Former Crap Liverpool Boss Sticks the Knife Into Rafa’s Back
by YNWA on October 21st, 2009 281 words | 55 commentsWhy?
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Former Liverpool captain and manager Graeme Souness pointed the finger at Reds’ boss Rafael Benitez after Tuesday night’s Champions League loss to Lyon at Anfield, while conceding that the team is ordinary without Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres.
Cesar Delgado’s injury-time winner for the Ligue 1 leaders consigned the Merseysiders to their fourth consecutive defeat in all competitions – their worst run for more than 22 years.
Already without injured striker Torres, influential skipper Gerrard limped off midway through the first half.
And Sky Sports pundit Souness – who made more than 250 appearances for the club before managing them from 1991-94 – conceded that without their star duo, Liverpool look a very ordinary outfit.
While he criticised Benitez’s post-match comments, insisting the Spaniard has had more than enough time to turn the club into serious challengers, both domestically and in Europe.
“It’s no good turning round and saying there wasn’t enough money in the summer. What about the previous years?” he said.
“If you have been there for five years you have had the chance to build your own club. It’s no good pointing to being without your best two players.
“Without their top two men the team looked a very ordinary side.
“There was no spark. It just wasn’t there. It was plod, plod, plod. Without Gerrard and Torres there was no imagination.” (Four Four Two)
Why has he decided to stick his nose in? If there is one person who really shouldn’t be getting involved its Graeme Souness who was himself responsible for one of the worst spells our club has ever gone through.
YNWA
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Donavan Ried - October 21st, 2009 at 5:49 pm
“It’s no good turning round and saying there wasn’t enough money in the summer. What about the previous years?” he said.
“If you have been there for five years you have had the chance to build your own club. It’s no good pointing to being without your best two players.
“Without their top two men the team looked a very ordinary side.
“There was no spark. It just wasn’t there. It was plod, plod, plod. Without Gerrard and Torres there was no imagination.” (.Graeme Souness on Rafa) ………..
No matter how good or bad Graeme Souness was as a Liverpool manager, when your right you are right ……..
anonymous - October 21st, 2009 at 5:53 pm
ya thats true indeed rafa should be like Arsen Wanger look at him and his clud he does have enough money to buy any players but he is a smart fellow when ever he sells his top player he always get a good replacement. He is like a chess player always 2 steps foward lol
anonymous - October 21st, 2009 at 6:07 pm
rafa has lost the plot the only player worth talking about that his bought in is torres thats what his got to show for 5 years and in a important game he plays ngog when his got kuyt and babel who have more experience playing SACK HIM NOW
anonymous - October 21st, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Kop King
Why is it that people era hailing arsene wenger all of a sudden i mean arse wipe venger ain’t won jack for thre last 4 or 5 seasons and unlike rafa he has had full control from the off where as rafa has only just gained full control.
I am not defending rafa but we need to be patient as we have no choice i feel.
anonymous - October 21st, 2009 at 6:39 pm
‘No matter how good or bad Graeme Souness was as a Liverpool manager, when your right you are right ……..’
agreed
souness is right
rafa out on sunday
Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 21st, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Souness is right in what he say’s but if Rafa does get the sack. Who is given the job of getting a new manager? Hicks or Gillett? I really trust those two clowns…Not. Southgate is available, maybe we could get him.
anonymous - October 21st, 2009 at 6:45 pm
“Why has he decided to stick his nose in?”
because he is a skysports pundit and was asked a question. what did u want him to say? lick his arse and tread on eggshells like most other so called pundits coming out with cliches like “just going through a bad patch, he will turn it round” or “he is a world class manager who won lots of trophies in spain, we should all follow him”
fact is, he aint wrong in what he said. he has had 4 full seasons to build a squad
anonymous - October 21st, 2009 at 6:52 pm
John Barnes isnt doing much nowadays either
Warren Bloggs - October 21st, 2009 at 6:57 pm
‘…Sack Him!!………………Get Rid of him!!!…………….Sell Voronin, Lucas, Babel, Dossena, Degen, Kyrgiakos, Riera!!……….get rid of the owners!………….get in the saudis!!!……….etc,etc,etc..”’
CHANGE,CHANGE,CHANGE!!!
I hear so much of the word ‘Change’ lately I feel like i am at a bloody Obama conference, or a cheap fake Cameron conference at that! Come Sunday, if we have a much improved performance and hell,,,even get something against the mancs….then i bet everyone on here – excluding Donovan who has always held this stance against Rafa – will come on brown-nosing our manager and players.
Lets be franc whatever we think of our players and our manager what good are we going to do in sacking him?? I mean who will come to manage a club which has such a massive fan-base with un-parralelled expectations, no money, an ‘average squad’, useless owners and a slow off-form back line? Who coinsidently proside in 8th place in the league????????? Gareth Southgate is a shout, maybe Terry Venables or hell if we’re lucky possibly Steve ‘wolly with a brolly’ McClaren, or whatever his name was!
YNWA
Donavan Ried - October 21st, 2009 at 7:09 pm
( Kop King) anonymous – October 21st, 2009 at 6:37 pm …… “Why is it that people era hailing arsene wenger all of a sudden” ……. It his ability to find young talent and bring them throught, and do it for cheapier than Rafa spends
Donavan Ried - October 21st, 2009 at 7:12 pm
I do believe Rafa needs to go,but at the end of the season, no need to add extra turmoil to the club
Retryboy - October 21st, 2009 at 7:38 pm
All the points he made were right. Wenger might not have won anything in the past five years but his bargain hunting has kept arsenal at the top while they funded a new stadium operating with no money in that period rafa has spent 125 million on top of sales. Its the lack of belief in the players body language that is most worrying you’ve got to think if we are confused at best with rafa’s decisions what has it done to the players involved in those decisions and team morale believe we have a good enough squad with a clear out, letting the young players be the back ups and getting a couple of top quality players.
anonymous - October 21st, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Where is Riera? He was in the starting squad most of last year and is one of the few players able to create for this team out wide. Why is he in Rafa’s doghouse while a player like Lucas is continually placed in the starting squad.
anonymous - October 21st, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Warren Bloggs well said man…
its a fucking shambles,shite owners, inconsisten manager (who will never win the league)shite signings, shite injuries, shite everything,
can things get any worse…it will be a miracle if we beat united.
anonymous - October 21st, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Kop King
Arsen wenger took a fair while to implement his style it didn’t just happen over night and what has he had to show for it these last 5 years nothing where as rafa has had a bigger job seeing that he inherited a decrepid side.
So let me get this straight providing rafa brings in young talent regardless of whether a trophy is one or not then that is ok. Very good points made well thought out i think not.
Retryboy - October 21st, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Just not losing against every decent team we play would be a start
Mark G. - October 21st, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Retryboy:
I have read about your sizeable footballing knowledge. Who would you play on Sunday against Man U. I assume Nando and Glen will be fit, Stevie will not. Any ideas about tactics?
anonymous - October 22nd, 2009 at 1:42 am
Bring Nemeth back and give Pacheco a run, if we have no money we may aswell develop the younger players, seems more worth while than having voronin and babel in the side who’ve had their chances and failed miserably
Retryboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 3:19 am
Mark g you seem to think that anyone would want liverpool to fail come sunday i will be behind whatever team he puts out as always hoping and praying that i am wrong and he can turn things around starting with a win over united
Retryboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 am
You do have a foolproof approach though whatever good is done is down to the manager if we lose countless games go backwards then its down to the players, owners, beach balls, injuries, voodoo curses, anything but rafa you won’t accept that he could have got rid of players he doesn’t use in the summer to fund one or two quality additions, made a mistake in loaning out nemeth, persisted in 4-5-1 when we didn’t have enough quality available in centre midfield could have gone 4-4-2 at least till aquilani is fit, his failed wing back experiment was to blame for a lot of goals leaked, has played players out of position do you remember how good babel looked in his 2 sub appearances on the right? Setting up torres to win the game at west ham with a pin point cross looked totally different player then inexplicably back to the left with him, dodgy substitutions, totally negative tactics i don’t slate his transfer record i believe in the squad just think they aren’t managed properly. On the other side of the coin love his commitment and what he has done for the youth setup. Ok we only see players for 90 minutes a week and he sees them in training but maybe he goes too much off what they do in training rather than in matches?
anonymous - October 22nd, 2009 at 5:53 am
rafa still with his honey, lucas to play as playmaker in the center….. lucas is a damn suck
anonymous - October 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 am
i actually hope we lose it. benitez has been to fucking stubborn. no trophies for 4 years now,and hes still stubborn,little cunt. he needs to get burn b4 he learns
anonymous - October 22nd, 2009 at 9:52 am
Dave in Ireland here . Good morning all . Graeme Souness is entitled to have his say on Rafa , after all he won only one trophy less ( albeit only 1 ) He brought through Fowler , Mcmanaman , Redknapp , Gerrard which is 3 more than rafa can take credit for , and generally was under severe medical stress also . He is a real Liverpool FC man through and through and was unlucky during his term there .
Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 10:59 am
So because Souness brought through Fowler, Gerrard and McManaman that makes him a great manager does it? I could have brought those through. What about Spearing, Ayala, Nemeth, Kelly, El Zhar and Insua or don’t they count? As I said Souness is entitled to his opinion as is everyone and he was a legend as a player but he is a failur as a manager and that is not down to bad luck.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 11:00 am
So because Souness brought through Fowler, Gerrard and McManaman that makes him a great manager does it? I could have brought those through. What about Spearing, Ayala, Nemeth, Kelly, El Zhar and Insua or don’t they count? As I said Souness is entitled to his opinion as is everyone and he was a legend as a player but he is a failure as a manager and that is not down to bad luck.
Mark G. - October 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 am
Retryboy: Can you stop your rants and obsessions, blaming rafa for just about everething, it got stale, and just answer a simple question:
Who would you play on Sunday against Man U. to win I assume Nando and Glen will be fit, Stevie will not. Any ideas about tactics? I have read about your sizeable footballing knowledge so it should be easy for you, be a man for a change, put your money where your mouth has been for a while!
Donavan Ried - October 22nd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Retryboy – October 22nd, 2009 at 3:40 am …… WELL SAID….
Retryboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Mark g its not known yet who will be fit. Gerrard hasn’t been ruled out and when it is known will give you my opinion in the team news prediction thread as everyone always does.
Retryboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Mark you know for someone who has such problems with anyone else having an opinion think you are on the wrong site suggest you try the hitler youth/neo nazi sites
Retryboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Hoogleboy agree with your points about the quality of youngsters as you know i have been raving about them all year. Do you think it was a strange call getting rid of gary ablett in a re-shuffle after he was so vital in the progression of these players, won the reserve league and the nationals and has all his coaching licenses don’t know if he wanted to start his managerial career but was a shame to see him go.
anonymous - October 22nd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Retryboy, I slowly formed a profile of you. You are frustrated nobody, who kicked a ball around when young, then tried to get into coaching ranks, maybe at LFC never made it anywhere, and then started hating everybody that succeded. Look at the miror and admit, you are bitter, hateful individual, who at this point homed in on Rafa to make up for your inefficiencies and failures in life. You are capable of speaking from both side of your mouth, when faced with proof of making up facts, you lower yourself to using vulgar, gutter language. You prefer to attack others, than to step up like a man, put suggestions forth and be judged on its merits. I asked you three times a little question about the team for Sunday, told you to assume Stevie won’t be fit, you are still hiding behind excuses and infantile insults. Hitler youth/nazi sites, come on, can you not stick to the arguments on the table. My youngest uncle died in the Battle of Atlantic, the oldest at Arnhem operation, and I still do not respond by accusing you of being a member of the BNP, am I. How can people like you can call themselves the true fans of Liverpool. God have mercy on cowards like you….
Mark G. - October 22nd, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Retryboy, I slowly formed a profile of you. You are frustrated individual, who kicked a ball around when young, then tried to get into coaching ranks, maybe at LFC never made it anywhere, and then started hating everybody that succeded. Look at the miror and admit, you are bitter, hateful person, who at this point homed in on Rafa to make up for your inefficiencies and failures in life. You are capable of speaking from both side of your mouth, when faced with proof of making up facts, you lower yourself to using vulgar, gutter language. You prefer to attack others, than to step up like a man, put suggestions forth and be judged on their merits. I asked you three times a little question about the team for Sunday, told you to assume Stevie won’t be fit, you are still hiding behind excuses and infantile insults. Hitler youth/nazi sites, come on, can you not stick to the arguments on the table. I am not responding to your insults by accusing you of being a member of the BNP, am I. God have mercy on dastards like you….
anonymous - October 22nd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
anonymous: 2:34 pm
I have slowly formed an opinion of you also. You appear on every single board posting inconsistent, occasionally intelligent but predominantly ill informed messages while posing as every suppoerter you could think of. Somehow you have also managed to worm your way into my mind
God have mercy on you/me
Retryboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Ha ha ha you have never answered one point of anyones mark i’m a builder who last played football at school! 15 years ago your pathetic attempt at freudian analysis just proves my point of how up your own arse you are. Bit worrying you attempting to build a profile on me in the first place lol grow up! the god complex comments still stand you fool.
anonymous - October 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Stevono1-
Yes we are going through a really bad spell, but we all need to back rafa. This is not the liverpool way. Fans, get behind the manager and the players. Yes hes made some strange decisions of late but I still believe he is the best man for the job. Just think when stevie , torres and aquilini are back we can easily start putting together back to back wins (liked alberto video looks promising). I have a sneaky feeling we will beat man u on sunday (dont ask me how but i have a gut feeling!)
Besides even if liverpool did sack rafa it would cost millions which we dont have plus whoever came in would want to bring in their own staff 95% of our staff are spanish/argentinian imagine how much it would cost to compensate all of the staff! Take deep breaths – we will get through this bad spell. Come on reds leds be positive!
anonymous - October 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Stevono1 –
Went off on a bit of a tangent their! In reponse to Souey:
keep your fat scotish nose out! Not even a manager! Worse Liverpool manager ever!
Mark G. - October 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Retryboy, it has been obvious from your missives, your education is limited, you hope to excell in the art of gutteral insults. As far as football is concerned, you have very little to contribute, your suggestions are silly or obvious statement of facts, your prejudices are shining through and you are more than willing to lie or twist factsd to prove your point , you hide behind irrational populist statements of simple person, but if it helps you (maybe the only way to get your rocks off) I understand. No courage to take a stand and state your position and you have chutzpah to get personal with Rafa. He is a real man and gentleman that you will never become. I think you would fit well in the BNP, you wouldn’t feel so lonely and angry, consider that laddy…
Retryboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Ha ha wrong again mark like the way you used the fact that i am a builder to assume a lack of education and you call me prejudiced lol nice try but i am grammar school educated. Whilst i was commenting on the stories as always you have launched personal attacks on everyone who didn’t have the same opinion as you. Have never once attacked rafa personally try reading the comments properly or are your rafa tinted glasses hindering you?
Mark G. - October 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Retryboy: The truth is in the pudding, your statements speak for themselves. I am hopeful, that you may write a little more responsibly in the future. It is easy to sense emotions in the crowd, that is desperate to see Liverpool at the top, and became its false prophet. Lets support our team in a way it deserves and needs. The true loyalty leaves no space for personal attacks and looking for scapegoats. May we shake on that.
RAFA YNWA
Jed - October 22nd, 2009 at 4:19 pm
dont lie retry, your a brickies labourer who gets the odd cash job off his mates….a builder wouldnt be able to spend the time you do posting rubbish on this site
Retryboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Wouldn’t be anything wrong in it if i was jed but no wrong answer thanks for playing.
Retryboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Mark i support the club always and rafa is the manager at the moment for better or worse so he has my support. You think he is the best man for the job and i respect that everyone is entitle to their opinion i don’t agree you have to accept that we all want the best for the club and have different opinions on how to get there and of course with our passions so high there will be arguements will continue to call it as i see it but would never boo rafa or our team hold banners to see him out whilst he is manager will support him and pray he gets things right cos if he fails so do liverpool so lets leave it as that Ynwa
anonymous - October 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
stevono1
mark and retry boy there are cheap rooms going in the premier inn. Get one! Dont waste space on the forum with your personal insults.
Speaking off insults – Jed fuck off you chelsea rent boy
Mark G. - October 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Retryboy: Thanks
Jed - October 22nd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
anonymous, im truly insulted by u calling me a rentboy…..u idiot
Mark G. - October 22nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Stevono1:
Seems to me, a better idea, would be you and Jed checking into a cheap room together. Keep your advice for your Mrs., Mr. Grump.
anonymous - October 22nd, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Hi Hoogieboogiebugle boy . The six you named will not play as many games for Liverpool between them as one of the players Souness brought through
Retryboy - October 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Sorry dave agree he has the right to give his opinion as a liverpool great as a player but can he take credit for those players? King Kenny signed Mcmanaman and redknapp in his last season and actually gave Mcmanaman his debut and gerrard didn’t make his debut until four years after souness had left. Only one he can take credit for is the legend that is Robbie fowler
anonymous - October 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 am
alrite seeing as how u wont answer who u will play this weekend il answer it.
—————————–reina(obviously)————————-
—Johnson——–Kelly——————–Agger——-Aurelio–
——————————-Mascherano—————————-
—Kuyt———————————————————-Riera–
———————Aquilani————–Benayoun—————-
———————————-Torres——————————–
right, now i will give reasons for my opinions: johnson is by far better than injured degen and darby is too raw for such a game.
kelly played extremely well against lyon and was our man of the match, agger hasnt done anything particularily wrong so far whilst carragher and skrtel lose out because they need to both see they arent untouchable and maybe will up their game because of it, aurelio seems to do well against big teams and should be about match fit now.
mascherano because otherwise we will have no other holding midfielder which we need against united if we want to keep it tight and lets face it, even an underperforming masch is better than a lucas. kuyt is strong and needed to face evra as we havent a right winger other than babel who can outpace evra and babels to much of a risk as u dont know which babel will turn up. kuyt owned evra last year so its an auto choice for me. riera is the player who will win or lose it this weekend if he plays there. we need a strong and fairly fast winger like him who can go past a player and we will torture whoever plays rb for united (oshea(shit) or neville(worse than lucas)) aquilani is fit and played very well in the reserves therefore should play as we need him ASAP. benayoun i dont think i need to even explain as with torres.
formation is basically how we normally play except one of the defensive mids pushed into an attacking role. my reasons for this are because we dont have 2 good defensive mids any more as lucas is more of a danger to our goal then the oppositions with him giving away countless free kicks and bad passes. aquilanis attacking merits by far excede defensive ones and him alongside benayoun behind torres should get our number 9 all the service he needs.
the only real place i can see people disagreeing here is at the back. yes kelly is raw but was by far better defensively from right back than carragher and skrtel even though they were at center back. he and agger are both players who are strong with pace and are comfortable on the ball. skrtel and carragher have no pace which is why we play a deeper line. with agger and kelly we can play higher and not worry so much. the other place in possible doubt is left back. while insua has played very well and filled in above expectations and is a player i value highly, we need more experience and who is less prone to forward runs and we get this with aurelio. he is needed to mark valencia and keep them quiet down their right wing yet who can still cause trouble if we need to.
anonymous - October 23rd, 2009 at 2:33 am
wow this is as strong of a team as i have seen all season in a positive formation yet still stable. ur reasoning is spot on and i agree with ur comments on skrtel and carragher. i didnt think much about it b4 but now u mention it the left winger for us whoever it is has the most important role on the pitch this weekend as its putting pressure on the scums weakest area. if benitez goes u have my vote for next manager
anonymous - October 23rd, 2009 at 2:37 am
thanks anonymous although i dont think i will do as good a job as benitez can. i forgot to mention subs and what happens if aquilani isnt ready and doesnt play. basically if aquilani cant play then have babel instead and push him up front. we saw how ferdinand and vidic last season are very vulnerable when facing pacy strikers. assuming aquilani is fit our subs are: cavallieri, babel, spearing, lucas, insua carra and skrtel (dunno why but cant remember whether its 6 or 7 subs ur allowed. oh well if its 6 then remove skrtel) i know its not exactly a strong bench but it covers all areas and sorts the problem of the waste of space and wages ukrainian.
Retryboy - October 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Nobody knows yet if johnson, kelly, torres, riera will be fit aquilani will certainly not be ready after 20 minutes in a reserve match in about a year and nobody knows that stevie g won’t be fit. Interesting to see that no matter how much people protest that rafa is always right they always pick a different formation and don’t pick lucas.
anonymous - October 23rd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
well retard boy. do u work at liverpool? no. therefore u arent seeing the full picture. maybe rafa can see something in lucas through working with him day in day out that we cant see. u just dont know. and if aquilani is fit then u never know as we need him asap
Retryboy - October 24th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Point proven by the fact that kelly, aquilani, riera are all unavailable and was commenting on the fact that you didn’t pick lucas learn to read. Playing aquilani after 15 mins of football would be totally retarded suggest you hop straight back on the sunshine bus from whence you came.
anonymous - October 26th, 2009 at 1:47 am
well retard boy. do u work at liverpool? no. therefore u arent seeing the full picture. maybe rafa can see something in lucas through working with him day in day out that we cant see. How prophetic were these words…..