Liverpool Owner Sinks to a New All Time Low: Incredible!
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Liverpool’s co-owner George Gillett has reportedly defended his and Tom Hicks’s reign at Liverpool and pointed the finger at the manager, Rafael Benítez, after a disappointing start to the season.
Liverpool’s defeat at Chelsea on Sunday was their third in the Premier League this season and followed a 2-0 reverse at Fiorentina in the Champions League. According to a report in the Daily Telegraph, Gillett pointed to the investment he and Hicks have made when saying the owners were not responsible for any shortcomings.
“We have invested more money than our competitors, in keeping with the history of the club,” he is quoted as telling a representative of the fans’ group Spirit of Shankly last week. “In the last 18 months, we have invested £128m on top of what has come in.
“That means it should be getting better. Now if it’s not getting better, it’s not Gillett and Hicks; it’s the manager; it’s the scouting. You have to make sure you balance out your analysis. There was plenty of money, so if you have any complaints, take a look at the ins and outs.”
Gillett said the £30m from Xabi Alonso’s sale to Real Madrid “went straight back” into Bénitez’s kitty and added to funds of “£22-23m as part of our budgets”.
The American also claimed that Liverpool are “in an extraordinarily good financial position. Far better than Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal.” (Guardian)
This is an incredibly unprofessional attack from George Gillett and one that will not endear him to supporters who already have very little respect for the man. Some things should not be stated in a public forum and those things includes thinly veiled attacks on the manager and indeed the club’s scouting system.
As for the assertion that the club is in a better financial position than the other members of the top four group, well If I had been present I would have asked them in what way they could justify such a statement, to me it just sounds like a soundbite with no validity whatsoever, something I have begun to get used to from our American owners.
YNWA
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anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 11:09 am
When will these guys leave the club! They are blinded if they believe we are in a better financial position than the clubs mentioned, but at least those other clubs (minus Arsenal) have spent a decent amount of cash, whereas we have simply spent what we had to sell.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Yeah that’s right…. rafa out…. G&H forever!
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am
I’m not backing the owners, but look at Rafa for 1 second:
His CL winning team – 90% Houlliers
Let players like Crouch, Keane and Bellamy go
Has stacks of youth and reserve players that don’t get a game
Buys a Greek defender to cover (for lets face it) a few games when Ayala is more than up for the job. £1.5 million spent, plus wages – nice.
Persists with zonal
Has spent huge amounts
Persists with Lucas (I’m not a Lucas basher, but enough is enough). Spearing alongisde Gerrard with Yossi in the hole
Lets Nemeth out on loan and is happy to keep Vorinin?
Don’t get me wrong, G & H have gone about many things in the wrong way and their latest public outburst is out of order (it should be in private). But can we blame them for not throwing pots of money our way when they have been hit by a recession like everone else? They are not Oxfam. Don’t they have a right to criticise if things are going wrong? They own the club after all.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 11:50 am
rafa has come to an end! bye bye rafa
can any one name 10 good players he got us and we still have???????
jimmyk - October 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
1. yossi
2. skrtel
3. reina
4. agger
5. torres
6. johnson
7. masch
8. Insua
——————-
9. nemeth
10. pacheco
there you go dickhead
lets not forget how stevie has developed under him.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
it brings joy to my heart to hear scousers moaning,fucking brilliant
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Why does everyone jump on the bandwagon regarding Lucas. I admit he’s not the best but he must be doing something right. If you look at last seasons big results he played in the majority of them. I remember Ronnie Whelan used to get similar abuse until he retired. How about getting behind ALL of the team. As soon as he makes one bad ball the dickheads start moaning, how’s that going to help? Regarding G&H all they’ve done is given the media more chance of slagging Benitez and Liverpool, well done you pair of pricks.
Dom - October 6th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
It is a bit low, but at the same time they are right
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
actually he is only telling the truth
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Your clutching at straws with Nemeth and Pacheo! But anyway Rafa has had the money and has got a decent team that is simply not performing up to the standards the glory hunters expect.
As for Gillette and Hicks they’ve got rid of Coco the Clown finally and brought in a man who has just signed Liverpool’s biggest shirt sponsorship. If you believe in Capitalism which obviously you do or you wouldn’t follow Liverpool then surely the club is in the right hands.
I’m sick and tired of Liverpool fans singing that the club is in the wrong hands, what next? Are we going to be like our North East counterparts and demand “some oil money man!”. I don’t think so.
Steve Morgan never had the funds and the expertise of the Americans and the Arabs would be great for transfer money but we would still be in the “wrong hands”.
We have lagged so far behind Manchester under Moores and Parry they nearly got out of site. Thy Yanks have breached the Gap all be it slowly.
But at the end of the day, results are simply not going for Liverpool and as the players have not responed to the mini crisis as of yet then the man who takes the blame is Rafa, simple. He continues to play Lucas in midfield, when until Aquilani is fit, Gerrard must play there and Yossi must not be rested. Everyone can see Carra is struggling and maybe needs a break to get himself back in line. Skirtel is struggling at present, a major weakness is his heading ability.
I for one if a few changes are made feel Liverpool can mount a challenge. 6 points behind and we’ve already lost 3 could be worse and Tottenham, Villa, Everton and Manchester City will all take points off the “top 4″. Maybe 8 losses and 30 wins will see the title come to Liverpool. Time will tell!
jimmyk - October 6th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
totally agree – anonymous – October 6th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
i think the actual term ’supporting’ a team is lost on some people.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Let a real scousers own the club, ore even better let all the scousers buy Liverpool FC back from those mad men.
I support Rafa….
The Danish scousers
bod - October 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
I hate to see us washing our dirty laundry in public, again! It’s cringe worthy and not what we’re about, or used to be about.
Hmmm, the haters are just going to love the ammunition from this story.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
there is no mistake liverpool should never have sold alonso. we are week in the the midfield, which once was our best area. we brought in aqilani as his replacement who has not yet kicked a ball for the club. make no mistake though, he is a fantastic tallent with rafa as his mentor he can be one of the best midfield in the world.
rafa has a plan and we should be patient with him. yes liverpool only lost two last season, but man utd lost four, only scored 68 goals and had a worse goal difference than us and still won the premier league. we can still go on to have our best season in two decades. support the club.
the two american muppets dont know what they are talking about they know nothing about football, lets face it dont do much for us financially and o dont even bother to come to our matches. abramovic is always at chelsea lets get on their backs if anything but lets support liverpool footbal club.
YOU’LL NEVER WALK ALONE
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Liverpool aint shit without alonso
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Calvo…
I said this from last season,they the owners have given Rafa a fair bit of cash since they have arrived what Rafa has done with it and the team/squad he has assembled is down to him.
Now everyone can say that the owners were wrong to come out say what has been said but didnt Rafa last season?
So why shouldnt they after all they own the club!
For ppl saying they no nothing about football…who cares!!!
What they obviously care about is a return on their investment and from where they see things at present their investment is not performing well,they are business men who are used to succeeding regardless of what they have invested in,you dont have to like a property in Sudan for example but as long as it gives you a good return your happy!.
Mike Ashley was sporting a Newcastle jersey and look what happened to them would you say he is better then G&H,just because he wore the kit and sat in the stands like them?
You can all moan about the owners but who sends the players out on the pitch with instructions??
Was it not Rafa who told everyone how great the scouts were???
Now im not saying for 1 minit that L´pool are out of the race because there are gonna be alot of points dropped by everyone and they are more than capable of going on a run of unbeaten games but the “we hate the owners” brigade is a bit misguided…remind me who initially wanted to get rid off Alonso until it became apparent that Barry was not gonna sign for you?????
The strangest thing is,is that one/two defeats and suddenly Anfield becomes a slanging match,you guys have one of the best footballing institutes in the world but have zero harmony and that is an ingredient that is as important as ability.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
The problem with G&H is that they are just business men with no interest in Liverpool FC other than how much money they can make on the back of our great club. Rafa is a manager who eats, sleeps & breathes Liverpool FC 24/7 as quoted by the majority of players and coaching staff.
What other big name manager would come to LFC get slagged off by the owners, receive an average of only £20 million a season in transfer funds & yet still keep the club competitive in Europe and in the league?
Rafa makes mistakes as every manager does but he deserves the respect of the fans and the owners. If the owners are correct and we have the Alonso money in the kitty, then expect a massive signing in January.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Our net spend this season is only a few million so if we really do have the Alonso money back in the transfer fund then Rafa must be planning a £20 million+ signing in January. Villa or Silva anyone?
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
jimmyk i dont want you to agree with me you wrong! you could not name 10 players that are good enough to wear the shirt week in week out!
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Gillet is shit right from day 1. Rafa is not perfect. This season’s start hasn’t been encouraging either. Still, I love Liverpool and will back Rafa. Until Hicks and Gillet live up to the promises they made purchasing the club, I don’t care what they say now – it’s still smell full of shit. One simple word to them – go home fucking yankees.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
What’s all the blame Rafa for Alonso leaving comments??
When Rafa was looking at replacing Alonso with Barry it was because Alonso was under performing, for 2 seasons Alonso was poor/average so it was right he wanted to cash him in and spend the money on Barry. If the owners really supported Rafa they could have said you don’t need to sell to buy, let’s keep hold of Alonso for now, here is the money to buy Barry.
The whole scenario with Rafa & Alonso falling out was because Rafa has to work on a sell before you buy policy. What other top managers have to abide by that policy?
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
rafa had a bad start to the season when he sold alonso…but he culd have got so much out of that alonso deal im surprised he didnt make a move for the likes of sneider or robben when they were up for sale..sneijder wuld have been the ideal player to come into our team, strengthens our left side and adds depth to our midfield…
but alonso isnt the first good player to leave that shuld have stayed…somebody mentioned bellamy earlier sure the guy is a knob but who cares when he produces performances like he is doin for man city…imagine him and torres upfront together that culd have been a good partnership…rafa was also too quik to let go of jack hobbs, really was coming along well wuld hav had a bigger role this year with agger bein out for the first couple of weeks..
anyway wats done is done rafa has to start thinkin bout the future of the club..we need to focus on 2 positions striker and also our left side cos riera is shit..
wuldnt mind seein aaron hunt from bremen come in, also canplay for england which wuld help us nxt year if he chooses to play for liverpool and england..and probably james milner who is a fantastic player whos english, can play on both sides and is stil young..those are the 2 players i wuld target in the transfer window in january, at the back we are fine with agger coming back we will be stronger…
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Jimmy K you missed out Reina, one of the best Keepers in the world.
Also the point of selling some of our better players, Crouch, Bellamy, Keane etc, this is because Benitez has no support from the owners and he has no choice but to sell players before he can buy new ones. If they supported him like other owners do such as Redknapp at Spurs or O’Neill at Villa then maybe our squad would be brimming with talent. But Benitez always has to sell before buying, so the squad never really looks as great as most other teams.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Don’t pretend you’re a forking business specialist or economist. Most Liverpool fans are all in a tiffy about our finances, but you don’t know shit about how these organizations are run, and so you think more money just needs to be tossed at the situation. Sorry mate, but what the yanks say is true there. This club is more stable, and it is being run as a long term project. You want the glory years of the 70s and 80s back? That takes a long time, not just throwing heaps of money at players in the short term, which is not sustainable.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
rule no 1: Wash dirty linen inside the house
rule no 2: Wash dirty linen inside the house
rule no 3: Wash dirty linen inside the house
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Rafa is a shit coach, he needs to go if we are gonna win the EPL.
Donavan Ried - October 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
At the end of the day what happens on the pitch is down to Rafa …….. Just how many times has Rafa gotten his tactics and team choice wrong? ……. Can the blame for this be laid at the feet of Gillette and Hicks? ……..
Rafa has been given the money to buy players but has quite often gotten his choice of player wrong. The perfect example is Alberto Aquilani ….
No one can say how good or bad this player will be,But why are we taking unnecessary chances on a player that may never fully recover from Injury?…… And then look at the amount of money he was purchased for…….. When brought him we were assured that he would be fit to play for the Chelsea game, now they are talking three or four more weeks …….
So did Rafa think the first ten games of the season would no count?….. He could have gotten VDV as cover if he was so sure of Aquilani quality, but knew he would need time to be ready …..
Then there is holding on the players like Voronin,Lucas,Babel. These players should have been sold in the last transfer window and replacements brought in or at very least player promoted from the resevres …….
One thing that was evident to a lot of supporters was the need for a second quaility striker. Someone that could play along side Torres and by himself up front if need be. Evident to everybody but Rafa that is ……
Then there is his refusal to consider the like of Podolski
Rafa needs to stick to what he should be doing, Which is win games and cups.
One thing is for sure. That is If DIC were to ever take over and Rafa co-tinued to run his mouth Shiekh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum would get rid of him …..
Rafa and all the fans should stop blaming the owners for the woes of the team and take a good long look at the real problem …… Rafa Benitez
RyanO - October 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Anonymouse, “clutching at straws with Nemeth”? You moron, just wait.
As for Aquilani, I really believe that lad could make or break our season and, by extension, Rafa. If the Americans are, indeed, in this for the long-haul, I cannot see them putting up with Rafa for much longer. Remember, both of these fellows have a background in American sport, where Managers in the various professional leagues average around 5 seasons in their respective positions. It’s a very “what have you done for me lately” mentality and this mentality has certainly infiltrated the ranks of the Premier League. You only need to look at the absurd number of Chelsea managers in the past two seasons to confirm this.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
ONE QUESTION WHO PICKS THE TEAM?
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Exactly.
anonymous – October 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
rule no 1: Wash dirty linen inside the house
rule no 2: Wash dirty linen inside the house
rule no 3: Wash dirty linen inside the house
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
If Rafa went who would replace him?
What top manager would join a club with the pressure to at least finish in the top 4 and have a decent run in the champions league every season without fail.
What top manager would join a club where the owners slag him off and try to replace him behind his back?
What top manager would be happy with a £20 mill gross spend on transfers and sell before you buy transfer policy?
What top manager could deal with the high expectancy at LFC and not crack under the pressure?
At least in Rafa we have a manager who loves the club and is not just a foreign coach happy to pick up top wages until something else comes along.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Make no mistake if Benitez left, Liverpool would fail to qualify for Europe & the club would be in the brown smelly stuff for sure.
The interest payments that G&H have heaped onto the club are nearly £40 million, where would that come from if we failed to get into Europe?
With City, Spurs, Villa and maybe even Portsmouth now all having cash rich owners our place in the top 4 is under threat. A new manager would not make a difference, new owners with lots of money would make a big difference.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
How long is Mourinho contracted for ? XD
RyanO - October 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Jose Mourinho is the taylor made replacement. Not saying sack Rafa, mind you. I’m just saying that’s who would get the job.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Donavan Ried – You state things as if Rafa & Sammy Lee are novices and have no idea?
If Rafa could sign who he wanted without having to constantly balance the books and think about the wage structure all the time I’m quite sure he would have signed a few quality players to fill the gaps as you point out.
Rafa wanted Villa or Silva but the owners said too expensive.
It’s not much point in selling average players like Voronin etc if you only have the money to replace them with other average players, it’s total nonsense.
If Rafa didn’t have to sell before he bought, we would possibly still have Crouch, Keane, Alonso or Bellamy in our squad, but we don’t because the owners force Rafa to sell before he buys.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Mourinho? Are you joking?
He won the prem a couple of times but failed in Europe and he spent over £250 million in 3 years. He would only have £20 million a season from the Yanks, he would walk away after the first season with Liverpool in 6th place saying he had no money.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
The level on footballing intellegence and knowledge on here is really quite baffling.
Rafa spends less that Sunderland, Tottenham and Stoke year after year. The team is so so much better than the one he inherited for a net spend of £18,000,000 per season. He has just delivered our best ever premiership finish which would have won us the league 6 of the last 9 seasons and won two major trophies in that time.
School finished by any chance. Fooking ignorant dickheads.
RyanO - October 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
The number of posts made by those who refuse to register is baffling as well. FYI, anonymouse @ 3:51, read the fucking article and then you’ll know why it’s being discussed you bellend. You’re not telling anyone here anything they don’t know and I don’t believe many are endorsing a sacking. We’re discussing the post put forth and should be able to do so without ignorant anonymouse dickheads coming on here spouting insults and citing facts that we are more than aware of.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I have to agree, all the Rafa bashes have no idea. If it wasn’t for his deals in the transfer market and his abilities as a manager then LFC would be somewhere mid table or worse on the funds available to him.
Spurs, Villa, Sunderland, Man City and others have all spent so much more than Rafa yet they remain outside the top four.
This isn’t by luck or because we are LFC, it is because of Rafa.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
RyanO- you strike me as a little man. If logging in means that I have to chat shite like you then I’d rather not thanks.
Your post is littered with inconsistencies. How can you endorse people discussing the subject and then lament me for doing the same? I see your objective skills are on a level with your spelling.
Your name not Gillette in real life is it?
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
WHO PICKS THE TEAM?
RyanO - October 6th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Anonymouse, you fucking taking the piss? I don’t understand internet shites like you, at all. You come on here, post that everyone is stupid and infer that we shouldn’t even be discussing the topic put forth since Rafa is a magician and then you try to pass that off as discussing the topic?! Of couse, you also have to resort to personally attacking anyone questioning your motive for posting in the first fucking place and then make a lame attempt at a grammar lesson on a fucking football site. You sir, are a twat.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
RyanO- I did not personally attack anyone until you did I am afraid. You are seemingly as stupid as you are hypocritical.
Who is this Anonymouse fella you keep refering to anyway? Any relation to Mighty Mouse or Danger Mouse?
Lol, what a muppet.
RaNE - October 6th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
who would be a good next liverpool manager?
MY OPINION – PEP GIOURDOA cant spell that but anyway. he is a great manger and brings out the best in every singe player THATS WHO WE NEED AT ANFIELD look what he did at barcelona at his first season basically won everything in year 1
...samlfc.... - October 6th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
RaNE i know he is a great Manager but for the time being keep faith with our current one Rafa until he actually leaves
This is not an attack by me but please sign up as its annyoing to compliment o agree with people who are called anonymous so i’m pleading people to sign up!
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
This is ridiculas, your all here slating rafa to death and you call yourself supporters. How many players have we tried to sign and not been able to coz the yanks wont give us the funds?
To all you saying we are nothing without alonso………What is the point in keeping him if he didnt want to be here watch our season turn around when aquilani starts playing then you will all call rafa a genious again.
How can you all sit here and say rafa doesnt know what he is doing? if he didnt know what he was doing he wouldnt be the coach of one of the most succesful clubs in the world he would be sat on his arse like you lot trying act like you know what your talking about.
get rid of the yanks now……..and all you “fans” who are slating rafa you dont deserve to call yourself liverpool fans you make me sick!
Donavan Ried - October 6th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
anonymous – October 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Donavan Ried
Sorry anonymous …… nSure you a great lad and all but just on a matter of principle i refuse to (1) Read and (2) Reply to any and all anonymous post ……
Log in add a name and i will be only to glad to reply
Donavan Ried - October 6th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
RyanO – October 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
RyanO – October 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
RyanO – October 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
RyanO – October 6th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I mhave to agree with all the points that you have raised, especially the third one.
It is all too easy to come here and as “anonymous ” and post insults yet not have the guts to post your name …… I Refuse too Read or reply to anyone not posting using a name
kopman - October 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
anonymous – October 6th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I posted this and thought the laptop would of kept me logged in but it didnt and i ended up being “anonymous” but even though i am logged in now i still stand by what i said you should all be laying off rafa he knows what he is doing or he wouldnt be where he is now. have some faith will you!
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
donavan thats because your a f@ck wit…………haha bet you read this u twat
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Rafa should go back to waiting tables like the fat Spanish waiter that he is.
anonymous - October 6th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
u guys are a disgrace we are only 6 points off top and we have already played a number of difficult teams such as chelsea, spurs and villa ………….. wait until near the end of the season to start bashing the team …..manure had a worse start than this last year and look what happened
Donavan Ried - October 6th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
kopman – October 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm …….Welcome to the site Kopman. Once you log in on site just do not log out ……
Donavan Ried - October 6th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
anonymous ( Kopman) – October 6th, 2009 at 7:04 pm ………. Just because some of us here do not like what Rafa is doing it does not mean that we are not in the true sense of the word “Supporters of the club” or that we do not want what is best for LFC. All it means is that (1) We see things are happening that is not right for the club under Rafa (2) we believe4 that he is not doing a good enough job for LFC or the fans ……. The funny thing about it is If Rafa would have arrived after King Kenny everyone here would see what a average Manager he really is …… but he did not, he arrived are a two poor managers in Roy Evans and Gerard Houllie that’s why people are so willing to forgive him so readly. ………….The other reason is that poeple are frightened that a new manager will come in and sell some of our top players …… I believe that if a new Manager came in he would take a good long look at the team and then sell Lucas, Voronin, Babel Degen, and maybe Dossena …. Something like what Rafa should be doing now ….. And i hope that they would be more flexible in their appoach to games and other teams as well as in the transfer market
“To all you saying we are nothing without alonso………What is the point in keeping him if he didnt want to be here ” ……. Yes i agree with you 100% there is indeed no point trying to keep someone at the club who does not want to be here. But having said that what is the point trying to replace Alonso with some that is injuried and you are not sure if the will fully recover from that injury? ….. besides he had all that time to get a suitable fit, injury free replacement ……..
anonymous - October 7th, 2009 at 2:57 am
I remember the good old days when problems at Liverpool were sorted out behind closed doors. Good times, happy times. Since Tweedledum and tweedledee bought the club standards have slipped. Yeah yeah i know Rafa went public over troubles first with the “I will concentrate on training my team only” interview, but that was due to problems initiated by the Yanks, remember Klinsman anyone? We are not a Franchise, We are Liverpool and Proud of it. If you dont understand that then leave. I only wish Hicks or Gillette would read some of these comments, obviously not the one above about mourinho, and act on our feelings and sell the club.
These are bad times, but the reds will rise through. YNWA
Retryboy - October 10th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Rafa frustrates me think he has made brilliant signings the quality of players at all levels when he took over was terrible and the quality of youngsters is better than it has ever been. On the other side of the coin it has taken him 2 years to realise babel is not a left winger. He has sent nemeth who should be the perfect partner for torres out to athens on loan kept voronin when we should have taken the 5 million hertha wanted to pay for him. Plays lucas every game when he is not good enough, insists on 4-5-1 when the players we have fit are more suited to 4-4-2, sticks with zonal marking and should trim the crap out of the squad allowing younger players to come through still think he will get it right and that continuity in the club is vital just want him to not be so rigid in formations. Somebody said about keane to be fair rafa never wanted keane he wanted barry and if rick parry and the owners had backed him would the loss of alonso been that bad? If we played 4-4-2 it wouldn’t be a problem either tho. Whatever ppl’s feelings on rafa gillett attacking him is ridiculous hope that rafa far outlasts the yanks and its not a problem