Can Tottenham really go fourth and conquer?
by Stratty on August 5th, 2008Juande Ramos picked up the scorched reigns at Tottenham Hotspur last autumn and managed the team for fifteen Premier League games before the 2008 Carling Cup Final.
Not content with taking the foot off the pedal after their victorious final, the Tottenham squad turned off the engine and sent granny out to push the car by the middle of May. Spurs were more likely to begin building a new stadium than to rise a couple of places in the league - especially with next season’s UEFA Cup passport sat secure in the glove compartment.
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But those first 15 games should prove inspirational to our summer friend, the Lilywhite optimist. On the back of a horrendous display at St James’ Park, and subsequent defeat to a little-known Getafe outfit, Ramos inspired confidence in his downtrodden troops to achieve 28 points before reaching Wembley.
During this initial Premier League assault, Ramos took clinical steps to develop his side in the January transfer window, immediately improving a bewildered defence. Summer signings have stregthened the midfield, supporting Berbatov with team-mates who are star names in themselves. Even Berbatov’s expected departure, without replacement, would still leave space for a rejuvenated Bent, supported by Dos Santos filling Keane’s role. This partnership would create room for Jenas in midfield alongside Lennon, Bentley and Modric.
The average number of points for a fourth-placed team since the inception of the Premier League is 66. Ramos took over a stuttering outfit and gained twenty-eight points in fifteen matches - averaged over a season, that would be a points total of 71.
And if Spurs have in any way improved over the summer, and if more signings are to come, could the operatic choir of the Champions League anthem finally be heard in N17?
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DazzaTHFC - August 5th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Oh an article to fan flames!!
OK im a Spurs fan, no we cannot get 4th we will be lucky to avoid relegation to be honest, Andy Grey is right we are crap!
Now call me dilusional
DazzaTHFC - August 5th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
I think i speak for all Spurs fan when i say we are bored of these articles now!! lets just wait and see how well we do, lets kick a ball 1st
Buckingham Spur - August 5th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
No way can we achieve fourth place,not possible I agree..
BIGGIE - August 5th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
i wish we did break into the top for but I think a top 6 finish is the best we can get…
Andy - August 5th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
We will be relegated this season…god i hate these articles….. really pointless after a while
spurfect one - August 5th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
we can win the title, i for one will not be happy with 5th or 6th we must finish in the top 4 this season or next.
jim - August 5th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
please please stop this 4th place nonsense. Why not forget all abut it, if it happens it happens but its insane to start the season with such pressure. Do i think we will get 4th? not a chance in hell. Top 6 would be a great achievment with a new team.
Now lets never hear of this ‘4th place’ again !
Andy - August 5th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Five level-headed Spuds comments in one place?
I call shennanigans.
Or you’re all employing reverse psychology after last year…
Celebrity Grouse - August 5th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Oh dear spurs fans, if Ramos catches you talking like that he will pull your pants down and give you a good spanking!
Anonymous - August 5th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
where has all the delusional spuds gone?
i miss all the good Top4enham jokes! your no fun anymore
lets hope last summer has been a lesson for all of you. silly spuds.
jay - August 5th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
.It would be a massive jump 11th to 4th in one season.Lets just build on the carling cup finish top 6 and then bring in the last few quality players needed.I myself would rather win another trophy this season that look for 4th spot.
pet the greek - August 5th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
we are in a stronger posion then last year we have a manager who belives and gives people around him confidence to be arnest before the ball is kicked evry team has a chance
Gooner scum - August 5th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
look at those comments by the gooner scum - the same little prick sends several comments under different names and thinks no one will notice.
You don’t have to be very bright to be a gooner scum. Now run along and go back to sucking your daddies cock whilst dreaming of having that kiddy fiddler french twat manager of yours sticking his cheesey dick up your arse. Prick.
matty - August 5th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
you lot are stupid! the defense we have got when fit is superb!
Gomes 60% clean sheet ratio over 4 years, 4 titles on the trot!
King, Woodgate both England Int’ls King one of the best.
Bale and Hutton great going forward aswell as good defensiively, free kicks will be really dangerous round the box!
the way we have been playaing the ball around preseason against all the teams is so refreshing, keep ball with lots of creativity and deadly finishing. If you lot cant notice this and see the difference between this and our usual optimistic babel. this is the ‘real deal’ i kid you not!!!
with rumours of villa, arshavin, corluka still to come ….there is no way we will not finish in the top 4, the understanding within the team looks good now, let alone after 10 games!
getting ramos was the best signing i have seen us make …shuv off professor! ….now is the era of the perfect one!! : )
We have a quality manager in place who has won things!
We have a fitter squad and the basics are there and improved!
We are signing outstanding players covetted by some of the biggest sides in europe!
valle - August 5th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
we will finish 2nd behind the mighty newcastle.
George - August 5th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Why not Jim.Don’t you want your team to rise?
Zz_Xap17 - August 5th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
5th. 6th, 7th - you can see Spurs beating the teams with the potential to get those places - but can anyone see which of the Top 4 they can dislodge?
Had the summer gone to plan and Chelski were without Drogba and Lamps, the Arse with no midfield or Adebayor, Liverpool putting all their eggs in basket marked “Torres” and Man Utd with Ronaldo in Madrid, then maybe.
As it will be, Keane at the ‘Pool, Berbs with United, Adebayor and Drogs still in place, it’s hard to see who’s going to selfcombust enough to let Spurs in to the Champions League.
pet the greek - August 5th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
das anyone know anything about new stadium
valle - August 5th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
if as ecpected we get arshavin,corluka, veloso and berba stays i think we can get 3rd.
DazzaTHFC - August 5th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Matty, We have lost our source of goals from last season, also what is the liklyhood of the back four staying fit all season? Huttons out already!! who is our DMF? ZOKORA! and if/when King or Woody get injured who is there to replace them? Michael “Bambi on ice” Dawson!! Just keep your feet on the ground! You know how it is, Liverpool, Arse, Man City, Newcastle fans can all set major high targets and no one mentions it, Spurs mention top 4 and we are dilusional so BUTTON IT FOR ONCE! do not give them the satisfaction!! I pedict we will finish 10th behind Blackburn!!
jay - August 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Still think we need a DM and a CB also need to keep Berbatov at all costs
BLEACH - August 5th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I wish everyone would f**k off with this ‘4th place finish’ bollocks. Weve just strengthened the attack of the team that was more likely to drop out of that bracket so how the f**k are we gonna do it now…its making us look like mugs every season.
We are in my opinion ‘the best of the rest’ but thats only if our new signings hit the premiership running.
Luckily Everton hav’nt strengthened, Man Citeh will be thereabouts with Portsmouth & Villa sniffing around aswell so lets foget about this ‘top 4′ sh*t & concentrate on finishing in one of the poor mans european places.
brooklynsyiddo - August 5th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
top 4 is possible. why are we not certain it is? don’t be fooled by the endless draws of april and may or the 11th place finish. this team will rise.
spurfect one - August 5th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
BLEACH
Why are u worried about us looking like mugs are u worried what other fans think. remember we are tottenham hotspur one of the greatest clubs in the world so aiming for a CL place should be our target every season.
matty - August 5th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
lost our source of goals ave we?? ur avin a giraffe m8!
Iv’e never seen us look so slick in our pasing our possesion and u could stick a donkey up front in this team and he will get 25 goals + such is the quality in the middle and out wide.
you must notice a difference in our play to last season, lots of 1 touch good running, it seems everyone has a job to do and they are doing it, no hesitancy or headless chickening, for that u have got to give credit to the boss.
with the rumoured signings in the pipeline i feel the expectation has to be champions league, and why not!!! COYS
James - August 5th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
I disagree with a lot of this doom and gloom. Run through our best 11 (today), Gomes, Bale, King, Woody, Hutton, Giovani, JJ, Modric, Bentley, Berbs, Bent. Any one of these players would slot into the current top four sides. Not all players, and not into all 4 sides but most would fit into more then 2. Compare that side to the team that started last season Robbo, LPY, Kaboul, Dawson, Chimbo, Malb, Zokora, JJ, Lennon, Keano, Barbs where only 2 or 3 players would get into a top 4 side. I dont care where we end up this year I just pray we play good football, play like we enjoy being at spurs and win the UEFA cup! COYS
RAY - August 5th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
YES JAMES QUITE AGREE……….
RAY - August 5th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
YES JAMES QUITE AGREE……….COME ON YOU SPURS
Billiospur - August 5th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
We are looking good in preseason and the squad is stronger…..quality etc
we need to dominate games which appears to be so now …with control of the ball etc……..consistent with this and we,ll be thereabouts
celtic and dortmound were the real test recently so ….the vibe in the club is good…..the new players all feel positive we can do well……so the effort will be there……..in Ramos first full season he has all to do …….
silverware is attracted to Mr Ramos so Eufa will be close
Jeff Kaye - August 5th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Sorry, I’m not interested in the Champions League or 4th place. I want us to win the bloody Premiership, which in case anyone has forgotten is First place!
Woody - August 5th, 2008 at 4:50 pm
i hav never seen us pass so well if we bring in villa/arshavin and corluka and we hav a good start then we will play well throughout the season and finish in the top 4
Camel with the Hump - August 5th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Always fail to build on strengths, instead start all over again. Top 6 at best, forget Champions League thanks to Levy.