Liverpool Set to Make £11m Move for Ideal Torres Stand In Pavlyuchenko?

Digger - November 12th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

would prefer over cole…. not anything special is a good player.. i still say ADRIANO

Retryboy - November 12th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

Why would spurs loan us a striker? Or sell us one either for that matter they are looking to break top 4 this year and we are the vulnerable ones. He is a quality player can’t see it happening though.

Digger - November 12th, 2009 at 4:49 pm

voronin???? i’d rather have a cold then voronin.

Mr.Red - November 12th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

Hello all,
I think it would be an excellent signing I would go with the loan deal in January, and give him a run into first team action. Depending on who our manager is at the time I truly would like to see him partner Torres in a 4-4-2 type formation, but Benitez probably wouldn’t run that formation in a million years cuz he’s so arrogant even if we still weren’t really winning he wouldn’t change tactics. But I doubt he would still be the manager at that point.

YNWA

Red_Phoenix - November 12th, 2009 at 4:52 pm

Sorry but rubbish rumour.

And he is a rubbish player. Why get a player who is below two of our ‘rejects’? Yes Keane and Crouch shouldn’t have been let go but why get the one who warms their bench?

Retryboy - November 12th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

Would rather see nemeth partner torres if anyone was going to. Especially over all the other names that have been banded around. All the players mentioned aren’t guaranteed success all have risk attached so why not take a chance on a young player who has earnt it and won’t cost a penny.

...samlfc.... - November 12th, 2009 at 5:15 pm

YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE VORONIN!!! when you see voronin on the field you automatically know you wont win…….he is the worst liveprool player to live to date in my opinion and i prefer being nailed to a tree than having him on our team!!

Pavlyuchenko isn’t that great so i would pass on that……..i still think our right wing is more priority

Warren Bloggs - November 12th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

Well everything is speculation but in an ideal world i would love this to happen:

Sold:

Voronin to Hamburg for £5m
Babel to Hamburg in exchange for Elia
Dossena to Napoli for £6m
Itandje on a free (terminate contract)
Mikhaylov to FC Twentev for approx £1m

etc.etc.etc

Buy:

Carlton Cole for £12m
Van der Vaart on a loan with a view to a permanent deal
Koman for £4m
Elia in exchange for Babel
Kjaer for £10m

So we could approx earn up to £7+m in sales and then if we were to be given £15m from our owners (which is realistic) then we could easily afford the above dependant on Rafa wheeling and dealing, this being my only fear: we would have to rely on Rafa.

Warren Bloggs - November 12th, 2009 at 5:27 pm

Anonymous you are an idiot Lucas has been consitstent all seaon and you would want to sell him!! Sell Plessis if anything!

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 5:58 pm

i disagree with the guy that comments on pavlyuchenko as being inferior to keane and crouch
i like him and i ve been watching him long before he came to the uk
hes an intelligent player, just unsure how he would play with torres, hes miles better than carlton cole and a loan move with a view to a permanent one would be an excellent option

i wouldnt sell lucas not when he is starting to come good
plessis i agree is total shite
babel the enigma everyone here knows if he had gone to arsenal he d be tearing defenses apart every week, so why isnt he doing it for us, i wouldn t sell babel or dossena

i would only take this guy on loan, and i would bring nemeth back this january
then our striers are torres pavlyuchenko kuyt babel nemeth ngog
a much healthier looking strike force with options o the bench

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

lucas is gonna be one of the best midfielders in the premiership in the next few years , anyone that wants to sell himneed their head testing

Liverpool FC Danny - November 12th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

He is good, But I don’t think he can cut it in the Premier League!!!!

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

bulshit anon 603
what it means to play for liverpool lately is to take enormous abuse for every mistake you make on the field and their endless criticism, eg lucas dossena babel, kuyt to name but a few
and to get very little support when the chips are down
and of your list of players i d take hangeland and milner and thats it

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:09 pm

i think he can , the question is does he really want to/?

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:10 pm

and to anon 6.09 agree about ngog , he seems to be learning directness from torres eg how he ran at the birmingham defense very torreslike to win the penalty

Reds Lewis - November 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

people who are saying Pav is crap need to check his domestic cup record…e.g games he has actually started in….

If hes only taken on loan, even just til summer I would be happy.

However, Spurs will demand 12 -14 million for him is theyre going to sell him to us….because as mentioned before…spurs are aiming for a top 4 spot…and currently we are the weakest form top 4 side.

If the owners are going to give us any money, id put it towards somebody else.
However if they arent then this guy is a defiante bet.

If they give us money Id like to see the following players sold :

Voronin
Babel
degen
dossena (dont think hes a bad player but dont think hes adapted either)
Itjande
Plessis

This would clear out the dross….and could accumilate to around 20 million.
If the owners gave us 10 million…..

Thats 30 million total.
Id prefer we put n a bid for aguero and pay him the wages of the combined players above…..

Strength in depth is about QUALITY not QUANTITY

Liverpool FC Danny - November 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

anonymous – November 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pm

forget all of them strikers, off load lucas, dossena, deggen, voronin and sell babbel for some good money and get villa in, he will score plently of goals and make liverpool more money thne we can look to buy some quality midfielders to add. thats the best bet.

THE PLAYERS IM ABOUT TO MENTION ARE FIGHERS AND I THINK WOULD UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF PLAYING FOR LIVERPOOL AND WOULD WEAR THE LFC SLOGAN ON THEIR HEARTS LIKE STEVIE G DOES AND I THINK THEY BETTER SUITED TO WINNING IN ENGLAND THAN EUROPEAN PLAYERS,

Micheal Turner (sunderland), Graham Alexander(burnley), James Milner(Villa), Wade Elliot(Burnely), Stephen Hunt(Hull), *Adam Johnson (Middlesbrough)*
Brede Hangeland(fulham), Christopher Samba(Balckburn), Luka Modric(tottenham), Mark Noble(West Ham)

They are all useless!!! Not good enough for Liverpool, except for Modri, James Milner and maybe Adam Johnson, Hangeland and maybe Noble.

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:17 pm

you arent obviously seeing what lucas is going to become , the greek admittedly isnt up to the level required, but lucas is the best passer in our team currently, he is by far the most accurate passer, and yeah he is still lacking in confidence, from two years of abuse and fans screaming lucas out, but still he stands up, he plays a role which isnt natural to him, he isnt a holding midfielder, he s a box to box midfielder and he still is doing a good job , and havent you noticed lately that as he plays more he is even becoming more adventurous in an attacking sense , give lucas time, no one has ever been a brazil captain at any level without being a very very good footballer

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

bashing lucas is one of my pet hates of liverpool supporters , bashing ryan babel is my second and bashing dossena is my third

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

i ve just got a feeling in my bones that by the time lucas is 24 hes gonna be in the form of his life

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

look at the list of players that have won brazils player of the season awards
kaka ronaldo, tevez romario falcao zico and lucas, plus lucas won it younger than any of them
he s in good company wouldnt you agree

Mr.Red - November 12th, 2009 at 6:23 pm

kermit – November 12th, 2009 at 5:58 pm hes miles better than carlton cole and a loan move with a view to a permanent one would be an excellent option

Thank you kermit. We need strikers and stop mentioning David Villa and Augero everyone! yes, I woud love to have them as well but we dont have the money period. So let’s shop for actually possible players and Pavlyuchenko is a realistic option.

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

lucas has taken a long time adapting, and is i think a little in awe/intimidated by gerrard, the primary reason being lucas was initially bought as gerrards long term succesor, and maybe gerrard couldnt have him doing too well so soon, add to this him leaving home for the first time, having to adapt to a new language and culture , then add relentless booing by fans that expected too much of him too soon and a manager that foolishly threw him in at the deep end too soon, i think you would be a fool to write lucas off

Mr.Red - November 12th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

kermit – November 12th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
i ve just got a feeling in my bones that by the time lucas is 24 hes gonna be in the form of his life

Agreed and were going to really need him in case Mascherano leaves.

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:28 pm

mr red i watched him while he was playing in the russian league and i was impressed, this guy has talent, but maybe he isnt happy in london in england once again he needs to settle is learning a new language and way of life
spurs loss could be our gain, but definately i d take him on loan with a view to buying, that way its no big loss if he doesnt succeed and a huge gain if he does, and i would set the buying price now when we take him on loan, get it in a contract that we have an option to buy at ten million come the summer

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:29 pm

nah if mascherano leaves we buy steven defour from liege, a move i wouldnt mind seeing happening anyway

Reds Lewis - November 12th, 2009 at 6:30 pm

Kermit 6.28pm

Well said.

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:31 pm

every part of my body is urging lucas to do well, while i m watching games , i am so eager for him to ram the words hes not good enough for liverpool back down so called supporters throats
wait til lucas nets a few goals, its gonna happen, he has come close in recent weeks
wait til he starts scoring a few and the kop start to love him, then we will see what lucas is really capable of

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:33 pm

and i will smile all the while he grows in stature, knowing that from day one he has had my full support

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 6:38 pm

and now while people are injured i want to see babel given a real go, preferably on the right wing, where he plays best in my opinion, but benitez s bumchum kuyt always gets the nod, and poor mr babel gets ten mins at the end of a game to get involved and make a telling contribution
which has done , he s got a lot of goals and important ones coming on late in games, but i wanna see him have a rela run in the team not one game , he plays badly then he doesnt get another chance for a month and a half, thats no good for him or his confidence or for liverpool to be honest, he is one of the finest talents around, and everyone of you would admit that if he were at arsenal he would be a massive player for them by now

Retryboy - November 12th, 2009 at 6:42 pm

Everyone was on lucas back last season because he was terrible and rafa kept picking him despite the fact he was terrible he would leave him on the pitch when we needed a goal and take benayoun off! Now he has improved people are off his back but some are going the other way thinking he is better than he is best passer at the club? Gerrard’s replacement? Best midfielder in the premiership? come on! Can tell if we sold him and babel right now it would be babel that would go on to be the world beating £30m under the right management not lucas he is a squad player not a world beater

Retryboy - November 12th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

Ayala has signed a four year deal but ecclestone has rejected a new contract club and player haven’t commented why yet. Hope its nothing major and we don’t lose him he is a great prospect.

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 7:20 pm

sit back and watch him retroboy, lucas hasnt shown one tenth of his abilty yet

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 7:22 pm

and totally agree that kuyt need to be dropped from the starting line up, babel needs to take his place in the right wing for some games, dirk is having a bad season again so far

kermit - November 12th, 2009 at 7:23 pm

i m not dreading gerrard retiring or torres leaving, if that happens we d move on adapt because we would have to

Retryboy - November 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pm

Would rather sit back and watch a midfield of mascherano, aquilani, gerrard, babel on the right benayoun on the left myself. Would be happy to call on lucas if any injuries happened to mascherano though.

Red_Phoenix - November 12th, 2009 at 7:42 pm

anonymous – November 12th, 2009 at 6:57 pm

I’ve said since last season that Kuyt should be dropped. He is a major cause to the imbalance of the team and why we don’t break teams down as often as we should. Last year he should have been dropped for Benayuon who was in the form of his life and has continued his form this year. Unfortunately, Rafa continues to show favouritism towards Kuyt, elevating him to the 3rd most important person in the team after Stevie G and Carragher. Kuyt represents Rafa’s stubborness. Remember this is someone who he chased for 2 years and really he has nothing special about him whatsoever. His workrate is great but so is just about every other Liverpool player on the pitch and sorry workrate is not going to win you the league, ask West Brom, West Ham, Sunderland etc
Dare i say it but Babel would probably do better there. Look at his assist for Torres. Apart from Johnson, i don’t think anyone else could have gotten to the byeline and given such great delivery. Also, he always looks dangerous there and i think its no coincidence with the fact that he uses pace and is right footed! So stick him where he is most effective. I don’t think he should be striker though, doesn’t play well with back to goal whereas Ngog seems to be a bit more like it.

Now with Pavlyuchenko, he seems to be just like Kuyt. Nothing special about him, similar physique, no pace and no height ie no threat in the air. Rafa should shuffle it around and play 2 up front with Kuyt and Torres and Babel on the right. This is wisful thinking because of Rafa. Sorry to say but his stubborness and lack of imagination in getting the best out of players among other things, make me question his character as a mangaer and whether he thinks about the best for LFC

Retryboy - November 12th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Excellent post red phoenix spot on about kuyt, babel, pavlyuchenko, rafa. Really thought after the west ham game rafa would finally realise that babel is ideally suited to play on the right. The fact he has never played there again since is criminal. Only thing slightly differ on is would have nemeth back and up front with torres instead of kuyt.

Donavan Ried - November 12th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

said a long time ago, when he first joined Spurs that i would like to see him at Liverpool ……
The Good thing here is that Rafa is considering players being loaned to the club….. Long over due if you ask me

Donavan Ried - November 12th, 2009 at 8:14 pm

Sorry, Good Evening Red_Phoenix, kermit,Reds Lewis, Warren Bloggs,…samlfc….,Retryboy, and All hail THE CHOSEN ONE …….And anyone else posting with a name ……

Reds Lewis – November 12th, 2009 at 6:11 pm ……..”people who are saying Pav is crap need to check his domestic cup record…e.g games he has actually started in….
If hes only taken on loan, even just til summer I would be happy.” ……..

Have to agree with Reds Lewis here …..

Liverpool FC Danny - November 12th, 2009 at 8:18 pm

Get Luis Suarez and Stevan Jovetic. Two young playrs a about 15 million each with the potential to be the best. We could get Suarez for Babel + 9 million and Jovetic for Dossena + 12 million:
—————-Reina————-
————-Usual back 4————
———Mascherano—Gerrard———-
-Aquilani————————–Jovetic——–
————-Suarez—–Torres————-

Jovetic will be the left sided Messi!!!!

Liverpool FC Danny - November 12th, 2009 at 8:25 pm

Pav is 27 now, TOO OLD!!!!!!! Will not get much better than he is now. Suarez and Jovetic on the other hand are stars of the future!!! Fast, Young, Smart, Good at Dribbling, Can score goals and Can also Assist!!!

...samlfc.... - November 12th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

Evening Donavan you alright and hows things?
and lol liverpool FC Danny how is 27 old!!! 25-28 is when you hit your peak as a striker ha! Torres is 25 only 2 years younger than him but i can see your point though about young strikers but we have that in N’gog and Nemeth when he coems back so like i said before Stirker isn’t as important as Right wing as we need an out and out right winger!!
strikers we have Torres,N’gog,Kuyt,Babel(when needed) and unfortuatley Voronin so we are equiped for Strikers but Right wingers however we only really have Kuyt and possibly Babel a lthough Babel is good on the right wing when he’s played their, we need an out and out one!!

Red_Phoenix - November 12th, 2009 at 9:55 pm

Retryboy – November 12th, 2009 at 8:00 pm

Evening Donavan Ried

Retryboy. Thanks. With regards to Nemeth, I do think he should be given a chance but not as a starter just yet. That goes for a few of our talented youngsters, Pachecho especially looks a precocious talent and should be getting a look in. Rafa seems oldschool in his mentality in thinking that age means seniority regardless of talent. As long as he has this philosophy, i cant imagine the likes of Nemeth and Pachecho having too much of a look in but someone like Voronin having a go. Owen, Gerrard, Fowler and co have all shown that if you’re good enough, you’e old enough. How much of this ‘philosophy’ is down to putting Voronin and even Babel [immensely under used under Rafa] in the shop window to raise their value i don’t know. Kyrgiakos might be the clue ie Ayala, Kelly etc are the worse for it, look at Johnny Evans at Man U

Retryboy - November 12th, 2009 at 10:25 pm

Exactly..nemeth was good enough and 18 at the time we bought voronin the same age as owen and god got their debuts darby the same when we bought degen, kelly and ayala when kyrgiakos was bought and insua when dossena came in these are all the players that everyone wants sold now but they should never have been bought and now 2 years later in some cases they are still taking away opportunities and filling up the carling cup team over better youngsters. We have a group of young players in nemeth, pacheco, darby, kelly, ayala, ecclestone, amoo who could put us back to the top of world football like the beckham generation did for united and rafa’s management is wasting that talent as well as babels. This is my biggest problem with benitez by far

Aquaman - November 13th, 2009 at 2:13 pm

Yes. I’m back. Technically I never left but COS decided it hated me and refused to let me post. But I forgive it, for old time’s sake.

Now. I don’t understand why everyone is slating Insua. This is my problem with youngsters being thrown in the deep end (I can already hear the mobs yelling that he’s had plenty of time). The problem I have is not with the youngsters themselves, but with the kneejerk fans and their expectations.

When players break into teams at a young age they won’t be perfect. Hell, they may even be completely awful. This actually means very little though. We’ve seen how Lucas has changed and those who take off their hate tinted glasses will agree that he is showing real quality in his passing at the moment. Quote me: Lucas will be a key LFC player in the future.

The hell that Lucas had to go through to get to this stage is incredible. Not every player could pull themselves out of what Lucas has. The man has my utmost respect, and I wouldn’t wish his trials to befall anyone else.

Enter Insua. Is it just me or have the Lucas bashers just moved on to fresher prey? Yes, the kid is not perfect, but he’s shown enough at his age for me to think that he’ll be really good in the future. I don’t think he should be starting every week, but we haven’t really had a choice, and perhaps a run of games will do him good.

A good example is Shawcross who the mancs deemed to be “not good enough to wear the shirt”. Now he’s “the best young English centreback” and the mancs want him back. Amazing how time and a few games can change a person’s opinion.

On to pavy boy.

I will admit that I don’t like him. I’d rather have a Tevez who works hard and can’t score than a Berbatov who doesn’t and can’t score either, if you’ll forgive the despicable manc analogy. Pav falls into the latter category for me while Kuyt falls in the former. Obviously the best scenario is a Torres who is a perfect mix of both worlds.

I’ll put it this way: if pav is available for that price and is willing to sit on a red bench rather than a white one, then I’ll take him. Any more money or more pitch time, and I’d rather have Cole for that little bit extra.

Donavan Ried - November 13th, 2009 at 2:20 pm

…samlfc…. – November 12th, 2009 at 8:59 pm …… Not to bad at the moment, thank for asking …..
…samlfc…. How old are you if you don’t mind me asking??? …… You don’t have to anwser if you wish not to …..

Red_Phoenix – November 12th, 2009 at 9:55 pm …….. Unfortunately (For Nemeth and Pachecho’s chances of playing first team football) I think that you have hit the nail right on the head ……

Aquilani4goals - November 13th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

aquaman thanks for your post I have being waitin for your post…aways looking forward to your thots on liverpool issues….dont you rafa should give pacheco a chance in the first team now that riera and bennyoun are injured ?your thot on this..

Aquilani4goals - November 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm

what do you think about glen johnson to player right wing?

Digger - November 13th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

i thinka glen johnson player righta winga good!!!!

what ya thinka kuyt player righta backa????

Digger - November 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pm

cool name aquaman?, like your opinions my fellow red brother… insua is a good young player, he’s played more games then he should have at the left back position due to dossena and aurelio… i feel the people having a go at insua will get on pacheco’s and nemeths back when they get into the team.

look at spearing, there are people who i’ve spoken to saying that he doesn’t deserve to wear the shirt??? first rafa doesn’t play the youth then he gets slated when he does. spearing, darby, kelly, eccelstone, nemeth, ayala, pacheco, are young kids and they need time to develop.

Digger - November 13th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

Aquilani4goals -hope you well mate. seriuosly think johnson for right wing is great, i know it sounds crazy but i really love kuyt and the way the guy would bleed for liverpool. i think with his qualities as a work horse and a great tackler, and he’s not a bad passer of the ball convert him to def midfielder, he plays as a defensive winger as it is…. serious just thin about it its not as crazy as you think….what do think?

Retryboy - November 13th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

Don’t think many people are on insua’s back they shouldn’t be anyway. I just think we need a number one with him to be back up to while he keeps developing. I wouldn’t have the youngsters straight into the first team but wouldn’t have so many squad players blocking their way eg would just have skrtel as back up to carragher and agger and then kelly and ayala. Kyrgiakos adds nothing just takes away opportunity. Nemeth and pacheco are special talents. Nemeth is 20 now and has always scored a goal every 2 games whatever. He has gone into a struggling athens team, new league, new country and done the same and more than goals its his link up play he does some outrageous back heeled passes, flicked through balls henry-esque skills that shows in man of the match performances and getting most valuable player in the whole league in his first couple of weeks. You’ve got to look more at the likes of owen and fowler in at 17 and 18 and never once looking out of their depth nemeth would be the same. Pacheco came into the reserves at 16 and he was straight away running rings around older players with a great footballing brain he plays more in the hole with precision passing and more comfortable on the ball than most in the first team. Their talent and mentality makes them ready to be the back ups and when we get injuries and these 2 get the chance liverpool fans will see our future heroes.

Retryboy - November 13th, 2009 at 8:52 pm

Lmao hungary games/goals u17-9/11 u19-15/14 u20-6/3 u21-1/1 top scorer in the reserve league for us, liverpool young player of the year 2008 and you think he might be a good squad player and get the odd goal? I think thats a better record than owen, fowler or anyone except they didn’t have a benitez trying to prove they hadn’t made a mistake in buying voronin and refusing to ever play 2 strikers to get past.

RaNE - November 13th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

Warren Bloggs wasnt itandje sold already to a greek club?

me - November 14th, 2009 at 1:38 am

I realy think their is something wrong with liverpool fans these days we fans at 1 time were the most respected because with the glory we had we knew how the game should be played when a good player comes around and we always got behind the team no matter what

you idiots out their calling for raffas,lucas,insua,kuyt and the season before last alonso’s head’s have no right to call yourself pool fans fuck of back to the hole you came from.

As for RP i think he is a decent player would rather nemeth back but we will just have to wait for that 1

Mentioning players like Villa and Augero is a waist of time as they can not be afforded if that was the case lets get ribery messy and any other fucker who will bankrupt the club.

VDV on lone yes RP lone yes and anybody half decent on lone yes we need cover all over the place as recent injuries have shown

I always said Lucas would come good myself Raffa and a few others here are finaly justifed we need to support this team because it’s the only 1 we got so all you idiots who think they know whats best for LIVERPOOL FOOTBALL CLUB fuck off and let the club do the talking

Aquaman - November 14th, 2009 at 1:31 pm

Johnson on the wing… Interesting.

There’s no question he’s got the ability to play there, but if he does then who playes right back? Degen? Carra? (Youngsters shouldn’t be starting every week, which is why I exclude them)

At the moment I’m quite pleased with the Kuyt Johnson partnership. Kuyt pretty much plays second fiddle to Johnson. He wins the ball and passes it to Johnson during an attack, and he runs like a mad man to get a tackle in when Johnson is caught out of position. He’s just the sort of man that Johnson needs.

I do agree though. He would be fantastic on the wing. Maybe if we get another rightback (or wait for Darby or Kelly to break through) then we’ll see Johnson move up. This would be the ideal case for me.

Also to the people knocking Kuyt, the man is a champion. Whether he’s got the ability or not he embodies the Liverpool spirit. I was not surprised at all to see Kuyt wearing the armband against Birmingham. He has just as much determination and drive as Gerrard and scores those important goals for us, because he never gies up.

Rafa loves people with this mentality. He buys captains. Think of our squad: Gerrard, Carra, Kuyt, Yossi, Masch, Reina, Keane (eventhough he’s gone). All of these players are either captains or would be anywhere else. This is where our unbeatable spirit came from last year. Babel is struggling because he lacks this spirit. Lucas is thriving because he has it in spades.

Great call to the man who said he would be captain. I have no doubts that this will be true. Give it 5 years and he will be our man.

To the anonymi who think differently, I coudn’t be bothered to argue. Register and I may reconsider.

Retryboy - November 14th, 2009 at 7:53 pm

Afternoon aquaman not often i disagree with your posts but…Youngsters shouldn’t be starting every week? Ah the old you don’t win anything with kids routine. We all know what happened there! Darby and kelly are quality thats all that matters. Wouldn’t it be strange to have the defender being the better defensively and the attacker getting to the byline putting in crosses! I know too radical lol sure Evra and clichy manage to get forward really well having normal wingers ahead of them its the defensive midfielder or midfielders in our case that do the covering rather have babel on the right any day of the week and nemeth up front with torres instead of lucas in midfield. Mascherano is all the cover a defence needs. No other wide player in the world is in there as much for his defensive abilities as kuyt he is a good player but in no way should he be automatic choice especially not in the form he has shown recently.

Aquaman - November 14th, 2009 at 9:34 pm

he he. Retryboy. I think we are just going to have to accept that we’re never going to agree on this issue. You clearly have far more trust in the young guns than I do. As I said before its not that I doubt their talents, just their consistency. I don’t expect them to play like champs week in and week out because they don;t have the experience. However the kneejerkers and press don’t have such a forgiving outlook. I realise this is a pretty weak argument, but it’s what I feel.

I do agree that Kuyt shouldn’t be an automatic choice on his pedigree alone, but I think that he has an incredible influence on the team just by his presence. It’s a similar story with Reina (although he’s good enough to be first choice). Pepe got commended recently by one of our players for his ability to hold the team together, and he’s a goalkeeper! The huddle before the manc game (i think…) was his idea that he proposed on the spot. And what an influence that had!

What!?! the winger playing as a winger while the fullback plays as a fullback? That’s outrageous! It’ll never catch on! (muahahah sorry…) Joking aside, I think that we have a unique position at LFC. We have a fullback who should be a winger and a striker-come-winger who’s better at being a defender than a winger. Who could have written that script? But as I said above, I really think that they compliment each other well. Johnson looks suspect defensively when he doesn’t have Kuyt ahead of him. It would be interesting to see, but I’m pretty sure playing Babel in front of him would end badly.

Also, remember how the press went on and on about how Kuyt doesn’t score enough goals? Remember how he then broke his personal record at the club? Kuyt is worth the gamble. Even if he’s out of form I would still play him, if only because he’d still be running after playing through extra time.

Retryboy - November 15th, 2009 at 9:09 am

Agreed difference it is then lol would say that johnson for england is fine with lennon/wright-phillips ahead of him and playing with him providing all the width from full back is a recipe for disaster. Kuyt may track back but a fast winger like lennon he wouldn’t see for dust. A more conventional set-up means he still gets forward just not constantly. Like the idea being thrown around of kelly/darby and johnson further forward think glens crossing needs to be worked on massively but definitely an option. Finnan was the best crosser of a ball at the club in his stay and since then all the full backs seem to be let down by it kelly/darby the exception aurelio is a great crosser but hasn’t got the pace to get into the areas from full back. Would have insua and johnson working on that part of their game in training. Another reason would have babel on the right a pin point cross gets you goals when you have torres in the box. Would have the whole team working on how to take corners too! Might find someone in this squad of talented players who can beat the first man consistently!

shavnair - November 15th, 2009 at 9:16 am

hands off kuyt and lucas… kuyt is inspirational team player and i agree with aquaman .. kuyt and johnson complement each others ability well on the right… Lucas has improved a lot .. bit more confidence and games he’ll be an asset to the team…
we just need a left winger( elia ) , midfield ( koman ), and striker ( Pav or Cole )

could get rid off dossena, voronin, plessis… keep babel or loan him out till world cup is over.

...samlfc.... - November 15th, 2009 at 9:53 am

Donavan Ried – November 13th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Good to hear
and why your asking? lol i’m 16 but i follow the team every possible day and i only ever talk about Liverpool…….and maybe the PS3 lol
I know that i’m young but that doesn’t mean i’m not a true supporter of Liverpool as i have supported them since i can remember and my dads mate gave me millions of videos(i do mean videos lol it was ages ago) of past liverpool games and gave me a history lesson about Liverpool f.c when i was like 5 and so yeah thats my age….
i don’t know what the reactions going to be (hopefully good) but you asked a question and i answered it

back to the main topic, why is people slating Lucas and saying he is bad etc?
i’ll admit i didn’t like him at the start of the season but i’m starting to warm towards him as his performances are great…….doesn’t mean i like him as much as other players in our team but he is doing well atm and Kuyt maybe abit slow and his form may have dropped but if we could put him as second striker his assists will prove vital and besides he was and out-and-out striker in Holland so he could be good for when Torres is injured aswell.

kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 10:23 am

yay aquaman we agree on lucas, agree totally with your earlier post
a lesser footballer would be scared to look at a football at this stage

kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 10:37 am

lucas was immense against birmingham, winning tackles everywhere, and agreed once agaij sami kuyt is a second striker he ought tp play alongside torres at home, i am happy now that babel ought to get a decent run in the team, with yossi and riera out injured surely babel must get a decent run of games, most likely on his unfavoured left wing, i like seeing him on the right, he looks more dangerous there

lucas is my fav liverpool player, torres is a god along with stevie g, but for what lucas has come through, it says a lot about him as a character. future liverpool captain, hes niot the most exciting player to watch, yet but he has starting coming good and winning over fans

we have exciting players babel aquilani gerrard and tores, all capable of getting goals out of nothing, add yossi to this list, kuyt is quite the poacher, and even riera is good on his day

lampard is fucked
drogba out for a month, isnt terry injured also, though i think alex is totally wasted on the bench and we ought to bid for him

man utd are vastly overrated , id be worried about rooney gettng injured if i wasa manc supporter

van persie out for four month
bendtner outfor two months

who says the league is over

gerrard coming back to fitness, ngog proving he can do it, aquilani fit , babel finding a little form, lucas also, much as i hate the result against birmingham, people have to admit we played well and deserved to win the game by about five goals

when you walk through a storm hold your head up high………
…..at the end of the storm there s a goalden sky and the sweet silver song of the lark

ynwa

kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 10:44 am

lucas will be captain for certain if rafa stays, and someone mentioned kuyt for right back, i d thought about that before but kuyt s tackling is suspect, and hed give away too many penalties at right back, torres isnt fit at the moment
so formation like this

usual back four
then masch plus lucas
rm gerrard cm aquilani lm babel up front ngog

kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 10:55 am

if lucas gets more confidence he ll be banging in goals from outside the box brazilian style, i am certain of this, this is why he was bought, because this is what he can do, he has just suffered so much at the hands of the anfield faithful, i know the guy is not gerrard but he doeshave this abilty to score goals from outside the box like gerrard, we just havent seen it yet as his confidence has been so low , wait until he gets one or two goals
rafa slapped a 14 million price tag on him, if it was me the price tag would be 25 million, because that is how much it would take me to currently even consider selling him
i think the relatinship between gerrard and lcas is the problem, gerrard has been the main man for so long in midfield, what does he do if suddnly the kop finds a new golden boy, i ve seen lucas when hewas younger, i know what he can doits no surprise that he started to flourish in gerarrds absence, i just hope that gerrard now can appreciate what lucas can offer rather than intimidating him back into a non entity, they showed against birmingham they can play well together with lucas breaking up balland feeding gerrard, i m content for him to do this til gerrards pace drops and he has t move back to being a holding midfielder or playmaker like scholes did at man utd, that time is comingfortunately rafa has been wise enough to sign aquilani to replace gerrards attacking threat in the next couple of years and will continue to employ lucas as a holdingmidfielder

brazil u 20 captain
youngest ever winner of brazils golden boot, previously won by ronaldo romario kaka tevez,
does this sound like a guy with no ability
does it sound like a guy who is shit

viva lucas pezzini leiva

baggins09 - November 15th, 2009 at 11:01 am

i agree he was an attacking mid when we bought him and its only the manner he’s been getting played in which has hindered him, again its down to rafa making square pegs fit round holes to suit his formation

kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 11:03 am

anyone who is a fan of lucas ought to bombard his facebook page with wellwishes, he deserves a little support

kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 11:05 am

as a square peg in a round hole lucas has adapted pretty well to breaking up play and tackling , he has become quite good at it, something very positive i would think in his longterm all round development, and it does speak volumes that he can adapt to a new psoition so well and make mascherano someone whose game is styled as adefensive midfielder look inferior in this position, i d love to see him get a few goals and explode onto the scene properly

kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 11:07 am

he was an attacking midfielder and he hasnt lost that abilty, its there bubbling waiting to shine again, but now he has added a new biting dimension to his game , i actually believe he will become the complete midfielder if given a chance, and maybe this has been rafa s plan all along, work on the inferior side of hs game til gerrard is past it, i truly believe lucas will be in the top three prem midfielders within two years and potentially the best within four or five

Donavan Ried - November 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pm

…samlfc…. – November 15th, 2009 at 9:53 ……
It was just some of the things you have mentioned in previous posts, just made me curious …. … your not like the 16 year olds around hear, there more like the Kevin and Perry character that Harry Enfield and Co plays …. You a very polite for a 16year old. Your mother and father should be proud of you ……

Anyway ……
Having thought this over i think that we should not bring any players in ,in this up coming transfer window, but instead, tough it out and use the players that we have(After selling players like Babel and Voronin). Review the team at the end of the season and make our moves then ….. I worried if we don’t we will end up with more players like Voronin and Babel ……..

Question is anyone. ….. Is Aquilani Injuried again? ….

me – November 14th, 2009 at 1:38 am …….”I realy think their is something wrong with liverpool fans these days we fans at 1 time were the most respected because with the glory we had we knew how the game should be played when a good player comes around and we always got behind the team no matter what” ……..
You hit the nail on the head without relizing it. You said “when a good player comes around” …… The likes of Lucas and Voronin are mediocre players, and there a few too many at the club at present …..

...samlfc.... - November 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pm

Donavan Ried – November 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Thanks mate means alot
but may i ask what post made you curious about my age and why?

kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

sam lfc i would guess because for a 16 yr old you dont tak lik dis, you make some pretty good points and its obviousyou study the game quite in depth

...samlfc.... - November 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pm

kermit – November 15th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Thanks Kermit i always try and give my opinions and respect other peoples opinions aswell on Liverpool games or anything on Liverpool for that matter and i’ve never ever spoken like that in my life lol never have and never will.
but thanks Donavan Ried and Kermit

Donavan Ried - November 16th, 2009 at 12:25 pm

…samlfc…. Sorry if this reply reaches you late, be I am experiencing problems with my Cable/Internet at present …

…samlfc…. – November 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pm ….. No post in particular, just in one you said that you have not got sky and that you watch the match at you grandparents. In another you said that you were listening to the coverage of the Lyon Game on Sky Sports News (Free view I’m guessing. No Cable?)….. Just that and a couple other things that you have eluded to in the past ……..

As Kermit said you carry yourself well and show respect to others ….