Lyon 1-1 Liverpool Champions League Match Ratings and Analysis
by YNWA on November 5th, 2009 631 words | 98 commentsReds undone by last gasp equalizer.
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Now its not all doom and gloom and many will have you believe that we are sinking further into the abyss but that would be a harsh assessment of the tough 90 minute assignment that so nearly bore fruit.
Lyon knew what game to play, the needed a point and they played in a very organized and focused manner, quite removed from their excellent counter attacking style they produced at Anfield. Rafa played his hand and went for Andriy Voronin instead of Ryan Babel, which is a bit like a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. You can’t fault Rafa for his game plan and had we put away the fairly standard chances the likes of Kuyt and Voronin had, then we could have got that vital first goal a lot earlier.
I have to say that the referee did all he could to make the game a stop start affair, blowing his whistle at the merest hint of a challenge. Our re-shuffled back four did okay for the best part of 89 minutes and Daniel Agger and Sotiros Kyrgiakos did a pretty decent job of shackling the Lyon frontmen. Gomis also went down with alarming ease far to often, I mean the guy is build like a brick shithouse but he fell to the floor whenever anyone came near him.
I was impressed by Michel Bastos though who was giving Emiliano Insua a hard time. Lucas continues to impress and has started to be far more effective with the ball and his passes from the midfield were assured and a million miles away from last season’s displays. Javier Mascherano was also trying manfully to build a wall against the Lyon midfield and did a decent job.
Our misfiring Ukrainian now appears at times to be trying TOO hard, and nothing is quite coming off for him. He really doesn’t look good enough to start for us and I think his days are numbered. El Nino tried manfully to lead the line and put in a physical performance and led from the front but couldn’t make things happen and was for the most part not getting the service he needed.
If I had to make any complaints about Benitez’s tactics it would be that he could maybe have taken Andriy off at half time and I am not sure of the wisdom of taking off Fernando Torres for the final five minutes. Now I understand the idea of resting him but couldn’t he have managed another 5 minutes? When he went off I was thinking to myself “If Lyon score we are screwed”. These are of course petty little niggles and not really proper criticisms as I felt that Rafa played the right game and we just came undone in the final minutes when our defence switched off (there was also a suspicion of a handball before the goal).
Ryan Babel of course scored a blinder but then summed up his time with us that two minutes later he attempted a shot on target that ended up going off for a throw-in. He showed in one split second with that arrow straight finish just what he is capable of and it really is time for him to get his head together before its too late.
Lets face it we now need a miracle and have to hope that Lyon give a damn when they face Fiorentina in the next round of games but all in all other than some of the recent performances, there is not really much you can fault the lads and gaffer for.
Reina 7
Agger 7
Kyrgiakos 7.5
Insua 7
Carragher 7
Benayoun 7
Mascherano 7
Lucas 7.5
Torres 7.5
(Ngog) 6
Voronin 5
(Babel) 7
Kuyt 6
YNWA
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anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Reina 7
Agger 5
Kyrgiakos 8
Insua 8
Carragher 7
Benayoun 7
Mascherano 9
Lucas 9
Torres 7
(Ngog) 6
Voronin 1
(Babel) 7
Kuyt 6
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Why has Kyriagkos got 7.5. He played ok when not under pressure (which was most of the time) but the two times he needed a bit of a football brain and some awareness, he bottled it. I don’t blame him for the goal, that was a culmination Agger being too confident, Babel not pressuring and them sticking the big lad Cris up there.
We deserved that game big time last night. I’m so sad that all the media are interested in is Rafa’s head. Alot of you guys on here seem to be anti Rafa but I just can’t see it. Last night he was in control of players positions and tactics, both of which were spot on. He can’t control wether Voronin scores or not but he can tell him when to run and what positions to be in. I agree that he isn’t as good as Babel but Rafa was again proven that Babel is better as an impact player rather than a starter. I’d sooner have Babel come on in the last 20 mins with his pace and shooting ability than Voronin with his ponytail and er….
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 5th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I thought he team played well last night and controlled the game. Lyon couldn’t get a look in until their goal. Some people have been slagging Lucas but last night he had a really good game, as did mashcherano. It’s fair to say that Lucas is not athe creator supreme but that is not his game. Babel showed that he is still very inconsistant, he scored a great goal and then put a free kick out for a throw in on the opposite side of the ground and shot wide when through on goal. Voronin tries hard but is short on confidence because I think that he is out of his depth at LFC. We can take heart from the performance and lets hope that the Lyon boss is true to his word and they play to win at Fiorentina. I still believe that we can win our last two games but if we do go out, it won’t be a disater as we can regroup and push on in the league and try and win the FA cup.
Aquaman - November 5th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Great article YNWA. Really top class. You’ve encapsulated my feelings exactly. More of the same, please!
Now player ratings are always going to be subject to opinion so naturally I don;t agree on every front. Here’s what mine would have been:
Reina 7 (had little to do but dealt with some very awkward moments)
Agger 8 (Cool calm and commanding at the back. Guess he’d be my man of the match.)
Kyrgiakos 7 (Did well until the 89th minute. Dodgy back pass earlier, but nothing came of it)
Insua 6 (Still occasionally falls asleep and lets people run past him. Did little else wrong in defense but lacks quality in his crosses)
Carragher 7 (Not my first choice for back-up right back, but did the job manfuly.)
Mascherano 6 (People say he had a great game but I didn’t couldn’t find him for most of it.)
Lucas 7 (The back 4 and Lucas saw by far the most of the ball. Good display in defense but we do need someone to help us going forward, and Mascherano can’t do that, so…)
Kuyt 6 (Ran around like mad but contributed little. Overhead kick and that little chip were both half chances well executed. Pity about the goalkeeper)
Benayoun 7 (Remains our most creative player. Didn’t get as much of the ball as I would have liked. Would have been best in the middle, but injuries prevented that)
Voronin 5 (Ah, Voronin. Tried really hard but had some woeful touches and tried to push through brick walls. Broke more plays down than he created)
Torres 6 (Should have scored. Game would have been completely different if he had. Looked threatening when he got the ball, which was rare and too deep more often than not)
(Ngog) 6 (Um… I think Torres saw as much of the ball on the bench as N’Gog did on the field)
(Babel) 7 (Great goal, but arrogance took over afterwards. Freekick out for a throwin, appalling corner, and a shot snatched well wide.)
Donavan Ried - November 5th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Reina 8: Did nothing wrong
Agger 7:good game
Kyrgiakos 7 : overall good game
Insua 7: solid game but lacking in the speed department
Carragher 7 : poor Jamie, lacks the speed
Benayoun 6.5 : ok performanc
Mascherano 7:Good usual game
Lucas 7.5: Hard a good game
Torres 8:Worked hard but no real supply
(Ngog) 6
Voronin 4 : why is he still in a Red shirt???
(Babel) 6.5: Great goal, but is poor player
Kuyt 8 : work hard as usual
Retryboy - November 5th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Lyon were terrible and we did deserve to win reina-7(did everything with so much class) carragher-6(tried really hard but hasn’t got the skills of a full back) insua-7(great combination with benayoun crossing was terrible though even the ones that luckily created chances)
Agger-9(great performance) kyrgiakos-6(2 big mistakes ruined a good performance) mascherano-8(typical performance)
Lucas-7(very good and unlucky not to score) benayoun-6(didn’t get enough of the ball to really run the game) voronin-3 (nothing went right missed the easiest chance terrible) torres-6(battled hard wasn’t at his best though) kuyt-5(looks so slow at the moment didn’t do a lot right) babel 7(worth that for the goal should have got himself another) rafa-7(didn’t get a lot wrong just playing voronin in the hole, playing voronin at all moving carragher to right back and should have bought on aquilani sacrificed lucas gone for it a bit more game was crying out for him 2nd half.) Wasn’t this performance or result that has got us in trouble by any means its whats gone before.can see us going on to win the tournament if lyon can do us a favour they have to play better than they did last night though. worth a flutter to me will get great odds.
Ian-Rushs-Tash - November 5th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
dooooomed
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Watching last night’s game was like kissing your cousin. Lyon came with serious intent to do nothing and they succeeded perfectly. Liverpool meant to win and they almost did!
Individually, every REDS player did their best and the game should have been Liverpool’s after the first half. Carragher is clearly showing his aging legs, but valiant heart, El Nino was always dangerous, Voronin was like a blond tank but with only 1 gear (forward) and no armament for his cannon, Kuyt and Benayoun buzzed around the field like a 2-man swarm of wasps and harassed the Lyon midfielders but were never still enough to threaten the Lyon goal. Babel was the semi-invisible man, popping into existence at the right moment but then disappearing for extended lengths of time. Kyriagos bullied the Lyon attackers and Agger manhandled their front line with ease but both got sloppy at the end. Reina was sleepwalking most of the time but had complete control of the game, despite conceding THAT goal.
All in all a pretty efficient display from liverpool but also symptomatic of the Kop’s ills this season, which now places them in a precarious position for further European League advancement…which will disappoint many people, including me.
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
i think it a bold statement to say we’re gonna go on and win it! its not impossible but i think the odds are against us unfortunately, i was really pissed off with rafa for his lack of ambition he should have taken voronin off a bit after half time and thrown babel on and really pushed with babel-torres-kuyt up front insua playing left mid and yossi on the right playing with 3 cb and maybe brought on aqualani for lucas for the last 25mins
Retryboy - November 5th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Just saying that lyon still want to finish top to get an easier draw in the next round and if we could pull off a great escape would be so typical of us to go on and win it especially as the big players will be coming back. It all depends on lyon but being qualified doesn’t mean they have nothing to play for would be handy if the other big teams top their groups so there is a big incentive in finishing top.
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Lyon were very unlucky not to come away with the points
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
reina – 7
insua-7
carragher-7
kyrgiakos-6
agger-8
mascherano-8
lucas-7
kuyt-6
benayoun-7
voronin-5
toress-7
babel-8
babel showed that he has the quality unlike players like kuyt and voronin and should be given games to seize his chance. couldnt help laugh at his free kick attempt after the goal!!
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Good article YNWA.
After heavily criticising (and rightfully so) your ‘Ten Ways Rafa Benitez Can Save His Liverpool Job’ article yesterday (yes, I was anonymous – November 4th, 2009 at 5:04 pm) I have to say well done for this. This was a relevant article, well written and you constructed all of your points well. I would have to add that I completely agree with everything you are saying as well.
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
the players nedd the “fight like dogs” mentality which i tink is severely lacking
Retryboy - November 5th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Think the article gives lyon far too much credit, they never closed down anyone gave us so much time and space we should have created much more chances than 3 and if benayoun was the one linking midfield and attack we would have done. Everyone knows voronin isn’t good enough just hope benitez has learnt that finally.
saif - November 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
we despertlly need aquilani to be fit for the rest of our europe matches and lyon manger has said to rafa that lyon will try to win against florentina if they do then game on and if not europa league
John - November 5th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
great article YNWA however just a few points to make. we were lucky to get as much as we did out of torres considering he still is effectively injured. i think the only reason voronin was chosen is because it seems pretty obvious from reading between the lines in some articles that voronin is bitchin that he isnt gettin any opportunities to prove he isnt just a bundesliga player and can make it at liverpool. he has now had numerous sub appearances and now 2 consecutive first team starts and still not proven himself to be a quality player, quite the opposite i feel. i wouldnt be surprised to see other players get the nod ahead of him now he has disproven himself. finally i think that agger was very good last night and should have easily gotten at least a 7 rating with extra credit for playing even though not fully recovered from hes back injury. kyrgiakos on the other hand worried me as he was very far out of position a hell of a lot and for no real reason or benifit. then i started really worryin when he so nearly gave lyon a goal with a dodgy touch near the end of a game and was saved face by reina. he then went to try and slide the ball when he should have just muscled the lyon man off the ball and effectively cost us the match. for a 6 ft whatever massive greek dude he seemed worryingly weak and i would have given him a 6.5 rating until he made those 2 big mistakes which for me makes him our only weak link other than voronin. 5/10 for kyrgiakos for me
John - November 5th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
in fact my ratings are more or less the same as anonymous – November 5th, 2009 at 2:15 pm.
kuyt at the moment is just giving us nothing. the fact he works hard is absolutely worthless to anyone if he is as bad as he currently is when he gets the ball. in fact the last few weeks i feel he has been a liablility due to losing the ball way too much and putting poor quality passes and crosses when it matters.
@Donnovan: ur ratings show a personal bias against certain players which isnt reflective of the actual performances. for example u give kuyt a high rating when he did nothing all night except ran around aimlessly giving the ball away and missing a stand out chance. u also give babel a very low rating even though the only 2 things he did wrong were a poor delivery from a free kick and missing a shot at the near post. i would have agreed with you if u had said he is occasionally a poor player or that he is inconsistent but he has shown on many occasions the player he can be and as soon as he scored the goal he was all over lyon like a rash because he had some confidence.
Donavan Ried - November 5th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
John – November 5th, 2009 at 4:16 pm ……. John. My rating for babel was quite high considering his time on the pitch ….. Poor, control, Poor first touch, clumys in tackles ….. Can understand why the LFC coaching staff do not work harder with him to improve his ball control and tackling ……
Retryboy - November 5th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
John- agree with your assessments of kuyt, agger, kyrgiakos think voronin and kyrgiakos were played though because rafa always goes for experience he should put quality over experience though.
Retryboy - November 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
a lot of babels mistakes in touch etc… Stem from desperation in trying to prove himself and being played out of position epl defenders know what he is looking to do on the left because he did it in his first season they just show him outside and he is forced to go down the line onto his weak left foot or try and bundle his way inside. on the right he looks good can go outside use his pace got a good cross on him and having him for quick counter attacks would be such a weapon(champions league against arsenal) only thing is rafa plays kuyt because of his defensive abilities and expects the full back to provide the width. Don’t think barnes or Mcmanaman were ever picked for their tackling back skills.
...samlfc.... - November 5th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Babel’s goal was a scorcher and our team played very well
i watched the game yesterday and it really amde me tihnk about what we need to have in our team:
Striker – 7-15 millon (bangs in some goals but creates loads others)
and Right winger – 12-20 million (Kuyt is good but we need someone who is fast and can whip a decent cross all the time)
The again Kuyt could be our second striker as he he score a few goals when played a striker but he creates aswell!
But the transfer window is still months away so i’m going to say play Babel upfront alongside Torres, Aurelio left wing and keep kuyt as right wing until Jan and put some youngsters on the subs bench!!
But overall a god performance in which we should of got 3 points with!
isaac hunt - November 5th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
donavan ried
how can you give babel 6.5???
he scored one of our goals of the season and special players can score goals when needed. you say he had a poor game but was i the only one to think that he looked one of our main threats.
john is right when he said you favour certain players. how an earth could you give kuyt 8? you cant give someone 8 for working hard. kuyt is not good enough to play for liverpool. he just has no spark and never ever scores a quality goal or takes players on. he is an average player whereas babel does have that bit of the unexpected and can score belters and take players on. i admit that he doesnt do it enough but maybe beause he hasnt had the chances that kuyt has had. players dont like to defend against pace and and strength and which one of them has both?
Reds Lewis - November 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Aquilani can play the “in the hole” positon….I beleive he showed that he was good enough when he came on against arsenal in the carling cup…and altho he might not have been fit enough to start…I think he should have played the entire 2nd half instead of voronin….
Voronin, really needs to just go.
He isnt good enough to play in the first team at all.
Hes shit.
Quite how he scored 10 goals or whatever it was last season amazes me….Id rather have seen ngog play than voronin any day of the week if aquilani wasnt going to play there.
Once the transfer window comes there are 2 players we should definately be offloading….
Voronin – 3-4m (for some strange reason he does well in Germany) Hertha even offered 6m for him….should of bitten their hand off
Dossena – 4m (Never really settled and IMO surplus to requirements)
thats 8m…. in total…now who could we get for 8m that would make a positive influence to the team? Most people on here say we need another striker that can fill torres’s position when injuired and provide support…
Pavyluchenko (8-10m) Seems surplus at white hart lane
Jo (12-15m) A good striker and powerful too….altho his everton exploits would probs rule him out
Pandev?
There are oprions available that wont brake the bank but are effective and an imporvement…..
dave - November 5th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
what is the point of giving the .5 in the ratings?
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
as for me LUCAS is currently our best playa, had he scored…
kyrgiakos is d worst defenda in d entire universe i’ld hv prefered to see ayala or any reserve player
voronin has always been a shit head wasnt surpriced dt he missed our best chance of the game,arguably
(it was just him d ball n d keeper)
though babel scored he will continue to b an underperformin playa..tke a look at his freekick..disgusting
kuyt talks a lot on the press on the pitch wsnt impressed with him at all
benayoun hmmm just dint get enof balls
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
benny mcarthy is about to leave rovers
would be a cheap stop gap solution
Warren Bloggs - November 5th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Good performance from the lads created chances, but should have finished them. Ryan Babel’s goal was the best i’ve seen so far this season but this doesn’t mean he suddenly becomes a superstar he must start to perform reguarly in the prem as well:
Reina – Great display by are no.1 keeper, he was calm and assured and saved a Lisandro Lopez shot at point blank range in the 2nd half, couldn’t do anything about the goal. (8)
Carragher – Personally, i would have played Darby at fullback and paired Carra with Agger but hey-ho. Good display in this makeshift, tried to get forward as much as possible but lacks the neccesary qulaities to play full-back, Lisandro gave him a torrid time. (6)
Kyrgiakos – An assured display and his best in a red shirt so far, looked good partnering Agger in defence. Rafa was forced his hand with all of our injuries but no complaints a good 80+ mins before being one of the culprits for the late equaliser. Let his guard down late on. (7)
Agger – A brilliant commanding display and seem to be the one of the only distributors of the ball. Great defensively and classy going forward, deserved a better result after his display, proving to be our best centre-back. Was unlucky with the late goal as Sotiros was more to blame. (8)
Insua – Much like Johnson he seems to be good going forward but complacent defensively. Not the best of games as he was out of position at times in the match. He tries to help out in attacks but couldn’t really get that final ball right, but a decent display in all against one of Lyon’s top dangerman, Bastos. (6)
Lucas – Is really improving all the time and had a very good game for the most part. Granted he is getting a lot of stick but this is mainly due to the fact that he isn’t creative. Although as a defensive midfielder he is looking better all the time. Good performace, well done. (7)
Mascherano – Was at his brilliant best last night breaking as much of Lyon’s attacks as humanly possible. No doubt he is not an effective playmaker but as an anchorman he is world-class. Great game. (8)
Kuyt – Ran an awful lot as usual but gave very little going forward, He really does need better players around him to get the best out of him. With both he and Carra our right side was lack of pace and any imagination. Not his best performance in a red shirt. (6)
Bennayoun – Seemed to be praised an awful lot for not really showing up??!! No doubt he is one of our best performers on his day, but never really was got to show his best qualities against the stubborn Lyon defence. Far better than the Ukranian waste and should of been playin gdown the middle supporting El Nino. (7)
Voronin – Well, why does he still play for us? He seems to leave his best football in Germany, never really ever performed considerably in a red jersey and never will. Failed to finish a sitter last night and his touch was awfull. Wasted countless set-peices and was the missing link between a solid midfield and a frustrated Torres, how different would the result have been if Keane was playing instead? The sole reason for us failing to kill the game off and must go now (i hear hamburg are interested). (4)
Torres – Not much supply last night, although he managed to still threaten the french back-line on occasions. Could have done with a better supllier than the awful Voronin. Still yet to hit top-form due to injury last night was a subdued display. (7)
Subs-
Babel – Came on for the awfull Voronin and should have really played more of this encounter. Goal was taken superbly getting past his man and rifling past the outstanding Hugo Lloris. Unfortunately, his arrogant side shined through shortly after with a rushed free-kick. Still he proved to be more creative then his counterparts and really threatened Cris and Toulalon late on. (7)
Ngog – Came on for Torres late on who seemed un-pleased at the decision, with only 5 mins of football and cannot remember if he even got a touch? Silly and un-neccesary substitution. (N/A)
Aquaman - November 5th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Wow. Been a quiet day. Guess everyone is suffering from the Champions league hangover.
...samlfc.... - November 5th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
My ratings are pretty much thesame as Warren blogs if i’m honist lol and Aquaman it is pretty quiet actually if i’m honist lol
Donavan Ried - November 5th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
isaac hunt – November 5th, 2009 at 6:30 pm …….. Babel is a player that i would have like to shine for ‘pool, he has all the
Donavan Ried - November 5th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Sorry hit submit …. let’s try again….
isaac hunt – November 5th, 2009 at 6:30 pm …….. Babel is a player that i would have like to shine for ‘pool, he has all the potental to become a great player,but lacks confidence.As a result, (here i think that Retryboy has it right) he has poor touch and poor ball control, makes clumy tackle giving away unnecessary freekicks ……. And as Rafa seems unwilling to give him a decent run in the side to rebuild that confidence then that is the reasonthat we should sale him ……
As for the “6.5″ that was base o the overall proformance and not just the goal
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
I TAKE IT THESE RATINGS ARE OUT OF 100
Stillontheperch - November 5th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
As I previously wrote, its disappointing the lack of noise eminating from the Yankplanks in support of Rafael Benitez. (Should I be surprised?!)
The recent lack of form is of concern, but I truly believe it is a blip, all but a long one. My real worry is Steven Gerrards silence. He is the club captain and I’m speculating obviously, has there been a breakdown of the relatioship?
Stillontheperch - November 5th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
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anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
What is it with Ukrainian footballers in the Premier League? Rebrov, Shevchenko and Andriy Voronin all arrived on these shores with great goalscoring reputations only for them to full flat on their face in the Premier League. You would think looking at them that they would all have the physical strength and capabilities to handle the rigours of English football; however to say that they have been a disappointment is something of an understatement.
I am sure that I am not the only Liverpool fan who is having flashbacks of that Voronin miss last night and why I’m not naive to think that this goal would have had any relevance on the eventual outcome, given there was a large percentage of the game to go at that point, it just highlighted how bad this player is and how insulting it is that he is allowed to wear our shirt and represent our famous club. If someone can tell me why he was chosen ahead of Ryan Babel or David Ngog as a better option then I’ll love to hear it, I mean it wasn’t as if his set pieces provided any threat now was it.
What’s done is done as they say and why it appears our Euro dream is now out of our hands and we need a monumental effort from Lyon in Florence (are they really going to put up much of a fight?), I was proud of the effort, determination and desire that was put in by the rest of the team and it was a sign that they are all behind Benitez and committed to the football club. Unlike some of our critics I believe we have been really unfortunate in recent weeks and certainly haven’t got the results our performances have deserved and we keep getting these kicks in the teeth, like last night showed at the death. There were plenty of positives to be taken from last night that bodes well for the future and hopefully Rafa will have woken up to the reality that Voronin is not good enough to represent Liverpool FC and needs to be shipped out at the earliest opportunity.
Mark G. - November 5th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Stillontheperch: The silence ringing in our ears, proves once again, the owners are keeping their heads down, hoping the fans will aim their guns at Rafa. I also don’t hear any digging noises coming from the site of the new stadium. Any rumours of sheiks of Arabia coming to our rescue soon?
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Well here the problem. All of you seem to be taking encouragement from the game. I am left with furthur anger, disappointment and frustration. How can you ppl be happy with such a lack lustre performance?!
reina 7.5 was solid
insua 6 looks a little shacky in defence, but a better option than aurellio
kyriagos 6 Is exposed by a fast moving forward, and a little too panicy on the ball
Agger 6.5 solid enuf, tries to get forward, hope he stays fit
masch 5 disapointing yet again. Has no vision, poor decission making, must never attempt a shot from outside the box EVER AGAIN
the hobbit 5 passes well sideways, was hopelessly out of posistion on 90 % of our attacking movements, and when the useless git was free on goal from 5 yards out, he did a passback to their keeper, disguised as a shot…..waste of space. hopefully someone will buy him off us.
kuyt 4.5 It is glaringly obvious that kuyt is a hopeless winger. He is slow, can not get around defenders, does not work well with the forwards, tries hard, but fails to deliver. sell kuyt to raise funds for a decent RM
yossi 5.5 ineffective tonight, but it is hard for him to excel when he has such passengers around him in midfield
vorinon 5.5 tried hard, much like kuyt…..but endevour is not as valuable as skill, and composure. League 1 striker at best
Torres 6 did well in spite of pain, yet even the gr8 man must be wondering when he may get some good service from our pathetic midfield
babel 7.5 looked inspired last night. I think if our useless fat man put some confidence in babs and said to him “you are partnering torres up front till january, go and make the posistion your own” you would see more of his skill come out.
Rafa 5. What a hopeless manager. If his house was on fire he would call a plumber. If his taps were leaking he would call a window cleaner. In football, he uses the wrong man for the job. He gets it wrong so many times. The hobbit would not get into ANY other team in the prem. So why not switch to a 4-1-2-1-2 formation to cover injuries. he could of played on wednesday:
reina
carra ………..kyriagos ……..agger…..insua.
…………………….masch…………………….
babel………………………………..kuyt
…………………..yossi………………….
torres…………………ngog
I realise that this would be too adventurous for the fat man, and since we are stuck with the hopeless tactician, I fear there is more frustration to come.
Mark G. - November 5th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
anonymous – November 5th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Shevchenko arrived as has been, Voronin as never was (if i’m not mistaken, it was Werder Bremen, that didn’t give him a new contract). I bet we will soon see some youngster fro Ukraine that will be spectacular in EPL
I do not expect Lyon to play for their lifes in Florence, I am afraid we are done in the CL..
Mark G. - November 5th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
anonymous – November 5th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Why don’t you call a Suicide Watch or Anger Management line. Also, send a CV to Messrs. Hicks and Gillete, with your positive approach you look like a shoe in to replace Rafa.
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Kaleb
warren dave and mark I am sure are club stooges, towing the club line. I think they get their post hand writen by rafa himself before they submit it. For the rest of us having to watch this crap, we need to see thatthere will be wholesale changes. Granted we cant get rid of the fat git manager….in january tho hopefully we can rid ourselves of voronin 2 mil, lucas…. free…ok 3 mill, kuyt 8 mill, spearing 1/2 mill, riera 6 mill, degan 1mill, dossena 2 mill, thats 22.5 mill. We should be able to get 2 decent wingers with that. Then play babel up front with torres, once we have bought the replacements.
anonymous - November 5th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
to mark: reality in pool case is not positive. I take no delight in seeing what I’ve been saying for 3 months coming to fufillment. The problem is that those that make the decissions are so blind to the fact that we have mismanged the situation since the start of the season, when we bought poorly. I said at the time of our pre season debacles, that the signs were ominous. It is no good to look in the rear view mirror, only to look forward. That is not a pretty sight at the moment, as we can only go on past experience with rafa, and he has been totally exposed as a poor, manager. Keep on singing in rafa we trust tho if u please mark
Mark G. - November 5th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
The Cowardly Loser:
I see a sign of progress, now you sign every second post. If it continues, I’ll drop a Cowardly from your nick name. And no dirty words.?! Bravo!
Mark G. - November 5th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Kaleb:
The reality is what it is. You were not the only concerned LFC supporter this summer. The signs of trouble were visible towards the end of the last season. Not much has changed since. We stil need money to buy 2-3 players and patience to see the first of the “kids” to arrive and compete for the spots on the team. Picking on Rafa, Lucas as scapegoats, is a mark of lazy mind. Calling people names doesn’t exactly make you look mature. Going through this difficult time in a proper way will build a stronger, club with a lot of character for the future. Think, don’t scream, support don’t divide. And look at the situation objectively and realistically.
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 12:00 am
raffa cant see the problem ..THE lack of quality that he has. FOR example lucas……mashcarano…….kuyt………….voronin………..kyriacos……………..We need to sell all these in january get top class wright winger top class striker and play maker.. if he wont do somthing well we are fuked..
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 12:40 am
after the previous comment, 10 points to the next scouser who posts claiming that Mascherano is actually one of (actually it is usually THE best) defensive midfielder in the WORLD…
he has been found out this season. a VERY limited player who gives away too many needless freekicks and has poor distribution
Aquaman - November 6th, 2009 at 12:49 am
I can understand why you include lucas, kuyt, voronin and the barbarian in your “lack of quality” list (not that I agree. They are unflashy, hard working players which you seem to dislike), but I really don’t see how you can seriously think that masch isn’t a high class defensive midfielder. In my view he’s one of the top three in the world (together with Essien and Yaya Toure). What you seem unwilling to accept is that his job is not to attack.
Yes, we have a problem when him and lucas play together because they have the same strengths and weaknesses. But this does not make them poor. I will also concede that Rafa has been extremely stubborn in not dropping Gerrard back to perform this job while Aquliani was injured. Now that they both are, though, we don’t really have a choice.
Yossi is not a midfielder, he is a winger or “in the hole” player. Using him as a midfielder would be a waste since, while he does play some fantastic through balls, his primary strength is dribbling.
Under Rafa, LFC’s two primary strengths have been solid defense and dominating the midfield. While the defensive side has endured a major wobble, the midfield has stayed strong (which is largely thanks to lucas covering for Masch’s early season drop in form). We’ve completely dominated the midfield for three games in a row which is always a good sign. Unfortunately the creative spark is missing at the moment which is what would turn this domination into scoring opportunities.
I stand by my previous comment that our finishing cost us the three points against Lyon. We had three glorious chances to score (four if you include the kuyt chance that people seem to think was so clear cut even though I apparently missed it. I remember his chip and the overhead kick, both of which were 50/50 in my view) and failed all three times.
Now I understand that three does not sound like a lot of chances in a game, but these three should all have been scored (Lucas I can forgive because the keeper made a nigh impossible save to deny him). If they had gone in, then Lyon would never have been able to come back at the rate they were playing.
Aquaman - November 6th, 2009 at 12:50 am
he he. Guess thats ten points to me. Woohoo!
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 1:16 am
Hart LFC here…. for all you no brainers out there that think lucas had a good game and to the ridiculous call of him being out BEST player you seriously need your heads looked at. Why did he have a good game, didnt create anything didnt score… once again no contribution…ok now you have read that go look at the contribution of arsenals midfield chelseas and man uniteds. Yer fair enough he didnt have a POOR game but he sure well didnt have a GOOD game he was on par with the rest of our mediocre midfield which yet again lacked creativity ( yup theres that word again ) And kicking the ball 3000 m in the air is not creativity for all the dumb Sh_ _S. Before you start calling lucas the next god of football sit down and evaluate what he actualy contributes to the team…
Aquaman - November 6th, 2009 at 1:45 am
Sigh. I wasn’t going to say anything, but now I feel I have to.
I’m becoming increasingly worried by the amount of negativity flying around. I’m happy for people to criticise specific problems and even specific players (within reason and with at least some discernible reason). Some of the regular posters will testify that I appreciate good critical points just as much as good positive ones (even though mine tend towards positive more often than not). However a lot of the recent posts have not been along these lines.
It’s one thing to condemn a player for missing chance or duffing a tackle, but it’s another thing to write him off and not allow him even a moment to get his head right again before you damn him again. Case in point, Lucas. No, he is not the best player in the league. No, he is not the best player on our team. But neither is he to blame for our predicament. Nor have his performances hurt us in any significant way. All he can do is play his game, and I for one will support him as long as he is standing on our field. All we are trying to do is make our voices heard to those who slag him for missing one tackle in an entire game. We want people to see that he is improving (and he bloody well is) and try to get people to cut him some slack.
Next gripe, blasting other posters for having opinions different to yours. This is petty, childish and damn near disgusting. Its one thing to confront another poster for making a claim to facts which are not true, but entirely another to slag him for his opinion (or her assuming there are any girls here who haven’t been scared off by the biggots).
I’m sick to death of all the moaning and groaning about this and that. Yes things are not going well, but please remember that we are supposed to be supporters. Attacking players who are low on form is what the media does, not the fans. Again, criticism should be given where it is due, but no one deserves to be attacked.
It’s said that people either see the glass as half full or half empty, but it seems that some of the people posting here see it as half empty and poisoned in a dirty glass.
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 2:27 am
before i start giving my comment,I must admit I’m an Arsenal fan..I saw the Liverpool vs Lyon game while also watching Arsenal vs Az Alkmaar on the television..what surprised me(pleasingly) is to watch the player most of ur own fans have doubt in,that is Lucas played so well on the pitch..He’s such a different player than the player he was last season..I may have not watch many Liverpool games due to the fact I’m a Gunner,but I respect players who worked really hard just to get on the pitch,just to play really well,always try to improve himself on the pitch..I would like to give a few examples from other clubs-Arsenal have Eboue,Song,Diaby,Bendtner..all of them were jeered last season by the club supporters due to them being the liabilties on the pitch..Eboue was the worst to be jeered at..He was even booed off the pitch..But they held their head high,try to find an improvement to their game,and this season Arsenal is very strong because of these once liabilites…even Man.U has Owen who everybody had doubts in the beginning,but now he’s showing what he can really do on the pitch..I know he was a Liverpool player once,but I’m just judging on his performance on the pitch,regardless of which team he’s in..
so please,just support Lucas..He may not be ur best player on the pitch,but he’s one of those who worked very hard for the team..I’m sure many teams will want him as he replaces his lack of skills by his work rate on the pitch..a good player doesn’t need to be somebody who needs to score or have an assist,but a good player is somebody in ur team that u know can bring some stability on the pitch..Think about it..
dave - November 6th, 2009 at 2:29 am
whoever keeps slagging off kuyt,mascherano and lucas,clearly know fuck all about football and expect a team of flashy players who will all score,a team of 11 ronaldo’s won’t work,i’m sorry to break it to you.tradesmen need their labourers
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 3:47 am
hi johnny barnes here, i can’t understand some liverpool fans in regards to babel, the guy is awful i would have given him player reting of 4 before the goal, but as the article above states that is babel a complete enigma… i put him in the same boat as voronin, whats worse being utter rubbish, (like voronin, maybe his ponytail gets in the way??, i mean lucus cutting his hair seemed to have improved him), or people seeing glimpses of talent for a few mins and havinh high hopes only to be dashed by poor poor control and the strnge abilty to when dribbling with the ball just running into people instaed of passing… i really hope we can get shoot of these two in the jan transfer window.. i think we can get about 2 mill for voronin, (not bad for a free transfer), and babel possibly 4/5 mill. i would love a swap with athletico for sinama pongolle.. i never understood why he wasn’t kept at liverpool???? but suppose he was never going to get first team footy as much as he wanted….
would prefer aguero more, but just don’t ever see that happening for anthing under 50mill…
i really wish we made more of an effort for distin (as feel they would have been back up’s instead of Zorbo the greek),
I have never been the biggest fan of lucus, but have been more than happpy with his performances of late, he still gives stupid free kicks away and his passing still needs work on but ovewrall the guy is getting better and bettter.
my whole wish list to come in jan is Matty Upson, dafoe amd lennon, milner i like some english players coming in but the guys who have really impressed me is Marko Marin, and Steven defour.
the left back positioon kinda worries me, aurelio is steady but is injured way to often, insua is coming on but he seems to be the favoured rb which i don’t think he;’s ready for, he’s been caught out a number of time now. i would like to see if riise would come back just for back up, surprised dossena hasn’t played mpre often as i still think he can do a job there.
look overall it was a very good performance froma heavilly depleted side, i do think if evry one was fit, then we would have won easily
John - November 6th, 2009 at 4:37 am
the last line of the last post was one of the only ones that actually made full sense “look overall it was a very good performance froma heavilly depleted side, i do think if evry one was fit, then we would have won easily” this is what most people r missing. we do have strength in depth as good as any. just look at who we have injured: aquilani, gerrard, johnson, aurelio, skrtel, el zhar, riera. add those to who we do have and u have a strong first team and strong bench. against fulham we had even more injured including agger,cavalieri and ngog. u can hardly place the blame on rafa when many of the injured would be some of the first names on the teamsheet. just look at the team and bench when fully fit:
———————–reina———————–
glen—carragher—–agger—-aurelio
—————–mascherano—————–
benayoun——————————–riera
————-aquaman–gerrard————-
———————–torres———————–
subs: cavalieri, skrtel, insua, kuyt, lucas,ngog,babel
the reason i chose this formation is coz i can niether see aquilani and gerrard not playin at same time if fully fit and aquilani wont play defensive mid. therefore he will either go alongside gerrard or between him and masch. as for the subs bench 4 of them are currently in the first team and 2 are fequently used subs. cavalieri doesnt get the look in he deserves and i feel sorry for him as from what i have seen he is a top class keeper and i would doubt if there are many better keeper in the league outside the top 6.
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 5:21 am
John, you have just my mind. Could not agree more. Absolutely spot on…
but unfortunately this will probably never happen as Kuyt would be the 1st name in the teamlist and lucas will be the 2nd… yes they are both good but not 1st team good…
we also need a good left winger… please rafa please get someone in Jan….
Retryboy - November 6th, 2009 at 5:43 am
Can understand these comments after some of the totally inept performances earlier in the season but not for last night well ott! Can understand peoples frustrations when mascherano and lucas play because we don’t need 2 defensive midfielders and the argentine stops anything getting through on his own. We didn’t have any option last night because of injuries and if people remember it worked fine at utd why? Because we had yossi linking not voronin that was the only problem and second half could have brought aquilani on for lucas. Not because he played badly but for team shape. Kaleb… Anon@10.52… You missed off carragher but judging by the other ratings he will be happy! You would think we got hammered 5-0 Maybe though it is wrong to be happy that rafa only made 2/3 mistakes why shouldn’t we expect him to get things right as the ‘in rafa we trust brigade’ are always saying he is supposed to know more than us armchair managers but time and time again we seem to know more. In the prediction thread i said if aquilani doesn’t start we need benayoun through the middle to link. Then when the team was announced said we lacked creativity and so it was a good job aquilani on the bench. Not really seeing as though he just sat there. The other criticism was him moving carragher over to accomodate kyrgiakos and not playing darby. Could argue the case for that being right too as the greek was culpable for the goal and but for reina would have cost us 2. Before everyone jumps on my back just saying these were obvious points to everyone before the game including the tv commentary team.
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 7:23 am
Anon at 10.34 sorry to be petty but you have just cut and pasted the first section of your post off the football fancast blog your own thoughts please.
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Sorry last one Retryboy not logging me in for some reason
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 7:50 am
reina 8
carragher 6
kyrgiakos 5
agger 6
insua 6
kuyt 4.5
lucas 6
mascherano 6
benayoun 6
voronin3
torres 6
babel 6.5
kermit
kermit - November 6th, 2009 at 8:18 am
right firstly a point abou the site, whoever decided it d be a good idea to ad videos is an asshole, it makes the site slow and unresponsive
sort it out
secondly who wont the u 17 world cup
isn t this where we should be focusing our search for real future talent at underage competitions where kids play agaionst the best in the world at their age group
if we had been watching i m sure we wouldnt have watched angel di maria win the olympics with argentina and play brilliantly all through them and signed him for about four pound fifty
now not sure whether it was ghana or nigeria that beat brazil in the u17 world cup recently but ought nt we be signing up some of these youngsters now
while they are shit cheap and get in ahead of the wengers of this world
u 20 world cups also by the way, though many are discovered by tthis stage
voronin i feel bad for he is not good enough, fullstop
kuyt as a senior player he other night ought to have been a leader on the field instead he was anonymous
but then he isnt a right winger , he is a goal poacher so i ll forgive dirk and blame rafa
now babel always plays well on the right side of midfield, and he is quick , we had no attacking fullback so he ought to have played there in my opinion with dirk in the hole
i m gonna score rafa 1 out of ten
yeah thats right 1 out of ten
but never mind we ll beat everton in the europa league final so it ll all be roses again
kermit - November 6th, 2009 at 8:28 am
and john has the exact team in mind, though even a blind man could pick i doubt rafa will
since lucas signed i have fully believed in him, he isnt a defensive midfielder hes just not at liberty to attack in the role he is asked to perform by benitez ( the prick),
he captained brazil u 20, no one captains brazil at any level without some level of abilty. Plus watch him passing he is the most accurate passer of a football in our team, actually more accurate than xabi alonso
so rafa lets play lucas kuyt babel carragher all out of position and leave our most creative player aquilani on the bench for the whole nighty mins when we were crying out ( well at least i was ) for someone to link midfield and attack
rafa benitez you are a disgrace
i still think we should nab kalou from chelsea and switch to a 442 when torres isnt fit
with kuyt and kalou up front, they scored for fun at feyenoord together plus he would come cheap 6 million maybe
we need a new left back also, though i would personally give dossena more of a chance ( liverpool supporters are nearly as bad as newcastle supporters for impatience these days)
we dont need a right winger , we need to move babel there
we do need a left winger
we dont need any midfielders we just need them fit
kermit - November 6th, 2009 at 8:32 am
milner has really impressed me this season you can keep lennon(another pennant headless chicken i have no brain i just run fast footballer) and not giving tottenham a fortune for defoe, fuck that.
we should have bid for joe cole, while he was injured so he could keep aquilani company, both would have been class, and donovan i think ruben kazin will be raided by the whole world and their mother after their champions league performances
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 10:12 am
could i have been anymore right?? no final 16 for liverpool and off to europa league….its gonna be a long downhill slide and players like gerrard and torres arent goin to want to be a part of it…Jed
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 11:03 am
hey kermit i am a lifelong passionate Chelsea fan and even I was screaming for Rafa to pull his head out his ass and do something useful with the team, its a disgrace what he has managed to do to a team that should be dominating not losing to the likes of sunderland and fulham so i agree with everything u said even the Kalou part cos that would help but im not gonna be happy with Kalou leaving he has 2 much potential i just hope for liverpool’s sake and football in general Rafa catches a wake up or hits the road!!Good job beating united tho hoping my boys in blue can do the same on sunday.
Peace
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 6th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
So we only support the team/club when it’s winning and doing well. When it’s not winning and doing badly we all slag it off like bitters or Mancs. Bollocks to that .
kermit - November 6th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
to the life long chelsea fan , the league is yours for the losing, your squad is fucking immense, maybe arsenal can have a go at you, but i think they are a little lightweight
i think chelseas squad in general is too strong for anyone else this year anyway.
maybe we can come back and make a fist of it with gerrard and aquilani fit again, but the newspaper today suggest torres might need a hernia op( and if he is out for months we are fucked unless ngog massively improves overnight) , and that will keep him out for a bit, so we are once again fucked. sold keane way too quickly for my liking, everyone gave out about keanes lack of goals , but when keane left us we were clear at the top of the league, another case of bad man management by benitez and bad support form a section of liverpool fans ala lucas ala kuyt ala babel ala dossena.
still on the plus side i cant wait to see gerrard aquilani and torres in the same team together, hopefully with a fully functioning ryan babel right wing
i think rafa is screwing up on more than one level though
by wrecking players like lucas and babel, he is not gonna entice too many other potential stars of the future to the club and that is a worry
if i were a talented kid i know i d be heading to arsenal
oh and i think ancelotti likes kalou so hes safe, still think his partnership with kuyt could be very useful to us when torres is injured, check their goals stats when they played together at feyenoord, they were great together up front
kermit - November 6th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
i wasnt slagging off the team just the manager and questioning his decisions
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Liverpool tryed well but when we scored we push foward TOO MUCH letting lyon come back and score
CHRIST SAKE its not rocket science lyon didnt play overly well all they needed was the once chance and we left in on a plate for him
kermit - November 6th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
we could sign klose for 8 million
kermit - November 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
or podolski for ten to play left sided attacker
Donavan Ried - November 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Retryboy – November 6th, 2009 at 5:43 am …….I agree with you 100%….. I too was suprised to see Carragher on the right instead of Darby …. But as you stated ….. “why shouldn’t we expect him to get things right as the ‘in rafa we trust brigade’ are always saying he is supposed to know more than us armchair managers but time and time again we seem to know more.” …..
But some people here seem not to know, or want to know when Rafa is making a b@lls up just as long as they can quote “In Rafa We Trust” at the end of every post they are happy living in thier own little perfect Rafa world ……
We are supose to be Liverpool Fc, not Rafa Fc …..
If players were not good enough for the club did we not use to move them on?…..
So why is it so different with the manager? ……. He needs to be told in no uncertain manner that what he is doing is not good enough and that he needs to do consistently better ….
Well had my daily rant, feel much better LOL …..
No, but in all fairness i can’t understand The “Brigade” constantly defending Rafa when something is obviously his fualt. ……Yes when it’s clear that he is not to blame for something, even i will defend him then, But when it is his fualt??…..
Anyway, I can’t ( But i hope we do) see us progressing in thge CL, due to the fact that fiorentina will want ot make sure they qualifie and will sooner fancy beating Lyon, than beating Liverpool. Reguard less of what Lyon says they will field a weakend side, look for a point, knowing if they don’t get it they can get it or even beat Debrecen on the last day …..
So it is the FA Cup and the Euro League which are aour best chance of silverware this season …..
If we fail to win anything this season, but we are sittingin 4th with three macthes to go and no chance of being caught the i would like to see Rafa Include 5 or 6 Young Reds in every remaining game. …
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Ha Nice to see we are still on summer time here! What a bunch of retards.
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
we need to sign ruud van nestleroy in jan as back up he’s out of contract in the summer so he would cost very little something like 2-4million. Plus it would piss saf off plus we would get our own back for the scum signing owen what do you think?
anonymous - November 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
MARK G IS A BIGGER IDIOT THAN THAT DAMN JED CANT SEE PAST HIS OWN BIG MOUTH RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES OPINIONS YOU SINGLE MINDED ARSE……….COULDNT BE BOTHERED LOGGING IN
SORRY AQUAMAN,DONAVAN
Mark G. - November 6th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Kaleb aka Cowardly Loser:
Again you confirmed that you had nothing to add to this forum, why don’t you switch to some other sports or club, more in line with your lack of class. Maybe camel racing?
saif - November 6th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
i hate my name cos saf is in it saif
Donavan Ried - November 6th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Mark G. – November 6th, 2009 at 9:09 pm …..
Mark G … forget our pass deference’s, and i do not say this to embarrass you.
I want to tell you this man to man ……
You are going way over the top here with this “Cowardly Loser” and tell him he should switch to another club. …..
This is begining to border on bullying, and feeling a tad uncomfortable ……
I really do believe that you did not ettend it to go so far,but it as, so please stop
thank you
Donavan Ried - November 6th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
saif – November 6th, 2009 at 9:55 pm ……”i hate my name cos saf is in it saif”
…… OOOHHH Saif …LOL ….
man i feel so sorry for you, i want to put my arms around you and give you a hug …. (In a manly way) LOL …
Just post another name mate LOL
anonymous - November 7th, 2009 at 12:00 am
shut it douche bag reid
ps.my name is anonymous you tosser.
in rafa true supporters trust. lfc ynwa
Donavan Ried - November 7th, 2009 at 1:19 am
anonymous – November 7th, 2009 at 12:00 am …….”shut it douche bag reid”
Mark G am guesting as the term “douche bag” is mainly used by the Can/Am …..
Real grown up of you …….
Mark G. - November 7th, 2009 at 1:51 am
Donovan Ried:
Wrong guess, as usual, I also did not steal your girlfriend. If you were a bit brighter, you would notice, i ignore your prose totally…Hugs and kisses.
Mark
Mark G. - November 7th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Donovan Ried, this is one exception, as I just spotted your post from November 6th, 2009 at 10:29 pm. I am not sure, what you are complaining about.
1. Are you saying the post from anonymous – November 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm is from you (i do not think it was your post) or
2. Are you suggesting that I should turn my other cheek to someone that has been trying to insult me anonymously for a while and was found. I thought that you were standing behind signed and not anonymous posts.
3. People are getting back what they are dishing out, nothing unfair about it.
4. I respect our differences as far as our views on Rafa are concerned, you are civilized, when presenting them. It is just that I don’t understand many of your points in your posts due to misspelings and gramatical, logical and factual errors. On top of it, you seem to blame him for all of our clubs problems, so why bother talking about…
Retryboy - November 7th, 2009 at 3:14 am
Can’t believe people still haven’t worked out the dynamics of the spectrum of 5 groups of lfc fans on here we range from no1 ‘would trust rafa to perform their vasectomy blindfolded and wouldn’t blame him in the slightest for cutting it off’ group (of which mark g is definitely the leader.) We then hit 4 differing levels of trust and patience before hitting donovan’s category no5 ‘would have more faith in a drunk abu hamza performing the operation’ section. I myself would be in 4. Aquaman bit higher than me group 3 and the likes of Hoogleboy in group 2. Now you will very rarely find a point you agree with someone 3 groups away but never 4! Hence why aquaman in group 3 bridges the great divide moving seamlessly like the silver surfer between worlds. Lol sorry guys just a bit of fun to lighten the mood no offence intended to anyone mentioned.
kermit - November 7th, 2009 at 3:27 am
plonks himself firmly in group 3.5
Mark G. - November 7th, 2009 at 4:22 am
Retryboy: I’d like to reciprocate your compliment. Please allow me to continue with your metaphors, You being an unquestionable leader of group 4, might be ready for the said operation, or might have already undergone one, performed by the unquestionable , the unique, the legendary leader of the group 5 (consisting of one member) Mr. Donovan Ried.
Retryboy - November 7th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Ha ha once again mark g you miss the point spectacularly! No group 4 would be ‘hoping that rafa had learnt the operation in the 5 years at the hospital right up until the day of the op when it becomes clear that he is planning on using a spoon instead of a scalpel and was gonna wait for the first 80 minutes of the 90 min op worried about a surprise attack from the penis’ you see how that works it illustrates the level of faith in the manager where as “donovan reid gave you the snip hur hur!” just proves that although you try writing with some pretence of intelligence you are as group 1’s nickname states ‘blind sheep waiting for a surprise attack from the penis’ wonder if rafa can do a sense of humour transplant too?
Mark G. - November 7th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Retryboy: There will bo no Booker Prize for you, I am afraid. Also, do not quit your day job, laying bricks, seems to be still the best option in life for you. Altough, with your incredible grasp of the obvious, you may charm a few, your atttempts at humour fail miserably. Good luck working on your first novel “A surprise attack from my penis”. Your posts show what happens, when someone as limited as you starts believing in his managerial potential. Why don’t you manage a public housing team first, with your eye for talent, you can find some youngsters for LFC.
Retryboy - November 7th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Whats bono got to do with the booker prize then lol sorry didn’t realise you were from the north american continent obviously got to bow down to your knowledge on humour and football then! (Thats called sarcasm by the way) don’t intend to give up my job and when you manage to prove me wrong on anything then you might have some basis for the arrogance you throw around. Fact is the more you are proved wrong the more stubborn and shut off from reality you get… Wait you haven’t got a goatee beard and spanish accent have you?
anonymous - November 7th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Retryboy: Maybe I should buy a silver skintight speedo to wear on the hub. heh heh.
I like group 3. You get to throw both stones and cake at both sides without any consequences. It’s like being the king of a demilitarised zone. Though it is a little lonely…
I fear that I do need to throw some stones now though. Mark G. You really need to calm down a touch. I’m not saying that your comments are undeserved, but a full on attack on an anonymous does more damage to you simply because you post with a name.
The anonymous legion will never take any thoughtful debate seriously mostly because if they can’t take the time to register then they sure as hell won’t waste it reading other people’s comments. The best answer to this (I find) is to ignore them. We’re not going to think any less of you because of what an anonymous has said. After all, I still respect Donavan and he takes the biggest anonymous beating of us all.
But on the other hand, those who sit in categories 4 and 5 need to stop goading him. While it may be fun to provoke your rival into saying things he wouldn’t have, this doesn’t really prove anything. It doesn’t make you any more right and doesn’t make him anymore wrong.
Right. Now that I’m done playing peacemaker I’m going to buy myself a surfboard!
anonymous - November 7th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
it was a crappy game!!!liverpool and lyon all sucked!!! bt liverpool sucked more!! many actions for one goal!!!have to admit that lyon has one of the best goalkeepers…and lyon never gives up…they score most of their goals in the last 15 mins…it shows their mental strength…btw agger sucks!!!!!!
Aquaman - November 7th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Oh the irony! The post above was me. Dunno why I got logged out. Must be karma…
Mark G. - November 7th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Aquaman: I am not attacking, I am responding. As a rule I do not argue with anonymous posts. Most of them deserve no response. I prefer staying in the area of football and LFC, however if attacked on a personal level I respond in kind. The anonymous post you refered here to was anonymous to you, but I knew the author and adressed it to him. They were no further post from him, as I expected.
As far as goading is concerned there are, more or less, 3 people that attack me. Donovan does it on the base of his lack of respect towards Rafa, which is opposite to where I stand. I let it slide, most of time, I think I disagree mostly with his position, I can’t be sure, as often his sentences are hard to understand.
The other two Retryboy and Kaleb, often take it to the level of personal attacks. If they do, I meet them at their arena.
This forum is frequented by many people with different views on our club and its manager. I have no problem viewing and accepting other positions on the subject, as long as the exchanges are mostly based on facts and their interpretations are more or less civilized. I don’t accept name calling, whether in respect to the manager or the players. I believe that LFC, with its history and proud tradition deserve better that childish outburst coming from some, that often overstep the boundaries of tact, common courtesy and respect, that they expect and demand from others. Leaving on vacations in an hour, see you in a week.
YNWA
Donavan Ried - November 7th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Mark G. – November 7th, 2009 at 2:13 am ……
“Are you suggesting that I should turn my other cheek to someone that has been trying to insult me anonymously for a while and was found” ……..Yes that about right. You had ago at him back yet you chose to continue it …..
Look at these two posts, one follows the other ….
anonymous – November 5th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
to mark: reality in pool case is not positive. I take no delight in seeing what I’ve been saying for 3 months coming to fufillment. The problem is that those that make the decissions are so blind to the fact that we have mismanged the situation since the start of the season, when we bought poorly. I said at the time of our pre season debacles, that the signs were ominous. It is no good to look in the rear view mirror, only to look forward. That is not a pretty sight at the moment, as we can only go on past experience with rafa, and he has been totally exposed as a poor, manager. Keep on singing in rafa we trust tho if u please mark
Mark G. – November 5th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
The Cowardly Loser:
I see a sign of progress, now you sign every second post. If it continues, I’ll drop a Cowardly from your nick name. And no dirty words.?! Bravo!
Were did he insult you??? …….. yet you chose to insult him
” I thought that you were standing behind signed and not anonymous posts.” ……. Yes this it true but only very rarely do i Insult some one and only if they have insulted me, but i always suggest the log in and try to convince them why they should ……
“the term “douche bag” is mainly used by the Can/Am” …… MarkG it would bet good money that that was you …… It’s no a commonly use term over here. ….
Not that i really care what you think of me ….. But i was merely trying to point out that you were going over the top with the whole “Cowardly Loser” …..
Go back and read the whole exchange between the two for you and tell youself that you are no going too far ……
You are ment to be a man, not a child, be better than that
anonymous - November 7th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
liverpool will not be signing Rio
They have theyre eye on a world class CB
His name is Diddy Peachfist and he is 21 years old
Very good player apparantly
He will sing in Jan 2010
I can confirm that as official
anonymous - November 9th, 2009 at 3:19 am
Retryboy-Brilliant! The dictionary definition of irony there from the aquaman! Glad you took my post in the way it was intended knew you would although the speedos have made me rethink the silver surfer analogy, much better than the full spray on suit but not what i want to look up and see when i am patrolling group fours borders!!… Mark g you can put as much spin on things as you like neither myself or donovan have any problem with someone having a different view where as you could feed africa with the chip on your shoulder and i do sometimes wonder if your surname is goerring or goebbels would have to guess the latter he was the propaganda minister after all. I remember when you registered you started off hurling personal insults at everyone then you decided in a conversation with Saif “lets call people by their proper names, not swear, be the better men” so fake! Can see blatantly you try and wind people up like by insulting my job, donovans literacy and i am sure you think you are doing it in a clever way and we will bite you aren’t anywhere near as clever as you give yourself credit for though and we aren’t so insecure as to feel the need to impress other fans.
Donavan Ried - November 9th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Thank you Retryboy. ……
I was begining to think that maybe i was the only one that could see this guy for what he really is……
Just because he questions my literacy (I get to excited, when replying to a post that i feel passionate about, plus the fact that i am lazy, and don’t proof read, instead relying on the spell check in “Windows Word”) …….
Now add that to the fact that as i have stated before, i tend to have half the converstation in my head, there for think that i have explained things to others when in fact i have only done so to myself(LOL …. yes you could call me crazy, you’ll get no agruement from me on that) …….
MarkG either believes that i am stupid, or that he is more clever than i am …….
Take the “douche bag” comment …….. As i have staed it is a insult that you would normally have hurled at you by a Can/Am ( Canadain/American. Where is it he says he live?….., oh thats right Canada……..
I have always said that if you are going to lie to someone, credit them with having the same inteligence as you (i.e. … If it is a lie that you would not believe then why should you expect them to believe it?) …….
(I originally thought that both MarkG and Aquaman were getting personal with me in relation to my views on LFC and Rafa, it was only on sitting back and reading their post porplely that i could is that Aquaman was merely argueing his point, and that MarkG was trying to attack me on a personal level, making snide comments thats is why i needed to apologize to Aquaman)
At the time that i made my posts on November 7th, 2009 at 8:32 pm ….. i had not read the post made by Aquaman November 7th, 2009 at 4:42 pm were he Sstarted by saying…. “.Mark G. You really need to calm down a touch. I’m not saying that your comments are undeserved, but a full on attack on an anonymous does more damage to you simply because you post with a name.” …………….. A Class act both Aquaman, and yourself ……
……. Anyway, and he went unto say ……
“The best answer to this (I find) is to ignore them. We’re not going to think any less of you because of what an anonymous has said. After all, I still respect Donavan and he takes the biggest anonymous beating of us all.” …….
Then he still tried to defend himself by saying….. “As far as goading is concerned there are, more or less, 3 people that attack me. Donovan does it on the base of his lack of respect towards Rafa” ?????…….
He choses to end his post with this little gem ……
“I believe that LFC, with its history and proud tradition deserve better that childish outburst coming from some, that often overstep the boundaries of tact, common courtesy and respect, that they expect and demand from others. Leaving on vacations in an hour, see you in a week.” …….
I put it to you that he went on vacation along time ago and never came back judging by the “respect” that he show others…..
Last thing i have to say is that I owe you an apology also …….
You have stood up of me on many occassions, when you did not have too, and i have not don’t the same for you ……. I did not do this because i did not respect you or what you had to say, or even because i believe you to be wrong but because i knew that you were capable of doing so for yourself. …… But i should have done so to show you support, as you do me ….. for this i apologize …..
Thank Retryboy
Retryboy - November 9th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Not a problem mate and no apology needed just call it how i see it. I was actually trying to be the peace keeper originally mark just chose to take my post in the wrong way. Seems to have a permanent siege mentality. It’s his post at 2.13 that best illustrates our points “i don’t understand many of your points in your posts due to misspelings and gramatical, logical and factual errors” so if people don’t agree with him its not a different point of view but a logical error lol think rafa has 5 of those every match day! gramatical, factual errors? If he wants to call someone a retarded liar just do it. Spelling misspelling wrong was a touch of genius though! See what happens when jed goes on holiday!
Donavan Ried - November 9th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Retryboy – November 9th, 2009 at 3:09 pm ……LOL …Yeah a real touch of genius ……
I hate when jed does that lol …..
Thanks again mate ………