
August 31, 2007 2:27 AM
“Tokai/jpn How many good players are there in the world?
How many good players are there in UK?
I’m already getting a little confused but I’m sure that any body with recent economics could explain.
It is also the chicken and the egg thing
Why do some managers want to stick to Brits even though they are more expensive? Do they attract more fans? Given the case of Arsenal and the average fans demand of success at any price - I think not. So why buy em?
Dyer was a dire choice, ask any Hammer before he was signed would they have signed him for that price? Why was he signed?
I have a feeling that some managers are latents and they go after the player that fits in with their inner fantasies.
One premier manager a few years ago signed a lot of shortish baldies, their price shot up.
I remember Jimmy Sirrel well - a little attractive manager of Notts Coonty. What would he have made of it.
Just watched Celtic last night - lots of Celts in the team and a fine performance but I am old enought to remember the team of Glasgowegians who won in 1967. Did sexy Squirrel play pro footy?
If all the teams in England were foreign managed, foreign owned and foreign staffed would the English wake up and smell the nice cup of rosy?
GunnerPete
Clever article! Insult & lie about the team you hate and get non stop hits!
As a real Gunner, I know enough from my 58 years of support to remember that all teams have cycles of success, and only a few teams ie; Manure, Liverpool, & Arsenal have any long term pedigree to boast about.
Yes I can remember te 1951 & 1961 Spurs teams.Both were great, but the double side were all purchased internationals. This was the first time in British club history that any club had actually bought success, sadly for Spurs fans it didnt last very long.
I cannot remember the last time Spurs have won anything but it must be galling for their fans to watch Arsenal & Chelsea win trophy after trophy.
As for Arsene (who is God) buying non UK born players, I think I may have a clue why!
Look who he bought before anyone else …Upson, and he was groomed until he broke his leg. From that day on he wined & winged that he could not expect a place in the side because of the fab five. He winged so much that when Brum asked for him on loan, AW said yes. Since then he has gone down & down in value & position.
Pennant the same. Then after signing a turncoat from Spurs, he dicided to lie to the management and insisted that he was going abroad, so as a token of goodwill AW gave him a free….he turned up at Portsmouth ???? Well done harry another dodgy deal!
Oh yes and then there was Mr Cole…totally made by AW, he gets into the England squad, he is paid a small fortune, but after arranging an ilegal meet with Murihnjo, he declares he was fiddled out of an extra £5K per week ??? Yet another lie apparently.
Finally Bentley…a home grown star of the future, by the time he was 17 he had played in quite a few cup matches. He also had a bad injury, and also winged that he was sure that he would never be given a chance to dislodge Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Freddy, Van Percie??? So he demanded a move to the glam team of the north Blackburn?
Apart from those losers / traitors, he purchased Viera for £3 mill…sold him 8 years later for £14. He purchased Anelka for £0.5mill and sold him for £23.5 mill, He bought Henry for £10 mill and 8 years later sold him for £16.5. He bought Petit for £1.5 mill and sold him (with a bad knee) for £8mill, and Overmars for £18mill.
Now Spurs supporters may think that is all bad business, but it shows me that they never learn either to stop living in the 1961 Glory days, or that it is not clever for any club to spend on average £30 mil, per year and never win a thing!”.
By the way Mr C, I’ll appreciate if you could justify your arguments in the future with some facts & some crunching numbers instead.
It’s not Arsenal’s fault that Spurs didn’t win anything for the last 30-40years, neither is it Arsenal’s fault that you guys are not doing too well this season after spending 30million quids.
Blame it on other clubs for not letting Spurs win, ok?
Take care Mr C & be good….