Liverpool Midfield Duo Miss Fiorentina Trip: Babel’s Chance to Shine?

Hoogleboogybugleboy - September 28th, 2009 at 2:47 pm

I think that Babels 2 goals on Saturday are giving people false hope. His first goal was a good goal but the same cannot be said for his second. For me Babel is just not good enough. A player of his age should know his best position and Babel just doesn’t seem to. I realloy hope that he will prove me wrong on Tuesday night but i won’t be holding my breath.

Ryan Babel - September 28th, 2009 at 3:06 pm

i think that babels first goal was good passing and movement, but if he could the the kind of through balls that torres gets he would be able to score one or two. I would like it to be torres and babel up front because the though tof their pace together could work excellently.

Retryboy - September 28th, 2009 at 3:11 pm

Its not that babel doesn’t know his best position it is that his best position is exactly the same as the worlds best centre forward he is good enough to be his back up but i don’t think he could play alongside him think kuyt would have to take that role and have babel on the right. Don’t believe the mascherano sickness story think his head has been turned by barca and the book should be thrown at them for disrupting our player at the start of the season

Ryan Babel - September 28th, 2009 at 3:14 pm

Yh i suppse torres needs a partner who will drop back and play him through, but i feel that when its torres and kuyt then torres doesnt get the best service because two of his goals v hull were from benayoun playing him through, so we need either gerrard and benayoun to get the best of torres,thats why his partnership with gerrard went so well

saif - September 28th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

if it was me i would play reina

johnson kyrgiakos ayala insua

kuyt gerrard aurelio riera

bable torres

Ryan Babel - September 28th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

yh that looks good but why kyriakos and ayala v adrian mutu

Hoogleboogybugleboy - September 28th, 2009 at 3:23 pm

For me Babel does not have the football intelligence to play up front for Liverpool. Why doesn’t he just concentrate on playing well in a position that he would push for a place in the team in like left or right wing. He has the pace, he has the skill I just think that his attitude is all wrong.
Regarding Mascherano. If the guy is feigning illness, which I very much doubt, then he should be sacked not sold. Maybe his head has been turned by Barca but he is a professional footballer for Liverpool and captain of Argentina so he should act accordingly. I think his performances this season have been dire anyway and in my opinion he won’t be missed. I really hope that he picks his game up and recovers for Chelsea on Sunday.

Hoogleboogybugleboy - September 28th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

Saifg. Are you serious about that team? If you are then I think that you are very lacking in your knowledge of football. That defence would get ripped to shreds by Fiorntina.

Hoogleboogybugleboy - September 28th, 2009 at 3:25 pm

Sorry Saif. I put a g on the end of your name for some reason.

saif - September 28th, 2009 at 3:28 pm

soz kyrgiakos and ayala would be in subs carra and skrtil would be in defencs as for the subs n gog would be another one to put in there

Hoogleboogybugleboy - September 28th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

Yeah right Saif. You put up 11 players in a 442 formation with no subs. Don’t try and wiggle out of it.

saif - September 28th, 2009 at 3:34 pm

well spoted

isaac hunt - September 28th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

when agger gets fit we should try him with kelly who looks very good.we should probably keep carragher or skrtel for now but they have been very poor and we cant afford to give stupid mistakes away against the better teams like they have recently.

———————————–reina

johnson—————-agger——skrtel/carragher———insua

——————————mascherano

babel—————–aquilani (when fit)———————-reira

———————————gerrard

———————————-torres

Retryboy - September 28th, 2009 at 4:02 pm

Massa should be more professional and remember the shit situation he was in at west ham and how is career was going b4 rafa showed a mountain of faith in him he does owe this club a huge debt. Just seems that rafa is battling with him he made him play 90 minutes in the carling cup and the argentines attitude stunk was on the bench against hull and now he is ill just seems like there is more to this hope it isn’t the case. Also does anyone know if being an unused sub in the debrecen game would cup tie him because if not that could explain it if he isn’t cup tied for the champions league his value in january would be a lot more.

Retryboy - September 28th, 2009 at 4:09 pm

Isaac please have some faith in carragher hate the fact that ppl are so quick to right him off rafa has come out backing him saying his fitness and speed tests are better than last year also have said b4 skrtel and carra are 2 similar 2 play 2getha and skrtels positioning causes a lot of our problems get carra back with agger and we will have no problems and skrtel should be jamie’s back up
31 is not old for a centre back as rafa says should still have 2 or 3 years at the top his passion for the club is something we can’t replace

Ash T - September 28th, 2009 at 4:22 pm

i think we should sell mascherano, he is abit inconsistence, but on his day he is the best defence mid.
sell him for about 40-50mill
and with that money buy ashley young – 25mill (the fact that downing as gone there might indicate that young is on his way in the summer when downing is fit)
also get milner for 15mill(villa might get bentley which means milner might be going soon.
then with the 20mill transfer budget we could get veloso or yaya or fabrice muamba to replace mascherano
and with the sales of babel,reira,degen,voronin we could buy a defender to replace carragher (cahill,wheater, steven taylor?)

Hoogleboogybugleboy - September 28th, 2009 at 4:27 pm

I have to agree with Retryboy on this. Carragher will ALWAYS be first choice. The man is one of the best defensive centre backs in World football. He might have made a couple of mistakes and been a bit off the pace at the start of the season but I would bet my house that he will be back to his best from now on. I’m more concerned with Skrtel at the moment.
Also I wiould also have to say that Benayoun and Kuyt would always get the nod before Babel and Riera. I would also put Lucas ahead of Mashcherano at the moment too.

Hoogleboogybugleboy - September 28th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

The official site say’s that Mashcherano has a tight hamstring which could well be the case. He will be more needed at Stamford Bridge oin Saturday so it is probably wise not to risk him tomorrow. Only time will tell if his attitude is right. I’m sure that Rafa will take no shit and will sit him on the bench rather than risk a player who’s heart isn’t in it.

Ryan Babel - September 28th, 2009 at 4:58 pm

is it true that carra and skrtel have swapped positions if so why?

Retryboy - September 28th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

Carra has always played as the right centre back with sami and agger and up until the first couple of games were done with skrtel too skrtel normally plays at the right centre back too rafa decided to change it around if you saw the west ham game carraghers nightmare began because he missed trying to clear a ball off his left foot got caught in possession and hines hit the bar.

Ryan Babel - September 28th, 2009 at 5:44 pm

if we can sort the defence out again and the attack stays the same we could easilly win the league and champions league also the attack could get netter with aqua man

Ryan Babel - September 28th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

yh impressed but just looks like a weaker version of johnson. we could do with a defense minded RB for variety like erm darby

RyanO - September 28th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

I was impressed with Degan as well, he actually exists and wasn’t carried off the pitch! As for Masch, we could be reading too much into this, but it seems his character is not up to snuff thus far. I would hate to think he is going to play games like this until he gets his transfer. Hopefully, this is a precautionary measure as we shouldn’t need him to beat Fio anyway.

Donavan Ried - September 28th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

Evening Ryan Babel,Hoogleboogybugleboy,Ash T,saif, isaac hunt and last but not least Mr Retryboy …….
Hoogleboogybugleboy – September 28th, 2009 at 3:23 pm …….”For me Babel does not have the football intelligence to play up front for Liverpool.” ………. Sorry Hoogleboogybugleboy I have to disagree with you, it’s not Intelligence that Babel lacks it is coordination that he lacks. How many times have we seen him tread on the ball, or leave it behind?…… Even when he tackles someone he often fouls them where he is so clumpsy ……. he is just not good enuff

...samlfc.... - September 28th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

This is by no means his last chance toshine but to prove that the good performance he had in the game against Hull was no fluke this would be a great chance to finally step upwards and become a vital role in our team.
I think he has now built alot of confidence thanks to that performance of his and i think he will do well tomorrow night however as donavan ried correctly said he lacks coordination but i think he could improve on that though

lets get through tomorrow night and think about chelsea!
P.s Good evening everyone!

Retryboy - September 28th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

Evening donovan all the above named and samlfc… I agree it does seem like babel lacks touch and co-ordination can’t see it being down to skill tho with how highly the likes of van basten rated him as a youngster think its been the constant pressure he has felt himself under, to perform or be axed and perform out of position rafa always, always, always takes off the wingers first in the game and kuyt has been automatic choice for rafa on the right for couple of seasons so thats left yossi, riera and babel battling for one spot its like benayoun was always quality only got a real run in the team regularly this year said b4 kuyt is good but shouldn’t be such an automatic choice

Warren Bloggs - September 28th, 2009 at 9:58 pm

Evening all….

My team for Liverpool – Fiorentina match….

(b4 i say to the berk who suggested Ayala? He’s not in the squad!)

…………………………………………………….REINA…………………………………………………..
JOHNSON……………………….CARRA……………SKRTEL………………………..AURELIO
……………………………………GERRARD………………LUCAS…………………………………..
BENAYOUN…………………………………..KUYT…………………………………….RIERA
………………………………………………..TORRES………………………………………………………..

SUBS?

I imagine Babel will come on eventually possibly for one of the wingers or late on for Torres?

Agger could well get a run out?

Voronin or Ngog?

ETC.ETC.

Retryboy - September 28th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

Agger is playing 2moz for the reserves against city gr8 news! Hopefully he can get back to the form that had us all seeing a bit of hansen in him! Ngog is in the line up too which says to me that rafa now sees babel as the back up to torres my team would be reina, johnson, insua, carragher, skrtel, lucas, gerrard, riera, kuyt, torres, babel don’t think its ideal kuyt as the 2nd striker but with no aquilani, benayoun, nemeth loaned out options are very limited only other thing would be to bring spearing in moving lucas and gerrard up a spot

RaNE - September 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm

saif,
ayala didnt get included in the CL squad dont know why though good youth player

as for babel yes he could shine only if hes put up front

Retryboy - September 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

Yep looks like benayoun will be fit to start so would have reina, johnson, insua, carragher, skrtel, lucas, gerrard, riera, benayoun, torres, kuyt do wanna see babel get a game on the right don’t think without mascherano this is the game to try it tho hopefully get a couple up and bring him on for torres up front

saif - September 29th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

liverpool team to play florentina Reina, Johnson, Insua, Carragher, Skrtel, Lucas, Gerrard, Benayoun, Aurelio, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri, Voronin, Riera, Kyrgiakos, Babel, Spearing, Plessis

...samlfc.... - September 29th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

Evening Donavan ried,Saif,Retry boy, Issac Hunt,Warren blogs and everyone else
I would just like to say that how come their is no predictions on fiorentina because most of the time we have a prediction page.
I just want to see what eveyrone think the score will be.

Warren Bloggs - September 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

FIORENTINA 1-1 LIVERPOOL

RyanO - September 29th, 2009 at 8:22 pm

Jasus, the back line is just fucking atrocious this season. Not sure if I approve of trading the stout defending for having the backs bombing up field all game. Hope we can find a goal or two now.

...samlfc.... - September 29th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

Not a good start but never write liverpool off!
remember istanbal and Fa cup final 2006!

...samlfc.... - September 29th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

P.s Evening Donavan ried,Saif,Retry boy, Issac Hunt,Warren blogs and everyone else

Warren Bloggs - September 29th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

Evening Samlfc, I fear that we could be on the end of a very poor result if we do not get our act together at half time. However, i am optomistic that Liverpool will come out at half time and give it a real go.

Fiorentina 2 – 1 Liverpool final score is my bet now.

...samlfc.... - September 29th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

yeah i think 2-1 aswell Warren bloggs

However i’m more interested in the chelsea game in the weekend and if all them chelsea and Man u fans say its cause we’re losing its not as i have said this before already that i want to focuz on the chelsea game more

Besides just wait till the come to Anfield!

Donavan Ried - September 29th, 2009 at 8:46 pm

2-0 down half time …….. Insua having a torrid time, Johnson showing what i nfeared about his denfencive play( Too casual ) Lucas ove rwhelmed …. it is not work ….. take off Emiliano Insua and Yossi Benayoun bring on Babel up front with Torres, let Tores play from behind Babel, Kuyt back on the right bring on Albert Riera left, drop Fabio Aurelio to left back, and Gerrard to the Middle …..get to the ball first and inject some pace into the game …. Rafa needs to do this now now on the 60th minute

RyanO - September 29th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

This result is all thanks to the changing of formation that was, to me, simply inexplicable. Why move Gerrard back in the “hole” and send Torres out up front, alone, just what Fiorentina were hoping for? This shit worked with Alonso, but he’s gone now and someone’s forgotten to scrap the formation. Also, the Brazilian midfield has not worked, at all.

...samlfc.... - September 29th, 2009 at 9:04 pm

This is where Aquillani would of been great cause he knows Fiorentina mroe than any of our team and he knows how the Italin game works but unfortunately he’s injured.

we shold put Babel on with torres as then they can help out each other! plus their pace ca beat the slow Italian defenders its just that we haven’ got the attackig flar going on at the moment

saif - September 29th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

come on liverpool rag florentina at anfield and beat chelsea that will shut every one up and evening every liverpool fan here and by the way your saying liverpool cann’t defend ask what about chelsea will have hilario and turnbull

RyanO - September 29th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

They did deserve it, but the referee was shit. Called at least 3 fouls on Lucas that weren’t. It’s no wonder an English team have never scored there. Shit tactics from Rafa, he’d better get it sorted before Sunday.

isaac hunt - September 29th, 2009 at 10:15 pm

this is the biggest over reaction ever. ok we have players like skrtel lucas and voronin who shouldnt be playing for liverpool but when we have our full team we will be a much better side than we showed tonite. it is only one game and we can still easily qualify because fiorentina are poor away. the only thing that has really annoyed me tonite is why did we play nearly the whole of the second half with 2 defensive midfielders?? no other team would have

Donavan Ried - September 29th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

For those of you out there who do not know me: – I like to think that i am fair in my judgements of Liverpool players and Manager. I do not mind if we play well yet still end up on the losing side(That’s Football) …. I do not like seeing ANYONE cheat …. and i expect to see anyone in a Liverpool shirt have full commitment for the cause ……

Liverpool vs Fiorentina ……

First half we were run ragged, always second to the ball, some of the players(Named above) were less than impressive …. Rafa waited until the 70th minute before taking off Insua and bringing on Babel(only to play him on the right) …. and fisrt real touch he lays it off to Johnson and then falls over ……. The challenge he made in the centre circle typify his clumsiness and over all lack of co-ordination although he did play one good cross in ……

Why take Kuyt off of Voronin???? …….

I was sitting there thinking that someone needs to run at the defence, run pas a few plyers and that would draw players out of positions, and low and behold five minutes later Martin Skrtel does just that …..

I have never seen so many Liverpool players look so jaded …… only Carragher and Kuyt had good games, Torres lack service,Benayoun should have came off half time, and lucas and Insua looked out of their depth …..
Torres was not foul, his complaints were born out of frustation

Rafa has to take responabilty for the team selection and not changing things at half time …… And the Rafa brigade call him “the man for the job” ….Great joke lads, great joke.

isaac hunt - September 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pm

players like gerrard and torres just thought they had to turn up there tonite. they looked like they had no motivation until the second half. we do always seem to have a bad game in the group stage and lets hope this is the only one. we need aquilani and mascherano playing together regulary and then we will see how good we are.

Ryan Babel - September 29th, 2009 at 11:19 pm

everyone cant go after lucas the scapegoat cause the whole team didnt pass,control, tackle , close down well today. their pressure was too much

HartLFC - September 30th, 2009 at 1:31 am

I have sat by and read comments on liverpool and now i have decided i couldnt take anymore Lucas is Absolutely Shit. He cant defend he sure cant attack, hes weak on the ball And i doubt hes ever had a good game. He missed a sitter of a header last night and for everyone that says hes getting better you are blind. Voronin is also shit. babel probaly did more last night in 15 minutes than lucas did all game why does rafa continue to play him…..

Jed - September 30th, 2009 at 5:59 am

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha what a joke….tottenham, villa and fiorentina….looks like liverpools defence cant stand up to HALF DECENT sides, hopefully u can keep putting them past the likes of stoke, hull and burnley!!! cant wait till sunday fags

Hoogleboogybugleboy - September 30th, 2009 at 9:26 am

The only positive is that it is only one away game in the champions league group stage that we have lost and the fact that we didn’t turn up in the first half. Had we have played well and lost 2 nil i would be more concerned. I am also not one to slate players needlessly but i am at a loss to see what the point of Lucas Lieva is. He didn’t do one thing right in the game. He gave away needless fouls, missed a sitter of a header and moaned alot. I will accept that the whole team were dreadfully below par but Lucas just isn’t good enough. I hope to God that Aquilani gets fit soon as Lucas is a liability.

Retryboy - September 30th, 2009 at 9:43 am

Testing

Jed - September 30th, 2009 at 9:51 am

my comment is being moderated like usual….anyhow, i dont think i really need to say anything at all

Retryboy - September 30th, 2009 at 10:02 am

Defence is worst i have ever seen at liverpool carragher is the only defender who can defend. Would rather have darby, aurelio and kyrgiakos than johnson, skrtel and insua at the moment least they know when to attack and when to sit and can cross the ball too. When they do attack lucas is supposed to be filling in 2 good games had us thinking he had turned a corner but was back to being a liability again last night never mind the open goal he missed get him out of the club if massa isn’t fit give spearing a chance for christs sake lucas has had millions. Babel looked quality on the right and kuyt was the only one getting close to torres to offer any kind of support b4 rafa saw fit to take him off. Ditch this fucking 4-5-1 get nemeth back from his Loan and play 4-4-2 we are wasting gerrards talents he would have loads more freedom in a 4-4-2 with mascherano beside him aurelio needs to be in the team if for nothing else he can take corners and free kicks which no one else seems capable of. If everyone was fit would play reina, johnson, aurelio, carragher, agger, mascherano, gerrard, benayoun, kuyt, torres, babel on sunday if agger isn’t fit bring in kyrgiakos. Kuyt up front with torres, babel on the right benayoun on the left

Retryboy - September 30th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Comment awaiting moderation this site is getting really frustrating

Ryan Babel - September 30th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

yh jed FIORINTINA>>>wigan

Jed - September 30th, 2009 at 2:38 pm

hahaha…oh ok..

wigan >> Villa >> Liverpool

hahaha dumb pricks

saif - September 30th, 2009 at 2:55 pm

jed your a jackass when wigan beat chelsea we didn’t see you on here now liverpool lose you come on here and shot your mouth off fucking cunt

Donavan Ried - September 30th, 2009 at 3:17 pm

Something i have been wondering about, why is it that some players i.e. Lucas,Voronin and Babel get given more chances than someone like Andrea Dossena?……. Let’s face it, he has hardly covered himself with glory, but the same can be said for Lucas,Voronin and Babel ……. Like Babel,Dossena has score some great goals (Real and Man Utd), but unlike Babel he has played less games and been given less starts …….. Remember he plays a more left sided midfield roll for the Italian under 21 side, would it not been better for Rafa to have started Fabio Aurelio at Leftback and Andrea Dossena on the Left side of midfield? …….. I truely believe that some of us here could do a better job of managing the team better than Rafa …… I remember watching Arsenal vs Chelsea ( I Think) about four plus seasons back and Chelsea were being over run in the fisrt ten minutes of the game. The then Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho made a dual substitutions in the first ten minutes which turned the game around, something which Rafa could never do ……. So if anybody could shread little on these two points. ………. NB *Please note that unless you posts a reply with your name attached i will not reply or even read it* …….. It will take you around about three minutes to register a name and to get a password

saif - September 30th, 2009 at 3:24 pm

to jed why don’t you comment when chelsea example when chelsea lost to wigan you weren’t on here shouting your mouth off unlike us liverpool fans even though we lose we walk on

Hoogleboogybugleboy - September 30th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

Donavan. If you truly believe that any one who posts on here could do a better job of managing than Benitez then you are living in cuckoo land my friend.

Does making 2 changes after 10 minutes not suggest that the wrong starting 11 was picked in the first place?

I agree that Benitez picked the wrong team last night but one quality a top manager has to have is to be able to make a decision and stick by it. I was shocked to see Aurelio in midfield but I would never be so arrogant as to think that I could do a better job than arguably one of the top managers in World football. It was a bad day at the office. Not one player played well in the first half and that is the reason why we lost.

Red_Phoenix - September 30th, 2009 at 4:23 pm

Can’t say Benitez did much wrong with the players he picked. Not having Masch caused a big problem because Aurelio shouldn’t be in central midfield against good opposition and neither should Lucas. The players were rubbish in the first half and showed they could play in the second. The manager can’t do much about players who don’t want to play.

Jed - September 30th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

sorry saif could i have that in english? fuckn retard….mate i could translate it into indian or whatever you want, but if you take a good hard look i did come on here and cop my fair share…sorry i didnt come on as soon as the game was won and done but i do have a life away from a computer…you really are the dumbest cunt on here saif, you prove it time and time again

Donavan Ried - September 30th, 2009 at 7:35 pm

anonymous – September 29th, 2009 at 10:24 pm …….”as i have always said donnovan u are a fairweather supporter.” ………. Why don’t you grow a set and stop hiding behind that “anonymous” band and post your comments with a name attached. ……. Here one for you, how about “No Mark”? ……. you “In Rafa we Trust” dopey comment, no name posting No mark

Red_Phoenix - September 30th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

I hope when Agger is fit he gets a go instead of Skrtel [if Skrtel keeps fluffing up]. I’ve always preferred him. He seems more assured with his touch, has more of a footballing brain and scores 2-5 goals a season with his ferocious shooting as opposed to Skrtel’s 0. Why he isn’t preferred to Skrtel [when he is fit] remains a mystery. I’m sure i’m not the only reds fan that thinks so.

saif - September 30th, 2009 at 7:51 pm

eny one watching utd match vidich is playing shit even shiter then lucas

Donavan Ried - September 30th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

Good Evening Hoogleboogybugleboy

Hoogleboogybugleboy – September 30th, 2009 at 3:45 pm ……… “Donavan. If you truly believe that any one who posts on here could do a better job of managing than Benitez then you are living in cuckoo land my friend. ” …….. Sorry mate i did not say “anyone who posts on here could do a better job of managing than Benitez ” What i said was “I truely believe that SOME of us here could do a better job of managing the team better than Rafa ” ……. and i stand by that commet 100%

“Does making 2 changes after 10 minutes not suggest that the wrong starting 11 was picked in the first place?” ……….. Maybe it does mean just that, but the point is that he recognized it and and took steps to change it straight away unlike Rafa in the Reading game when he play both Mascherano and Sissoko, or Last night but to name two games. In stead of wait 60-70 minutes into the game, Look at might post half time. I said quote “take off Emiliano Insua and Yossi Benayoun bring on Babel up front with Torres, let Tores play from behind Babel, Kuyt back on the right bring on Albert Riera left, drop Fabio Aurelio to left back, and Gerrard to the Middle …..get to the ball first and inject some pace into the game …. Rafa needs to do this now now on the 60th minute” …….. He made the change in the 70th minute …… What a great Manger

“I agree that Benitez picked the wrong team last night but one quality a top manager has to have is to be able to make a decision and stick by it” …… Yes the mistake was his but he should have done more to mchange things, which is my point about Jose Mourinho …….. Rafa just seems viod of ideas at most of the time …… Were as ferguson,Mourinho and Wenger can bring on the right player and get them to play the right roll Rafa seems incapable for do so, this is note about what players Man Utd,Chelsea or Arsenal have …… What was the point of bring on Voronin for Kuyt???? ….. Riera for Benayoun is what Rafa should have done

...samlfc.... - September 30th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

Evening Fellow named Liverpool supporters like Donavan reid,Saif etc and the anonymous ones

I think we shouldn’t dwell on the awful night we had but focus ou attention to the chelsea game! as i tink thats more imporant.

and Saif man utd are playng pretty bad lol but i don’t care about them although i kind of want Michael owen to do well even if he play for united becuase of what he done for us before he went to Real.

Isn’t it about time we have a new article as we havent had one in ages.

Donavan Ried - September 30th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

Hoogleboogybugleboy – September 30th, 2009 at 3:45 pm …… “but I would never be so arrogant as to think that I could do a better job than arguably one of the top managers in World” ……. Have you ever seen the filmTrading Places?…..When the two brother get Eddie Murphy to take Dan Aykroyd job just to prove if some one who did noy get the breaks found themselfs in a top job that they could do it just as well as the guy who got all the breaks …… The points ithat i am driving at is (1) There are managers out there in lower divisions that if given the chance would do a better job than Rafa Benitez and point (2) there are some people who never got into management that would if they did do a better job, and that includes some here

HartLFC - October 1st, 2009 at 1:24 am

ok. if you had to pick a liverpool starting line up with everyone being eligible to play how would it go

Gk.Reina
cd(L). Carragher
cd(R).skrtel
LB.Agger
RB. Glen johnson
LM… Benayoun
DM Macherano
AM. Gerrard
RM.Kuyt
RF. Torres
LF. Babel

Lucas and Voronin would be nowhere in site Beacuse they are both shit

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 1st, 2009 at 10:00 am

Donavan. Just out of interest. What do you do for a living?

Football is all about opinions and with football everyones opinion is better gthan everyone else’s. I cannot think of one manager who could come in and do Benitez’s job under the circumstances that he has had to endure over the previous seasons and to sayi that there are managers in the lower leagues that could do a better job is nonsense. The clue is in the sentence. “Managers in the lower leagues”.
The reason we lost to Fiorentina was simply that the players did not turn up for the first half. Formations and team selection is irrelevantt if the players picked do not perform. The players have said it themselves.

isaac hunt - October 1st, 2009 at 10:22 am

…samlfc…. – September 30th, 2009 at 8:10 pm

“i kind of want Michael owen to do well even if he play for united becuase of what he done for us before he went to Real.”

what the fuk are you on mate. u must be the only liverpool fan (if you can call yourself one) in the world to want that bastard to do well. i hope his hamstrings tear right in front of the kop and everyone can stand up and laugh at him.

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 1st, 2009 at 10:31 am

Michael Owen is injured again. Groin injury after 20 minutes of last nights game. He could be out for 3 weeks. Just for the record. I would never want Utd to do well in any game so therefore I want Michael Owen to fail big time. It would not be right for him to win a premier league medal with the scum especially if it’s before Gerrard and Carragher..

Ryan Babel - October 1st, 2009 at 4:32 pm

if liverpool had chelseas money we could buy the premiership. i can hardly remember chelsea before that russian git. u racist faggot.

Ryan Babel - October 1st, 2009 at 4:32 pm

if liverpool had chelseas money we could buy the premiership. i can hardly remember chelsea before that russian git. racist.

Donavan Ried - October 2nd, 2009 at 2:49 pm

Hoogleboogybugleboy – October 1st, 2009 at 10:00 am …….. “Donavan. Just out of interest. What do you do for a living?” …….. What it is that i do for a living has nothing to do with my knowledge for football, but as you asked i am a Damp Proof-er
“Benitez’s job under the circumstances that he has had to endure over the previous seasons and to sayi that there are managers in the lower leagues that could do a better job is nonsense. The clue is in the sentence. “Managers in the lower leagues”. ……. OHHHH i see, your one of the :In Rafa We Trust: Bridgade ……. Two points here (1) If a Manager like, Steve Copple,David Moyes, Roy Keane, or a few others had (a) the money Rafa has had and (b) their Clubs had the prestige of a Liverpool of Man Utd you would see how good some of the really are ………. (2) Where do you think that Rafa can from management wise before he was at Valecia?? …… Here a short little histroy of Rafa ………

Born in Madrid, Benítez played football throughout his youth and joined the Real Madrid academy. He mixed his university studies with his football career at lower division Spanish teams but injury caused him to prematurely retire. He joined Real Madrid’s coaching staff at the age of 26, going on to work as the under 19 and reserve teams coach, and assistant manager for the senior team. Benítez moved away from Real Madrid but management spells at Real Valladolid and Osasuna were short-lived and unsuccessful.

Benítez guided Segunda División side Extremadura back to the Primera División in his first season in 1997, but the team was relegated the following season. He left the club, taking a brief break from football before returning to coach Tenerife in 2000. Benítez was appointed coach of Valencia and he proved himself to be amongst the top Spanish managers by winning La Liga in the 2001–02 season—Don Balón and El País named him Manager of the Year. In 2004, another league title and Valencia’s first UEFA Cup made him the club’s most successful manager. However, a disagreement between Benítez and the club director over team investment caused the Spaniard to switch to English Premier League outfit Liverpool.

Seems to me to prove a point ……. Rafa was given a break ….. Oh you might argue that it was because of his management skills why he got that break, but it had little to do with it, it boils down to luck and being in the right place at the right time, and who you know.

Let me try putting it another way….. Those of you who are into horse racing will see what i mean ….. The Jockey Kirran Falon was riding for many,many years without winning many major races, and then all of sudden a then major trainer Henry Cecil Took a chance on him and started giving him some go ride, Falon is now a top jockey with Many top races wins behind him and has been Champion jockey many a time…….

Rafa is still a slightly above averager manager and there are better out there and thats for sure

Donavan Ried - October 2nd, 2009 at 2:56 pm

anonymous – September 30th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Donavan Ried – September 29th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
For those of you out there who do not know me: – I like to think that i am fair in my judgements of Liverpool players and Manager

“Who gives a flying fuck what you think ? Tosser” ……… and i really do not cares what a ball-less wonder like you thinks especially when they do not even have the intestinal fortitude to add their name to their post