Liverpool To Sell £15m Pair to Fund Raid for Wing Wizard Elia
by YNWA on November 15th, 2009 487 words | 52 commentsRafa makes January plans.
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Here we find ourselves slap bang in the middle of another damn international break, only this one is even more torrid than others as there are barely any meaningful internationals to hold our attention. So with that in mind there was an interesting transfer rumour that would in theory make a great deal of sense and has just about the right amount of common sense to be believable.
The idea is this. Rafa is looking to finance a move for the very exciting Hamburg winger Eljero Elia, essentially almost the same prospect as Ryan Babel was before we purchased him, i.e. he is a hot prospect and could be a fantastic signing. One can only hope that this Dutch international lives up the hype if indeed we do snare him.
However, in order to come up with the cash for said move we need £15m and it has been stated in many quarters that the gaffer sees this cash coming from the sale of Mr. Babel and homesick Italian Andrea Dossena.
You see in theory this makes sense. The problem is this. Given that in two and a half years Ryan Babel has in fact in footballing terms gone backwards, how the hell would we go about offloading him for a fee that is worthy of accepting? I can only see a Dutch side investing in the sometime explosive attacker and therefore I would expect we would get about £7m at most, which is of course not what he would be worth in today’s market but Eredivisie sides do not tend to splash the cash all that often, they are indeed far more accustomed to selling big rather than buying big.
I have said all along that this season is a make or break one and even though he scored a screamer in Lyon he really hasn’t helped his cause as a whole this term and the next couple of months are going to be key. He states he needs first team football then I would imagine Benitez would state in return “Your not good enough to start for the first team” and given our recent poor form that says it all.
Dossena will leave, I think we are all solid on that one, and I would love to see Elia come in. The 22 year old former FC Twente man is a different kind of winger to Babel in some ways, he is more of an expert crosser than a scare the life out of the full back type and perhaps that’s what we need? Albert Riera should’ve been that player, but given that the Spaniard doesn’t like to pass, let alone cross, until he has taken at least ten pot shots at goal from far out, I would like to see Elia at the club.
YNWA
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anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
its another risk but when you look at who we would sell its not such a bad idea, we must still go for a striker too though.
Retryboy - November 15th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Babel is a great player rafa just plays him on the wrong side. Don’t know where you get that babel is demanding first team football have seen loads of articles where he says he is happy and wanting to fight for a place. So many players in the squad i would sell before babel. Hope this is as it seems just a stupid rumour
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
i know babel has all to often disappointed but i know and so does most liverpool fan that the boy has got a huge amount of talent and has the potential to be one of the greats inte game…..i think rafa has got it all wrong, he has single handedly ruined babel by knocking the kid down all the time, playing him out of position all the time and then screaming he’s not good enough. Babel was never a winger infact he is a striker and thats it, all he needs is ten to twelve games in a row and a little pat on the back not a boot up the backside along with some advise on how he could become a better player. He as speed, strength, one hell of a shot and can glide pass players as if they’re not even there what more do you want from a striker……but the abuse he has put up with from rafa, if i was babel i would walk away and tell rafa to stuff it, tell me would any of the spanish players get the same treatment from rafa, would he play torres out of position every week, he so damn over protective of torres its unbelieveable…..then again i love torres too he is a great player, who is loyal and honest along with mr reina, all i ask is give babel a fair chance and then yes if you still think he’s not upto the mark sell him…..the poor kid looks like a nervous wreck when he is given the odd ten or fifteen minutes here and there.
rassell feroze
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Retryboy I think you are one of these supporters who looks at the result on a Saturday and call yourself a Liverpool fan, when infact a fan as we all no is a fanatic. Whoever wrote the previous anonymous comment clearly takes more of an insight into Liverpool than you, because Ryan Babel did in-fact DEMAND a first team place because it is getting closer to the world cup and the Dutch manager is only picking players who are regulars for their team. This was when Babel had only played 6 mins of football and was the only player in the team to have lost his position, and why? Because he is a donkey and could not kick back doors, left or right side and he will always try to beat the world and has a success of about 1/50. Furthermore when he demanded his first team place, he told Benitez that if he did not get his first team place then he wanted to be loaned out in January to Ajax, with a permanent deal following that summer. Now for your information thats holding a club to ransom, and the last player to try that went by the name of?……..Michael Owen and we all no were he ended up-wearing a United shirt. I just regret we wasted so much money on Babel the donkey that can never be recouped, but then again when do Liverpool EVER make a profit on a player? Xabi Alonso is the only 1 I can think of, we always take a hit on player transfers, and thats not to mention Mr Keane.
kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
i would not sell ryaan babel
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Another dutch experiment no!benitez should go adam johnson,arron lennon,alex song from arsenal with these three liv. can move a notch higher.
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
this lad elia has pace that would even scare walcott, and has skills and can finish, would offer a lot to liverpool
Retryboy - November 15th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Anon at 7.42 ryan babel talking to sky sports “he(dutch manager) wants players to be playing at their club to get a chance to go to the world cup-thats also what i try to reach and work every day, very hard.”…”liverpool are a very good team, everybody knows that and i am proud to be a part of liverpool” now that was after another disappointment of scoring a cracker and again being left on the bench. What a great attitude, what a classy player, what a fool you look lol
kopman - November 15th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Yeah this elia kid looks good, very quick, runs straight past people i see how he can be compared to what babel was supposed to be like (even tho its a different position)
As for babel hes like marmite, you either hate him or you love him, i for one am not a huge fan i am grateful when he does the business but its just not often enough……fair play to the people who say rafa plays him out of position i understand what your saying but i have seen babel bottle it in front of net far too often if your in front of net you cant complain about being out of position coz thats supposed to be where he is strongest in the box to many times have i seen him boot it straight at the keeper or put it wide for a “striker” its unacceptable, just my opinion tho.
dossena just doesnt fit he isnt good enough to be here far to many mistakes in a vital position its not like missing a goal if you fuck up in defennce your letting a goal in.
Wish them both the best of luck where ever they end up but i think they would be better at a smaller club, let them go and bring in this elia kid.
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Retryboy… ur a pure goon do you have any life at all or even freinds? cus all u seem to be doin is being on this talkin utter hit
Retryboy - November 15th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Aww! Whats the matter proved wrong. Go cry to your mummy and leave the football debate to people who know about liverpool.
Retryboy - November 15th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Takes me less than a minute to post on here off my phone its quicker than sending a text so its really not that hard to fit in.
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
I look like a fool, your the 1 that has to cut bits and pieces out of a statement to try and make a point when i told you the whole and statement and told you were you can search to find this evidence, as annon 9:07 said i totally agree i think you are also a goon, and would rather have you supporting United and spreading ur guff on their threads, and by the way if you can post in less than a minute why did it take you from 9:18 to 9:34 to type the next, think you need maths lessons kid…
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Well retryboy im off coz ive got a pussy 2 feel unlike you, have a nice night with Palm and the 5 sisters and il read the reviews again 2morrow.
Warren Bloggs - November 15th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
So let me guess this right a player that was bought for £7m in the summer is now rated to be worth approx £15m? Well, that seems ridiculous and as a result i would not pay a penny over £10m! Although, the rumour originally suggested that it would be a swap deal between himself and Babel, and this is the most sensible course of action to me. After all, it would be stupid to have both Babel and Elia who are effectively the same player although the later is a natural left-sided winger. This is the reason why i beleive he will be a huge hit, as he is pacy, tricky and foward thinking, this is what Liverpool NEED as we have TOO MANY NEGATIVE THINKING players, too happy to pass the ball backwards then move forward with it:
Babel in exchange for Elia
Dossena and Voronin sold for a sum total of approx £8-10m
Van der Vaart to sign up on loan with a view to a permanent transfer.
Pavlyuchenko on loan, and Koman for approx £4-5
OUT:
Voronin, Babel and Dossena
IN:
Elia, Van der Vaart, Pavlyuchenko, Koman
Retryboy - November 15th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Lol oh now you are pretending to be 2 different people as well as pretending you have a woman. Only pussy in your cardboard box 2nite is you! Just gonna ignore anons from now on you just totally ruin any debate and can’t even string a sentence together plus i can’t tell which comments i have ripped you to bits on before which i obviously have. oh by the way took me till i had a minute to press a button on my phone again same as this time amazing really lol
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
i for one would be really really sad to see babel go and get so frustrated when rafa doesn’t play babel upfront instead of those matches when voronin played.
If he played those matches and got a good run in the i could see him getting confidence and playing well.the main goal that i think of when i think babel is the 4th goal v arsenal in UCL, with all that pace strength then finish shows how good he can still be.
Im also scared that if we were to sell him he’d get a manager that would have confidence in him and then babel becoming one of the best players in the world, could see him being as good as ronaldo, especially if he went to arsenal instead of us.
Ladwig
Ryan Babel - November 15th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
last was me!!
Ryan Babel - November 15th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
But rafa is always going to play Torres upfront by himself.
hes always going to play kuyt on the right,
so babel is either going to have to make the left his own or wait to have his chances upfront.
Elia guy would give more speed and directness to our team that we need. but would like a ST either Huntelaar or pavlechenko on loan. or play babel at ST!!!!!!!!!!
Ryan Babel - November 15th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Eljero Elia would be a good addition can play RW/LW fast,skillfull,can finish well.Just like Walcott.
kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
i d rather keep babel and sign martin petrov for 6 million from city, hes class, plus city have bid 36 million for di maria, pertov would be a good option for our left wing for a couple of years
kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
to ryan babel, yeah but so is ryan babel, he can play or right , better on the right and as striker, and he has a quality finish , remember the goal against derby , he was so calm, for the amount of time he spends on the field i d like to see his goals to minutes ratio, i bet its higher than kuyts
Ryan Babel - November 15th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
problem with babel when he plays on the left is that he just tries to go inside then shoot.
Elia looks like he would just turn out like babel though.
kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
i would be frustrated to see babel go , because i know that wherever he goes he will be a huge success, rafa played him once on the right hand side, he performed better than he has done for us , so he never gets played there again, ffs
i dunno
kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
martin petrov for left wing, he is fast he attacks he has a great cross
Retryboy - November 15th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
He will get 3/4 games on the left now yossi and riera are injured then rafa will say he had his chance. His games as striker he has had 30 minutes max and is so under pressure to perform he has rushed shots and lost his composure. Its all the pressure rafa has put him under. After the assist at west ham on the right he must have thought he would get a chance there and he’s never played there again. After his goal against lyon must have thought he was guaranteed a start at birmingham know that everyone else did rafa has treat him terribly its not too late for him to save a great talent if he just uses him properly and gives him in a position where he has a chance!
Ryan Babel - November 15th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
wish we got Robben. but yh for wings i would like either: Elia or Petrov
ST:Huntelaar (loan)
yh babels goals v derby/ the 4th v arsenal/Lyon goal
Ryan Babel - November 15th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
yh rafas seems to be ruining babel and thats why i wish he played those games instead of Voronin.
cause 20 mins is hard to do much more than what he has done.
Retryboy - November 15th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Agree with kermit too if he goes we will see him go on to be a world beater probably instantly too. Would rather see rafa gone than another talent disappear
kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
when babel first came to liverpool and played now and again the first thing i noticed was gerrard seeking out babel at any opportunity, now i ve watched gerrard for england and he always seeks out rooney, the question i ask is why, could it be that gerrard has faith in these players,
i reckon so and if gerrard rates babel then thats a big endorsement.
i dont see why babel isnt being used on the shoulder fo the last defender, he is way quicker even than torres, we ought to use that pace sometimes by sucking other teams defenders forwards and pinging balls over the top for babel to chase onto , and in recent games lucas has shown he is well capable of pinging these passes
kermit - November 15th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
god i hate this moderation
anonymous - November 15th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
dutch league is different from premier league, he will not have the chance to run at defenders like he pleases in the Dutch league,
if you see Babel’s videos from before joining liverpool , he was exactly like that and even deadlier.
i would keep babel especialy that Riera n Aurelio are injured
babel will have the run in for left wing
and he will have a run of a few games to boost his confidence
Aussie Aussie
anonymous - November 16th, 2009 at 12:15 am
I can think of players we should sell before babel….
voronin (4m) (play babel INSTEAD)
Dossena (4m)
Degen (1m)
Plessis (1m)
Thats 10 million there…now get the stingy owners to give us 5 million…which is fuck all in football terms…
and….
keep babel, sign elia for 15m, and get pavyluchenko on loan…look above… it can be done.
Reds Lewis
dave - November 16th, 2009 at 1:32 am
yeah dutch league is totally different kuyt was the top scorer in 2004-05 season
look at his goalscoring record
1998–2003 Utrecht 160(51)
2003–2006 Feyenoord 101(71)
2006– Liverpool 116(30)
kermit - November 16th, 2009 at 1:51 am
elia plays for hamburg in the bundesliga
dave - November 16th, 2009 at 2:26 am
so he does kermit my mistake,but then again the bundesliga made voronin look a good player last season.
Anfield Faithful - November 16th, 2009 at 8:01 am
You know what if babel starts to display HARD WORK ETHICS stop dribbling the ball nd terrorizing opp defenders nd scoring goals then i bet he will get 90 min + stoppage time.bring him for 8 min nd hope he will perform some miracle.atleast give the man a run of 8-10 games to prove his worth
i dont know why there are always talks of him going back to dutch league(or anywhere) when we still have people like voronin degen plessis at the club. I would rather have these players transfer cash plus yanks cash(they can atleast give 8m) to afford elia. Cancel nemeth loan deal nd he would also be like a new signing. Then if possible get vdv on loan.
anonymous - November 16th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Kop King
By all means please bring in this lest sided player but for the love of god play babel on the right and get rid of dirk kuyt who i happen to value at around thwe 5 pence mark, total crap.
anonymous - November 16th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Mascherano – 36M
Dossena + Voronin – 6M
Babel – 10M
Transfer Budget – 20M
Overall money to spend 72M
4 Players we should buy ? Any1 guys ?
Retryboy - November 16th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Wouldn’t sell kuyt but would play babel over him on the right every time. Could use kuyt when the game is won to shut it down, does mean actually playing to win a game to start with though.
Retryboy - November 16th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Apparently ngog has broken his nose with the france under 21’s so babel might get a shot up front. Definitely prefer him on the right but would still give him much more of a chance than on the left.
Anfield Faithful - November 16th, 2009 at 10:01 am
You know what if babel starts to display HARD WORK ETHICS stops dribbling nd scoring goals nd stop his terrorizinq runs towards opp goals i bet then he will have 90 min+stoppage time
i mean give the man atleast a run of 8-10 games to prove his worth
anonymous - November 16th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Babel has been badly managed. He was not developed in a wingers role. He is a suporting striker FACT!
Anfield Faithful - November 16th, 2009 at 10:17 am
I don’t why his departure is always talked about whenever a transfer rumour crops up when we have people like voronin degen and plessis at the club. I would rather have transfer cash of these players + yanks’ money(they can atleast give 8m) to fund elia. Also cancelling nemeth loan will almost equal a new signing nd then get vdv on loan. I don’t see pavyluchenko coming though. But we need a player like elia.
Anfield Faithful - November 16th, 2009 at 10:23 am
We all know babel can play bloody well on right loads better than kuyt but no player with creativity has prospered due to rafa’s tactics
Retryboy - November 16th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Kuyt is one of rafas favourites to whom the normal laws of form don’t apply. Even when kuyt has played up front he has played yossi on the right and babel on the left. When its obvious they both play better on the opposite sides.
anonymous - November 16th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
oi dont touch me dont touch me GET OUT OF MY BRAIN
anonymous - November 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
LIVERPOOL FOR RELEGATION NEXT LEEDS
kermit - November 16th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
martin petrov fromcity as a short term two year solution
plus sign the nigerian u 17 left back and super sub striker
Aquilani4goals - November 16th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
we dont have to sell babel,we just need to develop him…we dont have money and players why sell babel who has pl experience to buy another without pl experience.rafa do not make another blunder becos at the moment i find it hard to trust ur judgement
baggins09 - November 16th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
sell kuyt for at least 15m not because i don’t like or rate him, its just babel would be far more effective on the right then buy this elia, i’ve never seen him play but i’ll trust your lots judgement of him he sounds like the type we need.
throw voronin in on the elia deal and offer them about 10m.
sell aurelio for 3m as he is out of action way too often sell degen and the greek for 1.5 each that gives us 11m to buy van der vart who is left footed and can cover the left wing so i would sell riera for 10m and buy bale 4m off spurs to cover for insua. sell dossena 4-6m ,not because i dont like him he’s just not gonna get the oppetunities he needs to shine that gives us 10-12m i’d buy richards off city and get adriano on a free
so outs
kuyt -15m
voronin – part ex
degen- 1.5m
the greek- 1.5m
aurelio- 3m
dossena-4-6m
riera- 10m
ins
elia- 10m plus voronin
van der vaart- 11m
bale- 4m
richards- 10-12m
adriano- free
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 9:17 am
elia was rubbish here in australia when the dutch recently played a friendly.have a guess who replaced him,,,,,,,,,babel.kuyt and babel were the two best players on the park.babel is the type of player that will come back to haunt us if rafa lets him go.rafa is a joke,he gets babel,and yet he prefers voronin and ngog over him when everyone else on the planet would disagree with rafa.rafa has failed in babel developement as a liverpool player in my worthless opinion. allahs boot