Liverpool Alonso Deal Details Revealed: £27m Real Madrid Offer Accepted

Big willy - August 3rd, 2009 at 6:46 pm

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DM - August 3rd, 2009 at 6:50 pm

just hope its over by tommorrow, we need a settled squad asap

Anonymous - August 3rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm

fuck that the sons of bitches arn’t willing to offer the right price i say we start talking to other clubs

so they up there bid

and fast i’m fucking getting fed up with this

pappa smurf - August 3rd, 2009 at 7:13 pm

im sick of people having a go at lucas. He may not have set the prem alight since his signing but give him time and stop getting on his back and we may see the potential he has.

YNWA - August 3rd, 2009 at 7:14 pm

This has dragged on wayyy to long, i will laugh if he has not signed by tomorrow since everyone has said he will sign on each monday for the past month… right.. just let him go already. He’s a sell-out anyway, we need someone who will commit to our club.

Liverpool FC Danny - August 3rd, 2009 at 7:15 pm

We should use the money to buy Aquilani and Martinez and use the rest of their transfer cash to buy Mata and a Class A striker. Lose Lucas!!!

middle aged gent - August 3rd, 2009 at 7:16 pm

This Merry go round as being going on for way to long now only two weeks or so to the start of the season and still unsure of alonsos future it seems obvious he is going to madrid just hope he goes soon enough so we can get a replacement in if reports are true then aquilini has supposedly signed which is a move in the right direction which should leave us with 18millionish to invest on more players. prob a centre half and possibly a backup striker dont think rafa will spend the money to try to get silva in as i believe the yanks wont offer rafa anymore money. lets hope im wrong but i dont expect any major signings im afraid

isma - August 3rd, 2009 at 7:21 pm

Keep Lucas and Masch …. Buy Villa + Silva and force Madrid to pay the right price damn shitttt they payed 94€ million for Ronaldo and 67€ millins for Kaka because their transfer cheifs did well in negociations, and we have to do so and git at least 40€ …. also inter did well with their deal in the sage of Ibrahimovic and Eto’o when the took cash + 1player …. so why don’t we do the same …. shame on Rafa, now that Rick Parry’s gone we can only blame Rafa for his choices and his acts he should ask for a fare price …. and either they take it or leave it !

Steve McMahon - August 3rd, 2009 at 7:33 pm

When Alonso goes, so should this 4 2 3 1 system as they only way it was working was due to Alonso’s passing, now with him leaving so should the system, we are too boring, too negative, too limited when it comes to breaking teams down in the same way teams find it hard to break us down, hence the number of draws last season, and so far this summer I see f_ck all to change that point of view.
Unless we see some new faces with the right ability and plaiyg in the right type of system then once again this year we will be looking up the table at manure or chelski next may instead of looking down the table as champions.
Sad but true.

Coops - August 3rd, 2009 at 11:12 pm

Steve MacMahon – totally agree, Alonso dictated our formation but nothing’s going to change unless we get some natural width. Yossi, Kuyt and Babel can all do a job on the wing but they’re not wingers per say.

We need Silva – if he goes to the other end of the M62 I’ll cry. Come on – nearly there – cough up Rafa!

Lfc_Aussie09 - August 3rd, 2009 at 11:32 pm

I think we have Aquilani rafa’s just holding out for the alonso deal to go thru, but i say as soon as its settled we shud try and find a winger fast( i no every1 says it lol) but i think we need to liven up.. i agree with steve that we arent showing the flair that we have…ive been thinking like a 4-3-3 type formation….with glen johnson carra agger and insua in the baks…..gerrard mash and aquilani(if we have him) in mids..and babel torres and maybe silva if possible, but we still have riera and kuyt to fill that if we dont sign a winger….anyways just a thought…could be wrong lol….let me no what ya think??

Ash T - August 4th, 2009 at 1:36 am

bbc sports wensite as said that Liverpool’s Lucas Leiva has held talks with the directors of Brazilian side Corinthians about a move. “You have to see what Rafa Benitez plans,” he said. “The president of Corinthians already know that I am interested in and what I want.” (Brazilian TV station Terra)

i think lucas is going and cattermole will be lucas replacement not alonso replacement
and Spanish newspaper Marca have said we have signed aquilani, so i think we are just waiting for alonso to go now

i have also heard a
2mill +voronin deal for turner
and a
5+babel deal for walcott

hopefuly these deal happen
and with what ever money we have left over should go on silva i think

kopsaint - August 4th, 2009 at 8:30 am

i have a thought. a few of you may disagree big time, some may agree. think of the few players in the world who can pass like alonso…. then think of michael owen going to man utd and think who could we get to really piss them off, a real legend of theirs, then think what player really wants to come home so he can get in the england squad next summer, then think of all the shirt sales he would generate, then think how easy this transfer would be because im sure the likes of villa,tottenham would go in, but the promise of champs lge football would be huge. i gather u all know im talking about goldenballs himself, david beckham. would that be such a bad signing?? one stumbling block would be if he still respects manure and goes back to milan.

9torres - August 4th, 2009 at 8:39 am

Ash T – August 4th, 2009 at 1:36 am

All sounded quite credible until you threw in the babel for walcott comment!

Aquilani will take Alonso’s place in the side and we will keep the formation. I dont know why people still say it is negative, we fiished second last year. IMHO if we start going more attacking then players have to learn the system again and it just doesn’t make sense to change something that has served us well.

For a start IT IS NOT 4-2-3-1.

The players start in this position because it allows the most adaptability!!

I dont know how many times i have to say this ’til people take notice…

We switch between 4-2-3-1 to 4-1-3-2 to 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 to 4-2-4 a number of times in the match. Formations aren’t as rigid as people think. Benitez works under the principle of each player having a zone to command on the pitch, and this zone is decided on by the state of play. It’s basically the reverse of zonal marking. It’s hard to explain without diagrams but im sure you get the jist of what i mean. I do agree we need an Arshavin/Silva/Walcott/Mata type player though as we only have Yossi in the squad who offers this style of play.

Steve McMahon - August 4th, 2009 at 9:02 am

9torres – August 4th, 2009 at 8:39 am

Ash T – August 4th, 2009 at 1:36 am

Morning all, 9torres all of what you said is ok but the fact still remains that we drew 11 games last season, another fact is that there are too many occasions when Torres is battling 2/3 defenders on his own without quick support due to the fact that we play only “1″ up front, not 2 and defo not 3, our system works well against the so called big clubs/teams because they attack us, lesser teams dont and there is nothing new in what I have just said, but as far as I am concerned a manager and he wouldnt have to be a really clever manager would of copped on to our problem fairly early last season and realised that against most oposition in the EPL we should be playing more that 1 up front, go for the win, dont be setteling for a draw, which we did on too many occasion’s last season.
If we persist in playing 1 up front again this season we are going to suffer, simple as that, you can knock me down if I am wrong but without natural attacking fullbacks and wingers with great pace and ability this system is not going to win LFC the EPL, it might win us the CL.

“. Formations aren’t as rigid as people think”

Yes, but the problem with a formation of 4 def + 2dfm is that you must / we do pick players that have great defensive ability, but dont ask them to beat a man and attack with purpose, e.g. Masch – no attacking ability, Alonso – great when he has space to play killer passes into but very limited when he has 11 defenders in front of him, however that issue seems to be almost resigned to history thanks tp RM.
Both of us can argue for and against without any real out come, we will have to wait and see, all I can go on and point to is last season, 11 draws, expect the same again this season unless our manager changes his defensive mindset.

9torres - August 4th, 2009 at 9:28 am

Steve McMahon – August 4th, 2009 at 9:02 am

Morning lads,

I do see what you’re saying Steve, and to some extent i think this is being addressed by the aquisition on Aquilani as he comes across as being more attack minded that Alonso. Im happy with the formation, i just think we lack the extra player to unlock the defenses on thier own, like an Arshavin or a Silva who is willing to come from deep and beat a few men.

9torres - August 4th, 2009 at 9:31 am

Morning Steve,

I think this will be somewhat addressed as Aquilani comes across as being more willing to press than Alonso who likes to drop off and create his own space. I still think the formation could be utilised more effectively with the addition of an Arshavin type player, someone who can come from deep and beat a few men.

Steve McMahon - August 4th, 2009 at 10:08 am

Ok, but Rafa has not done anything by means of a good attacking purchase in the past 5 years to make me believe that he will buy one in what is remaining of transfer window. Torres aside, and look at the likes of Nasri, Arshavin, Silva, etc players that most LFC fans would love to see at Anfield, but I dont believe that Rafa is of the same mindset, hence my point of view about Rafa been a negative type manager, he has this german type manner of setting his team out to be strong, defensive, hard to beat type of a team, he is def no Wenger when it comes to his style of play, not that all Wenger does is right but jesus in my opinion he needs to lose the negative type attitude, base the team mentality on winning as I am afraid last lear is seemed to me it was all about not losing, hence all the draws.
If we play this 1 up front again this season and we struggle again to beat the lesser teams, would you not like to see Torres and a.n.other up front for the next game against lesser oposition???? or would you rather Rafa stuck to his guns and persisted in playing just the 1 man on his own up front while we drop more points like he did last season, just for the sake of a belief in a system that clearly fails against certain teams, with a defensive mindset?????

I know what I would rather, what about you????????

alco ferguson is a nonce - August 4th, 2009 at 10:14 am

more natural width lads kuyt hasnt got the pace and riera…. well hes ok i suppose

9torres - August 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am

i would go along with you on that had Arsenal not struggled to finish first and had we not been the highest scorers in the League for the second season running and amassed our highest ever points total since the Premier League came into existence. The only difference between us and United last year were a couple of last gasp winners, one from an unproven 17 y/o and some goals from Ronaldo who they have now lost to RM. If we had that creative player like you said then that may make all the difference.

If you look at Torres for Spain, he appears stifled by the presence of Villa. The extra man occupying his ‘zone’ restricts him and cuts down on the effect he has on games. If we buy a striker it needs to be someone who can stand in for him and relishes in the lone striker role more than play along side him.

If you look at the pre-season games where he hasn’t played, we have gone with 2 up front (Babel and N’Gog or Voronin and Nemeth). We have looked pretty awful when that has been the case. Granted that may be down to the personnel, but if you looked at the end of the Thai game and the second half of the Singapore game when we went back to the 4-2-3-1 set up, we looked much stronger.

9torres - August 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am

i would go along with you on that had Arsenal not struggled to finish fourth and had we not been the highest scorers in the League for the second season running and amassed our highest ever points total since the Premier League came into existence. The only difference between us and United last year were a couple of last gasp winners, one from an unproven 17 y/o and some goals from Ronaldo who they have now lost to RM. If we had that creative player like you said then that may make all the difference.

If you look at Torres for Spain, he appears stifled by the presence of Villa. The extra man occupying his ‘zone’ restricts him and cuts down on the effect he has on games. If we buy a striker it needs to be someone who can stand in for him and relishes in the lone striker role more than play along side him.

If you look at the pre-season games where he hasn’t played, we have gone with 2 up front (Babel and N’Gog or Voronin and Nemeth). We have looked pretty awful when that has been the case. Granted that may be down to the personnel, but if you looked at the end of the Thai game and the second half of the Singapore game when we went back to the 4-2-3-1 set up, we looked much stronger.

alco ferguson is a nonce - August 4th, 2009 at 10:19 am

oh anybody see voronin statement about not wanting to sit on the bench must be signing for spuds

Donavan Ried - August 4th, 2009 at 10:36 am

Morning Steve Mc, 9torres ……. Going off alittle bit off of what you two are discussing but we had a statement at the begining of the transfer window that Rafa had enough money to buy two decent players. …. Now it appears that this was if fact not true, So is it about time that we really start looking at who should and shouldn’t be at this club?…… Why do we need such a large squad to rotate players? …… It is a massive drain on the clubs resources …… And over the next two season or so i would like to see the money go into building Stanley Park so that we can start reducing some of the debt that we have been saddle with, lets face it there is no Multi-Billionaires on the horizon that is going to come in and spend his Billions on LFC.
People Buy football clubs as a investment, or a nest egg. It would be nieve to think that some Multi- Billionaire would buy Liverpool as a playing as some supporters here have suggested in the past. …..
Things at this club need to be addressed urgently, before we end up like Leeds Utd, or Newcastle Utd ……
Leeds Utd was high flying one season, in the Champions League, and fail to make it the next. The banks paniced and call in there loans forcing Leeds had to sell players, Rio Ferdinand for a then record £28.5m to Man Utd, and then promtly sank without trace….. You would be indeed foolish to believe that this could not happen to Liverpool FC especailly given the economic climate
We are already seeing some foreign players chosing the sunnier climates of Spain due to the lower taxes and if we continue to not win silverware just how long before players like Torres start looking towards Spain to play thier football?….
Rafa and those at Liverpool Need to sit down and plan very,very carefully where Liverpool are going, and get rid of the deadwood around the club, and stop buying in ever young player, really look to develope local talent, something Liverpool fc seem to have forgotten how to do….

Steve McMahon - August 4th, 2009 at 10:49 am

Like I said above,
“not that all Wenger does is right but jesus in my opinion he needs to lose the negative type attitude,”,
of course you can point to Arsenals league position, but I am referring to Rafa,s negative slante on things versus Wengers attacking views more than Arsenals league position. To review your coments about us and Arsenals league position then I would have to point to LFC and manure where we finished 2nd and Manure finished first, where they only drew a handful of games in comparision to ourselves, granted they lost more than us, but the point is that they did what they always do, the went out to win, they attacked with purpose.
Can you give any good reasons why Rafa played Keane on his own up front last season in place of Torres, instead of playing 2 strikers, did Rafa actually think that Keane was a direct replacement for Torres??? surely not, was it the fact that he just wanted to play his beloved system,??? Ans – as far as I am concerned is “Yes he did”, stubborn belief in a brutal system for the EPL, although great in Europe.

“the Thai game and the second half of the Singapore game when we went back to the 4-2-3-1 set up, we looked much stronger.”

and if you look at the Espanol game the other night when we played 4 2 3 1 with Torres on his own up front we looked piss poor, really piss poor.

All I am saying is that if we are failing to break teams down again for the same reasons as last year, Rafa needs to be able to adapt to the situation fairly early in a game and make the relevant changes, if we have 11 or so draws again this season and dont win the league, there cant be any excuses, he didnt learn his lesson last season.
Hopefully I am wrong and you are right, but we will just have to wait and see.

Calvo - August 4th, 2009 at 11:15 am

Again interesting comments and as usual from Steve Mc,Donovan Ried n 9torres,but the system Rafa believes in is always going to stifle what really should be a fluent team.
I mean u have the spine and a few decent wide players in Johnson,Riera,Babel,and yes u could do with say “specialist ” wingers but surely u can get that within the youth o reserves + buy.
But even then would Rafa change his system of play…?
Ive always said that in the epl his style is to avoid defeat which is good if u are Hull or Stoke but for a team going for the prem the attitude should be to go for the win, in europe the dont get beat mentality can and has worked.
Not that i want u guys to be winning anything but its just an observation…lol

red4life - August 4th, 2009 at 11:34 am

i think we badly need a top quality striker rather den silva i think albert will be much better dis year i would really like to see villa or sergio aguero play 4 us as these would adapt up front with el nino due to their quality this would improve our points as dis would make sure of 3 points against d lower teams.i also would be delighted if lucas went because he done nothing at all so far and he is muck!havnt seen much of aquilani but im not sure bout italians they tent to dive around hope im wrong.

9torres - August 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am

Yeah we did look shocking against Espanyol. I think that maybe he needs to start making changes at half time rather than waiting until the 62nd minute everytime? The formation should really change depending on the team we are playing against, so it will be interesting to see how we differ this season from the last. After all i’m sure Benitez is still learning year on year.

Anytone know the latest on Aquilani’s recovery from injury??

Donavan Ried - August 4th, 2009 at 1:20 pm

Afternoon Calvo,9torres, red4life -…….. Why we can’t appoach and speak to club and players and gage whether or not a player and club are instrested in saling a player before the transfer window is beyoned me ….. What are the staff at Liverpool doing?????
Ok no one saw the Alonso Saga coming, but our first target should have been a quality striker this season, why do we need to replace Alonso? and even if we do could not Steven Gerrard forefil that role? Should we not still be persuing a quality striker? ……
I truely fear that day by day our chances of winning the Premier League are getting smaller and smaller, and this is not down to losing Alonso be instead down to the fact that Rafa does not learn from his mistakes and his poor judgements and lack of movement in the transfer market …..

Believe it or not right now i am looking forward to the end of the season and the end of rafa’s managership at Liverpool

Ash T - August 4th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

sorry the only reason i said walcott cause iv heard it off the internet and it could realy happen
i think our money should be spend on aguero, hes young and as played with torres before, he can also play any way in attack
it would give us more goals, and gerrard is the best replacement for alonso and i think every one as forgot how good he was when he was in midfield.
he will still score 20+ goals from midfield

Calvo - August 4th, 2009 at 5:45 pm

Donavan Ried…afternoon bruv.
I can understand your obvious frustrations but have a bit of patience.
The pre season and transfer window hasn´t closed yet so there is still time for Rafa to win you over.
However what u have to see is that as each season goes by u guys have got better.But (and there always is a but…)he can no longer blame the board or personnel within the board as he has FULL control over the transfers that happen at the club.And he is now seeing that its not as easy as he thought.

I wouldn´t necessarily say that sticking Gerrard back into the middle is the best option either as he will leave to much to Masch to do as he likes to be here, there and everywhere.And we´ve seen this from what he managed last season as a 2nd striker (which was his most prolific)and even Capello is reluctant to
put him in there.
Anyway should you guys not complete a “marquee” signing then its not all bad really you still have the core of your team from last season aswell as players like Babel,NGog n Nemeth to come through.

Like I said have a bit of faith but should you guys not win the lge and there is no further evidence of improvement then Rafa could be pushed or walking.