Michael Carrick Is Too Soft For Manchester United Or England
by CaughtOffside Team on September 10th, 2007
Daniel ponders the role of Michael Carrick for club and country.
During the BBC’s preview of the England v Israel game the only dissenting opinion amid a swirl of upbeat confidence was that Manchester United’s Michael Carrick should have been playing. With Chelsea midfielder Lampard and Hargreaves both out injured, McClaren could have been expected to pick Carrick based on previous selections. It seems that Carrick is now the fifth choice player for the England central midfield and if both Hargreaves and Scholes are available for Man U, he may become just a squad player at Man U too. A harsh fate? No, it is an overdue downward reassessment of a talented player who has a fundamental weakness as a central midfielder.
Carrick has excellent passing ability: he can accurately pass short or long with both feet, a rare skill among English footballers. He also picks up a fair degree of possession from opponents in front of his defence.
These abilities are often overestimated though. Carrick is capable of playing accurate long passes and defence splitting through balls, but in practice too much of his passing is sideways and backwards. This being the case, too much attention should not be given to his pass completion percentage. Knowing when to play the simple pass and when to be more ambitious is a key decision that central midfielders must make. Some, like Gerrard, go for the big pass too often; Carrick errs the other way. Also, in his ‘quarterback’ role in front of the defence, Carrick does not make himself available enough to receive the ball from team-mates. To play the role effectively you need to be getting into space and demanding the ball and dictating play like Pirlo does for AC Milan and Italy. But Carrick is too static and when centre backs are looking to pass the ball onto the midfield, he can often be seen stuck in a direct line behind an opponent. Consequently, in Man U games you see Scholes drop deep to get possession off the centre backs more often than should be necessary and Gerrard and Lampard do the same in England matches, which leaves a big space between central midfield and the forward line. Add this to the facts that Carrick does not get into advanced positions, score or run with the ball that much, and his offensive threat is clearly limited.
His defensive ability is also exaggerated. Statistically, he gets a lot of interceptions, but as Man U’s opponents are frequently playing a deep, defensive game with only one or two players in advanced positions, it is inevitable that the player in front of Vidic and Ferdinand will pick up a lot of possession from balls that are not so much passes as clearances. Carrick is not a ball winning holding player like Makelele, constantly putting in successful tackles.
The limitations mentioned above are not due to a lack of physical skills; it is Carrick’s temperament that appears to be holding him back. Carrick is too passive: he is not striving to get the ball from team-mates and impose his passing game, he is not pressuring opponents enough, not shooting enough, not running with the ball enough. In summary, Carrick is not doing enough. To not be involved in the game as a central midfielder is a cardinal sin, but Carrick regularly goes missing, particularly when his team aren’t on top.
Lack of involvement and aggression is not something Carrick’s main rival for club and country, Owen Hargreaves, could ever be accused of. Hargreaves is constantly on the move: trying to win the ball, find some space, and inject tempo into a move with some quick and direct running. When his team are down and the opposition are on top, he tries even harder. His determined performance in adversity against Portugal in the World Cup was hailed as one of the best ever by an England player in an international tournament. Hargreaves’s energetic performances this season in a stuttering Man U side have impressed. Last season, when Man U played exceptionally well, Carrick was the only player I heard criticised by fans of the team for not contributing enough.
Hargreaves should be picked ahead of Carrick for club and country because he has the right personality for central midfield. Carrick does not and personality is a very hard thing to change.



daf - September 10th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
Agree! When Carrick went to United it was widely viewed (ok, widely as in most of my friends) that it was a replacement for the fact that SAF couldn’t get Hargreaves that year. The problem is, what to do with a 18.6 million pound silver medal?
FIFE FTF - September 10th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
I disagree, partially.
I thought it was a bit surprising he did not play on Saturday.
It was an ideal opportunity to blood a partnership of Carrick and Gerrard, a deep-lying, passing/intercepting player, who has the ability to open up the game alongside an attacking, (ideally) forward-running midfielder who can pass, tackle and shoot.
The combination of the two would have worked with a little work.
Barry was unassuming and excellent in his place, playing calm passes, slowing and speeding the tempo as necessary and chipping in with two assists. I can’t help but feel McTit will not play him there too often - reverting to Hargreaves asap, or even Spank Limpard. The only problem was that Barry got too far forward sometimes, leaving Gerrard to be sucked deeper, due to his greater understanding of space, attack and defence.
Shame, but still, a lot of optimism in the team if McBone has the nuts to actually play high-performing players rather than high-name players.
I would also have liked to see Ashley Young come on instead of Bentley. A bit of pace down the left flank and get him involved in a very prosaic international match would open up the possibility of two flying wingers in SWP & Young. It won’t be long though. Lampard and Beckham’s days are numbered.
Bill Vector - September 10th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
“Carrick is capable of playing accurate long passes and defence splitting through balls, but in practice too much of his passing is sideways and backwards. This being the case, too much attention should not be given to his pass completion percentage. Knowing when to play the simple pass and when to be more ambitious is a key decision that central midfielders must make. Some, like Gerrard, go for the big pass too often”
the Carrick description applies equally to Lampard. Those 2 together for England would be atrocious.
Gerrard sometimes gets the big pass wrong, but how you can say he goes for it too often? that’s the negative thinking which makes England so dull and underachieving. Gerrard tried to play defence-beating passes regularly throughout the first-half, many found Owen or Heskey and ultimately fucked Israel’s game plan.
This is the major difference between Gerrard and Lampard. When Frank tries a defence-splitting pass, he nearly always gets it wrong - but his pass completion will always remain high as he tends to pass short and sideways - the stats can’t lie but they can be badly interpreted. As for Carrick, he doesn’t shoot as hard or as often as Frank, and is probably a less effective tackler. Carrick is a luxury player in the Hoddle mould and you need a good team around a player like that to get much out of them. Sure he’ll fire the odd long shot into the top corner to keep his reputation good but he’ll go missing for long periods. I wouldn’t even want him playing with me n our kid in the back garden.
Mich - September 10th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Disagree, he does pass forward, he’s started scoring and he does make challenges, i’d have Carrick ahead of Barry and most other England midfielders anytime, also Carrick is available for the pass, you must just be the spurs writer bitter that Carrick left your club, it’s the only reason I see why you’ve wrote this.
Carrick was loved by United fans last season, well the ones who watched him, he’s still in the United team and all top football pundits and managers can’t all be wrong in calling him a class footballer.
Bill Vector - September 10th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
ok mich if you say so
GSE(Garston speke elite) - September 10th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
true true true
MaxPower - September 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
That’s a good assessment of carrick but like someone else said, many of this can be applied to frank. Frank not only goes missing, but his overall game is lacking except in the spot kick department.
It’s not hard to score many goals when your superior teammates are doing all the work to set you up for them. Now that drogba’s taking free kicks, lampard is looking even more obsolete.
Carrick doesn’t even have the luxury of being a specialist. I see him going back to spurs by next season.
nobobomo - September 10th, 2007 at 7:38 pm
That’s a very accurate interpretation of what Carrick does and I 100% agree. Carrick has alot of abilities but none of them are ball winning or in any way related to toughness. I’d be perfectly comfortable with him playing fr United and England as long as he was paired with a far more dynamic player (see: Hargreaves, Gerrard, not Frank) because whatever team he is playing for will get burned when he puts in shit tackle in the center circle. United already has a ton of midfielders that can pass and run but don’t tackle, and most of them are younger and/or more despirate to play then Michael Carrick.
Also, Gareth Barry is better for England then Lamps and Carrick.
jobo - September 10th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
Carrick and Hargreaves are both not good enough for England.
When United signed Carrick - their idea was to have the englishman in the middle - a la Gerrard and Lampard - but he is nowhere near as good.
Even though Frank Lampard himself is overrated - he’s a much better player than Carrick - who is carried by Scholes.
Gareth Barry on the other hand is a player i’d compare to Gerrard as he is a man who takes their team and drives them forward. Barry plays consistently well, often digging deep to help the Villa.
These qualities cannot be said of Carrick who shouldn’t be in the Man Utd starting 11.
The middle two for England should be Barry in a defensive role but still opting to press forward when necessary and then of course Gerrard playing just behind the froint two.
Hargreaves and Lampard on the bench - whilst Carrick should remain in the wilderness.
MaxPower - September 11th, 2007 at 3:06 am
I like how gerrard says he has a good partner in Barry.
Why don’t we go back to the old days when we had flat midfield partnerships? Why bother investing in midfield disciplines (defensive vs offensive) when you can have players like gerrard and roy keane who were multitasking even when they were in shackles.
As for the “englishman in the middle” argument…alonso does his job well for the most part except he’s far more potent with his passes than carrick and scores better goals. Then you look at what other players rafa has at his disposal and you can understand why liverpool don’t get intimidated in midfield.
All I gotta say is good luck to Alex Ferguson when scholes retires along with giggs. Carrick will still be invisible and hargreaves will suffer on the long run.
Drewby - September 11th, 2007 at 5:33 am
carrick only had flashes last year of showing what he is capable of, he has the ability to play further up the field, as shown in the famous night against Roma when he opened the flood gates by making a foward run followed by a brilliant shot. but its not enough. to often it looks like he has been watching videos of Pirlo and trying to imitate him when thats not what we need. i had hopes for a future carrick/hargreaves partnership, and i realize it was only two games, but this season that partnership against city and first half against spurs was AWFUL, absolutly DISGUSTING and both played like pussies afraid to get foward with some nuts, and as someone in a pre season prediction humerously put it, attempted to beat each other in a competition to see who can hit more sideways or backwards passes.
dont laugh, but i am now leaning towards wanting to see a partnership of Fletcher, thats right Darren Fletcher bad ass, and Hargreaves. Fletch plays a more attacking CM role for scotland and he does very well there. he runs himself to death for the team and i would say has just as good a passing ability as carrick, but he has the nut sack to try and play a decisive pass. SAF wont ever let it happen because carrick cost so damn much but i would love to see that.
UnitedRay - September 11th, 2007 at 7:32 am
Carrick is an average player. Some say he was one of the reasons why United won last year’s title but I beg to differ. In fact, to hell with the critics who said that.
Carrick is definitely a luxury item.
Yes you’re hearing from an United fan and Yes, I watch every freaking match that United plays, even those stupid far east exhibition matches so I know what Carrick is capable of. He’s almost always playing the short passes to the defenders or to Scholesy.
He would need intelligent players around him to help make dummy runs so that he can find options for long defense splitting passes. However a really world class player should be able to dictate player by himself.
Willie Clynes - September 11th, 2007 at 8:35 am
I have to strongly disagree with this aticle. my reasons.
Carrick was the only real addition to Uniteds team last season , in fact he was a constant in the side all season. -> United win their 1st Premier league in 3 years.
The article maintains that passing accuracy should not be overestimated, I totally disagree with this. Football is a passing game, a lot of passes need to go backward and forward, these are called probing for position passes. In the year preceding last, one of United biggest failing was in midfield whereby they gave the ball away time after time. This stopped last season, and with the extra possession United picked off a lot more teams. Football is also a team sport you need the mix of different types of players. Carrick is still developing and is potentially a Glen Hoddle type of player if he works hard. Hoddle never reaally made a huge impact with England . Is this because England change thier style of play when playing internationals…(I think so and what have they won?) . In short I think there is more to come from Carrick , his main fault I agree is his lack of a natural competitive streak, this needs to be coached into him. The current United team is overendowed with pace, and they need someone to put their foot on the ball..Carrick & Scholes…will do that.
Hargreaves has never 100% impressed me to be honest. He is more competitive than Carrick but apart from his genuine spirit on the pitch, he is hardly a Roy Keane (who is? I suppose) . Scoles could never tackle but had a great head for the game. These 3 playing make up an excellent midfield and if they stay fit United look good for the Champions league. Any of the failings of United or England cannot be attributed in any way to Carrick. England need to find a way to accomadate Gerrard and Lampard, with both playing they are confused……Carrick does not present any of that type of confusion……anyway what do I know I’m only an old genius
redevil - September 11th, 2007 at 8:42 am
Read every1’s comments good opinions! but i personally think every1 (including me) will realize Carrick’s potential ability once Paul (genius) Scholes retires! Or i could be completely wrong and Darron Gibson (the next Gerrard) will outshine him!
p.s the comment that Hargreaves is not good enough for England is just Shait!
ajmeer - September 11th, 2007 at 8:46 am
jobo is a nonsence who do not know anything in football.
please check before talking
Bill Vector - September 11th, 2007 at 9:42 am
[quote comment=”61184″]dont laugh, but i am now leaning towards wanting to see a partnership of Fletcher, thats right Darren Fletcher bad ass, and Hargreaves. Fletch plays a more attacking CM role for scotland and he does very well there. he runs himself to death for the team and i would say has just as good a passing ability as carrick, but he has the nut sack to try and play a decisive pass. SAF wont ever let it happen because carrick cost so damn much but i would love to see that.[/quote]
To Drewby: Oh no! I agree with a manure fan! Fletcher gets some bad press - or ignored - but he puts a lot of effort in, and he’s improved loads in the last couple of years. Don’t forget Park - he was terrific until he got injured. Hopefully Demento will stick with Carrick, heh heh
Bill Vector - September 11th, 2007 at 9:45 am
And Willie Clynes: I’d love you to take over as manager at man u
Mourinho's Illegitimate Son - September 11th, 2007 at 10:20 am
Carrick is a class player, make no mistake about it. He may not be dynamic, but that isn’t what United need and even England, when you have already a dynamic midfielder around you like Hargreaves, Scholes and Gerrard are.
First of all let me correct some errors in the article. He always comes back and gets the ball from the defence. Sure, Scholes does it too but it has to be done or else teams will realise this and mark him off, leaving the defence with no option but to boot it. Secondly I believe his passing is the best in england, yes better than Scholes. The fact that he’s able to pass accurately with both feet, something that was determinant to United in winning the league; those exquisite passes down the wing for Ronaldo and Giggs.
You simply can’t have all players running around at 100mph, you still need someone able to put his foot on the ball and asses his options. Also for the supposed United fan that said against City they were crap, let me say that i’m no fan, but United completely passed city off the park so start to understand what football is mate, or are you part of the prawn sandwich brigate? I think so mate as all United fans and even players laud what Carrick gave to the team.
Regarding his attacking side, I think he’s great at it, look when he played without Scholes against Roma, massive. The problem is that he can’t get foward when he plays with Scholes and maybe Gerrard as it will create a big hole like when Gerrard and Lampard play together, and thats a sign of football intelligence.
His let down in my opinion is that he doesn’t shout or impose himself. He just needs more authority on the pitch but I believe he hasn’t got the character for it. Its not a downfall because not all players are the same but if he had it he would be an instant choice.
Willie Clynes - September 11th, 2007 at 11:04 am
Would Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, or indeed anyone in the top 6 have Fletcher as a 1st team player. I think you’ll find the answer is NO. So why then should the Champions entertain such a thought. End of argument I would say
WC
B V. If I was Man U manager, I’d send Fletcher on a free transfer to Liverpool in the hope that he gets a regular game.
Would yuou like that, seen as you rate him so highly…
Bill Vector - September 11th, 2007 at 11:16 am
[quote comment=”61226″]Would Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, or indeed anyone in the top 6 have Fletcher as a 1st team player. I think you’ll find the answer is NO. So why then should the Champions entertain such a thought.
End of argument I would say
WC
B V. If I was Man U manager, I’d send Fletcher on a free transfer to Liverpool in the hope that he gets a regular game.
Would yuou like that, seen as you rate him so highly… :-)[/quote]
hahaha nice one - but he wouldn’t get into our midfield
Bill Vector - September 11th, 2007 at 11:21 am
[quote comment=”61220″]The problem is that he can’t get foward when he plays with Scholes and maybe Gerrard as it will create a big hole like when Gerrard and Lampard play together, and thats a sign of football intelligence.[/quote]
what exactly is a sign of football intelligence… and what would you know about it? You sound like you know nothing
word - September 11th, 2007 at 11:34 am
carrick seems great technically and as mentioned his footballing intellengce is professionally sound (no genius tho), but he lacks competitive drive that players around him have in abundance. you may say that he is wisely filling the gaps behind scholes and gerrad ect but at the end of day he would have to be in a team full of average players (spurs!) before he would have the heart to pick up the reigns again. in teams like man u and england it seems its too late to change his natural game sufficiently.
imo fletcher is a quality allround player (best man u player in CL final imo) and i am always disappointed with anyone that complains when he starts, they seem to judge him on price and fame instead of his performance. likewise with park comingback and owen already ahead he looks set for a lot of rotation - not good for his progression.
Sol - September 11th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
English don’t produce players like Scholes, Carrick and Huddlestone these days. Which is why England don’t get far because they would rather play Hargeaves who can’t pass, Gerrard who’s best position is defensive midfielder cos he can’t pass, all he’s got is passion not any technical quality on thre ball, players like Gerrard and Hargreaves are better off the ball then they are on the ball. Carrick might not be worlld class but he’s a milion times better at passing, technical ability, vision and positional play, he doesn’t need to be on his ass trying to win balls as he’ll do it by staying on his feet and using good positional play. Gerrard’s priority as an attacking midfielder is to assist, i’ll let you in on a fact, in all qualifying games for Euro 2008 both Lampard and Hargreaves have only one assist, that in over 550 mins each. That is appaling. Go on the uefa website and find out for yourself. Its all good scoring goals but their main priority is to assist which they both can’t do cos they both not world class and never will be. Carrick and Scholes make a better team then Hargreaves ever will, I wouldn’t want Hargreaves in my team for free. He’s worth about one million. What Carrick offers you Hargreaves never will in a million years. Scholes and Carrick compliment each other. I’m a season ticket holder and i’ve watched Hargreaves play alongside Scholes and do you know what they do when they have the ball they ignore Hargrewes because he’ll only go and make either a backward pass or a sidepass, even then 90% chance of givig the ball away, he never makes himself available or ask for thell , he even gets ignored by defenders. His gameplay only comes into play when United don’t have the ball. What a piece of SHITE !!!
Sol - September 11th, 2007 at 2:25 pm
English don’t produce players like Scholes, Carrick and Huddlestone these days. Which is why England don’t get far because they would rather play Hargeaves who can’t pass, Gerrard who’s best position is defensive midfielder cos he can’t pass, all he’s got is passion not any technical quality on thre ball, players like Gerrard and Hargreaves are better off the ball then they are on the ball. Carrick might not be worlld class but he’s a milion times better at passing, technical ability, vision and positional play, he doesn’t need to be on his ass trying to win balls as he’ll do it by staying on his feet and using good positional play. Gerrard’s priority as an attacking midfielder is to assist, i’ll let you in on a fact, in all qualifying games for Euro 2008 both Lampard and Gerrard have only one assist, that in over 550 mins each. That is appaling. Go on the uefa website and find out for yourself. Its all good scoring goals but their main priority is to assist which they both can’t do cos they both not world class and never will be. Carrick and Scholes make a better team then Hargreaves ever will, I wouldn’t want Hargreaves in my team for free. He’s worth about one million. What Carrick offers you Hargreaves never will in a million years. Scholes and Carrick compliment each other. I’m a season ticket holder and i’ve watched Hargreaves play alongside Scholes and do you know what they do when they have the ball they ignore Hargrewes because he’ll only go and make either a backward pass or a sidepass, even then 90% chance of givig the ball away, he never makes himself available or ask for thell , he even gets ignored by defenders. His gameplay only comes into play when United don’t have the ball. What a piece of SHITE !!!
nobobomo - September 11th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
[quote comment=”61292″]English don’t produce players like Scholes, Carrick and Huddlestone these days. Which is why England don’t get far because they would rather play Hargeaves who can’t pass, Gerrard who’s best position is defensive midfielder cos he can’t pass, all he’s got is passion not any technical quality on thre ball, players like Gerrard and Hargreaves are better off the ball then they are on the ball. Carrick might not be worlld class but he’s a milion times better at passing, technical ability, vision and positional play, he doesn’t need to be on his ass trying to win balls as he’ll do it by staying on his feet and using good positional play. Gerrard’s priority as an attacking midfielder is to assist, i’ll let you in on a fact, in all qualifying games for Euro 2008 both Lampard and Hargreaves have only one assist, that in over 550 mins each. That is appaling. Go on the uefa website and find out for yourself. Its all good scoring goals but their main priority is to assist which they both can’t do cos they both not world class and never will be. Carrick and Scholes make a better team then Hargreaves ever will, I wouldn’t want Hargreaves in my team for free. He’s worth about one million. What Carrick offers you Hargreaves never will in a million years. Scholes and Carrick compliment each other. I’m a season ticket holder and i’ve watched Hargreaves play alongside Scholes and do you know what they do when they have the ball they ignore Hargrewes because he’ll only go and make either a backward pass or a sidepass, even then 90% chance of givig the ball away, he never makes himself available or ask for thell , he even gets ignored by defenders. His gameplay only comes into play when United don’t have the ball. What a piece of SHITE !!![/quote]
Of course his game only comes into play when United don’t have the ball, he’s a defensive midfielder. Since you’re a season ticket holder you might have noticed that when Hargreaves is on the field, United has possession a larger percent of the time (which in theory should result in chances, and therefore goals, but that’s not realy happening right now). The point is Hargreaves isn’t around to replace Carrick, but to play a more defensive role. They provide different things, it’s just that Hargreaves is better at what he does then Carrick is at what he does.
marzipan Mynci - September 11th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
my God Sol, you are seriously stupid.
SpanishHeat - September 11th, 2007 at 3:07 pm
This a pretty interesting debate, Carrick has massive ability but its hard to find for some reason, i mean most midfielders would generally be classed either as attacking or defensive, with Carrick he would happily sit somewhere inbetween Hargreaves and gerrard which is ok if you want to play 3 in midfield, a couple wide and just one up top, which while it works for Barcelona is cool but i dont see many clubs playing like that, personally i think its a waste, you dont need 3 midfielders, you need 2 really good ones and 2 strikers, so now the other question should be do we need a defensive midfielder and an attacking one..? because the way i see it is the a midfielder should be able to do both attacking and defending, Steve Gerrard does this perfectly and i think Gareth Barry is also well capable of this, i think Barry should be picked over Lampard who doesnt defend, and Hargreaves who doesnt attack (not with any quality).
hargreaves is worth a place in the squad, lampard aint, and Carrick i aint sure about.
Gareth Barry is McClown’s only moment of cleverness so far, why was Barry left out of the england squad for so long..? is it because there are so many fat lampard fans around who believe frank should play in Steve Gerrards rightful position..?
one last question to consider.. When will Gerrard be made captain.. i think Terry is good but Gerrard is like the ultimate Captain material.. Cmon McClown, sort that out..!!
Mourinho's Illegitimate Son - September 11th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
[quote comment=”61233″][quote comment=”61220″]The problem is that he can’t get foward when he plays with Scholes and maybe Gerrard as it will create a big hole like when Gerrard and Lampard play together, and thats a sign of football intelligence.[/quote]
what exactly is a sign of football intelligence… and what would you know about it? You sound like you know nothing[/quote]
what exactly it is my friend? Its being able to see whats happening around you, covering for your team mate and giving balance to the team, instead of following your instincts and go foward like both Gerrard and Lampard do for england. it sound like you don’t know nothing, mate.
S - September 12th, 2007 at 10:31 am
The only problem i have seen on Carrick is he is too slow. Seems like Carrick can never cope with the rhythm of Rooney-C.ronaldo-Scholes-Giggs in attack. Although his passing is accurate enough but just too slow.
Bill Vector - September 12th, 2007 at 11:10 am
[quote comment=”61451″][quote comment=”61233″][quote comment=”61220″]The problem is that he can’t get foward when he plays with Scholes and maybe Gerrard as it will create a big hole like when Gerrard and Lampard play together, and thats a sign of football intelligence.[/quote]
what exactly is a sign of football intelligence… and what would you know about it? You sound like you know nothing[/quote]
what exactly it is my friend? Its being able to see whats happening around you, covering for your team mate and giving balance to the team, instead of following your instincts and go foward like both Gerrard and Lampard do for england. it sound like you don’t know nothing, mate.[/quote]
oh sorry - my fault - it’s just that you can’t express yourself very well. you think carrick has that ability then? ok maybe - but you think Gerrard doesn’t have that game intelligence? Or do you think that Carrick has all Gerrard’s other qualities and just pips him with this game intelligence? Or are you just sticking up for lethargic Michael coz he’s Man U? Even though he’s a bit pedestrian, not exactly a motivator….
steve the red - September 12th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
You will all see tonight when barry is exposed for the middle rate player he is by Russia
marzipan Mynci - September 12th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
[quote comment=”61505″]You will all see tonight when barry is exposed for the middle rate player he is by Russia[/quote]
fuck off our site you russky bastardov
Mourinho's Illegitimate Son - September 12th, 2007 at 2:32 pm
[quote comment=”61501″][quote comment=”61451″][quote comment=”61233″][quote comment=”61220″]The problem is that he can’t get foward when he plays with Scholes and maybe Gerrard as it will create a big hole like when Gerrard and Lampard play together, and thats a sign of football intelligence.[/quote]
what exactly is a sign of football intelligence… and what would you know about it? You sound like you know nothing[/quote]
what exactly it is my friend? Its being able to see whats happening around you, covering for your team mate and giving balance to the team, instead of following your instincts and go foward like both Gerrard and Lampard do for england. it sound like you don’t know nothing, mate.[/quote]
oh sorry - my fault - it’s just that you can’t express yourself very well. you think carrick has that ability then? ok maybe - but you think Gerrard doesn’t have that game intelligence? Or do you think that Carrick has all Gerrard’s other qualities and just pips him with this game intelligence? Or are you just sticking up for lethargic Michael coz he’s Man U? Even though he’s a bit pedestrian, not exactly a motivator….[/quote]
No, lets say things as they are; Gerrard and Scholes are the best english midfielders period. Gerrard’s drive and Scholes’ runs are essential, and its no use holding them back with other duties. What I meant to say is that those around them need to adjust their games to suit them or be aware of what’s happening around them. I don’t think Lampard is capable of doing that, or he isn’t good enough at it while I think Carrick is good at assessing what’s around him and position himself accordingly, like Alonso does at Liverpool. And I’m no manure fan (as you can see from my alias) but I feel that he’s a great midfielder and really unappreciated.
Sean - June 16th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Michael Carrick is a good player. Its really irritating when people say someone is rubbish just because they don’t do step-overs and score from 30 yards every game, but the best players are the ones who never have to be rushed, and always have time on the ball. Michael Carrick is one of those players. One of the main problems with English football is that we for some reason feel that we need a player to dive in at every tackle and scream with passion, rather than play good football. Players like Michael Carrick play the simple passes which break up play and slow it down to allow players like Ronaldo to suddenly hit opponents with pace and skill, which is what is so exciting about Man Utd. The “fans” who make stupid comments like Michael Carrick is a rubbish player, are the ones who think buying a season ticket and then claim to be all knowing about football. Anyone who has ever played football at a decent level and doesn’t just watch Match of the Day every week as their source of knowledge would agree that the talents displayed by Michael Carrick are essential to a successful side. As for the England team, its a disgrace that Michael Carrick doesn’t even get in the England squad anymore, when Owen Hargreaves (a good player and worthy international, but cannot displace Carrick in the United first team) and Tom Huddlestone (a lesser Carrick) do get in. Its the same old story with England fans, that the player who dives in and shows how “passionate he is for his country” is believed to be a better player than a skillful and proffessional player, similar to the debate between John Terry and Rio Ferdinand, where Rio Ferdinand is obviously a much classier player, whereas John Terry is an untalented, slow, and dirty player.