Liverpool Midfielder Lucas Doesn’t Deserve to Wear the Shirt
by YNWA on August 25th, 2009 188 commentsEnough is enough!
I have sat on both sides of the “Is Lucas a Good Prospect” fence so much that I have gotten splinters but I am afraid enough is enough. Many will claim that a player such as Ryan Babel is just as deserving of the moniker “Player least likely to possess a meaningful Anfield future” but at least the Dutchman has shown, all to briefly, some hints of ability and talent whereas the Brazilian has either flattered to deceive or kept himself hidden so as to fool people he may have a purpose on the field of play.
Let’s look at the job he is supposed to do. He is no Javier Mascherano, his job is not to win the ball at every opportunity and to break up opposition attacks. He is also no Xabi Alonso, as he is unable to spray 30 yard balls to a teammate or keep the momentum moving with a sharp one-two leaving a fellow Liverpool player in space. The 22 year old falls between two stools in more ways than one.
He isn’t a defensive midfielder and he isn’t an attacking midfielder and he sure as hell isn’t a playmaker. So what the hell is he? It seems that any praise he has received has been a thinly veiled insult. Many fellow fans at games have told me as we head for the exit “Lucas was better than he usually is” as though this is reason enough for Rafa to continue to persist with his inclusion.
He isn’t a teenager who needs time and space to develop. He’s a player who has played in 70+ games for the club and consistently looked poor in I would say three quarters of the matches. I applaud Rafa’s determination but he really needs to offload the former Gremio man sooner rather than later. Clearly it’s tough to do so at this moment in time with Alberto Aquilani still sidelined but I would rather see Damien Plessis given a run out. Yes he’s far more defensive minded but at least he knows what his role in the team is, Lucas Leiva doesn’t.
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anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I couldn’t agree more. It is so frustrating to see him play. I am a Liverpool fan through and through, a season ticket holder and I am afraid it is clear for any supporter with eyes in his head to see Lucas is not good enough. He isn’t good enough for any top six side.
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
in brasil hes still rated sell him fast !! we might get a good price for him
DM - August 25th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
sell him for 8mil plus to brazil, get van der vaart with cash and play jay spearing, better than plessis
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
get the looser out hope he sees these comments used to like him but hes a liability get de federico quickly. olu
Kop King - August 25th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Liverpool need to buch up their ideas and being so soft on certain players.
Players should be given a certain period of time to gel and progress but the likes of lucas and babel have had countless seasons to stake their claim.
Lets get things right if after one season a player fails to live up to the billing then they should be offloaded and by doind this the process of elimination and progress of the team becomes more oiled.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
sell him
Hoogleboogybugleboy - August 25th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Last nights performance was the last straw for me too. The guy is not good enough, it’s that simple. I totally agree with supersub on this one. What is his role in the team? He played better for Aston Villa last night than he did for Liverpool. If I was Rafa I’d check his passport because he doesn’t look or play like any Brazillian I’ve ever known.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
He doesn’t fit into our style of play, however I wouldn’t label him not fit to wear the shirt. His contributions last night were 33/35 completed passes, a few through balls to Gerrard when Villa gave us the space and time to do so.
He was better on the pitch in the 65 minutes he played then Gerrard was all 90 minutes; both making horrific fouls and causing goals.
Lucas is much better when he’s more forward like the preseason showed, he’s less effective when he’s stuck doing defensive duties alongside Mascherano. He needs to get more forward but if the likes of Gerrard, Torres and Benayoun won’t return the pass to him, how would he make a difference?
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
dont pretend you go to the games. how about supporting your manager for once. criticising lucas is criticising benitez. fair enough you dont like lucas, thats your opinion – but why broadcast it on the internet. what good is that going to do? liverpool fans dont work like that. pathetic.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
He is in the Brazil squad ffs.
As for selling him to Brazil for 8 mil – that is the most ridiculous thing I’ve hear today. There is no money in Brazilian football. Why do you think they always selling their best players to Europe?
Trust the manager.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
he is first class, and would probably walk in to most top four midfields, we should all just give him a break and get off his back who knowse with the mighty kop behind him 100% he may raise his game and become the player that his potential allows, i think the physcological aspect of replacing alonso is not only heightening the pressure that every mistake brings from the fans but is also effecting him mentally as he must be aware of the animosity from the anfield faithful, we should just get behind him!
WE LOVE YOU LUCAS WE DO…
DM - August 25th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
would all youse just sign up ffs, anonymous is making me sick
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
babel was are best player since he came on so how can u compare lucas and babel also babel isnt playing in the right position eg like playing reina at left back
DM - August 25th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
nick, spot on, last night rafa shouldve played babel in voronins position. and should play upfront permanantly as that is his position, riera should start on the left and we need a right mid as kuyt cant play there im afraid, he is a foil to torres or babel
DM - August 25th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
apart from babel being the best player when he came on, as johnson and mascherano stood out the most
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
You’re not fair with him !! after the 2 first games everybody was givin him credits and he was well rated by the press and also by the fans (even on this fu*ckin site !!) and only because he played badly in one game out of three (notice that alll the team played very badly even Gerrard was in a bad day !!) but now all the problems in this world are because of Lucas !!!
yes he scored an own goal, but even Gerrard and Carragher did scored own goals in the past and had bad games !!!
I don’t compare him with Gerrard but I think that you cann’t judge Lucas
Just leave him alone, he’s a brasil international and a good player and will proove all of you wrong !!!
come on Lucas & come on LFC
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Lucas is a decent player but rafa seems to play him as a defensive midfielder which is not his position. He is a attacking midfielder and in our current formation he doesnt fit in. So its unfair to label him as a waste wen your asking him to play a position that hes not suited to.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
the truth hurts and lucas should of had a year in the reserves first.. at the moment he is not ready, we need someone like senna. the nearest you will get to alonso but quicker, also get robbern
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Totally agreed with the article. Please get rid of stupid Lucas, else please get rid of yourself, RB. Don use the stupid Kuyt, Reina which is the average player. We are Liverpool, not Liverfool. We need bloody 19th. No matter how good SG and FT, they need SUPPORT. Can Kuyt, stupid Lucas support? From the first 3 games i watched, only SG, FT, YB, Insua,Johnson, Mash are playing football. The rest, Reina, Kuyt, Lucas, Babel.. all SUXXXXXXxx..
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
why when we play is lucas played what about the big players, gerrard? just got back into the game and he throws in a stupid tackle most players in the prem wouldnt have done, Carra? not bin good enough with a fully fit defence he shouldn’t start he wouldnt get in the other top sides either but nobody says nothing about him or are these two above any criticism?
Hoogleboogybugleboy - August 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
i must have watched a different game then guys because at no point did babel look like the best player and Lucas did turn in a poor performance, as did everyone even Pepe. As for the fans getting behind him. If he played well consistantly then maybe we would. I am not normally one to slate our players but last nights showing was pretty awful. The worst thing for me was that Villa were really bad and we couldn’t take advantage of it.. Villas best player last night was Lucas.
Reds Lewis - August 25th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Personally ive defended lucas for a long time, he does have some good games and make some good tackles but i just dont think he is suited for liverpool and has to leave, or improve his game.
He only passes to the side or behind him when we are playing against big teams…which could be a confidence problem but still…he has had time.
I say we give him until January and if he hasnt improved by then, sell him for about 6-7m…..
Clubs WILL pay that for Lucas…e.g hull city and wolves
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
this season, like never before, its crucial to build on momentum…and sadly lucas looks like it’ll take him a yr..(if ever) to get to grips with midfield slot in team..why did benitez not loan him out in previous yrs when he could have gained the necessary experience and possibly grit…he’s too lightweight for crucial task of dictating play or winning games by example… expect to see him in spanish league next yr or hopefully xmas if benitez can grab a decent loan option..(why has this not happened already?????)
have to agree gerrard was so off last night..so unlike him..but very telling!
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
babel dint make 1 mistake wen he came on he did some nice passes did a nice time run wen he scored but offside and also did a nice thrugh ball more than gerrerd did all game dont you think
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
You are all very typical of the sort of supporters who make their minds up before the game what they are going to see then of course they convince themselves that they see it. You cannot call yourself the 12th man – not for Liverpool at any rate. Lucas was far from the worst player on the night and there were players who we expect more reliable performances form who were ruining any rhythm or momentum that might have been built every time we approached it.
If we fall apart its is because we don’t get into a decent rhythm or have the right momentum. That can be upset by many things from having anything from one player or more not performing or the ref making play breaking decisions. I’ve seen a lot of both this season. I’ve also heard a lot of morons who of course know better than the manager how Liverpool’s team should be managed and how best to get them playing.
I shouldn’t be surprised at past players having a negative poke at current players after all you were mad of gold and your farts didn’t stink. I’m unfortunately not at all surprised at the comments from those supporters who have a pop when they either don’t go to the game, or don’t get behind the team when they need it most. Ask yourselves why some of our players can perform better away from Anfield than at it these days. Might it have something to do with the standard of support we get when our vociferous traveling support make a genuine 12th man. It used to be funny when you got ahead against the Manure because Schmeichell would start bitching at his own players and they would fall apart ravaging each other like rabid dogs and lose all composure and rhythm. Saldy you have made that all come home to Liverpool. We had better supporters when we were in the second division and all we wanted was promotion. The success we regained after that happened has attracted a very undesirable sluggish unenergetic and ill derserving breed of supporter. Albeit we have some players who just haven’t cut if for me over the years. Some of these you might find surprising but its easier to hide in a team that’s working together and not for the individual.
Not fit to wear the Liverpool shirt eh, well I can see what he might have to offer, so can Rafa. He was the only player trusted to stand in for any of three high profile midfielders and did a good enough job most occasions he was asked to do so. If he isn’t fit to wear the shirt then neither are you lot qualified to slate it and the players who currently wear it. On last nights performance there are a few of the seniors that should have a couple of reserve outings until they get their arses in gear and Lucas would come more than half way down the list for nominations.
Behave yourselves. 12th man you’re not even worthy of being squad supporters, your bias and prejudice and easy bullying do you no favors and make you ugly to the eye as well as leaving the door open to those who would exploit such self inflicted open wounds. And David you wouldn’t have been slagged off so openly by ex players in the media it didn’t happen did it it stayed in the dressing room or on the training pitch.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Not many of Liverpool’s players are fit to wear the shirt, for a team with such prestige and class they only have a handful of players worthy of the Liverpool shirt and the wage packet they pick up. Gerrard,Torres,Macherano,Reina,Carragher,Agger,Kuyt and Benayoun.If i was a Liverpool fan i would want Benitez out and Villa and Sneijder in,and a manger who has a bit of class.
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
get rid ov rafa and get a me in id see who the fans wanted in and out. also i would want the same wage as rafa id be manager for free
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
The only thing Brazillian about him is his pubic hair, guess that is why he consistently plays like a cnut
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
people log in all i ever see is anoymous grrr log in plzzz
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Dipper
Abbreviation for “bin dipper” aka scouser.
Derived from their habit of foraging in dustbins for food, clothing and mating partners.
Can also be identified by foolish collective belief that Liverpool FC is a major footballing power. Can be found in large (10,000 or so) numbers at a local cesspit aka Anfailed. Although the number of meetings here tends to decline as the calendar progresses towards May,.
Look at that Dipper (cue shell suit, face full of phlegm if speaking).
saif - August 25th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
sell him for 10 mill plus and get van der vaart then sell voronin and buy de fedrico
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
saif every1 thinks tht but rafa is stupid and will not do this becasue voronin and lucas are better in his opinion
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
look assholes im rafa,s daughter and the only reason my father plays lucas is because he is hung like a horse , as my mother has put rafa on a 3 month sex ban lucas has been filling in my dad,s holes for him , hence the reason he plays every week. i no this cause i caught lucas fuckin rafa over the pool table at home . and if nobody believes this story they can go and eat my hairy muff……. rafas daughter
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
LucARSE you pathetic excuse for a footballer – read the above, you’re not worthy of the Red Shirt – we’ve given you a chance to settle and play but after 70 odd games only one thing is consistent – You’re completley crap. YOU WILL WALK ALONE, WALK ON, WALK ON – now get out and get lost you cost us the title last season and you’re costing the title this season…………
liverpoodlian - August 25th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
agree with you nick..
i would be more than happy to see he leave..
however, we will not get 10 mil plus from him..maybe only about 6-8 mil..
IsraeliKaka - August 25th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Some of the comments are pretty harsh regarding Lucas. It’s quite simple though.
He is inept. He has NO WEAPON to his game besides having the athletic ability that every footballer has.
As the OP puts it, he’s not a great tackler, passer, goalscorer, dribbler or leader. He is Mr Average! And Mr Average gets us beat 1-3 at home.
Yes Gerrard was poor, but of Lucas doesnt needlelslly give away the free-kick last night (deja vu from that game against Everton) and to make matters worse scores an own goal then we dont go 0-1 down and get pressurised.
Lucas will never ever win us a game. He’s already lost us several. GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHANCE.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
liverpool give the job to king kenny he will sort the crap out and play 442 and mam 2 man marking thats how win games bye villa probl sorted and get rid of the yanks get dic thats it liverpool wood b ace but sorry to say its all a dream
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
After Last Nights Match…NONE of them Deserve to wear the Red Shirts of Liverpool Football Club .. Including Gerrard and Torres
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
For all you idiots claiming he’s been consistently poor you’ve obviously been watching football for about 6 months. In his first season – when given the oppurtunity – he looked a very talented player on the ball. This whole Lucas hating culture came about because of one game – the draw with Fulham when it wasn’t even him to blame for the defeat instead players like Mascherano got off lightly considering their dire perfomances. He has been made the scapegoat in recent times without even a moments thought. In Brazil he was touted as a Gerrard-esque box to box midfielder who’d grab the odd goal and really dictate the tempo. Since joining Liverpool hes been thrown into the Mascherano role too often, rendering is true talents almost obsolete. Performances in such games as the 5-1 thrashing of Newcastle among others – including pre-season – are prime examples of, when played correctly, he can be a very useful player and testament to the fact that he has been played out of position. And for all of you calling for the inclusion of Spearing you’ve got another thing coming if you think Lucas is ‘not deserving’ of the Liverpool shirt
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
hes fucking shite
IsraeliKaka - August 25th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
When Lucas starts winning us points rather than losing them THEN people’s minds will change.
But I’ve lost faith that will ever happen. NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR A TEAM CHASING THE PREM.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
anonymous – August 25th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Hes completely right.
Im fed up of people slagging off Lucas.
I know this is going to sound like an ignorant comment which it probably is, but why blame Lucas, I really am getting annoyed with it, blame the team, we had 11 shots on target, 8 off and scored one goal, Id blame Torres Gerrard Bennayoun and Kuyt for that.
Villa had 4 shots 1 off target and scored 3, Id blame Reina Carragher and Skrtel for that.
Surely Lucas had something to do with us having so many shots and them so little? He seemed like the only player on the pitch who did his job, the forwards didnt score and the defenders didnt defend and the goalkeeper didnt goalkeep.
We had 67% possesion and 83% passing sucess, Lucas was one of the few players who did their job properly.
Everything went against us, I cant see us being that unlucky again, Im not going to jump to conclusions like most people, it was a one off and it wont happen again if we create that many chances.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
What a load of over-reactive self-absored rubbish. I can’t believe so many of you call yourselves Liverpool fans. You’re going to crucify a guy because he deflects in an own goal from a free kick? Great, you might as well have a go at JC because he’s scored as many own goals as regular goals for his club.
Get a grip guys. Lucas HAS been playing well. If you can’t see that I have no idea what games you are watching. Put your childish emotions aside for a second and see the technical aspects of the game. His short passing has been excellent, he’s constantly feeding players in front of him, finding space and not getting caught with the ball. He works as hard as anyone out there and the reason Rafa keep playing him is because he fits perfectly in his system.
What I saw in last night’s game was far from a poor performance. Liverpool’s attacking throughout the game was outstanding. The goals against were unfortunate but as Rafa said, if you’re going to have a go at Lucas, have a go at Stevie too, that tackle was terrible. But maybe just consider stop your whinging for half a minute, this is how football works. You put in a ton of good chances, you don’t score enough and the opposition catches a few lucky breaks to put us away. If you can’t handle that then you shouldn’t be watching the game. This is not a tragedy, it’s not the end of the world, it’s not some great drama that we can’t deal with. It’s FOOTBALL. You don’t win every game, you don’t always live up to expectations and sometimes you have to fight.
God, I’m sick of the knee jerk reactions from modern football fans. Just stick with the team, give them a chance and seriously, ENJOY the challenge that we have ahead of us.
...samlfc.... - August 25th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
anonymous – August 25th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
gerrard will always be deserving of the red shirt he won us pretty much every title for us except the prem!
I’m getting worried about Liverpool i will always support them what ever happens but i’m getting sick to death with the americans and how they are draining the club minute by minute. Lucas can be decent but we can’t rely on him threading through balls to gerrard or Torres. Lucas is a player if we are 4-0 up then play him other than that then just don’t!
We need a player like VDV or someone just to keep possesion
Liverpool forever!
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
dump lucas, put gerrard back in midfield and play babel up front with torres cuz we bought him as a striker, his better then vornin
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
——————————————-reina———————————————
johnson——————carragher——————-skrtel————————insua
————————————-mascherano——————————–
kuyt———————————-gerrard——————————reira—–
——————–torres——————————–babel———————-
this should be the starting line up,
lucas doesnt even deserve to be a sub,
plessis should be given a spot insted of lucas
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
This is a vile blog. Most of the comments added are also vile, stupid rubbish.
As 2 or 3 people with more than half a brain say above, this is not the Liverpool way. We are supposed to support the team, not bitch, moan and unfairly single out a convenient scapegoat.
If you most of the people who have posted above (including the author) knew anything about football, you would clearly understand what Lucas’s role is within the team and why he is a positive component that should be given some slack.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
well said…
Reds Lewis - August 25th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
All you people sayng replace lucas with Plessis make me laugh
Lucas isnt performing but seriously…..Plessis is utter crap and will never be as good as lucas, nor is he as attack minded…and thats saying something!
Lucas isnt good enough atm yes but we dont have anyone apartom from spearing at the moment to cover him, and spearing imo though a good player, doesnt have enough experience….
My opinion is give lucas til january, if hes still under performing let him go…
but until then, we dont have any other options ti laquilani is fit.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
By Tilla The Red.
I think the reason why Gerrard’s form is hitting a rough patch at the moment is because he’s reluctant to get forward knowing that Lucas is behind him,similar with Pepe’s dip in form and the defensive frailties due to chopping and changing.This is the worst start to a campaign I can recall (pre-season included).Spending a fortune on an injured player was the tip of the iceberg in terms of the financial situation, and losing Xabi (who could easily have stayed another year to try for the big push).The Yanks have bitten off more than they can chew (bizarrely for Americans) and should ship out asap.Rafa’s asking for a decent wedge and being given a dodgy Brazilian.Not reinforcing the front line will be Rafa’s downfall this season.He could and should have IMHO demanded Negredo as part of the Xabi deal,(with all the talk of wingers and nobody up front that can head a ball beyond the accuracy of the proverbial sheriff’s badge) the rest of the prem must be in stitches knowing how simple our 2-dimensional game is to negate.Mark Gerrard and Torres,hit us on the break,and you’re a winner.At the moment we look about as capable of keeping a clean sheet as Shane McGowan,utter dross!
Kop King - August 25th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
One point i would like to mention that has been bugging me for a good few seasons is how on earth people can rate jamie carragher so highly. I am baffled by this i mean he is a good defender but he can’t jump for shit, has not got enough pace and positionally isn’t as mustard as you all make him out to be. Skrtle is miles better and if agger was fit then he should definitely get into the team ahead of carragher. I mean appreciate loyalty and i remember all the supreme displays especially the magestic one in istanbul but i have said for many a season that liverpool will never win the premiership until he is replaced by someone who is world class.
What do you all think.
Reds Lewis - August 25th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Kop King…
Hate to say it but you are partially right
Jamie C isnt as good as he used to be, hes never had that much pace anyway, but he’s out run easily by most wingers these days.
However he still makes AMAZINGLY timed tackles and his commanding presence is next to none… he will be missed when he goes.
But im not sure if you can replace experience and knowledge with pace and aerial ability
cockneyscouse - August 25th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Agree with anonymous at 6.59pm with the line up, but its not up to us is it ? ? ! !
TO THE GUYS WHO SAY GET RID OF RAFA, WHO STEPS IN TO HIS SHOES ? ?
YANKS OUT, DIC IN. 4 4 2
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Absolute rubbish, you show your lack of understaning of the game (as do others here). He’s a very good central midfielder being asked to play as a defensive midfielder – which he clearly isn’t.
neverenough - August 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
most will disagree with me but i think lucas has alot of potential and maybe liverpool need proven skill rather than potential i would loan him out to another prem side or good championship side
unfortunately i think babel needs to play as a striker or be sold he just suffer on the wing
matty - August 25th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
I don’t agree at all. He isn’t my favourite player but saying he isn’t fit enough to wear the shirt is getting so boring guys, he is filling Xabi Alonso’s boots its not an easy job. This season bar Johnson I think he has been one of our best players. There have been plenty worse players, but he scored an own goal yesterday so everyone jumps on the bandwaggon.
Its my opinion guys, feel free to shout at me I won’t cry.
lfc YNWA - August 25th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
agreed matty.
SimHanA7X - August 25th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
this is totally off the subject, but, id really lik to see agger play left back
he has a good pass, good cross, is attack minded wen he needs to be, annd has a wicked shot
i dno, id just love to see johnson, carra, skrtl, agger as our back 4 for just 1 match to see if it wud work
RyanO - August 25th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
One of the unfortunate side effects of the Premier League’s semi-recent global marketing techniques is the fact that the “true fan” or “knowledgable fan” is becoming somewhat of an endangered species. Rather than having productive discussions about formations, what areas of a team or a players repetoire must be improved, even tactics are being replaced by discussions full of slating players and coaches alike. Everyone on the internet has an opinion and there are at least 1 million Asians who think they know football better than Rafa Benitez. What I’m saying is, it’s 3 games into the season and the bandwagon jumpers are poised. There’ll be a run on Citeh kits in a couple of weeks if Liverpool don’t get it together. What have you done for me lately, instant gratification mentality has penetrated the beautiful game. We should have a Torres at every spot on the field. We should spend 300 million quid rebuilding our team every off season. Get a fucking grip!
Reds Lewis - August 25th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
what RyanO said about the Asians is so true lol
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
You dont deserve to wear the fucking shirt! give your season ticket to a real fan!
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Get off his back. Gerrard was more to blame for the loss against Villa than Lucas. If Rafa thinks he’s good enough, then he’s good enough. End of story. You guys that rip Liverpool players don’t deseve to wear the replica shirt. YNWA
Donavan Ried - August 25th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Those who knows me here know that i do not like Lucas ….. Having said that with fairness to him if you forget the fact that he gave a way the freekick which resulted in the own goal by him, he along side Carra,Torres,Kuyt, Masch’ Gerrard and Benny did play his sock off the others were so, so ….. Which brings me to a point that i have raised before ……. How is it that we can buy a player that is good for a nother team but seems to play shit for us? ….. And before any of you say that (1) they can’t play in a big team (2) the B.S. about the speed of the premier league …. When these players play against, after leaving us they do just fine …….. There is something not right with our system ….. Lets take Fernando Morientes ,,,,,, Top scorer in The Champions League before jionimg us, hadly a goal with us, and then he leaves us to become Top scorer in The Champions League again ……. The youths are taking forever to come through. As someone here sadi we are buying they at 18 and by the time that they are 24 they are just breaking into the starting 11 ……really something needs to be done ,,,,, Our whole system from top to bottom needs looking at,
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
3 games gone and everyone is a football expert..get real…last night’s game for those who know anything about football was a big disappointment not beacuse Lucas is the worst player in the Premiership, not even because he had an awful game, it was a major disappointment due to the lack of genuine class we showed all over the pitch, Benayoun looked lively but kept giving the ball away, Gerrard was fairly annoymous for nearly the whole game, and up front Torres does need to get and move the ball on far quicker…he was getting hammered by their centre backs last night but what do you expect when you are supposed to the best in the game, for them to stand off and let him walk through, not going to happen. It seems that everyone is influenced by the media more and more and no-one can think for themselves, and sensationalist blogs like this don’t help..support your team, don’ t act like spoilt brats when things are not going our way…leave that to scum supporters…YNWA
Donavan Ried - August 25th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Sorry, i hit the submit comment button …….
I am begining to think that Lucas has fallen foul of this system …….Don’t believe me? ….ok look at Babel his a different player of Holland …..Just how many good players have come to Liverpool and failed to make a impact ? …. Yet some for those players play very well against us ……..
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
it looks like people on here do not watch football and know nothing about liverpool, lucas is ok, he can fill the void until aquilani is fit. lucas was not the cause of the defeat last night nor in any other game (the everton one was benayoun) wel maybe the wigan game. non of the team were very good insua and mascherano maybe, johnson was not his usual self probably because of the threat of ashley young. benayoun and kuyt kept cutting in which ment we had no width, we need to buy a winger.
and for all the people who believe plessis shoul play ahead of him, they are wrong, i have watched the reseve team for the past two years and plessis last year was awful, he had a good couple of games toward the end of the season but was otherwise no good. i think if any reseve player should be picked its palson, maybe spearing.
Donavan Ried - August 25th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
liverpoodlian, RyanO ….. How did you guys add your picture?…
stevono1 - August 25th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Some truly disgusting comments. I applaud the true fans e.g Ryan O whom clearly have an understanding of the beautiful game and is a true reds fans. I’m not even so sure that people writing these obscene comments are Liverpool fans. Maybe Man U or Everton fans with nothing else better to do…
We are three games into the season. after a couple more games we will be right up there again. Lucas was our best player pre season and ‘fans’ were praising him. The same ‘fans’ seem to be taking pleasure from slating him now. I watched the full match and think Lucas played well, he passed the ball well and got stuck in. The free kick was a complete fluke. The 2nd should never have been as Rafa was right the whistle should have been blown by then (even with Reina kicking ball away).
I propose these mentally challenged ‘fans’ go and choose another team to support (maybe the scum), because real fans don’t want you there. This was probably why Anfield was so subdued las night. That is not aimed at travelling fans because I have many friends who come over from Ireland etc. As Ryan O mentioned these glory seekers whom have probably only ’supported’ Liverpool the last few years or so.
Isn’t it funny that these so called ‘fans’ either can’t be bothered to register or log in. Their cave man like fingers seem to SLIP AND HIT THE CAPS LOCK. I’m 28 and am a lifelong reds fan and only discovered this site a few weeks ago but am infuriated at the lack of intelligence of some of the comments left.
PLEASE GO AND SUPPORT MAN U AS YOU ARE NOT WELCOME AT OUR CLUB.
Hang in there Lucas.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
all you slaggers are pathetic!
the whole team were shite against villa so lay off lucas.
your all a pack of saddos and the atmosphere at anfield is shite because your all wound up with negativity.give the lad a break and kick gerrard up the arse,hes the captain,hes were the buck stops,yes the captain.
john usa
(stood on the kop for years and sang my heart out and encouraged100% every player in MY team)
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Lucas Leiva will be the first £100,000,000+ player when we eventually sell him to Real in six years, during that time he will win us 4 league titles and three champions league trophies. He will be voted our player of the year five times running, and will also become a figure head for the fans buying out the club as he will donate heavily to the cause. He will eventually come back to Liverpool as manager in 30years time, and will remain unbeaten in all competitions for the entirity of his twenty year managerial stint.
In Lucas we trust
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
I can understand the frustration BUT not the constant bitching about Lucas. If I had people watching me, waiting for a mistake so that they could deride me, then I’m sure it would affect me.
Gerrard, Carragher and Raffa have all stated that Lucas is a quality player and I bow to them on the question of Lucas. So try supporting him because the CRITICS ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.
Reds Lewis - August 25th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
lol at that previous comment…
I know some people were talking of maybe something in the dressing room disrupting the players?
Well i have reason to beleive that Mascherano may still be going to Barca….
I know this is nothing really to go by but…..
Ive just been on fifa 09, and with the latest online squad update for xbox live, Barcelona have Ibrahimovich and also….yep….Mascherano and Evra…
Now i know this is just a game, but FIFA 09 gets its squad list updates from the official fifa team list…….
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
When we’re playing poorly or getting beaten where’s the 12th man then – I’ll tell you nowhere. You’re all to busy moaning about our own players than trying to raise them. I heard a comment made by a Manc that “Anfield only sings when theyre winning” – HOW TRUE, it makes me sad to to realise that the die hard supporters have been replaced by a bunch of moaners.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
John USA
Whats wrong lad, have you got Lucas on your new home or away shirt or something !?!
You say about giving the lad a break i wish someone would break his legs so he doesn’t have a chance of being picked he is not good enough to play for us fact, he has played around 60 / 70 games for the club and is still shit we should cash in on him now and drop Gerrard back into the middle with Mascha untill Aquilani is fit.
Your statement about giving Gerrard a kick up the arese is a bit cheeky i think, considering he Gerrard has been the savior of the club on more times then i can remember over the past 8 / 10 years. You could possibly count Gerrards bad games on two hand over the past 8 / 10 years.
I can only remember two games out of 60 / 70 where Lucas has played with the quality that you would expect from a LFC player and that was against the manks and newcastle when we smashed them 1 – 4 and 1 – 5 respectively.
Lucas is just not good enough to play for LFC at this present moment in time !
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Maybe you, so-called “true fans” with all your fanaticism, are too blindfolded to see the truth about the team and the manager. Maybe the rest of the world have their eyes more open to the things happening at LFC nowadays?
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
This kind of ‘witch hunt’ is ridiculous and its the same rubbish for Ryan Babel. Our job is to go out and ’support’ our team, im a season ticket holder and I admit that some performances have not been what everybody has craved but its about time we brought back the togetherness of old. Back our Manager, keep faith with the players that he is clearly backing himself, and move forward as one.
In Rafa we trust.
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
anonymous who posted on August 25th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Customer is always right
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Rafa is far to stubborn at times, he will continue to play Lucas just to prove a point, irrespective of what happens to the clubs league position.
Reds Lewis - August 25th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
anyone bothered to read and contemplate my comment about the fifa squad lists above?
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
In fairness, we do not have enough creativity in our side, if Gerrard or Bennayoun were to get injured at the same time god forbid we would struggle.
We have too many average players in our squad , which should not be the case considering we are the best side in the world.
Voronin, kuyt, Leiva, Itandje, Ngog, El zhar, Degan and Plessis would struggle to get into the likes of sunderland, Bolton, Burnley and wolves squads so i do not know how they are still at liverpool.
Now even tottenham have a stronger squad than us, we should try get rid/ or sell the players who are not cutting it and bring in class players who are available:
David wheater of Middlesborough or Michael Turner of Hull City, Distin of Portsmouth, Van der Vaart, Robben of Real Madrid, Jesus Navas of Seville, David silva of Valencia, Michael Johnson of Manchester City and a striker who could score 10-20 goals a season to help torres : Iaquinta or Lukas Podolski.
These are the players who are needed at liverpool for us to challenge for titles year in year out , not some of the players who we have at the club now.
Until we add more genuine quality,creativity and class in the side we will struggle now and in future!!!!!!!
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Too many passengers on board the Good Ship LFC !!
YNWA
Reds Lewis - August 25th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
I agree with the average players thing….but Kuyt isnt average, hes a good player.
The rest like Ngog, Plessis, El zhar, Itjande ,Voronin should be sold….
We need to stop wasting money on buying average players for a few million and bloody well spend it on 1 transfer if we have to….
For example we have bough mavinga this season…who the fuck is he? and he was 1-2m…its a waste of money.
Our Bench should at least look like
Babel,Kyrgiakos,kuyt,vdv/robben,cavalieri,negredo,skrtel,voronin etc
Atm it looks something like
Ayala,ngog,cavalieri,babel,el zhar,voronin…none of these imo are top 4 standard apart from maybe babel and i dont know about kyrgiakos but ive heard they used to call him the greek tragedy at rangers lol….
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Reds Lewis your spot on !!
neverenough - August 25th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
i agree with alot of the comments above you shouldn’t be slating lucas
hes in the bloody brazil squad for heavens sake and i have seen quality from him just accept that no player is perfect and support your teams players
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
we need vdv and a sttriker good enough to partner torres any ideas???
neverenough - August 25th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
maybe john carew as a second striker not too expensive strong, powerful and good in the air
bob skeleton - August 25th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Virtually every forum on this site is full of bitter / deluded / self-righteous / obscene / illinformed Liverpool fans…..sorry I got a bit carried away there, and apologies to those not venting hateful comments. As the great John Peel once said about supporting Liverpool…”every player who pulls on the famous Red shirt instantly assumes God-like status”. Am I in the minority for thinking that we should back all of our players? This is especially important at the moment when things look bleak. I’m in agreement with those who point out that Lucas is a young squad player who with guidance, support and faith could make a useful contribution to a title winning season. The abuse being dished out to him is depressing to read, the team performance was shocking against Villa.
Reds Lewis - August 25th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
put kuyt up front with torres, benayoun on the right wing, riera on the left, drop gerrard into midfield and play him instead of lucas.
with either masch/aquilani with gerrard in midfield
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
good call john carew never heard his name before and he would be cheep
Reds Lewis - August 25th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
if kuyt cant cut it up there, try pavyluchenko from spurs who would be available for about 7m and would try really hard cos its a world cup season, hes already said to sky sports that he is considering leaving spurs….hes prem proven and doesnt need to settle in, and not much would be expected of him so no pressure to start off with….hes scored on average more than once in every 3 games he plays so not too shabby.
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
but does kuyt have the finnishing ability to be a top class goal scorer in the prem ?
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
i thought him aswell red lewis he tall and proved he can sccore but will rafa go for him doubt it
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
lucas is a pile of shit and should be kicked out asap. bring in villa now
neverenough - August 25th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
pavyluchenko if i recall isnt that strong correct me if im wrong but i think we need a power house
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
dont have enough cash m8 so sorry to burst your bubble an i agree lucas is crap! i think we may get vdv and this federico guy
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
never enough who like ???
neverenough - August 25th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
carew, carlton cole, heskey (maybe not), just a big, tall powerful striker
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
i think henry would be a good buy but i doubt wed get him
neverenough - August 25th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
nah hes getting on a bit and when iv seen him play he isnt that fast anymore and not that mobile but liverpool may need players like the henry of 5 years ago
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
ye but whos like tht who we could get for around 10 mil
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Whats gonna happen if we sign the little Argie and he has a bad time of it like Lucas? He’s young, South American, about the same price as we paid for Lucas and is breaking into his national side. The similarities are there, will he want to join us if he’s going to be stoned out of town if things go pear shaped.
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
i like the idea ov vdv but rafa never sign any1 who the fans want eg aquiliani who in there right mind would pay 20 mil for him and his injury recod and sum1 whos not even fit for 8 week
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
yee but he could be like messi its worth ago
neverenough - August 25th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
daniel sturridge?? but hes gone to chelsea, de federico (may not be able to handle the prem so young) i honestly dont have a clue but with the proffesional scouting team lfc have hopefully they will find someone
Nick... - August 25th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
i think liverrpool should go for kenwin jones or carton cole they are both prem proven and will bag us goals they are both strong aswell but maybe a bit expencive wat u guys think ?
anonymous - August 25th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Maybe, but we’ve heard it all before. Don’t get me wrong I think he’d be worth a go but you never know how a young South American will get on. Doubt there will be anyone else in before window closes. Hope to God that Aquilani can make a difference.
Bob Skeleton
neverenough - August 25th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Nick… i agree 100% about getting kenwyne jones i feel he would give liverpool another dimension
Reds Lewis - August 25th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
in the shape of heskey with the feet of torres…does anyone like that exist lol?
neverenough - August 25th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
lol looks like we need drogba
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 12:00 am
i prefer carlton cole or jones to him
Reds Lewis - August 26th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Jones wont leave Sunderland, hes a fan favourite there and might not be able to cut it at liverpool….good idea tho
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 12:03 am
ye i think he would leave sunderland iv liverpool came in for him eeg keane left he was a surs fan fav so was torres at athletico
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 12:03 am
i think hed be ideal for torres
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 12:05 am
onli iv we had 25 14 mil on jones or 12 mil on cole
8 mil on vdv
4 mil on federico
1 mil to get rid of voronin lol
neverenough - August 26th, 2009 at 12:07 am
hes powerful, tall ,can head a ball, can shoot well, can be inconsistent but its like what owen said its easier for a striker to score if theres a quality team around him making chances, he could thrive at liverpool
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 12:08 am
I feel times up on Lucas’ dream as a Liverpool player.
He’s had more than enough time 2 settle and started FAR 2 many games for someone
As average as him.
I have never seen anyone refuse bluntly 2 pass the ball FORWARD.!! He is the sideways master
hence the high pass %. You would have thought he would have learned a thing or 2
Training with a passmatster like ‘Xabi’. Any worthwhile attack breaks down when it reaches him.
Harry potter wouldn’t need an invisible cloak if he just watched Lucas on a football pitch.
He hides from the ball, never really looks like he wants it. When he decides 2 go on a forward run, that’s exactly what it is….no thought behind it, he just runs.
He runs and hides behind the biggest centre back and makes out the pass was on.!!!!
He has shown no glimpse of anything whilst at Liverpool.
Ryan Babel on the other hand isn’t getting a chance. When on the rare occasion he starts he’s off by 60min.!!
How much added pressure is there 2 perform know full well, no matter the scoreline your off in an hour??
Again the added pressure 2 do something when thrown on with 10-15 mins left?
If Rafa shows half as much faith in Babel as he does in Lucas he may start 2 fulfil the potential that WE KNOW he has..!!!
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 12:09 am
stevono1
What are you on about if you are a life long reds fans as you say, then open your eyes lad, and realise that the manks are level with us on 18 league’s each and we are in danger of falling behind them thats why alot of people are frustrated with the like’s of Lucas, Dossena, Deggen etc all players who are not good enough to play for us.
I too am a life long liverpool fan, but that doesn’t mean i can’t say what i want about players, who i feel are not good enough to play for our great club, i contributing towards their vast wages every week and will say what i want.
To be honest with you i don’t know what game you was watching last night lad, but to say that:
“I watched the full match and think Lucas played well, he passed the ball well and got stuck in”. WTF ?
Well i was there and the game i watched at the ground, everytime he was in possesion he either gave it way or got tackled because he couldn’t pass it fast enough fact. If that wasn’t the case he just went sideways or backwards fact.
Fact of the matter is that, Lucas and a few other player are just is not good enough to play for us, and you should know that if you was a real Liverpool fan.
Reds Lewis - August 26th, 2009 at 12:11 am
maybe…he is prem proven i suppose and he does play well with others which can be seen from his newly forged partnership with bent…
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 12:13 am
ye but people describe babel as 1 of those hes not playing in his fav position let him play up there rafa and iv he doesnt perform sell him but y play him on the left he dsnt hav a left foot he has 1 hell ov a right tho but play him mupfront and i think he wil score 15 + a season new henry
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 12:13 am
i iwsh rafa saw my earlier post
neverenough - August 26th, 2009 at 12:15 am
iv posted a similar comment on one of the blogs that babel should be up front i bet most lfc fans can recall a certain right footed strike againt chelsea in the champions league
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 12:20 am
people sey hes had his chance and sell well he aint played in his fav eg iv we played torres at left back i think he would be crao but iv u play him in the right position he is argueably the best striker in the world
Ash T - August 26th, 2009 at 12:22 am
i think we should rest torres in the bolton game, he had a realy bad game against villa and he only scored cause he was in the right place right time.
so i think we should give babel ago upfront in his favourite position upfront against bolton
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 12:30 am
Rest Torres? If he’s not injured he plays. Field the same line-up that lost to Villa and let them get on with redeeming themselves.
Bob Skeleton
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 12:31 am
agread
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 12:32 am
babel upfornt hat trick agaist bolton would boost his confidence aswell
Ash T - August 26th, 2009 at 12:37 am
torres had his injury problems last year, and i dont want us to over play him just incase he gets injuries this season
if we got babel starting against the smaller teams and get him scoring goals it will boast is confidence and his value would go up.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 12:45 am
The season is 3 games old. If Torres is in need of a rest now then we are in serious trouble. Rafa has become much more restrained in his rotation over the last 12 months and it showed last season with good results. I like Babel but he has become an impact sub rather than a regular starter, and only seems to shine for the Netherlands. Problem is I can see him going elsewhere, maybe end of the season and doing really well for another club.
Bob Skeleton
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 12:47 am
ye i think tht aswell i think he will go to arsenal next season for 14 mil and then arsne venger makin him into a 40 mil player by the time hes 26
Ash T - August 26th, 2009 at 12:55 am
i think we should give babel a go upfront, as if he gets a few good goals if value will go back up, and then we can sell him for a good price.
also i think lucas should go, he is good but he doesnt give liverpool any thing special.
we got torres the best striker in the world
gerrard the best midfielder/secondstiker in the world
mascherano best defensive mid in the would
johnson best rb in the prem
reina best goal keeper in the prem
we had alonso who was the best at controling the game, and passing the ball.
and now we got lucas who does………… nothing
when we get aquilani then we will have a good alonso replacement as he can pass the ball about like alonso but also better at long strikes.
we need a better cover than lucas
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 12:57 am
Not sure how much he’s worth really. I pretty sure we would lose a bit on him. He might be young but he’s done bugger all really since joining. I hope Rafa does let him of the leash a bit but it can only really be on the left of Gerrard, unless Rafa changes formation which won’t happen. Torres should play in virtually every game and subbed when we’re well ahead. I’d go for Kuyt ahead of Babel upfront if Torres does’nt play and stick Babel right or left of Gerrard. Even so, on balance i’d say Babel is the most promising of our wide players (Riera, Kuyt, Yossi) but the least consistent and he’d be the one out if we were ever able to land a big name wide-boy…….Silva, Robben…wishful thinking!
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 12:59 am
forgot…..I’m awaiting moderation after sign up……Bob Skeleton
Ash T - August 26th, 2009 at 1:02 am
i think we should get milner and young if we was going to sign any wide men, they are young english and would not need to settle.
as kuyt is geting old now, we will need a replacement next summer or summer after, and i can see rafa trying to get milner.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 1:13 am
We could have signed him in the past. O’Neill would want stupid money for Milner now. Gareth Barry#2.
Ash T - August 26th, 2009 at 1:16 am
he wasnt the player then, he is now. and he might cost abit, but hopefuly we will have new owners by then, or rafa desides to spend all his money on one big signing like he did with johnson.
Ash T - August 26th, 2009 at 1:20 am
any way, every one im off to bed now lol ill be back tomorrow
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 1:21 am
He has made as many headlines for Newcastle as he has so far for Villa. He has’nt been at Villa that long and I can’t really see what all the fuss is about. I’d hate to see Rafa go above 10 mill for a player like Milner but I reckon O’Neill would want a minimum of 20. Young would be a much better choice but he’d be well beyond our reach 25-30 mill probably. Anyway we’re skint so i think we’ll have to make do.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 1:46 am
He’s shite.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 2:15 am
i think if no1 wants to buy him then loan him plus decrease his wages by 50%
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 2:36 am
Lucas is an exceptionally good player and he will be as good as xabi alonso
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 3:17 am
Well, the conclusion is: Sell lucas, Let babel play on the right. Bring VDV. The end.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 3:19 am
Lucas a good player? Hellooooo. I think darby is better than him. Lucas already got his time by training alongside gerrard, mash and xabi. Still doesn’t play good. Try the youngsters
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anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 5:11 am
BULLSHIT Lucas has been playing well…. who can’t pass a ball 5 yards to their nearest mates? everyone can, and thats all he does…
No creativity, and no fight. Miss a goal, and you’ll always see a silly smile on his face… almost not expecting to score… what a prick..
He’s had enough of his chances… SELL HIM! or bench him, bring on jay spearing!
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 7:23 am
Ah, I remember having exactly these sort of discussions about Vladimir Smicer. Played as a striker for Czech Republic, top scoring international side at the time, consistently played as a winger by Houllier. Had a fantastic season culminating in our treble. Struggled with injuries for a few years during which time fans with short memories, or not long out of nappies slated him non-stop, couldn’t get in the team in his final season until the final in Istanbul, we all saw what he did then… Damo
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Travis- I THINK LUCAS SHOULD STOP SIGNING IN AS ANONYMOUS! It must be Lucas who is saying how good a player he is and that he would fit into any top 4 side, as I doubt any of the top 4 in c.c league 1 would have him on the bench! As the authur says, he has 20/20 sideways vision. He is slow. I’ve seen turtles fancy themselves against him. He has little to NO attacking movement. I dont like to bag the bloke, but the frustration he causes 99.9% of liverpool fans is to much to hold back.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Alonso had two good seasons with Liverpool, the first and the last year.Are we sure that this season was going to be a good one for him?The hole team is not playing well, not just Loukas.Last night Loukas had an own goal and Jerard gave the penalty.Why we critisised Loukas and not Jerard?After all an own goal is bad lack, isn’t it? If it wasn;t for the penalty, who knows how things could have turn to be.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Loukas?! Jerard?! There names are on the back of their shirts ffs!
RaNE - August 26th, 2009 at 9:53 am
wow thats alot of comments
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Dont talk daft man, Plessis! Stick with Lucas until Aquilini is fit, then next year, hopefully the yanks wil be out, we’ll have some money to spend and we can think about filling the void.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 10:57 am
lucas is a nonsense worse player liverpool has ever had
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 11:33 am
No true Liverpool fan turns on the team or individual players .Its not the Liverpool way , we may moan amoungst ourselves but we dont harp on about players in the public domain.
You are not true Liverpool fans
As for Lucas he did have a poor game but he was not the worst on the pitch, by a long way, stop moaning about him back him and the others or shut up.
Hes a thought though, put pressure on the owners, they see Liverpool FC as there own personnel piggy back.
Lets all supporters world wide hurt them were they will feel it, without hurting the team.
Keep buying tickets and watching the team no problem, but cut of all other income streams.
1) DO NOT PURCHASE ANY MERCHANDISE FROM ANY STORES OR ONLINE.
2) WHEN AT MATCHES DON’T USE THE BARS OR THE FOOD OUTLETS
3) DON’T SPEND ANY MONEY ON LIVERPOOL THAT WILL ONLY END UP IN THE HANDS OF THE YANKS.
4)DON’T TAKE STADIUM TOURS ECT!
This will not hurt the team or Rafa the yanks have already taken all the transfer funds, if what is said in the press and on all the forums is true, so this will only hurt the YANKS and scare the banks that back them, drop in income = pressure from the backs
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
“He isn’t a defensive midfielder and he isn’t an attacking midfielder and he sure as hell isn’t a playmaker. So what the hell is he? ”
Possibly one of the most apt questions I have ever read. He isnt on the same tempo, isnt on the same wavelength and isnt on the same level of ability as the other players around him at Liverpool, and has had over a season to prove himself and I can remember 1 good assist to Gerrard (against Newcastle I think?) as his contribution over this time. Get him out and get 6 mill in
bob skeleton - August 26th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
If he’s a bad as you say then why on earth would any club pay 6 mill for him.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
‘Hoping’ for 6mill, but apparently Corinthians were in for him for around that figure a few weeks ago
bod - August 26th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Loathe him or love him. He’s going to be in the team untill Aquilani is fit. Personally, I think if he’s having a poor game then it’s up to the senior players to pull him through. I expect it to be business as usual on Saturday. We all have our bad days and I’m sure many of them will be out to prove a point against Bolton.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
i wish id read the last line first then i wouldnt have had to bother reading such a pathetic piece. rather have plessis over lucas? im guessing youv never seen plessis play. he is one of the most one dimensional players ever, and no where near lucas’s ability, or even jay spearings.
its so easy to blame lucas when the team isnt playing well i suppose, but is he to blame for the rest of the players not turning up? yes its a bad start to the season, but with the injuries we have and playing 2 centre backs with worrying head damage, we were always going to be a bit vulnerable. chin up eh
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Lucas is an idiot, i cant stand the bloke.. Had a good pre season in meaningless games but then when its time to be counted he falls.
I agree with plessis or Spearing being given a go, at least they know their roles and Spearing would play with the same passion as Gerrard and Carragher.
I also think that the rough treatment dished out so far by defenders on Torres may persuade our boy wonder that a future in Italy or Spain is for him, dont be surprised if he leaves next year for a world record fee of around £90million with the claim that the PL is too rough.. If anyone saw that black eye on Monday and then the consistent use of elbows on him, its no wonder.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Lucas is a cunt
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
he is by far the worst player i have ever had the displeasure to see wear a Liverpool shirt.
bob skeleton - August 26th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
You obviously never saw Phil Babb in a Liverpool shirt.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
i did see Phil Babb. and also saw Erik Meijer and Sean Dundee!!!!! Lucas is complete shit. he cant tackle, cant pass, cant dribble, cant head and cant shoot.
bob skeleton - August 26th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Oh dear Meijer & Dundee….they were fringe players at best. Babb was a regular in that nightmare back 3. Lucas may never be great player but he’s a useful squad member when used properly.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Pr!ck
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
His natural position is cental attacking mid, that’s where he played in Brazil, but with Gerrard and Yossi in our squad he’s not gonna get a game there for us.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Alot of this is crap we ll come good. At the moment it zonal marking thats costing us we all forget we hadn t been beaten at home since dec 07 in prem. Keep the faith back your team not slag them
IsraeliKaka - August 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Lucas makes me pine for Igor Biscan!
At least Igor put a smile on our faces, and was instrumental in us beatnig a team like Juventus!
Lucas loses us games. It’s as simple as that!
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
It’s obvious Lucas is not fit for Liverpool but what is really sad is these pathetic fans who say “If Rafa thinks he’s good enough, he is!!” So lets ignore the reality of Lucas’s ineptitude on the field of play because our Lord Rafa says Lucas is the business?!!
Deep down I will be relieved when Benitez is gone because the blind faith brigade, even after 3 years and not a trophy, are a pathetic disease on our great club. No man is more important than the success of LFC; not Rafa Benitez and certainly not a FLOP like Lucas Leiva.
Let Rafa keep picking Lucas and let him get the sack because of such poor decisions.
...samlfc.... - August 26th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
All i want is abit of magic from someone to get us out of that mess. Torres and Gerrard have done it before bu other players lik Lucas can aswell but we need to give him our support. i mean if we carry on slating him of course he is gunna play bad everyone would even messi would.
So we should support Lucas anf the rest of the team!
One thing i will say is i’m not a big fan of lucas but i hope he will come good!
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Bilge! Gerrard was far worse against AV the other night. Lucas contributed, linking the defence and midfield.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
samlfc you are absolutly 100% correct if the the team play’s badly these so called Liverpool supporters blame Lucas, I hope he make’s these critics eat there word’s come on Lucas I know you can do it, I will support you through thick and thin.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Anyone who went to the Aston Villa game knows that Steven Gerrard was far worse than Lucas. In fact, I would go further to say SG was one of the worst (if not the worst) players on the pitch in that game. If he was a young, inexperienced lad like Lucas he might have an excuse, but for a seasoned pro who will be approaching the twilight of his career in a couple of years his performance was a disgrace. He’s almost certainly sulking because off-field issues – this is unproffesional which is somehting Gerrard has always been. Torres was just as bad with his ranting, arm-waving and diving (and dont give me that crap about lack of service being an excuse for this behaviour), where is the critisism for them – or are they above critisism?
As for Lucas – remember he’s a kid. We all make mistakes when young and nervous and the crowd getting on his back will only make the situation worse. Try to remember that we do not have the transfer funds to go out and buy whoever we want to replace him and whether you like him or not we are stuck with Lucas in midfield and should support him. 12th man? My arse!
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Idiots. If Rafa sells anyone he isn’t going to see a red cent of the money. Why do you think he turned down hertha’s offer for voronin?
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
so much hate and crap on here started by fairclough super knob as usual. we lost to villa 3-1 and its all Lucas’ fault. how about the fact that gerrard was crap doesnt get a mention.
anonymous - August 26th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
No true Liverpool fan turns on the team or individual players .Its not the Liverpool way , we may moan amoungst ourselves but we dont harp on about players in the public domain.
You are not true Liverpool fans
Here’s a thought though, put pressure on the owners, they see Liverpool FC as there own personnel piggy back.
Lets all supporters world wide hurt them were they will feel it, without hurting the team.
Keep buying tickets and watching the team no problem, but cut of all other income streams.
1) DO NOT PURCHASE ANY MERCHANDISE FROM ANY STORES OR ONLINE.
2) WHEN AT MATCHES DON’T USE THE BARS OR THE FOOD OUTLETS
3) DON’T SPEND ANY MONEY ON LIVERPOOL THAT WILL ONLY END UP IN THE HANDS OF THE YANKS.
4)DON’T TAKE STADIUM TOURS ECT!
This will not hurt the team or Rafa the yanks have already taken all the transfer funds, if what is said in the press and on all the forums is true, so this will only hurt the YANKS and scare the banks that back them, drop in income = pressure from the banks
RaNE - August 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
if i can say a word,
why is everyone getting at LUCAS i feel he was unready and brought out too early in the squad feel a loan deal out to a fast league where hell play week in week out will bring the best into and make him half decent.
as for filling lucas void and space in the squad i feel a loan deal for fredico woud be PERFECT BUT … playing him with spearing up in the first squad making them compete against eachother would be greta because theyd both be trying to earn there spot and spearing would improve aot in his pace and ability
Nick... - August 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
spearing pace haa
anonymous - August 27th, 2009 at 3:15 am
anonymous – August 25th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
John USA
Whats wrong lad, have you got Lucas on your new home or away shirt or something !?!
You say about giving the lad a break i wish someone would break his legs so he doesn’t have a chance of being picked he is not good enough to play for us fact, he has played around 60 / 70 games for the club and is still shit we should cash in on him now and drop Gerrard back into the middle with Mascha untill Aquilani is fit.
Your statement about giving Gerrard a kick up the arese is a bit cheeky i think, considering he Gerrard has been the savior of the club on more times then i can remember over the past 8 / 10 years. You could possibly count Gerrards bad games on two hand over the past 8 / 10 years.
I can only remember two games out of 60 / 70 where Lucas has played with the quality that you would expect from a LFC player and that was against the manks and newcastle when we smashed them 1 – 4 and 1 – 5 respectively.
Lucas is just not good enough to play for LFC at this present moment in time !
What a belter you are!
anonymous - August 27th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Pease offload Lucas , Voronin and Babel then we’ll be happy. May be Rafa too as he’s not the like of SAF or AV.
anonymous - August 27th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Lucas is SCRAP!!!!
anonymous - August 27th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Weigh him in
anonymous - August 27th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
cmon b serious u cant sell lucas no 1 wants to buy him he deserves to wear no shirt in football how did he manage to sneak in liverpool sqaud its crazy benetez is crazy wat does he see in dis luccas guy babel is enoying me 2 get da weak out alredy
anonymous - August 27th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
i hate lucas more than i hate ronaldo and drogba!
everytime he puts in a red shirt i just hope he gets injured coz anybody else in the squad would do a better job than him!!
sell him asap and go for van der vaart or johan gourcuff!
anonymous - August 27th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Please Rafa, go get Marcos senna, best suits to liverpool. YWNWA!
anonymous - August 27th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
REDS ARMY FRM SINGAPORE
We in Singapore felt the same way 2…frankly i dunnoe wat on earth rafa look in lucas..dis guy is totally useless & if any of u guys realise wen eva dat moron lucas in the startin line up 4SURE WITHOUT A DOUBT POOL EITHER DRAW OR LOSE A IN A GAME….he’s utterlly a nonsense & knows nuts footballer…i juz cant imagine he cme from brazil!!!!….as we all aware brazilian r the best footballers on the planet….year in year out they’d churn out “real footballers” with high quality talented players….i doubt dis guy lucas cm’s frm brazil….i cldn’t agree more perhaps its abt time rafa check his passport…wat eva it is,PLS RAFA WE IN SINGAPORE BEGGED U ITS ABT TIME U REALISED HE DOESNT DESERVED 2B WEARIN OUR JERSEY!!!!!…..LFC 4LIFE………YNWA…..
Donavan Ried - September 4th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
liverpoodlian – August 26th, 2009 at 3:52 am ……. Cheers mate, was away and got back late last night/early this morning, and have only just read your post ….. Will check it out ….. thank you again
anonymous - March 11th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Being polite Lucas just isn’t good enough….I can’t say he plays awfully cos’ I don’t actually know what he does? He ’s had 2 good games at Liverpool Newcastle away last year when my mother could have looked good in that game and more amazingly against ManU at home this season…..Kuyt has been woeful this season yet these players seem to play in every game. Troubled times ahead ,no money, no chance of even dreaming of David Villa and the like…..finally for all you idiots who want King Kenny back; remember Kenny hasn’t managed for 20 years, quit Liverpool because of PRESSURE when we were the best team in the country and had loads of money! 3 reasons why he shouldn’t even contemplate coming back. But I know that if Kenny is as shrewd now as he was on the pitch he’ll know this himself!.