Liverpool Flop Voronin Still Believes He Has an Anfield Future: Why?
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Liverpool’s Andriy Voronin has held talks with manager Rafa Benitez over his lack of first-team football, according to the striker’s agent.
The Ukraine international returned to Merseyside for the start of this season after spending the last campaign on loan at Hertha Berlin.
Voronin impressed while in Germany and Hertha were interested in a permanent deal, but the forward opted to go back to Anfield.However, the 30-year-old has failed to earn regular chances, with David Ngog the preferred back up to Fernando Torres, and he has discussed the subject with Benitez.
Voronin’s representative, Andrey Golovash, said in The Sun: “Andriy has discussed his current situation at Anfield with Rafa Benitez.
“The manager doesn’t argue about his good form but his position is still the same.
“He told us, ‘all is fine, just wait your chance.’ Still Voronin has no intention of leaving Liverpool. He wants to play and prove he can be useful for the team.”
Fresh interest has emerged from Hertha, but Golovash maintains that Voronin does not want to return.
“Andriy is not interested in a move to Hertha. We are not even considering that.” (Sky Sports)
I think that Andriy Voronin is more than a little deluded. He honestly will not earn a run in the first team unless a freak occurrence wipes out every single forward thinking player ahead of him in the queue. His agent talks about his client ‘waiting for his chance’ but when he has had a chance, remember he has been called on as sub on nine occasions this season already, he has done nothing.
The Ukrainian is simply not good enough for Liverpool Football Club, it really is that clear cut. The 30 year old has probably had one or two decent games with the club and that’s out of 40+ appearances in total. Whilst we may not have a great deal of strength in depth in the striking positions it is worth noting that it has never got so problematic to have left Rafa considering playing Voronin and that alone should spell it out clear enough for the former Bayer Leverkusen man.
Perhaps it is just easier for all concerned to cancel his contract and allow him to just leave the club because it appears that even Hertha Berlin, the club who took him on a successful loan period last term, don’t want to stump up anything in the way of cash for the ponytailed flop!
YNWA
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anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Somebody needs to tell him he’s shit
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
He’s shithouse, make him get a bloody hair cut and send him on his way to Berlin !!!
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
I think once again YNWA you are spot on. Think about the work rate and effort the likes of Ngog put in and you can see the potential, then you have Voronin, a 30 year old who has never proved himself at the club, why does he even think he has a chance of getting a regular game is beyond me.
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
He’s better than Ryan Babel so perhaps Babel should be sold first or maybe offer a buy one get one free sort of scenario.
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Babel should be in the starting 11, he has so much potential, hes a striker not a winger..
Reina
Johnson Skrtl Agger Insua
Yossi Mascherano Gerard Aurelio
Babel
Torres
** By far our best 11, At Ajax Babel was a one out striker and was dominant hence why Arsenal wanted him before we bought him, up front he is a younger version of Henry !!
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
When the hell is Aquillani going to make an appearance ???????
RaNE - October 27th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
two weeks hopefully
...samlfc.... - October 27th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Aquilani has player for reserves so probs by Fulham he could play and i don’t usually say bad things about liverpool players but he is an exception…..Voronin is crap
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Babel is a striker. Babel has so much potential. Blah, blah, blah. Babel goes to the same training sessions as the rest of the players and staff. Do you not think that by now he would have fulfilled this so called potential and at least commanded a place as a regularly used substitute. For me, N’Gog is miles better and has proved it, that is why he gets the nod before Babel every time. As for babel being a younger version of Henry. You are right on one thing, he is younger but that is where the comparisons end. Babel does’nt have the ability or the attitude to play up front or anywhere for Liverpool fc. This is my opinion after nearly 3 years of watching the frustrating Ryan babel.
RaNE - October 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
he is ok, he just cant get suited to the english style of playing he plays in a slower tempo. If you watched him in pre season he played mostly in midfield and to be honest didnt do a bad job at it
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Babel has proved in the pat that he has potential remeber the arsnal game in the chapions league. he score a oal and won us a penalty. H just needs some regular games, like lucus he has had a good run of games and he is showing his potential. Babel is strong, fast and can produce bits of magic. Voronin however, has got to go, he is not even worth putting on the bench.
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
As i said before. Babel has not fulfilled his potential. He obviously has the wrong attitude and this is affecting his game time. I have yet to see anything that say’s that Babel should warrant a place in the team. He is quick but he does not use his pace to gain an advantage. He is also strong but again, this gains him no advantage. Maybe it is a confidence thing but look at Yossi as an example. He is neither quick, nor strong but he is 10 times the player that Babel is.
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
And whats happened to El-Zar is he ever gonna play again???
Retryboy - October 27th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
If rafa trusted voronin or babel they would have got a chance recently think they are both on the way out rafa is still gonna tell them they are part of his plans though just in case they are needed. Why would we cancel his contract when we can get a transfer fee he scored 11 goals in 20 games for hertha last season it was only because rafa told him he was part of his plans he decided to stay if he makes it clear he isn’t wanted in january a club will take him.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 27th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Anon 12:14, 12:34 and 12:56 were all me but for some reason i wasn’t logged in. Just for the record.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 27th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
El Zhar is injured.
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Hooglebooy = raging Homo
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Oh really didnt know he was injured, looking forward to him getting back into it hey…
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
C’mon play nice guys we’re all fans here……
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I am nice the hoogle guys the Fag with no football knowledge !!
Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 27th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Maybe we are all fans here but some people are just low life, uneducated morons who get their kicks from insulting people internet forums and do it hiding behind anoymous posts.. It’s a sad reflection of society today.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - October 27th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I can’t remember which game it was but El Zhar injured himself trying to do an overhead kick. But again, El Zhar is an option to be used before Ryan Babel in my opinion.
Retryboy - October 27th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
I know he was injured at the start of the season but thought he had recovered now not sure. For whatever reason babel won’t make it at liverpool i think its because of being played left side all the time i haven’t got any doubt he will go on to be a world class player elsewhere though.
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
El Zhar before Babel you must be kidding. If Babel was at arsenal now he would be world class. No young player at liverpool has done that well apart from Insua.
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
What happened to the Matias di federico comin to liverpool he looked awsome.
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
voron is worse than babel
voronin should leave now
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Much worse that Babel.
Retryboy - October 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Sky sports say that hertha still want him and will bid when the window opens
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Babel under Arsene Wenger would become the new Henry.
dave - October 27th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
would prefer ngog to play over voronin anyday ngog is young and getting better with experience,voronin should be in the best part of a striker’s career,unfotunately he is not,hence the reason why he does’nt get played,sell him as we have 4 strikers in torres,kuyt,babel and ngog,then there is always gerrard to play there also,i also think nemeth will be in the first team next season
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
SELL HIM!
Retryboy - October 27th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Good call dave still think ngog needs to develop physically for the single striker role but he has all the attributes to his game. Voronin hasn’t got the pace for the epl and some of his shooting is tame to say the least. Nemeth is going to be a star no question!
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Benitez has said aqualani will come on as a sub tomorrow
Mark G. - October 27th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
When arguing your point you don’t have to call a player, shit, crap etc. They were wanted by our club at one time. It is life, some players will prove to be good or great, others will fall short, and I’m sure will be rather unhappy about it. If you can’t help yourself, and you have to use street expressions, save it for members of your own family and maybe for yourself. If you want others to repect our club, you have to show the way.
YNWA
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Face!
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
MARK G -> i have no FUCKIN clue who the FUCK you are and i really do NOT care but all i can say is that i have the ULTIMATE respect for you after readin your post because the posts above just made me realise that so much ignorance and silly attitude is among us. I dont want lucas to be like gerrard, i want him to be BETTER than gerrard. i dont want voronin to be like torres i want him to be BETTER than torres. this is how we should support our players. NEVER blame the players or the manager, Babel doesnt perform here, maybe in another team hel be the new henry. Voroning proved in Germany what a GEM he is for german style of football ! Cumon lads. YWNA
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Did you see Voronin after Ngog had scored? With all the bench bouncing about he sat with his arms folded, showing no passion for the cause. This is what he is worth to us and maybe Rafa see’s the same during training too, he is not here for LFC he is there for himself.
Please leave
Donavan Ried - October 27th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Rafa needs to make it clear to Voronin that his future in football lies elsewhere …… That what a strong manager should do
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Above comment is bollox
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
What we have to relise is that we aquired Voronin on a free so it would have cost LFC signing on money and wages.
Now if Rafa had the riches or the finance to buy someone with world class quality he would have done a deal to get Rid of him.
I feel for Rafa because at times he is restricted because of our history and the owners this neans that if we value aplayer at 3mil you can bet he wont go fo Ten mil this is bacause we are victims of our own success.
Voronin dose’s have good game intelligence but he aint a natural goal scorer and lacks the fight and passion. That is what frustrates us fans. Now before any one comes back and says we signed Johnson and Aquilani for big money them deals were structured as we was owed money for Crouch.
I’m led to believe that we have only had to put down small stage payments over the course of five years for he aqa man due to his injury.
As for babel we hope his potential talent comes to the fore.
Y.N.W.A
Pete
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
I hope he realises he has no future here like Dossena recently admitted. I respect Dossena now.
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
i remember you punks sayin yossi was a good player bt not someone fit 2 play 4 liverpool and yet just hear the points he’s getting for his performances. the same was said wen Voronin had just come in the side and now you say he’s crap. really? There’s a reason rafa still has him around. He would have gone in the summer bt rafa said no way, so why dont u punks jst cut the guy some slack. You said the same about lucas, but now yo realising wat Rafa has been saying all along? Just let the guy be. I would say that you support him but i guess thats too much 2 ask
anonymous - October 27th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I think Voronin is a good player…. otherwise he would never have been braught into the team in the first place. Unfortunatley for liverpool he is just not suited to play in the premiership!
Babel needs to be given his chance! a proper chance! in the correct position…..he is not a left winger. Rafa should put him upfront as a supporting striker and say to him – go on son, prove your quality to us! If it turns out that he is no good by the transfer window, then at least he had his chance and can be let go for somebody better when the window opens.
monsta01
Retryboy - October 27th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Some really funny posts here anon at 5.00 you agree with mark g yet you start your post with the same language he was complaining about!?! You then go on to say you want lucas to be better than gerrard and voronin better than torres. At least lucas is early 20’s so it is physically possible but gerrard is the best in the world and with all the will in the world lucas hasn’t got the attributes doesn’t mean he can’t be a valuable squad player but voronin better than torres?! He is 30 torres 25 most people on here have just stated quite rightly that we have better, younger options and he hasn’t got the pace for the epl. Anon at 7.09 which decade are you posting from lol calling people punks? Loads of us have always said that benayoun was quality and couldn’t see why he wasn’t included more don’t understand your point yossi has played well consistently voronin hasn’t adapted to the english game and hasn’t the pace. If rafa thought he had a future here he would have been turning to him as soon as torres got injured. Have said before as well people wouldn’t have been on lucas back so much if he had been used as his abilities merit a squad player not a first team regular and after a year in the team thats all people still see him as.
Aquaman - October 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Greetings all
The only reason that I can see for Voronin not having been sold to Hertha during the summer is simply because we cannot afford to replace him. There were no free transfers that we could realistically consider during the summer (Owen I hear you cry, at his wages he’ll never be a real free transfer). If Rafa had sold him to Hertha (likely for 3 mil) then who could he have brought in to be our 3rd?
The youngsters I hear you cry. I for one feel that they need to be slowly brought in first. If Torres and N’gog get injured this week (god forbid) then dumping a Pacheco, Amoo, or Nemeth in the deep end would (I feel) be too much for them. And don’t talk to me about Babel. I’ve seen him duff more chances to score than N’Gog has had shots. And N’Gog has still scored more! Babel lacks the composure to ever be a good striker (my opinion obviously).
Because of the above, we need a third option. And while Voronin may be poor, we don’t have to buy him because we already have him. And that makes him better than any other option available out there at this moment. We’ll talk again once we have cash to spend.
Mark G. - October 27th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
The beggars can’t be choosers. Voronin still warms the bench, because we have better options now, and it was in the interest of the club, to bring him back as a cheap insurance. Had Hertha paid what Rafa was asking last summer, he would be long gone. With David Ngog improving and impressing with his attitude, his chances of getting more playing time, are not v.good.
I asked about Nemeth earlier, do we have an option of recalling him in January? Would you rather leave him in Athens, where he would be playing much more than at home. He shows his age, in his last league match he “created a miss of the year”.
More I watch Angel di Maria, more I regret, we didn’t manage to get him. Benfica paid only 8M € for him. He would fit right in on our team. Can attack from either wing, very accurate passing, even into congested areas, heart of a lion, great shot, good tackler. How I wish I was a fly on Rafa’s office wall to find out about our efforts to get him and other goings on. Should we get a new head scout in Argentina?
Babel, just to be sure we are not erring on him, and to satify legions of his indomitable supporters, could we play him, just for one time sake, against Arsenal as a striker?
Aquaman - October 27th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Good call for Babel tomorrow Mark G.
As for Nemeth, I doubt it. It seems fairly clear that he was part of the negotiations for Kyrgiakos, so I think they would call foul if we tried to haul him back early. Its a strange situation for me. I hope that Rafa gets the dosh to buy another quality striker, but at the same time I hope not. N’Gog is showing huge promise, and Rafa’s lack of options is allowing the youngster to flourish. I just worry that he’ll drop to third choice and get forgotten if we buy another. 3 strikers is enough for LFC, its just a pity that its not worth replacing Voronin unless we buy someone better than N’Gog is now.
Retryboy - October 27th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Nemeth turns 21 in january owen and fowler were 17 and 18 when they made there debuts he is class a natural goalscorer and don’t forget that a pre-requisite of the single striker role is pace i am on the other side with babel but can see where you base your argument from i won’t argue the point now as i want to see him given a chance on the right not up front. still rate voronin as our 6th choice for the single striker role 1-torres 2-nemeth 3-ngog 4-babel 5-kuyt 6-voronin
Aquilani4goals - October 28th, 2009 at 12:07 am
we need class and voronin is not,my opinon..babel can improve only is he put his mind to it..I wish i was babel i will be improvin my football skills with the reserves instead of warming bench .. do you guy agree with me..after scoring goal for reserves this will help his confidence
Retryboy - October 28th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Really interesting article on liverpool-kop.com/2009/10/hicks-gillett-truth-about-liverpool-fcs.html analysing our debt situation and who is to blame few basic points out of it top fours total debts mu-£210m liv-£227.5m ars-£280m che-£616m the difference being the amount having to be repaid this year ars-£80m che-£105m mu-£146m liv-202.5m put down to the global economy at the time. Far from bleeding liverpool dry our turnover is massively inferior on average over the last 5 years mu-£256m(£15.5m profit pa) ars-£222m(£0.5m profit pa) che-£210m(£84m loss pa) liv-£162m(£5m loss pa) this really does all point to the blame being with the previous owners failing on the merchandising front and as the article points out christian purslow is working hard to get that turnover up makes really interesting reading and and maybe hicks and gillett aren’t the devils the media portrays
Donavan Ried - October 28th, 2009 at 2:22 am
Y.N.W.A .anonymous – October 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm ……
Beside the fact that he is crap If(lets say) that he is on £40k a week he cost us £2m a year in wages, when his place could be taken by the likes of Pacheco,El Zhar or Nemeth which means LFC save £2m a year and gives one of the youth a regular spot in the first team …..
Still say we should try and swap Babel for Gibbs (Arsenal’s second sting LB) he was great for them when Clichy was injured, as real speed and pace unlike Insua……. Do get me wrong Insua is good, just that we should always have options
Donavan Ried - October 28th, 2009 at 2:32 am
Mark G. – October 27th, 2009 at 10:44 pm …….”Had Hertha paid what Rafa was asking last summer, he would be long gone” ……… Mark, lets say Rafa wanted £6m but Hertha only wanted to pay £4m ….. Lets us also say Voronin on £40k a week (£2m a year) lets also take into acount that we go him on a free …… taking all this into account Rafa was crazy not to sell him ……
anonymous - October 28th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Yossi was garbage his first season with us. He was a huge letdown. Voronin wasn’t too bad his first year. Kuyt was our main striker with Bellamy in 06/07 and we still finished 3rd. It’s not that these are bad players, but as time goes on, certain players step it up and some slump. That’s footie; that’s life. Kuyt is not a natural right mid. He should be used as a backup to Torres. Yossi is an excellent backup to Gerrard. We still need a first team right mid, left mid, and SS who can hold up the ball. Certain players don’t gel with certain teams. Voronin, Babel, Robbie Keane, were/are failures FOR LIVERPOOL, not necessaily anyone else. Let’s not denegrate these players just because their styles don’t merge with Rafa’s strategy.
Mark G. - October 28th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Donovan, first of all, at the end Hertha only wanted to take him on loan , so it wasn’t they were offering 4M, they were offering 0, I’m sure Rafa would have jumped at 2, 3, never mind 4 M, if he sent him away on a loan, he did not have another free agent waiting at the door, and in his incredible wisdom Rafa decided to keep him. It’s beyond me, why would anyone waste time discussing this, unless they are running out of reasons to criticise Rafa for. Mr. Pony Tail is not going to play large role in the team’s future. I would rather, you told me, if you know anything about how we lost or didn’t get Angel di Maria. Misses like that decide championships.
Retryboy - October 28th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Even says in the original article that hertha wanted to take him permanently suppose sky sports are lying as well as me? rafa wanted to keep him because he was impressed with his goals return in the german league 11 in 20 thats why he was saying he was like a new signing should have gone off what we have seen in the epl, made it clear he wasn’t needed, snatched the money out of their hands and kept nemeth no hindsight there either been saying that since the end of last season!
anonymous - October 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Mark G good post and you are correct.
Donavan
In response from pete Y.N.W.A you know nothing you are just anti Rafa this manager is one of the best and knows what he is doing. pacheco is only a kid and too small for the premership yet El zhar if you remember was injured in pre-season who has still not played a game yet. Nemeth he has sent him out on loan for experiece and also to create a value should he play really well. (Rafa is playing a very shrewd move with this one) Voronin is merely an internationa squad player who shows good movement and game intelligence but he couldt hit a barn door.
I bet you just watch liverpool on the television for which there is nothing wrong with that but when you watch the reserves and the First team live quite regular you look at the playing situations differently.
Give this manager a chance he knows what he is doing
anonymous - October 28th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
ITS DIBBLER
Evening all just wanted to say all those idiots who think babel will be Henry if he was at Arsenal come and get him then i will drive that no good lazy looser to the stadium myself he is crap full stop im sick of hearing about his potential there are footballers captains for there country and winning the world cup at his age how long do we have to wait for potential!!!!!!!!!!! and dont even get me started on voronin we should sell him to lincoln town and he can sit on the bench there.
Donavan Ried - October 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Mark G. – October 28th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Mark. Three things (1) … The topic thats is up for discussion is Voronin
(2) It was widely reported that money was being offered
(3) now sure if this is aimed at me ….”unless they are running out of reasons to criticise Rafa for.” ……… I do not need to look for reasons to criticise Rafa, he does a great job of giving everyone the reasons in the first place, thank you ……….
“you know nothing you are just anti Rafa this manager is one of the best and knows what he is doing” ……. Does not seem that way to me or a lot of people that post here. Nor did it seem that way to the supporters that boo his sub’ of Benny for Voronin ……..
anonymous – October 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pm ….. If this is not aimed at me then i am sorry …..
“pacheco is only a kid and too small for the premership” ……
Too Small???? …….. So was Micheal Owen,Gianfranco Zola, and Juninho who played for Middlesbrough as for beind a kid, so was Micheal Owen
Mark G. - October 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Donovan Ried:
1. “It was widely reported that money was being offered” has as much reality and truth in it as “It was widely reported that Donovan Ried will become the next coach of Liverpool”. You can’t rely on every piece of gossip reported in the rags.
2. The jury is already out on Voronin. Wouldn’t you rather discuss players with a future at our club. Stop whipping the dead horse, it won’t win any race anymore.
3. To put it bluntly, you are not fit to carry a jock strap for Rafa Benitez as a manager, as a man, as a loyal servant of the club You are sinking deeper and deeper into a quick sand of negativity and nihilism.
4. People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones. Translation: Don’t critisize others obsessively if you aren’t perfect.
Respectfully yours
Mark
Donavan Ried - October 29th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Mark G. – October 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm ………… ” The jury is already out on Voronin. Wouldn’t you rather discuss players with a future at our club. Stop whipping the dead horse, it won’t win any race anymore.” …….. Yes you are right, but please show me were i have ever advocated keeping Vorpnin on this site ……..
“To put it bluntly, you are not fit to carry a jock strap for Rafa Benitez as a manager, as a man, as a loyal servant of the club You are sinking deeper and deeper into a quick sand of negativity and nihilism.” ………
What’s the matter. Someone doesn’t lick suck up to Rafa like apparently you do and all for a sudden you say that they are not a man compered to your “savior” Rafa ……. Could tell you where to go, but will not lower myself to your level …….
And before you come out with thatm old BS about “no true fan”, Two things
(1) Note i have never said i was a “FAN” of Liverpool. Fan being short for Fanatic. I have always refured to myself as a “Supporter” …….
(2) for someone to claim that others should get behind the club and support it why then are you and others here claiming to be “Proper fans if you are constantly moaning about the owners?…….. REMEMBER GET BEHIND THE CLUB ……… hypocrite
unlike you, i know that Rafa is not right for the club, and as i said before you and some others here are content with beating Man utd, and as long as Rafa gives you that scrap from his table you will follow him loyally like some mutt and defend him no matter what ……. He has done some good things for the club, but he has had his time.
” People Who Live In Glass Houses Should Not Throw Stones. Translation: Don’t critisize others obsessively if you aren’t perfect.”……..
Here’s another one for you …… Practice what you preach
anonymous - October 29th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE TO KEEP HIM CAUSE WERE SKINT
Mark G. - October 29th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Donovan Ried:
Thanks God, jackasses do not rule the world. However you are trying to twist this, you are a victim of your own limited intelligence and hatred for a very smart and noble man. You are not in his league, one day, maybe, you will understand that.
As someone earlier suggested you should move your blog, that has been focused and limited to Rafa bashing, elsewhere. It got very stale.
Donavan Ried - October 29th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Mark G. – October 29th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
“Donovan Ried:
However you are trying to twist this, you are a victim of your own limited intelligence and hatred for a very smart and noble man.” …….
I’m not trying to twist anything. It is clear what you said as i believe i was also clear what i said …….
I don’t need to play “victim” here ….. It is not me how should consider move my blog. This is a site where people post there options, not a “we Love Rafa” site …..
It funny how when your options on Rafa gets chelleged they resort to name call ……..
I stand by everything that i have said in the past …..
Retryboy - October 29th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
This is ridiculous people should judge each point on its merits not pick a side and use each story to argue their point
Donavan Ried - October 29th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Retryboy – October 29th, 2009 at 8:28 pm …….. You know something, you’re right …..Thank you for pointing this out to me …..
...samlfc.... - October 29th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
well said Retryboy!