Sunderland 1-0 Liverpool Premier League Highlights (Video)

Ryan Babel - October 17th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

that last one was me

...samlfc.... - October 17th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

We lost thanks to a flipping balloon!!!!!! Thats just pissed me off so much
We need Aquilani big time and not to have balloons in football matches

Ryan Babel - October 17th, 2009 at 5:12 pm

i never thought this before now but we need to sell lucas voronin babel and buy players who can actually create something when we need it not when were 4 or 5 -0 up regularly.

Ryan Babel - October 17th, 2009 at 5:13 pm

i hope this shows rafa we DONT have a good enough squad. ARGH

...samlfc.... - October 17th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

I’m won’t be surprised if we get demolished against Man utd next weekend!! Thats how bad we’re playing

Red_Phoenix - October 17th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

That was a terrible performance.

It was also poor managing and/or tactics from Rafa. Don’t know why he changed the formation. 3-4-3 didn’t work for 65 minutes- we couldn’t put more than 2 passes together for over an hour! And Rafa stuck with it giving us 25 minutes to win the game. Fat chance. Rafa did this last year [Portsmouth] and we got away with it because we were playing well and on a run. Getting back to basics with your standard 4-4-2 or even 4-5-1 is the best way to get into a rythym. No one knew what they were doing on the pitch. Its funny how we suddenly started passing and keeping the ball better when we went 4-4-2.

Rafa needs to stop underating oppositon [7 draws] and being such a stubborn git [Robbie Keane, Lucas]. It cost us the league last year.

Retryboy - October 17th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

We have players with flair! Its rafa thats the problem! Christ you pick 5 defenders 2 defensive midfielders how the hell does he expect anyone to score? Every other team in the epl plays with 5 attacking players 6 defensive including the goalie we played with 3 attacking players. Some signings flop for any manager other managers accept it and get rid of them rafa won’t accept it plays lucas week in week out turns to voronin of all ppl to save us? Enough is enough rafa just doesn’t learn from his mistakes he is in a lot of ways more arrogant than mourinho cos at least if mourinho’s line up isn’t right he will change it around after 30 minutes or at half time. Didn’t think it was possible to find a more defensive formation than his usual but he has managed it what is next in his master plan just do away with strikers all together? Have now well and truly had enough trust the players we have think any decent manager could fashion a side to challenge for the title out of them sorry rafa time to go

Aquilani4goals - October 17th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

I am so disappointed ,big shame no happy to be a liverpool fan,how come we have st8 3 defeat….what is the excuse that rafa have to tell the fan….I guess he should think of a reasonable excuse for me there no excuse reasonable for 3 defeat… shame rafa should goooooooooo….are u with me…..he is way off

Red_Phoenix - October 17th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

Retryboy-

Agree with you but who do you bring in instead of rafa

Ryan Babel - October 17th, 2009 at 6:05 pm

i know this is like trying to be a manager this is just the kinda thing i wanna see happen sell voronin,babel,degen,lucas n buy players like:
RB Rafinha ect
ST pandev/aguero/dzeko/zarate ect
LM silva/ a.young/mata ect
RM lavezzi ect
CM hamsik /defour ect
then we would have a good enough squad
——————————Torres—-Gerrard——
–
Silva/Mata/Young———————————————–Lavezzi
—————————-Aquilani——-Masch
insua————————————————————–johnson
————————–agger————skrtel—-
—————————riena
BENCH:
Cavlieri–Rafinha– Hamsik/Defour–Pandev/dzeko/zarate–carragher–Kuyt–Benayoun

doesnt look like the prince will buy just build academies.

Aquilani4goals - October 17th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

somebody should tell me what is wrong wit rafa…he is not even creative this season, will are still feelin the effect of the departure of alonso.no replacement lucas no good at all…formation zero what ia the point of havin a coach who cannot bring the best at of the players

Ryan Babel - October 17th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

im sick of my friends that support man u saying how therethey will win without rooney cause thay have a god squad and well lose without gerrard and torres cause we have a bad quad because theyre right absolutaly right

Aquilani4goals - October 17th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

we need to buy solid players not the one whe have that lack creativity in the field of play….gerard and torres another defeat…aquilani better bit ready before we way of the title challenge..if we dont improve we will face another defeat in champ league…we have to do something fast….. liverpool is going way down down do u agree with me

Retryboy - October 17th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

mourinho does have all the qualities problem is who is going to want the job with the current turmoil behind the scenes. Always rated allardyce myself sure noone else will be on the same page as me here but he plays to the strengths of the squad he has, gets the best out of average players so sure would love to see what he could do with players like gerrard, babel, benayoun who rafa can’t get the best out of and also with no money available his wheeling and dealing skills would transform the squad and he would definitely come for a big club challenge. Ppl talk about the style he played at bolton but that was playing to the squads strength. Newcastle fans didn’t give him a chance because of that and their delusions of grandure while he had a good record there and their saviours keegan and shearer got them relegated also allardyce would commit to a long term project carry on working with developing the youth setup. Don’t expect anyone to agree on this one though.

Red_Phoenix - October 17th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

Recipe for disaster?

Sh*t Owners, D*ck head Manager, Average Squad.

Don’t know what we’re going to do now. Prince isn’t going to invest either in latest news. I’ll support the team no matter what, but Rafa is torturing us

Red_Phoenix - October 17th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

Kevin Keegan as manager?

RaNE - October 17th, 2009 at 6:52 pm

BALLOON, BALLOON

cant beileve we lost because of a balloon that is a joke, we wernt at all playing well and we cant get at rafa with his choices who else could he use and put in to other places

Retryboy - October 17th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

We can’t get at rafa for his choices? 7 defensive players excluding reina could have played Gk-reina RB-johnson LB-aurelio CB-agger CB-carragher CM-spearing CM-lucas LM-riera RM-benayoun CF-babel CF-kuyt a normal 4-4-2 would still have a lack of creativity in centre midfield but at least everyone would know what they are doing and would be more balanced with attack and defence don’t have to be a manager to know if you take out an attacking player like gerrard and replace him with a more defensive player then you have to balance that elsewhere in the team how does adding another centre back do that? Its because of rafa’s belief in lucas we have no creative cover for gerrard anyway.

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 17th, 2009 at 7:28 pm

You lot are a load of cunts. Call yourself supporters. Yes we lost and we didn’t play well but why the vitriol? We have no more right to win the league than Spurs or Aston Villa. Does anyone actually believe that sacking Benitez will suddenly put Liverpool at the top of the league? How are you hypocrites going to feel if we beat Man Utd 3 nil next weekend and you all have to come on here singing the praises and you all will because that is the fickle nature of the hypocritical, glory hunting, part time supporter of today. Support the team and the manager through thick and thin. We win together and we lose together. That is the Liverpool way. YNWA.

...samlfc.... - October 17th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

Hoogleboogybugleboy
Thats what i’ve been doing as i haven’t mentioned Rafa at all……..I’m just pissed off with the balloon/ Beach ball…..it just had to happen during liverpool game doesn’t it!! I thought we played o.k considering that 2 of our best players were injured but we were robbed of even a point thanks to that Beach ball!

I hope we can get our momentum going by Beating Lyon then Man utd

Retryboy - October 17th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

Who really supports the club some tosser who is happy with losing against every half decent team we have played this year because he is so far up the managers ass he can’t see the state our club is in we have a real battle to qualify for the champions league spots on our hands never mind the title. Would rather lose rafa than reina, massa, torres and yes he signed those players its his tactics and his defensive approach that are the problem not his signings we have a better squad than spurs and villa and any other top team you don’t believe in the players i do you believe in the manager i don’t and its not a knee jerk reaction have kept faith through a load of shit decisions, shit formations, shit substitutions and enough is enough you might be happy watching liverpool go down the pan some of us aren’t so once again who is the true supporter here cunt?

RaNE - October 17th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

ano

well sorry for saying balloon BUT THE BALL STILL WENT IN BLOODY BECAUSE OF IT

...samlfc.... - October 17th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

All i care about is why would someone bring a flipping beachball to football match !?!?
Its even worse when that beachball was from your own fanbase! i wonder what that person is feeling right now?

And on to the on going Rafa case……tbh i don’t know what to think about him no more….Thats being honist!

...samlfc.... - October 17th, 2009 at 7:55 pm

Thanks Gunners fan…..welldone on your victory against B’ham

isaac hunt - October 17th, 2009 at 7:56 pm

to all the dimwits and idiots that are saying its rafas fault you need to actually think again. rafa knows the squad isnt good enough and when he is actually given a substancial amount of money he is the best in the business:

alonso= 15 mil
torres=21 mil
johnson=17 mill

we have great players but we cant replace them if they get injured. its not rafas fault that he isnt being given enough money and has to by half decent players for 5 or 6 million. the only thing i hate about benitez is that he constantly plays players like ngog,voronin and LUCAS (even though he had to today). even though babel has never ever had a proper chance it is time to get rid of him. if he went to arsenal he would probably become the best winger in the prem.

most of you are probably half supporters and dont know football. sunderland battered man u last week and deserved a win. now we go there with 2 of the best players in the world injured and you expect to win easily? all this shit that we are a 2 man team is so annoying. EVERY TEAM IN THE PREM THAT HAD THEIR 2 BEST PLAYERS OUT TODAY WOULD PROBABLY HAVE LOST TODAY.

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 17th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

Retry boy. Was I talking about you?

Dave In Ireland here . I said at the start of August that we were going to have a shit season , when we sold Xavi for a bloke that would not be fit until November I knew we were at nothing . I have just watched Danny Guthrie playing for Newcastle , now , can anyone tell me he is not as good as Lucas or “my left foot” Voronin or Babel . We are shite and dont anyone tell me to get behind Rafa . Mourinho is our only hope before United get him in to replace the Govan Bastard.

Dave. Are you for real? What a tragic post that is.

If we beat the Mancs on Sunday, and it is as possible as a beach ball fooling Pepe Reina? I for one will be looking forward to your posts.

Just for the record. I supported Liverpool long before Raphael Benitez and I shall support them long after. Don’t let the disappointment of losing a football match cloud the big picture. Some of the posts on here are filled with the hatred that I hold for other teams not my own. YNWA.

Red_Phoenix - October 17th, 2009 at 8:06 pm

We’ve had five years of Rafa. For most of the time he has been known as ‘the rotator’. He didn’t have all the choice in the world, in terms of players, but seriously, that was a sh*t team he put out today and no one knows why.

To be honest all managers have their hiccups, favourites etc but Rafa is wasting a lot of the supporters time and money. I just hope Aquilani is the key to saving him and the season.

BTW. Anyone who says we don’t need another striker is an idiot. But hey thank Rafa for getting rid of Robbie Keane

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 17th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

Cheer up Kop fans, Liverpool have one thing other clubs envy and that is character. They won the Champions League against a technically “superior” team and I predict they will beat Lyon and Man U. using that strength of character they have always shown. I am a Gunners fan but admire Liverpool as well and know how unsettling talk of new ownership, injuries, managerial issues and transfers can be to players. You are down but not out as the Yanks say (not your idiot owners) and once you find your rythmn again , you can match any EPL club.

Tell this to some “supporters” on here mate.

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

I honestly cannot believe some of the posts on here.

Red Phoenix. What team would you have put out?

How isBenitez wasting your time and money?

So if Aquilani doesn’t score the winner in every game are you going to slag off Liverpool for ever more? If you are why don’t you “support” someone else?

...samlfc.... - October 17th, 2009 at 8:16 pm

I’m really really hoping that todays performance was a wake up call!! The match against Man utd is a MUST-WIN match
I wish Aquilani wasn’t injured…..he could of been so helpful for most of the games we’ve played this season!

I’ll still support Liverpool even if fail to even qualify the Europa cup and even if we get relegated (i hope not but very doubtful)

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 17th, 2009 at 8:26 pm

Most of the posts on here are speculative and negative. Try this one.

We play the Mancs on Sunday and as we all know, anything can happen. We win, lets say 2 1., Next up is Everton. Again, a massive game where anything can happen. Lets say we nick it 1 nil with Aquilani getting his first goal… All of a sudden things don’t look so bleak.

I remember some of the posts on here after the Hull result. Certain people have totally changed their tune, so much so that it is embarassing. Get real people. It is October. When has anything been won…or lost in October.

Red_Phoenix - October 17th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

Hoogleboogybugleboy – October 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

I honestly cannot believe some of the posts on here.

Red Phoenix. What team would you have put out?

Reina

Johnson Skrtel Carragher Aurel

Benayoun Mascherano Lucas Riera

Babel/Ngog Kuyt

Not 3-4-3 where no one knows what they’re doing.

Hoogleboogybugleboy – October 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

How isBenitez wasting your time and money?

Self explanatory if you ask me.

Hoogleboogybugleboy – October 17th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

So if Aquilani doesn’t score the winner in every game are you going to slag off Liverpool for ever more? If you are why don’t you “support” someone else?

50.

I think …samlfc…. – October 17th, 2009 at 8:16 pm said it best when he said,

I’m really really hoping that todays performance was a wake up call!! The match against Man utd is a MUST-WIN match
I wish Aquilani wasn’t injured…..he could of been so helpful for most of the games we’ve played this season!

I’ll still support Liverpool even if fail to even qualify the Europa cup and even if we get relegated (i hope not but very doubtful)

Get my point and/or frustration Hooglebuglegyboy? 20 years buddy, last year was ours.

...samlfc.... - October 17th, 2009 at 8:35 pm

Hoogleboogybugleboy
You have a point there Mate!
We usually get out of messes like this all the time whether its in a game e.g
C.L 2005 final or being realy awful then suddenly we were having a good unbeaten run e.g last 15 games of last season

Am i the only person who is more pissed off with the beachball than Rafa or the team for that matter? I mean he didn’t have the best selection going lets be honist

But fo the beachball incident: It just shows that you should never bring another football or any other object into a match as it could injure people or interfere in a game!! as it proved today

Warren Bloggs - October 17th, 2009 at 8:44 pm

I am disgusted with some of these posts! How can you call yourself fans when you are posting rubbish like the above? I may well be alot younger than alot of the people commenting on here, I never experienced the glory days 20 years back, and have always hoped that at some point in the future I for myself would experience something similar. Yes, we have won the Champions League and the FA Cup in recent years but I can understand fans want more, expect more being reds. But does everyone really think we will acheive this by slagging all of our players and the manager included? Nonsense, no You will never walk alone, that means win or lose we do it TOGETHER!!!

...samlfc.... - October 17th, 2009 at 8:49 pm

Warren Bloggs
I am disgusted with some of these posts! How can you call yourself fans when you are posting rubbish like the above?

Just wondering but was that aimed at me?

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 17th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

I watched the game in Estepona, Marbella, in a Spanish bar with 5 Liverpool supporting mates and I have to say that the “Spanish waiters” who worked there had more respect for Liverpool and our “Spanish waiter” than most on here. Disgraceful.
Yes I am gutted that we lost to a team managed by an ex Manc, yes I am disappointed that we didn’t play well. yes I am disappointed that Reina went for a beah ball rather than a football yes I am disappointed that once again, Ryan Babel didn’t perform. Do I think that the same team playing in the much loved 442 formation would have won? No I don’t. Most of the game, especially the second half, was played in the Sunderland half. What does that say? All of the substitutions made were attacking. In my opinion, the formation and team selection were not to blame. The reason we lost today was because the team did not create enough clear chances. Sunderland did and they scored. that is it. No more, no less.

Red_Phoenix - October 17th, 2009 at 9:06 pm

Sorry mate but MOMENTUM is a key issue in football. We’ve seen it before [Istabul 2005, FA Cup 2006 and so and so on]. The team didn’t know what they they were doing for most of the match because of the formation.

Like I said earlier we only started passing and keeping the ball when we went back to 4-4-2, not the whole half as hoogle suggested. The goal came after 5 minutes from people not knowing what to do in an unfamiliar shape/system. Guess the momentum was against us from there on in.

Retryboy - October 17th, 2009 at 9:22 pm

Rafa has built the squad had plenty of money i believe in the players think we have a great squad but it seems ok to say they aren’t good enough but not to question benitez we have lost against every half decent team we have played this season scraped results against west ham and debrecen. He didn’t believe in bellamy, keane, crouch but believes in voronin nobody answers the footballing points being made why start with 3 offensive players when every other epl team uses 5? Why has rafa got the biggest squad by a mile in the epl when half don’t get any games ever. Why persist with shit players like lucas for 2 seasons. If you have a squad that size why is there no cover for gerrard if anyone says aquilani would be his cover and when he is back everything will be good better that just means with him and gerrard in the team in this 4-5-1 bollocks formation we will have no cover for 2 players and as soon as we lose either of them it will fall apart cos rafa won’t play 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 he just won’t do it he could have had benayoun behind babel or ngog today and it would have worked.

RaNE - October 17th, 2009 at 9:27 pm

is torres and gerrardd back for the manu game?

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 17th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

Red Phoenix. If you really believe that 11 professional footballers at one of the biggest clubs in World football, who are paid upwards of 60,000 pounds per week, don’t know what to do in a 5 4 1 formation then you my friend are seriously misguided. The same as if you believe that the team that you posted on here previously would have performed any better than the team that Benitez put out. Get a grip.

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 17th, 2009 at 9:54 pm

I really can’t be arsed with this nonsense. I’ve got to think about supporting my team in what is always the biggest game of the season. The Mancs at Anfield. See you’s all later.

Retryboy - October 17th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

5 defenders and wing backs was a fad years ago everyone tried it nobody stuck to it because it didn’t work full backs couldn’t physically be a main attacking source and be in position at the other end. Hoogleboy we lost because we didn’t create enough chances does that have nothing to do with benayoun being the only person in the team whose strong point is creating chances? Only himself babel and kuyt capable of scoring a chance must be the easiest job in the world being a defender only having to watch 3 players.

THE BIG I AM - October 17th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

HANG THAT TWAT WHO THREW HIS BALL ON THE PITCH!!!! but seriously even if riena saved that the best we could have hoped for is an undiserved drawer.

We need a seccond striker simple as that, mascherano didnt play cos he came from south america a day before and we need him for midweek and against united same with riera just he didnt travel that far

thers two masive games in a row and he needed to rest some players sometimes youve gota do that!, could have done abit better with the lineup but even if he did put it out a little different i dont think it would have been much different realy, sunderalnd have a good squad there on a high and they were at home!

Its not over yet . . . . we need a good run of wins!! starting with the champions league . . . and against the manks ! ! ! nok them down 3 points. go on a run dont loose again this season and its ours! if anyone can do it its us! bieng underdogs suits us, we were the underdogs in 04/05 at every stage pretty much and we went on to rock istanbul!!!! well get our heads down and go on a streak 5 or 6 wins on the trot and were back in it!! if anyone can do it its LIVERPOOL FC . . . YNWA!!!!!

Red_Phoenix - October 18th, 2009 at 12:15 am

Hoogleboogybugleboy – October 17th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

Red Phoenix. If you really believe that 11 professional footballers at one of the biggest clubs in World football, who are paid upwards of 60,000 pounds per week, don’t know what to do in a 5 4 1 formation then you my friend are seriously misguided.

@Hoogleboogybugleboy

Yeah mate, some of those players are/were shit when we played 5-4-1/3-4-3 [Lucas, Spearing, Kuyt, Babel and though i hate to say it Benayoun], so there’s every chance they didn’t know what they’re doing. Even if they did, seeing as we had some good players on the pitch today, we just came back from an international break, so no real time to train with the system. It takes a bit of time to get used to a system even if you’re getting paid a shed load.

I wont dispute the fact that Sunderland are playing with serious confidence at the moment but thats not stopped us before. We were blown away and that should never happen with any Liverpool team

Truth is we miss Alonso and the back 4 need to gel and fast

Donavan Ried - October 18th, 2009 at 12:25 am

First of all Evening to everyone especailly …samlfc…. isaac hunt, Retryboy , RaNE and THE BIG I AM ……… Notice i did not say “Good” Evening because it is not ……..
Logged on late so i have just read the posts here. I will address the post individually

..samlfc…. – October 17th, 2009 at 5:07 pm ……. “We lost thanks to a flipping balloon!!!!!! Thats just pissed me off so much”………

No mate we loss because of the tactics and formation after the goal we still had 85minutes normal time and 7 minutes stoppage time in which to win this game …… What was Rafa thinking playing a 3-4-3 against Sunderland?? …… Both Bent and Jones are a handful at the best of times. Rafa should know this. And playing Kuyt up front as the lone striker with Babel and Yossi as wingers???…..

Ryan Babel – October 17th, 2009 at 5:12 pm ….. “i never thought this before now but we need to sell lucas voronin babel and buy players who can actually create something” ……..

Alot for us here as been screaming this for ages now ….. before the start of the 2008/09 season Rafa could have made a move for Luka Podolski who had at the time about a year remaining on his contract and Bastian Schweinsteiger who had about six months remaining on his ……we could have paid between £7-£11m for Podolski and have gotten Schweinsteiger on a”Free”, Now no matter what some of you here might think about these two they are a massive improvment on Babel,Lucas and Voronin ……. Did Rafa even inquire about signing them? ……..

Red_Phoenix – October 17th, 2009 at 5:50 ….. “It was also poor managing and/or tactics from Rafa. Don’t know why he changed the formation. 3-4-3 didn’t work for 65 minutes” ………

All too true yet again Rafa refuses to change things even when they are not working, until the 65th minute ……..

Retryboy – October 17th, 2009 at 5:51 pm ……” Some signings flop for any manager other managers accept it and get rid of them rafa won’t accept it plays lucas week in week out turns to voronin of all ppl to save us?” ……….
These players should have been sold on and either bring in new ones, give the young ones a try , or a mixture of both..

Hoogleboogybugleboy – October 17th, 2009 at 7:28 pm …….. ” You lot are a load of cunts. Call yourself supporters. Yes we lost and we didn’t play well but why the vitriol?” ……….

How can you call other supporters “C*nts” and question there support of the club??? ……Do you think that because you have your head so far up Rafa’s a$$ that it makes you are a Loyally supporter??? ……. Everyone is entitled to a opinion and have a right too question, and speak out against the manager if they fell there is reason to ……. You ask them why the vitriol? ……. Ask your self the same question ……..

isaac hunt – October 17th, 2009 at 7:56 pm ……. “to all the dimwits and idiots that are saying its rafas fault you need to actually think again. rafa knows the squad isnt good enough and when he is actually given a substancial amount of money he is the best in the business:”………

isaac. Sorry mate but Rafa as had the money but just spent it badly ……. People use the excusse that ManUtd,Chelsea and Tottenham spend more that we do ……Aston Villia didn’t nor did Sunderland we lose to them.

THE BIG I AM – October 17th, 2009 at 10:35 pm ………”HANG THAT TWAT WHO THREW HIS BALL ON THE PITCH!!!! but seriously even if riena saved that the best we could have hoped for is an undiserved drawer. We need a seccond striker simple as that,”

My Man THE BIG I AM …….. How long have we both been saying this …….Too Long …….Every year Rafa signs players for the future and we rearly see them in first team action before they are sold on. Maybe the onwers shouls use the £20M they are going to give him for the next couple transfer windows to pay off some of the debt and tell Rafa that if he need a player to get him from the reserves

Donavan Ried - October 18th, 2009 at 12:37 am

PS. Forgot this one…..
Hoogleboogybugleboy – October 17th, 2009 at 8:05 pm ………”Dave. Are you for real? What a tragic post that is.
If we beat the Mancs on Sunday, and it is as possible as a beach ball fooling Pepe Reina? I for one will be looking forward to your posts.”………
So If this game has cost us the title it ok, because we beat ManUtd next week????………. what was it you said to Dave? …..”Are you for real? What a tragic post that is.” …..

Retryboy - October 18th, 2009 at 1:55 am

Points rafa needs to get if we have any chance of turning this season around: 1-whatever the formation 4-4-2, 4-4-1-1, 4-5-1 we need 5 attacking players in the line up to break down teams. 2-lucas isn’t good enough 3-babel is a striker or right midfielder not a left sided player thought he had learnt that one given the good substitute appearances on the right but obviously not. 4-voronin isn’t good enough 5-a lone striker needs certain attributes pace being one of them kuyt can be used as a second striker never as a lone striker babel and ngog or nemeth all could do that role and he goes with kuyt 6-gerrard needs more freedom to roam we are definitely not getting the best out of him 7-substitutions need to be made earlier if things aren’t working. Some of these problems have been obvious to liverpool fans for years that is why we have reached the end of our tethers. Course we want to beat united and win every game and the eternal optimist in all of us will have us believing that by next weekend probably like everyone right up until we see his team selection. Look at what managers like O’Neill, redknapp and Wenger get out of far inferior squads

RaNE - October 18th, 2009 at 10:39 am

i just want to say dont rate aquilani as one of our best players after all we dont know his style of play will be like in england he could be a 20mil flop remember keane? dont get to excited because you could be dissapointed me myself is hoping aquil wil be one of our best but im not getting my hopes up

desertfox - October 18th, 2009 at 10:55 am

we have a major defence problem they keep passing the ball to each other in the defence area……wtf

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Donavan Ried – October 18th, 2009 at 12:25 am
How can you call other supporters “C*nts” and question there support of the club??? ……Do you think that because you have your head so far up Rafa’s a$$ that it makes you are a Loyally supporter??? ……. Everyone is entitled to a opinion and have a right too question, and speak out against the manager if they fell there is reason to ……. You ask them why the vitriol? ……. Ask your self the same question ……..

FIRSTLY. WHAT HAVE I EVER POSTED ON HERE THAT SAY’S I AM “SO FAR UP RAFA’S ARSE”?
I HAVE SUPPORTED LIVERPOOL SINCE 1976 SO I HAVE SEEN IT ALL BEFORE UNLIKE SOME WHO POST ON HERE AND AS I SAID BEFORE. WE HAVE NO MORE DEVINE RIGHT TO WIN THE LEAGUE THAN ANYONE ELSE AND UNTIL THE TEAM START PLAYING BETTER, AND THAT COULD BE DOWN TO THE MANAGER WE WILL LOSE GAMES. THE THING THAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF ABOUT SOME ON HERE IS THAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THEIR OPINION,TEAM SELECTION, TACTICAL NOUSE IS BETTER THAN A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL MANAGER. THIS IS LAUGHABLE AT BEST.

anonymous – October 18th, 2009 at 6:02 am

Gooner here:

Liverpool fans need to realise that all the hysterical people posting comments predicting doom and gloom will either

a) Have become supporters last season
b) Be a person supporting another team such as Man U taking delight in your poor form (we get the Spuds doing it all the time – they just love to talk about us)
c) is 10 years old and does not realise that not every club is as rich as Man City
d) Is just an idiot

You had your 4 best players out and you were deservedly beaten. Liverpool are similar to Arsenal last year, they lack depth and have had a bad run of injuries.

You can yet turn it around.

COULDN’T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF. CHEERS!

...samlfc.... - October 18th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

anonymous – October 18th, 2009 at 6:02 am

That speech you done their was not only right but also better than some not all Some of the Liverpool “supporters” have been saying.

Besides Chelsea have lost points, Man utd are unpredictable as are Arsenal so although we lost the game we can stll win the league but to do that we must improve dramtically against Man utd but also do well against Lyon!

Donavan Ried - October 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pm

Hoogleboogybugleboy – October 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pm ……… “FIRSTLY. WHAT HAVE I EVER POSTED ON HERE THAT SAY’S I AM “SO FAR UP RAFA’S ARSE”?”……. Maybe not on this post, but from what i have read preivously from you ……. You also state that “I HAVE SUPPORTED LIVERPOOL SINCE 1976″ …… Well some of us have supported Liverpool longer than that. …..

“THE THING THAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF ABOUT SOME ON HERE IS THAT THEY ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THEIR OPINION,TEAM SELECTION, TACTICAL NOUSE IS BETTER THAN A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL MANAGER. THIS IS LAUGHABLE AT BEST.” …………. There are people out there that had all the attributes to have been great Actors,Lawyers, Footbalers and Managers, but some where along the way they got lost …… The point of this is that as i said before “Just because some one is not a “PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL MANAGER” does not mean that they …… (1) Could not do abetter job. and …….. (2) They they have no knowledge for what they are talking about, or could not do a better job. …….. And from what some Supporters are saying they seem to see the fualts with the team that Rafa either, Can’t or refuses to see himself……

guillem balague muppet - October 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

good lad anonymous@2.01pm its all the owners fault they choose the transfers, coach the team, choose the tactics and pick the team on matchday rafa is unable to motivate his players anymore thats the main problem his time is coming to an end at anfield maybe we can get a manager who wont play 6 defenders in every game

RaNE - October 18th, 2009 at 3:31 pm

gotta agree with donovan

Red_Phoenix - October 18th, 2009 at 5:03 pm

The owners are our main problem though

Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 18th, 2009 at 5:50 pm

Say what you like but I still believe that sacking Benitez at this point in time would be a very wrong move. As someone said previously. There is no one at this club with any football knowledge to choose who would be a suitable replacement. Until the owner situation is sorted out in my opinion there is not a manager of any calibre who would want to come to Liverpool. Not only that but there are not many managers out there that are in the same league as Benitez, he is a top class manager, that cannot be denied. As for motivation. What more motivation should a player need than playing for Liverpool. Maybe Benitez can’t motivate players but Sammy Lee certainly can. I have never read or heard any player or ex player say that Benitez can’t motivate players so all those on here who say this must know something that those players don’t.
As for playing 6 defenders in every game. What a load of nonsense. Glenn Johnson and Fabio Aurelio spent more time in Sunderlands half on Saturday than their own so what does that say? I could go on all night with this as I have said many times before, if we beat the Mancs on Sunday and it is very possible that we will and then we beat Everton the following week and lets say that Chelsea lose again all you moaners and gripers on here would have changed your tune. I won’t have however.

guillem balague muppet - October 18th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

anonymous rafa is paid roughly 5mill a year to make liverpool a succesfull team and hes not doin it so hes open to criticism yeah the owners are muppets but it cant be all there fault

Ryan Babel - October 18th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

Wish we had nemeth to have a go since hes scored 2 in 4 for AEK Athens. he may not be very strong but hes a good finisher.

Ryan Babel - October 18th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

i like that formation idea. until /if aquilani is back and good enough wich im sure he will be.

Donavan Ried - October 18th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

anonymous – October 18th, 2009 at 5:05 pm ….. Why don’t you add a name to your post?…….

Jed - October 18th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

have i not said all along if u get rid of rafa you will be more successful…i know chelsea lost but to lose to sunderland and let them jump you on the table under those circumstances is hilarious…..especially since it was a liverpool fan who threw the ball on!!! hahahaha

Donavan Ried - October 18th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

Just wish to ask one question ……… Is it a good idea to get rid of the Manager now (At the end of the season) , or put up with him for another two or three season even if we know that he is not up to the job?…….. because Rafa just is not up to it ……… we have become a Club that will put up with Mediocre players and managers alike……. People might say that we don,t want to be like Chelsea sacking managers left,right and centre. But at least if they feel that the manager is not up to the task they are quick to get rid of him instead of hanging on to him ….. Chelsea does not want to settle for Mediocrity, and neither should any Liverpool Supporter

Mark G. - October 18th, 2009 at 7:33 pm

Donovan Ried, I just did, moreover, I suggest that this forum should be open only to those that log in. We would avoid from people hiding under “anonymous” nickname. If you have a view(s) that you want to share, have courage to stand behind it. By the way my other contribution is from 6:16 p.m.

Mark G. - October 18th, 2009 at 7:38 pm

Jed, welcome back. Nice assist from Frankie Lampard on the first goal.
By the way, have you discovered who is your daddy , you sick Chelsea puppy.

Donavan Ried - October 18th, 2009 at 7:39 pm

Mark G. – October 18th, 2009 at 7:33 pm ……… Thank you Mark G and welcome to the site …… I totally agree with you last but one comment……

Mark G. - October 18th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

Donovan, thanks for kind words. Well, I believe in Rafa, as a man, and a great coach. In my preferred scenario, americans will be forced to sell sooner rather than later. I f we do not advance out of the group in the CL sooner. The Saudis are smart, they will not overpay, they will wait until the “owners from the US” come and ask nicely for an offer. When the new owner (saudis or anybody else), with deep pockets I hope, comes in there will be money for new stadium, and 5 new players, to fortify the bench. It it happens before January, we can still fight for the championship. We are only 7 points behind MU. I Aquilani turns out well, we stay healthy, we will turn things around quickly. If not, if the partners from hell stay, and not give money to Rafa, it will be a very tough season.
P.S. Considering who Rafa had at his disposal, I did not expext us to do very well. Still, that goal should not have stood.
Anyway, I hope the first scenario prevails and we will share not only the love for our club, but also the respect and understanding for our manager. Cheers from Toronto, Canada.