Should Celtic and Rangers Be Added to the Premier League?
by Mr Neutral on November 12th, 2009 886 words | 12 commentsJust for the sake of it, see below a pic of the most famous phone booth in Scotland, used in the best movie ever made by a Scottish director that is in fact the best movie of all time!

The plans, drawn up by Bolton chairman Phil Gartside, are intended to bridge the financial gap between the Premier League elite and the rest of the game, but they are thought to have little chance of being accepted by a majority of club chairmen.
Gartside has circulated a summary of his proposals running to just two pages to club chairmen in the Premier League and Championship.The document, produced in response to Premier League chairman Richard Scudamore’s call for contributions to a strategic review, outlines six key points, which Gartside says will increase the popularity and profitability of the game.
The document proposes increasing the total number of teams in the Premier League by extending it to two divisions, split into an upper and lower tier.
The upper tier would be 18 teams, while Celtic and Rangers would be invited to join the lower tier, which has an unspecified number of clubs.Increased overseas TV revenues and the £36 million in parachute payments that presently go to relegated clubs would be used to “seed fund” the expansion.
Sources at the Premier League and Football League have indicated that the Gartside proposal, though well-meaning, has little chance of gaining momentum among clubs.
His motivation is to protect the ability of sides such as Bolton to compete, and to cushion the blow for those relegated, where broadcast revenues are less than 10 per cent of those in the Premier League.While a number of club chairmen share his concerns, he is likely to fall short of the 14 that will be required to effect change. A more likely outcome is that his intervention will spark renewed debate about the distribution of television revenue within the league.
At the moment the club finishing bottom receive about 60 per cent of the sum paid to the champions. Last season that amounted to a gap of £20 million between the £51m paid to Manchester United and the £31m received by West Bromwich Albion.
This gap is exacerbated by the extra revenue earned by Champions League clubs, which has helped polarise the league between the ‘Big Four’ and the rest.
Celtic and Rangers’ inclusion is also likely to meet with opposition, with Scudamore already having indicated that it is unlikely.
There are major security concerns about admitting the Old Firm clubs to English football, and there would be significant resistance from the Football Associations in England and Scotland.
The impact on Scottish football would be devastating, removing the primary source of income for all clubs.
Stoke chairman Peter Coates agreed with Gartside that the English game needed reviewing but said he would not support the Old Firm proposal: “We have lots of fine clubs in England to play and we have a system that has worked very well in a competitive sense.
“We have 20 teams in the Premier League and they are all tough games. If Celtic and Rangers were to come in, after a while that would become the norm. It would be no big thing. I think the minuses outweigh the pluses.”Gartside’s formula:
1: Expand total number of teams in Premier League.
2: Extend league to two divisions split into upper and lower tier.
3: Reduce upper tier to 18 teams. Number in lower tier not specified.
4: Use extra overseas TV revenue and £36?million parachute payments to fund expansion.
5: Invite Celtic and Rangers to join lower tier.
6: Consider the regulatory challenges, mainly from English and Scottish FAs. (Daily Telegraph)
So essentially we have two issues here and it appears that whilst the idea of splitting the Premier League into two tiers could well breath more life into the ‘lower’ leagues it seems highly unlikely that any planned inclusion of Celtic and Rangers will simply not get off the ground.
This old chestnut comes around pretty much every year and whilst I can understand why both sides want to be moved into the Premier League I can also see the myriad issues against such a move. At the very least surely if either Glasgow side wanted to compete in the top tier of English football they would have to do so the hard way and make their way through the league system as this is after all how all the other sides have to do so.
The fact that Celtic and Rangers are a country mile ahead of their Scottish competitors probably says as much about the lack of investment in their fellow SPL counterparts than it does about the manner in which the Old Firm clubs are run.
There is just no comparison between the spending power available to the Scottish giants when aligned and contrasted with just how little the other members of the Scottish League have to play with.
In theory I think we can all agree that it would be very interesting to see just how well Tony Mowbray and Walter Smith’s sides would do when pitted against the cream of the English crop but in practice it just doesn’t seem plausible. Who would like to see this pipe dream finally come to fruition and who is happy to keep the status quo?
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anonymous - November 12th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I agree that if they want to play in the premier league they should start in League Two at least, hell it might still be financially more appealing to them even starting that low.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 12th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
I thought that the Premier league was for English teams? Forgive me if I’m wrong but aren’t Rangers and Celtic Scottish teams? How about the top teams from the Dutch, Belgian, and other weak leagues play in the Premier league too? What happens if Celtic and Rangers do end up in the Premier league and say, Aberdeen and Dundee then become the dominant teams in the Scottish league. Do we then let them come to the Premier league?
baggins09 - November 12th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
no they shouldn’t be allowed (and neither should cardiff or swansea), why should our fans have to travel to another country for away games just because there league is shit? like hoogleboogy said where do you draw the line what happens if some irish teams fancy a bit of extra cash?
unless scotland wants to give up its name and become part of england and dissolve scotland as a country no they shouldn’t be allowed to join.
anonymous - November 12th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
3 cheers for the easily offended tims
the england haters of celtic will never be welcome south of the border!
anonymous - November 12th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
so relieved not to be invited to stick our noses into murdochs trough,the day of reckoning for all but the top 6-7 teams in england may still be some way off but i for one yearn for the day when its English football turn to face the economic reality of no sky cash and falling attendances,so sleep well little englanders your day will come. yours hayzaboy(celtic fan).
Jed - November 15th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
how would a “second tier” be any different to the championship?? the only way the blow of being relegated can be cushioned is if the FA distribute the tv rights money more evenly
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
i dont agree with the second tier league
althogugh rangers and celtic should be put in the championship and then work there way into the premier league
its unfair that scottish teams arent allowed in the english league but yet swansea, cardiff and wrexhem are and there welsh teams
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
looks like old firm move now drad and buried after votes on thursday but i feel sorry for rangers a proper british team theres no way they were getting in after celtics shamefull display during last weeks minute silence a disgrace to scotland come on premier chairmen rethink your decision but only for rangers and let celtic go back to eire where they say they come from i am wigan fan ]
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Absolutely no way should these two be allowed into the Premier League.We do not want your bigotry South of the border.It makes me laugh that these two are so desperate to join the Premier League when Scotland as a country seems to getting more detached from the UK.I would also go as far and question why Cardiff,Wrexham and Swansea are allowed to play in the English league for similar reasons.Maybe all these clubs should form their own league with perhaps Scandanavian clubs.
fannyboz - November 19th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
As a Rangers fan, I am fully aware that both Old Firm teams have an idiotic element within their supporters and it’s safe to say that most of England wouldn’t want us there anyway. Rangers and Celtic, at this present moment, would struggle to stay in the Championship and I’m sick to the back teeth of English based media constantly stuffing that fact down our throats. Our problem is that we are too big for our league and we cannot achieve our full potential playing the likes of Falkirk and St Mirren every other week. But we’ll carry on regardless, knowing that the two “really” big clubs in Britain are 90-odd miles on the wrong side of the border. And as for you, baggins09, Scotland will never become a part of England because we are already together in a Union, with our soldiers dying in your wars.
anonymous - November 27th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
OI JOCK IT WAS BLAIR THE ARCH JOCK THAT DECLARED AN ILLEGAL WAR.AND IT IS THE JOCKS LABOUR PARTY THAT IS ALLOWING ENGLAND TO BE SWAMPED BY ILLEGALS AND ASYLUM SEEKERS.SO ALL YOU JOCKS IN ENGLAND CAN PISS OFF.I WOULD RATHER HAVE A WAR AGAINST YOU JOCKS THAN THE TALEBAN.
anonymous - December 3rd, 2009 at 7:56 am
I find it hilarious that you call the Scots bigots or have anything to say about the way we act. Take a look at your own football fans, we don’t go rioting in every country we travel to. Even funnier still that grown men are incapable of holding a conversation about football without going to the level of slanging cheap insults.
Poor show.