The Five Players Liverpool Should Sell: We’d Make £25m

Ryan Babel - November 9th, 2009 at 5:07 pm

dont think babel and riera are bad back ups but babel needs a consistant chance and maybe dossena aswell. but add kyrgiakos and buy upson/shawcross.and buy a striker

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:16 pm

i wouldnt sell babel
i wouldnt sell riera unless we are signing juan mata as a direct replacement , i wouldnt sell skrtel either
i wouldnt sell dossena or lucas either

degen i would sell , voronin i would sell

good to see the lucas bashing brigade still havent given up , even though there are promising signs coming from him,

and to calvo, benitez signed torres mascherano xabi alonso reina benayoun, kuyt, johnson, skrtel
sure hes had a lot of misses , but when you spend less than ten million on a player its quite likely they wont be good enough for liverpool
i think we shouldnt be signing anyone really in the modern market for less than ten million
i d sell mascherano for forty million to barca and sign steven defour for 12-14 million, there i just made 26 million, then i d sell riera for 12 , and buy mata for 17,
leaving me with 22 million , with which i d prob sign jovetic for about 15 million, then i d sell the greek to some greek shithole , and degen and voronin to scrape enough together to buy hangeland.
yeah i know everyone will go blah blah cant sell mascherano, but to be honest he isnt worth forty million, he has one gear, and one style of play and yes i know ball winners are needed in a team but a ball winner with good distribution , like senna at villareal is a better option( but he is too old) and steven defour at 21/22 is a good option
so my staring eleven for next season

reina gk
johnson rb carra cb hangeland cb insua lb
defour gerrard cm
kuyt aquilani mata
torres

subs , benayoun babel lucas, agger, cavalieri

now thats a subs bench that could make an impact

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:23 pm

we need a cb with good aerial ability , thats why i choose hangeland , we miss this since hyppia left, and we are conceding too much from set pieces and corners. shawcross is not bad but he is not dominant enough, our goal keeper is short carra is short( for a gk and cb) we need the assurance of someone like hangeland in the air, and eventually carra stepping aside to leave a cb pairing of hangeland and agger, and that would be a promising partnership i think

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:34 pm

toally agree with the last post regarding ryan babel and rafa s man management
however as i have stated several times before i think the problem in babels case is that rafa bought him impulsively to stop wenger making him into the next henry , he didnt plan the purchase , it was just a spur of the moment and now fails to accomodate him in he team or know how to get the best from him.
but its really about time he did , because i think babel has limitless potential, his first touch is sublime when he is concentrating, his finishing is first rate,( remember the goal against derby), and for a guy who the manager appears to dislike( in my opinion rafa dislikes himself for being foolish enough to make this rash impulsive buy and takes it out on ryan) he scores some pretty important goals in the ten or fifteen mins he is given every now and again. i think rafa needs to acknowledge his mistake and give ryan a decent chance. torres is fucked at the moment , send him for surgery , get him fixed properly and give ryan his chance while he is out, and tell him look ryan we need you up front for the next five games show us what you can really do and we ll see about getting you more game time after that

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

i am a huge fan of both lucas and babel

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:37 pm

and i am also a huge fan of dossena, another not being given a fair go

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

my lineup for tonight

gk reina
rb johnson
cb skrtelif fit.kyrgiakos if not
cb agger
lb insua
dm lucas
dm mascherano
rm kuyt
cam aquilani
lm benayoun
striker babel

subs gerrard, ngog, cavalieri , skrtel/kyrgiakos, riera

nanaghlfc - November 9th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

well Babel/Riera are certainly not 1st team material. but they do not look like bad 2bd string players. at least one should stay but the rest must go along with Degen and The Greek.

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:42 pm

if ryan babel had gone to the gunners , he d be destroying teams every week by now

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:47 pm

simon kjaer is the only alternative to hangeland i would consider, thers no way you ll get di maria that cheap, i like lass diarra, still think he is more a four four two midfielder, but a good option instead of steven defour
suarez i havent seen enough of my option was jovetic, but if you can get either for less than twenty million i d be happy

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:51 pm

stevie is out of sorts i think he is sulking at not being able to play behind torres so far this year, basically he doesnt want to play cm anymore , and this is why he is playing so shit, but he ought to realise he is gonna lose some pace, and start to adapt like scholes did at man utd , and get back to running the game from midfield

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:54 pm

because jovetic is 21 and pure fucking class and suarez is 20 and a goal machine, and carlton cole is good enough for west ham

Warren Bloggs - November 9th, 2009 at 5:57 pm

Hmm….I do not think we should sell Riera and i highly doubt we would get anywhere around £20m for the remaining four. Voronin may go back to the Bundesliga via Hertha Berlin and Hamburg for around £4m, Dossena will go for a similar fee to Genoa, Milan, Napoli etc. Babel, well we will not get anywhere near the £11m we spent on him, i say sell for a loss or even better do the swap deal with Eljero Elia. Oh and Itandje for £5m?! You have got to be joking i imagine we will terminate his contract and let him go on a free.

In all we should sell Dossena and Voronin for around £8m and do the swap deal for Elia. Hopefully, the owners will give us a bit more cash, im guessing around a further £5-10m so we can sign Koman from Sampdoria for approx £4m and with the remaining £10 we should sign a decent striker e.g. Pavluchenko, Huntelaar etc.

Retryboy - November 9th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

Aurelio is due for contract negotiations in jan only thing i would offer him with his injury record is pay as you play or a one year. Itandje(no explanation needed) degen(darby and kelly are better) dossena(wants to go to cement world cup place) kyrgiakos(ayala and kelly are better) voronin(nemeth, ngog, pacheco, ecclestone, my mum all better)
Thats 5 definites in my eyes and riera and babel are debatable. Babel i have argued long and hard for ages that he is played out of position won’t go into all the reasons again but would just like to see him given a run of 2/3 games on the right before jan sure he would be a success and kuyt shouldn’t be an automatic choice just for work rate. Riera i am not sure about he seemed to be able to give us genuine width when he first came but seems to have copied the other right footed players on the left and wants to come inside and block up the midfield. Unlucky to have got injured just when he would have got a decent run in the side. I still think both babel and riera can come good for us. Think rafa’s rotation policy that has for the past season only applied to the left wing position is to blame for a lot of both of these players problems. People confuse the desperation to do well and lack of confidence that half hour outings bring with greed, arrogance and lack of skill. Added to that when we are at full strength mascherano, aquilani, gerrard will be the middle three think benayoun has to be in the team and i think he is better no the left than the right. Would be more than happy having riera as a back up to him. Babel could be quality on the right with the option of kuyt to shut games out and protect leads and ecclestone coming through fast if babel was given a run there and it didn’t work fair enough let him go want to see him given that chance first though sorry about the essay lol

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

i dont know, i think whoever plays alongside torres needs to be an intelligent footballer who doesnt mind not being in the limelight all the time and i dont think either pavlyuchenko nor huntelaar fit this profile, though they are two excellent strikers in their own right

Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 9th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

Good to see a Manc on here talking about Benitez’s bad buys. I seem to remember Lord Fergusson buying more than a few, lets call them, dudds.

I agree in parts with the above post about the man management of Ryan Babel and that maybe, a different manager might get more from him. It’s well known that Benitez is not a big one for the old “arm around the shoulder” but each manager is different and Benitez recognises this and employs an assistant. In this case Sammy Lee. Babel definately needs to move on. Hopefully to a club where he can be “Numero uno”, with a manager who will constantly tell him how good he is and tuck him in at night.

I also agree on the Degan thing. He has looked ok in parts but he isn’t good enough, consistantly enough. Also he does seem to injure himself farting.

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 6:02 pm

and retroboy good evening, actually agree about aurelio , i think he is weak looking , slow and vulnerable, i d rather have insua/dossena at lb, and as always i love anyone who defends babel and i agree that he looks far better on the right
i hope hope hope aquilani plays in the hole tonight, looking forward to seeing him playing at anfield

Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 9th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

anonymous – November 9th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!! Babel saves liverpool alot of times and riera when he plays good he’s BRILLIANT however the rest should just go cause aurelio fits in for dossena and n’gog fits in for voronin and FINALLY cavalieri AND pepe reina fit in for itandje however babel and riera MUST stay
THIS IS NOT JUST MY OPINION BUT IT’S THE TRUTH

I’d say this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black.

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 6:06 pm

and hoogle , if ryan needs tucking in and being told how good he is then rafa should fucking well do it, if it means we get an excellent footballer playing at the top of his game

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

rafas job is to tuck ryan in bed, and to telklk him how good he is, and boost his confidence

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 6:13 pm

its a pretty easy thing to do when you are getting 20 million for doing it over the next four years

Retryboy - November 9th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

Evening kermit i think aurelio is the best left back we have its just he averages less than 20 games a season, he is 30 so is it ever going to get any better? Dossena might have come good but with the world cup coming up its the best move for him as much as for us. Only problems with stevie g are the quality that has surrounded him, his groin and the balance of the midfield trio. It is rafa that wouldn’t move him back leaving out lucas(know he is massively improved not slating him valuable squad player but not automatic choice by any stretch of the imagination)
Playing yossi in the hole was just too attacking for rafa to handle. The anon who called for us to cash in on him i seriously think was a manc judging by that statement and saying that voronin had proven himself if he’s not he should be.

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

lucas isnt an automatic choice yet, but he will be, i really like dossena, and now with two italians there he may start to feel more at home, i would understand his desire to leave for world cup football too though, its a shame i think he could have been really useful for us.
cant wait for the game this evening, cant wait to actually see aquilani play, i m really excited about him

jimmyk - November 9th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

we cant get rid of babel unless we get i straight swap as we are thin up front. the same goes for riera, who is good, and i dont think we should sell anyway!

sell
———————
dossena
degan
itjandewhatever
brouwer
———————

that will make us about 8-10m.

retardboy - November 9th, 2009 at 6:43 pm

very similiar article to the one at gamebetting . co . uk on their football blog i told you to read last week,go and check it out.

baggins09 - November 9th, 2009 at 6:49 pm

anon 5:42pm stop suggesting di maria he has got a 45m buy out clause in his contract we will not be getting him for 15m we’d be better off putting a bid in for bastos. i do agree with marek hamsik though

id sell
itandje 1.5m
degen 1.5m
voronin 4m
riera 8m
babel 8m
the greek 1.5m
masch 40m
total 64.5m

buy
hamsik 15m
de rossi 20m
bastos 10m or milner 15m
adriano free (alledgedly to a top european team)
richards 14.5
total 59.5- 64.5.

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 6:50 pm

id sell riera if we had a deal in place for juan mata

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 6:53 pm

hamsik is good de rossi is good, i m liking milner this year also, dunno about adriano or richards

retardboy - November 9th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

offer riera or babel and cash for mata

Reds Lewis - November 9th, 2009 at 6:59 pm

STRONGLY DISAGREE
with the selling of riera
Quite how youve come to the conclusion he isnt first team material or worthy of his shirt im not sure….

Hes a more effective WINGER than kuyt is…
Kuyt might be better for scoring goals…but for pace and beating a man…riera beats kuyt.

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

erm i just think riera is a bit hit and miss, he s not quck enough to be an out and out winger, but i do think he is skillfull , just not sure where to put him really

baggins09 - November 9th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

kermit – id use richards at rb and push johnson to rw so it would save buying a right sided player and he could cover cb if we’re desperate. i’d get adriano if its right that he’s free he is quality on his day and could push torres for the starting spot which could only be good for us

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 7:24 pm

hmmm maybe i rate richards i just think centrally we need an aerial defender , either kjaer or hangeland, and i think that richards is a better centre back than full back
i d play babel right wing, he always seems to dfo well there and he has no left foot whatsoever so playing him on the left is useless

kermit - November 9th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

all depends how much ching ching we have in january

...samlfc.... - November 9th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

baggings09
Adriano is great but he has such a bad attitude and we’d sell him becuase of his attitude
i say we should get Carlton cole as he is young,cheapish and would relish the chance of being in thec champions leagu plus he is English.
and also a good right winger would be great and but every other position is fine even subs is ok as some of the talened youngsters can be put on the subs bench.

Sell:
Voronin
Degen
ijandle (or however you spell his name)
Buy:
Carlton Cole
good but cheap right winger

But thats my opinion and i’m being realistic as we obviously not going to spend anything more than £20 million in Jan

baggins09 - November 9th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

samlfc – depends if we cash in on masch mate if we do get about 40m we can easily get a replacement for about 20-25m i’d prefere de rossi

i do agree with you though, no where near as much activity is gonna happen as we would like or need. so been realistic i’d sell masch for 40m get de rossi for 20-25 and then sell voronin, degen and itandje for about 7m and use that and whats left of the masch deal to get lavezzi so he can either play with or cover torres and can also cover both wings. so 4 out 2 in should see us through till summer

baggins09 - November 9th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

it wasn’t attitude it was drinking and fitness i thought, but he’s gonna know its probably his last big chance at a big club a bit like anelka has settled at chelsea, anyway if he’s free and we end up selling him in the summer its all profit so its a win win situation in my mind

...samlfc.... - November 9th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

baggins09 getting de rossi and lavezzi would be great but lets not forget that Masch is one of the best defensive midfielders in the world, if not the best and so it won’t help us if Masch goes mid-way through the season as although Lucas has improved dramtically we can’t rely on him yet as he needs to be almost as good Masch is so atm don’t sell Masch mid-way through the season. I personally don’t want to see him go and if he wants go let him at the end of the season as it could jeapodise our season completely.

However we could get de Rossi as surely not all of the Alonso money went just like that as aquailani was bought with 5 mill from it because we’re paying Roma 5 mill every few months or something and Johnson ws bought before Alonso left……so that means we must have like 25 mill left or something so we could get him or someone else for that matter……..I higly doubt it though

...samlfc.... - November 9th, 2009 at 8:55 pm

And to your second post Baggins09 yeah fair point if he’s free we might aswell and it was a mixture of fitness and a short temper thats why i have doubts about Adriano but if he can keep them both in check then why not as he is world class on his day!

baggins09 - November 9th, 2009 at 9:19 pm

to be fair mate the way masch is playing he’s no where near the player he was last year, and de rossi or even diarra are not that far behind him but with de rossi you have the added bonus of him and aquilani already knowing each others game so he would settle quicker, by jan aquilani should be starting every week and hitting some level of form hopefully, so dropping someone he is already familiar with in behind him should fill him with a bit more confidence than an off form masch.
and if like you say we’ve got the alonso money then you get de rossi keep masch till the summer, drop lucas or masch depending on form and play de rossi along side the other

...samlfc.... - November 9th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

Baggins09
everyone has a bad spell during their career and actually Mascherano is starting to come back to life as Argentina managed to qualify or atleast get to the 5th play-off vs oceania winners or something along them lines and so that lifted a massive weight off his shoulders
And yeah fair point about De Rossi and Aquilani knowing each others game which would help but would Roma want to give us 2 out of 3 of their biggest stars? i doubt it
But lavezzi on the other hand i definately agree with you as he can provide firepower and assisting when Torres is of orwhen he ison respectively but like i said before i expect hardly any activety in the Transfer window but i we do get someone then Carlton Cole would be a great puchase or Lavezzi if we have abit more money

baggins09 - November 9th, 2009 at 9:39 pm

if masch hits form i’d rather keep him too mate all i am saying is if he’s not 100% committed then i’d get rid now and move on,

carlton cole is good but he isn’t as versitile as lavezzi you’ve got cover for 3-4 positions in 1 player with lavezzi

Stillontheperch - November 9th, 2009 at 9:43 pm

Just get someone in who can header the ball away!

...samlfc.... - November 9th, 2009 at 9:46 pm

Fair point if he isn’t commited then he might aswell leave but at the moment he is commited so at the moment we might aswell keep him
and yeah i know but if we can’t have Lavezzi as he is slightly pricey we could gt Carlton Cole as he is chear and is like Lavezzi but less prolific and less versatile but Carlton cole is good for his price though you have to admit that as he is what 6-9 million or so
But i do respect your opinion as you did say some good points and i do understand where your coming from

baggins09 - November 9th, 2009 at 10:11 pm

he would be ok as a back up striker and theres the added bonus of him been english, but i can’t see rafa changing his system to accomodated cole when torres is fit where as lavezzi can push most our attackers for a starting spot and is an allround more useful squad player than cole but if we had enough for both then even better mate