Liverpool Boss Would Quit if Torres Sold: Owners Rub Hands In Glee!
by YNWA on November 17th, 2009 85 commentsI wouldn’t trust my grandmother with Hicks and Gillett!
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Rafa Benitez has admitted he would quit Liverpool if the club ever sold Fernando Torres behind his back to ease the financial pressure at Anfield.
The Reds are believed to be up to £245million in debt with owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks openly seeking much needed investment.
The situation has many suggesting that Benitez will have to lower the wage bill in January but the Spaniard has reassured Liverpool fans that he would never sanction the sale of Torres.
The former Valencia boss also defended his transfer record on Merseyside and insisted that the £20million capture of Alberto Aquilani was a bargain.“I’m confident it will never happen,” Benitez told The Times when asked if he was in danger of losing his star striker to ease the club’s debt.
“If it did I’d resign.” (Sky Sports)
Why do I get the funny feeling that this show of loyalty to the club and arguably one of its more prized possession could well be interpreted by the American owners as a good way to get rid of Rafa without having to fork out a load of cash in compensation, I wouldn’t put anything past Messrs Hick and Gillett.
It’s good to see that Rafa is coming out so forcefully on the issue because I can well imagine some big European clubs looking to make bids for El Nino knowing that we aren’t having a very good season and coupled with the fact that financially we are treading something of a tightrope so I would expect some big clubs to think that the next 6 months are key as to whether a move for Fernando Torres may well be taken by the greedy owners.
It seems clear that they would like to axe Benitez but can’t afford to do so at present because of how much they would have to fork out in compensation. Remember these are the same people who attempted to bring in Jurgen Klinsmann in a none to subtle manner a while back so if they could force the issue then my feeling is that they would consider it.
YNWA
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Donavan Ried - November 17th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
I would be more worried about how longer Torres is willing to put up with the lack of progression that Liverpool are making under Rafa, and about the owners selling Torres behind Rafa’s back …….. I think that this is another attempt by Benitez to rally his fastly waning supports behind his back in a “The Club That We Love vs The Evil Money Grabbing Yank Owners” battle, much like when he quoted lines from “You’ll Never Walk Alone” …….
Yes we have money problems, but Rafa Mis-buys in the transfer market, and lack of man-management skills when it come to handling player(The Alonso/Barry gate) has not helped ……
Retryboy - November 17th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
What a load of rubbish. All we have heard from the owners recently is that they are going to give rafa money to spend on top of sales won’t be huge amounts but its still money on top. Rafa does need to bring down the wage bill we have a huge squad with plenty of players that don’t play and youngsters that are better that can take their place. They are looking for investment, making sponsorship deals to close the gap with income compared to the other big four clubs and to get the stadium started. The papers paint this picture of them as the devils incarnate. There has never been any hint of them forcing rafa to sell anyone let alone torres he was just answering a question quash stupid rumours and Ynwa takes the rumours to an even more ridiculous level. Do you not know that you only have to pay a sacked managers contract up until he gets another job. Rafa is on £4m a year for 5 years thats where the papers get £20m from because it paints the picture that is the reason he hasn’t been sacked in reality he would be out of work for maximum 6 months costing £2m knowing his passion for football it would more likely be a month £330,000. He is the manager at the moment because they want him to be stop believing tabloid rubbish and making up stories based on that.
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I think anyone who believes that Hicks and Gillett are concerned about anything other than money need to wake up. We are paying for their involvement with the club on a daily basis, paying the interest on loans THEY took out to buy the club. Any big sponsorship deal that is signed doesn’t necessarily benefit the club, the majority of the cash coming in will just go back into their pockets and not the club’s coffers.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 17th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Absolute nonsense. Selling Torres would not ease the financial burden one bit and would weaken the team considerably meaning that there would definately be no CL football next year, meaning that the club is not such a good investment. The club actually makes a profit it’d the holding company that makes a loss. Yet again I agree with Retryboy about the tabloid rubbish and journos just looking to create stories where none exist. Donavan. You bore me with your Rafa hating posts. We all know how you feel but to repeat it over and over again is just tiresome and most of what you say is wrong anyway. Change the fucking record please.
cayceejoel - November 17th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
how i which something can be done to get rid of the yankees ,yes we know rafa has made few mistakes,he’ll learn from that now.lets view what got chelseafc /man utd to where they are now,ferguson said it before,that he had made mistakes in the past but its the support of the fans and owner that got him where he is today ,which also favour the club,and chelseafc why are they the favourite for this season?
the are not so good but they are still on top for now,why?because they kept
there players together and to check the value/worth of the first 22 players of chelsea fc,for value liverpool have a edge with first 11 but first 22 and how much did liverpool spend on the first 22 and how much the chelsea spend on their first 22?lets set this straight if the yankees cant compete financially with this clubs let them leave.i cant sleep atimes because liverpool problem,other clubs muck me.YANKEES WE WANT OUT.
kermit - November 17th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
tp anonymous of course the yanks are concerned about money, thye are businessmen, but their concern for money and greed for it isnt a bad thing. tthey know that money makes money, and more inmportantly succes will bring in more money, would you rather some success or a caring man of the people chairman who is nothing but a loser in reality, the club is actually stronger i think with the yanks at the helm that it was previously.
in every walk of life there is mney to be made, some clever wheeling and dealing in the transfer market could leave us in a much stonger position playerwise
kermit - November 17th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
the whole world hit recession last year, and everyone suffered , arsenal have sold more than they spent , chelsea hardly bought anyone , man utd sold their massive players to cover debt, the only two clubs that bucked the trend were city and real madrid, now the world is once again coming out of recession, so money will start to become more freely available andspending willstart again
arsenal sold their fernando torres in adebayopr last year and utd sold ronaldo and tevez, without replacing them, equivalent to us sellling gerrard and kuyt and replacing them with inferior players, we didn t do too bad we sold alonso bought aquaman and strengthened at right back, johnson is looking like the best right back in the world at the minute
Reds Lewis - November 17th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Kermit…the only thing you are wrong about is your assesment of the worlds financial situation.
We are not coming out of a recession lol….
we wont get out of it properly until another 2-3 years..and analysts reckon is a “w” shapep economic pattern…e.g everyone will think its over and then the reality that its not, after a big spending spree and massive influxed bank debts will trigger it again…
As you stated though…last season we sold Alonso and bought in Il principe…we strengtened RB too… Johnson was 17M, and Aquilani was 20m.
Thats 37m…
we sold alonso for 30M, and Arbeloa for 3m, and also we sold a winger in Sebastian leto, who never played for us due to work permit..for 3million.
Thats total spent 37m and total sold 36m (not including mavinga, and other reserve players etc)
so yeh…we didnt do too badly really
Reds Lewis - November 17th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
lets compare it to united who sold over 100m pounds worth of players and spent 14m on valencia and a bit on obertan…… at least we were selling to buy…united sold to recover.
Reds Lewis - November 17th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
and on the subject of torres being sold…I honestly dont think he himself would put up with it…he wants to stay here…he has stated that numerous times…
Retryboy - November 17th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Have said it many times as well its common practice to borrow to purchase a club. Kermit got it right in that it was the global recession when h&g took over that meant their debts had to be repaid over a year normally it would have been over 5 and interest would not be a problem. Also we owe the same as united and chelsea owe 3 times as much as us. Its just the media have their devils and will gloss over all the good moves they are making and highlight anything that could be perceived as bad and twist it. The best way for them to make money and increase their share value is to make us as successful as possible on and off the pitch so who cares if that is all they care about. Cayceejoel we haven’t been able to compete financially because united bring in £100m more than us a year they operate at a £30m profit us at a £5m loss. When we have caught up with our income if the extra money generated doesn’t filter down to the manager then i will join the lot that want them out. I never want the club to be a billionaires plaything because if it did you can guarantee we would never see another young player break through again. Never have any local lads in the team and seeing these lads come from the youth system or bought as promising 18 year olds and becoming top players would give me loads more pleasure than buying messi, kaka and the like even if it did win us a title.
Reds Lewis - November 17th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
just hit the nail on the head retry
kermit - November 17th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
we should currently be chasing at least three members of the nigerian u17 national team and a couple form the swiss u 17 national team, esp the nigerian left back and their centre forward who scored five times as a sub during the u17 world cup
kermit - November 17th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
i dont think the yanks are stupid enough to sell torres, torres = major shirt sales, torres = goals, goals = success, success = money, torres = happy fans
no way will he be sold , like donovan what i would fear more is torres himself deciding to leave in search of silverware
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
just cause the owners try and sell him its up to the player if he accepts the contract so if torres was so devoted to the club, he could just reject there contract offer and stay at liverpool
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
THE CHOSEN ONE
howd lord kopites. Some interesting posts. Listen guys everyone has their priorities and if one owns a bisness financial gain or profit is essential, however success helps yield that gain.
The owners like anybody else want to use limited resources to the maximum. we have to look through their eyes as well as our own and assess things not fanatically.
Yes they have lied over and over again however they have still provided funds
maybe its not enough. Look at it from their veiw you have a manager there for 5 years whos always been investing in youth. We buy them at 16 to 17 yrs. they will be 20 or 22 by now. How many of them can stake a claim to to team?. ok we have squad players dossenna 8 mil babel 11 mil voronin 3 mil deggem 2 mil who are not playing and im sure we can raise easily another 15 mil from our squad if we put our minds to it. our manager should be able to easily raise 20 mil from the dead would to get another quality signing. Thats silva sorted.
Lets be very careful what we wish for because at times the devil we know is better !!
About the contract issue. Well it depends like players whats on the contract. A general managers contral is different from a specific contract. just like for exampla duncan fergason had it in his contract that he would be the highest paid at everton and hence he was in an era there b4 rooney left. Rafa isnt stupid his contract would be water tight and considering that the owners wanted to get rid of him before then im sure hes not got a simple bog standard contract. just thing about it. if hes sacked it wouldnt just be till he started work i`m going to assume that they would be a minimum pay off. at a guess i`d say a year but hey what do I know. just my opinion.
Tabloids are tabloids but dont we help them when we discuss it? such is life and we deal with it but I think rafa got the best out of this one not the papers.
cayceejoel - November 17th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
honest i would av loved to see the youngster come and replace the present,but the shanks want trophy expecially premiership,and we competing with manutd and chelsea not interms of spending big but injecting a reasonable amount that will push the team forward.what do we lack ?its the bench,we need players to replace the first eleven,gerrad donbt have replacement,torres dont have,a standard 7 we dont have.and for the youngsters if wenger can bring in youngs to play premiership matches ,so we can, but we have to do it right,there must be some reason why rafa dosnt believe in them,for me i can only think of insua,spearing and nemeth ngog is regular now,i’ll would love to see nemeth with torres.
torres issue,they dare not sell torres,cause with turn everything in anfield upside down.
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
( paul ) i think there is something going on at liverpool fc behind the scenes and the fans are not being told about, if they sell torres or any other top players i will stop being a liverpool fan, this shit with the yank’s has gone on to long and i for one had enough, its not fair on the fans and untill we get rid of these 2 muppets the club is going downhill fast, something has to be done it is quite clear what ever is going on behind closed doors has affected the manager and the players, i believe this to be true. this club is one of the best but if we sell our top players we will end up being a mid table team like bolton or west ham utd. this is not good enough i urge all liverpool fans to do what they can to get rid of the yank’s what ever it takes.maybe sending more letters of our unhappiness towards them, and urge them to sell the club before things get out of hand.
Digger - November 17th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
donavan reid, i have been reading your posts on a number of occasions and don’t really understand your feelings in regard to rafa…?
ok he’s not perfect but who would you get to replace in the current financial position?, mourinho? we have no money….. we don’t want to be a chelsea and have a new manager every season….
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
to kermit yes the yank’s are stupid you only have to watch there tv programmes to see that, they don’t care about the fans all they care about are profit margins, and yes they would sell torres for a 100m, because they are greedy bastards, they where offered 500m by dic for the club and that is more than they paid and they where trying to hold out for 600m, so if where in debt to the tune of 240m and they got 100m for torres which they would get from man city then they would sell him in a heart beat regardless of what me or you or all the other liverpool fans think. if they lied to us and they did and they know we hate them i don’t think selling torres will make a big diffrence to them, once the debt is paid they will sell the club and fuck off back to dixie rich as a theif.
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
well digger we don’t have to sack rafa just give him a back seat and let king kenny take over and maybe rafa will resign if he doesn’t like it, its not just rafa its thoses yankee cunt’s who fucked up our club.
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
THE CHOSEN ONE
KING KENNY LIVERPOOL MANAGER?
GOD WHATS THE WORLD COMING TO?
OMG . post like tis make me wanna give up.
Moderator block people who dont write names !!!
id rather have graham souness!!
Kenny daglish as manager pmsl
or phil thompson
Anfield Faithful - November 17th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Its a feeble joke isn’t it? Thing is that this another piece of garbage dished out by those media person who can’t stop wagging their negative tongue about our debts and low funds.
i for one ain’t a big fan of yanks but they are not that stupid. How on earth can they then expect to land more investment nd money if they sell one of our two brightest stars?
they’ve said before that nino is not for sale at any price.
sometimes there decisions are poor and their promises unfulfilled but we also have more exciting stars coming to liverpool under them than in soueness or houlliers era
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
this paul who posted that last one mr chosen one, at least king kenny won the league back in 1990 what does that tell you he understands the english game better. to anfield faithful yes the yank’s are that stupid and im not from the media cause i don’t have a job, anyways if you where 240m in debt and you where offered 100m for torres you would sell him sure look at man city they tried to buy kaka for 120m so they can afford to splash out.
kermit - November 17th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
fabio capello is the only man i would like to see replacing benitez
mourinho great manager but he was at chelsea
martin o neill maybe, its debatable wehther he can do things at a top club
hiddink another option but would he be better than benitez i m not so sure
i m all forrafa being sacked should results not imporove but i have no doubt that they will and i dsont write us off challenging for the league this year either
other teams have injuries now van persie and bendtner at arsenal
ballack terry bosingwa cole and lampard and drogba at chelsea
and god help the mancs if rooney gets injured
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
paul here the biggest problem at anfield is that everyone is playing the blame game if its not rafa’s fault it’s the owners and if its not the owner’s fault it’s the players or the fans and its all making me sick, everyone is coming on here saying the club is skint its not skint, its just over borrowed sure look at man utd they have a debt of nearly 600m that’s 3 times as bad as our,s and they can still splash out on players sure didn’t fergie sell diving boy ronaldo for 90m so what’s to stop the yank’s selling torres for 100m, you see my point, do you think sir alex was happy about selling gay boy no he wasn’t now they don’t look as good as last season, so the same can happen to us.
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
paul here to kermit i agree with capello but it would cost the club 7.5m a year to pay him compared to rafa’s 4.5m a year, and they want to save money on wages plus they would have to stump up money for the fa to take him.
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
If Torres wanted to leave or they wanted to sell him then they wouldn’t have offer him a new contract in the summer and he wouldn’t have accepted!!!
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
THE CHOSEN ONE
PAUL yes he did win the title in 1990 yep and what did he do after failure in scotland or shall i come further down south and mention newcastle mmm and he was given funds their. Hes semi retired now mate.
But I dont want to argue so ill ask you what has he ever done as a manager in europe in all his life? END OF.
next please lol
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
paul here that’s not the point backed then he had no money to buy players like you can now things are diffirent now and plus newcastle is a bad luck club for most managers it never did well in the 90s or now they must have gone through 30 managers since 1990, i think as a club liverpool are top soft on the managers and board its a dog eat dog world out there as far as football goes. its time to get tougher man utd where lucky to get fergie managers like that are very rare, and rafa is not one of them either was houllier. besides which is more important the champioms league or the prem im sure you know which one.
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
What about Gianfranco Zola, Mourinho, Van Basten or O’Neill?
Mourinho would be great because he would give the team a habit of winning and fill players with confidence eg. Babel.
Zola would bring in great Cheap talent and develop them(ie. Jovetic, Hines) and is an absolute legend so players would want to play for him.
Van Basten is the same as Zola and I think Babel would become a star playing for him.
O’Neill is a great manager who can find great, young, English talent!
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
paul here to the chosen one i was ten years old when liverpool won the league last now im 30 i barely remember that one in 1990 and at this rate i could be 60 and not see us win the league so you have to think outside the box and be harsh its the only way you make your way in this life and that goes for managers aswell they have to be sacked if they don’t do their job’s right it would be like me or you being late for work every morning we would get the sack.
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
THE CHOSEN ONE
I`ve said this before and ill say it again. If I was the manager of Liverpool fc id the team choses itself. but id play gerrard in the middle for home games and up front for away games. id drop Lucas for home games and play him away games. Id play agger in home games and drop him for away games. Benyoun would play home and away with babel on the right. (babel may need more home games initially for confidence.) The brazilian left back id play left side of midfield when fit for away games and riera there at home games. Insua would play home games at left back and some away games.
Id sell dessna, voronin and deggem . Play kuyte upfront with torress and bring in Ngog when needed as well as babel when he proves himself.
All this if no injuries. Wed win everything lol and id get 4.5 m a year !!!
Anfield Faithful - November 17th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Well paul i guess you would then think that yanks would also sell stevie as it will wipe out the entire debt in one stroke
torres snubbed madrid united nd chelsea to join liverpool. Also he has replied to further offers frm chelsea by saying that it would be many years when he would left liverpool so that argument is settled right there only money hungry players (barry,robinho) join a club like city and torres has provided ample evidence that he isn’t one
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
THE CHSEN ONE
Paul paul slow down!!! all managers make mistakes m8. but lets talk facts about this gut called rafa becos if he was at another club you`d be wanting him at anfield immediately,
Hes given us moments mate. two european cup finals in five years!! 4 points behind the champions last year, A milk cup final and a Fa cup. Rafa has been a success.
What he did at valencia spoke for itself. you can`t win everything, we can only try.
The least he deserves from any fan is to assess him at the end of the season and put injuries and all other factors into the equation. Im being logical.
Liverpool is a family club we dont sack our managers (ok we have twice but at end of season ) but hes brought alot to the club. We havnt gone backwards.
Whose the greatest manager in the league? Yes sir red nose whisky face Taggot and what did he do in his first 5 years at man crap city or utd?
And yet you want me to be logical? We need more respect and more support and yes constructive critizism..
I agree rafa has made mistakes but in my view hes earned another season forgetting this season is over.
You bring in another manager and you need to give them 3 years at least.
Yep capello is good but he wont do better than rafa with this squad.
If at the end of the season the owners fancy a change then on their head but back a new manager with cash to change where needed.
Just my opinion . im on your side but examining our games so far its been nothing other than sloppy defending and injuries with lack of luck thats cost us.
Retryboy - November 17th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Cayceejoel- think we have the youngsters to save and make us millions. How much did the beckham generation save and make united over the years? Well i think nemeth, pacheco, kelly, ayala, darby, ecclestone, ngog will definitely do the same for us given the chance spearing, martin, simon, el zhar should be good squad players at least and the next crop behind them gulacsi, amoo, mavinga, Buchtmann, irwin, kacanilic, Dalle valle etc… Just as exciting. Only one i would put straight in the 1st team would be nemeth but the first batch are all ready to play major roles in the squad and are miles better than some squad players we have meaning we can clear the dead wood itandje, degen, dossena, kyrgiakos, voronin none of them will be missed would let aurelio go as well and spend £20m on Cissokho myself and £4m on Koman strengthening the first team and another brilliant young hungarian to add to our trio to provide cover on the left and for gerrard/aquilani. All the answers can come from within the squad babel could be a £30m played right side.
Retryboy - November 17th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Cayceejoel- think we have the youngsters to save and make us millions. How much did the beckham generation save and make united over the years? Well i think nemeth, pacheco, kelly, ayala, darby, ecclestone, ngog will definitely do the same for us given the chance spearing, martin, simon, el zhar should be good squad players at least and the next crop behind them gulacsi, amoo, mavinga, Buchtmann, irwin, kacanilic, Dalle valle etc… Just as exciting. Only one i would put straight in the 1st team would be nemeth but the first batch are all ready to play major roles in the squad and are miles better than some squad players we have meaning we can clear the dead wood itandje, degen, dossena, kyrgiakos, voronin none of them will be missed would let aurelio go as well and spend £20m on Cissokho myself and £4m on Koman strengthening the first team and another brilliant young hungarian to add to our trio to provide cover on the left and for gerrard/aquilani.
...samlfc.... - November 17th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Torres would be a massive loss don’t get me wrong but we coped without him and we could again but i really wouldn’t like him to go.
Onto Rafa well let him finish this season off, let him do the transfers in Jan aswell and see where we come in ALL competitions and then decide if we shall keep him or not…….dropping him in the season and brining in a new manager might help but it could also be bad aswell and i personally believe that summer s the best time for manager changes as its 2 and half months to sort out the team,transfer and tactics for the present/new manager so if i was the Liverpool board i will wait till this season is over…
...samlfc.... - November 17th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
I forgot to mention great posts by Retryboy today!! espeically the first one
Anfield Faithful - November 17th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Just wondering are yanks supposed to give rafa in region of 8m or even less in jan?
...samlfc.... - November 17th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Anfield faithful
i thought it was inbetween 8-15m, could be wrong! and infact i probs am lol
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
THE CHOSEN ONE
i HAVE A DREAM !! THAT ONE DAY RAFA BRINGS THE TITLE TO ANFIELD.
tHAT HE STAYS ON FOR THE 8 YEARS WINNING THINGS AND THE NEXT LIVERPOOL MANAGER WILL BE JAMIE CARRAGHER.
ITS A DREAM GUYS AND i HOPE IT COMES TRUE.
Retryboy - November 17th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Thanks sam…on another point just thought maybe the defence has fallen apart because pelligrino is teaching them everything he knows lol if torres starts mis-firing gonna check the coaching staff for ciise!
Anfield Faithful - November 17th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Guess if we have say 10m from yanks and full time departure of voronin, degen,plessis,itdange,dossena can generate atleast 11m so that’s 21m we can either have jovetic or elia or suarez(i wouldn’t dream about silva villa aguero) what do you guys think?
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Retryboy – Gold star on the day mate! WE LIVERPOOL FANS need to pull it together and stop believing these crap articles.
Warren Bloggs - November 17th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
£8m? Plus player sales i imagine from the likes of Dossena, Voronin, Degen, Babel etc. we should make around £15m from them so we would have around £25m to play with in January? I would sign Elia from Hamburg for £10-15m or exchange deal with Babel. Then get Van der Vaart on loan and snap up Pavlyuchenko from Spurs for around £10-12m if we had enough left then get Koman. We have also been rumoured to put in a bid for the likes of Krasic (if we fail with Elia), or Diarra (if we were to sell Masch – although i also hear we could get Yaya Toure and Bojan in a player deal in the summer). Not to mention spending up to £18m on players such as Hernanes and Carlton Cole! Well we WILL sell:
Babel, Voronin and Dossena and we will get around £15m for them and then the owners will APPARENTLY give us £8m on top of the player sales, leaving us a some total of £23m although that figure is a variant:
We WILL sign:
Van der Vaart on loan
Pavlyuchenko for £10m
Elia for £12m
HaPpY DaYs!
Warren Bloggs - November 17th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Sorry as for the article this is just rubbish paper talk you’d think they’d get bored of talking crap about our beloved club….oh well!
kopman - November 17th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Everyone is trying to replace people before they have gone thats what forced alonso to leave if you remember, i really dont think rafa is going anywhere nor is torres.
yes we are having a rough time but if it was rafa then we would of had sumthin as bad as this before, obviously there is sumthin wrong but if it was all down to rafa it would of happened long ago surely.
everyone should just keep calm and see what happens, then IF rafa actually does leave think about a replacement then but for now its not doing him or the team any good to keep slamming them.
When people say it will be to late to look for a manager when hes gone, what difference does it make put kenny in charge until then coz pressumably at the point of rafa being sacked the season has already gone.
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
It would put Liverpool in a worse fiancial situation, if we did sell torres and it was done behind rafa’s liverpool would personally just go down hill and i would hate to see it happen
YNWA
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
THE CHOSEN ONE
Momus Najmi best post to date
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Retry
I have read many of your posts and they are spot on. Yep i’m with you about the youth and getting rid of the dead wood i feel Rafa is also learning from the mistakes he makes (even tho he would no admit it)
Donavan
I think we all know how you feel about Rafa but you also have to give him a chance to learn from his mistakes. You cant say over his tenure that he has not improve us a team.
I also agree with you about his man management skills but the Alonso/Barry deal got out of control by the press and o’neil. Barry was no way worth 18 Mill at he time especially at 28/29 12 mill would have been sound of which he eventualy went for. but to tout Alonso was harsh. Barry would have been a good addition and given us good balance. but you have to say that if we had the money
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
To retry and donavan
Contd would alonso have gone or even been touted to go ?
Regards
Pete
anonymous - November 17th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Good Evening kermit,Reds Lewis,My main man Retryboy,Digger, All hail THE CHOSEN ONE,Anfield Faithful,…samlfc…. Warren Bloggs,kopman and Pete
Digger – November 17th, 2009 at 4:56 pm ……
If you have read my posts then you know what i think the problem with Rafa is……. as for Managers
asked and anwsered before
“Some Very Good Reasons Why Liverpool Shouldn’t Sack Boss Rafa Benitez!”
Donavan Ried – November 10th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
“Who would i like to see as manager my first choice would be …….
(1) Marco Van Basten : a manger how was a top player,(Kowns a good player when he see one) how has the respect of the footballing world and would attacted great players to a team …….
(2) Rudd Gullit, remember this guy reshaped Chelsea from being nobodys to FA cup win side until a revolt against him lead by Vialli,Zola and a few others…..
Though on winning the FA cup Vialli gave credit to Gullit for putting the side together ….Vialli himself was run out be another player revolt lead by Zola
Gullit was never really given a chance at Newcastle due to a Alan shearer lead revolt ….
(3) Zola, has done great things with West Ham on a shoe string, has brought in some great players and a great mixture of you talent, has the Hammers playing great foootball that easy on the eye …. Another well respected manager that knows players and how to handle them …..
(4) Jose Mourinho, arrogant, yes, outspoken, yes …… But he knows how to put together a winning team …. and it not just about the money, he can find graet players for as little or as much as you want to spend, no only great players but players hungry to win …… Will ship out the deadwood and replace itb with Quailty”
“we don’t want to be a chelsea and have a new manager every season….”
No i disagree …. I think we should be more like Chelsea …. If Rfa was there doing the thing he does, he wouldn’t be there long would he?….
(Pete)anonymous – November 17th, 2009 at 9:53 pm ,,,,,
Yes Rafa has improved the squad by the players that he has brought into the club,but as far as learning from his mistakes, he makes the sameones time and time again, and shows no sign of learnimg from them ….. as for Barry not being worth £18m, i think everyone knew that except Rafa ……. Just fell that if he would have handled it better, sat down and talk to Alonso,explain things to him then Alonso might still have been here ……
kermit - November 17th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
i just got off the phone to god, he said he d be willing to take over from benitez but only if benitez resigns, god doesnt want to be stepping on anyones toes
Donavan Ried - November 17th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
anonymous – November 17th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Good Evening kermit,Reds Lewis,My main man Retryboy,Digger, All hail THE CHOSEN ONE,Anfield Faithful,…samlfc…. Warren Bloggs,kopman and Pete
Sorry that was me, got logged out for some reason
Warren Bloggs - November 18th, 2009 at 12:05 am
evening Donovan thankyou for the introduction!! ;p
So i have been doing a little research about this serbian super-winger called Milos Krasic, he isn’t well known i agree but i have seen countless skill + goal vids included his live exploits in the champo league against the likes of the mancs (where he skinned Vidic and Van der Sar alive!!). He would come with a hefty price tag something around £15-18m but he has enourmous potential and i think he could be world class at Liverpool. No doubt though such a purchase would mean our budget would become significantly shortened but would it be wise to splash the cash on a player who could make all the difference??? Just a thought…..what does everyone else think?
Warren Bloggs - November 18th, 2009 at 12:22 am
I largely agree Donovan with your earlier post although i cannot but help hold some loyalty to Rafa. I like your list of managers, however, i would not have included Ruud Gullit, but yes Van Basten especially is a very good shout mate.
One thing i do disagree with is your suggestion that we should be ‘… more like Chelsea …. If Rfa was there doing the thing he does, he wouldn’t be there long would he?….’, yes your right he would most likely have been sacked and replaced by a predecesary of two or three other managers by the end of that season! Donovan, the reason why Chelsea have not been as succesfull in the past two season’s is due to the lack of stability, with players and managers leaving and coming in at such a rate there is no time to gel or develop.
Rafa may not be the most appealing manager in the world, he may well make ill-timed speeches or accusations and yes, he can be frustrating. Although, we cannot forget how much improvement we have made since his arrival, i judge this not in terms of silverware, but instead on the team he has been constructing. At the tail-end of last summer we were arguably playing the best football in the prem and (if it were not for our failure to respect and ‘break down’ the ‘little clubs we may well have one it) i feel our current form and position to be down to the incredible amount of injuries we have been inflicted with so far this season. If the whole squad is fully fit then we have more quality then we are given credit for, i mean our first team if including the injured Gerrard, Torres, Agger, Johnson, Aquilani etc then we are a match for anyone!
Sorry for whatever fragments there are, i am currently suffering from sleep deprevation! I respect that you do not like Rafa, I know you are stern and fair in your assesment and i can understand the reason for why you think he should be moved on. However, as i have said i quite like Rafa and i have tried to give my reason’s why.
Donavan Ried - November 18th, 2009 at 1:02 am
Warren Bloggs – November 18th, 2009 at 12:05 am ….. Total agree with you here…… If it is one thing that we need at the club and that is more quality buys, and this guy Milos Krasic seems to fit the bill ….. great shout even at the £15-18m that you quote …….
Rafa frustrate me …. LOL
Yes he has done some great things at the club,Players wise, and hey you’re entitled to like him, I have no problem with that as you know that he is far from prefect, it’s the people that trust in him blindly and are always find excuses for him when he messes up that get my goat…LOL
You have my respect Warren as always ….
“i am currently suffering from sleep deprevation! ” …… Go get your head down mate, speak again soon ….. Nite
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 1:34 am
kermit i hundred pcent agree i dont think they will get rid off torres well we going to stuggle for top 4 this season with spures looking good and big spenders buying into the top 4 if we sell torres the americans will pocket the money and put nothing back. give it 5 yrs after selling him we will folow newcastle and the quallity of the player wont wana play in chapionship CMON LFC
Retryboy - November 18th, 2009 at 2:19 am
Would prefer Mancini myself but like van basten too. No real point in that discussion now though rafa’s position looks pretty solid for now.
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 5:35 am
i am truly embarased by all of the lfc “fans” slating rafa. Yeah times are tough, but we will start rolling soon and theyl be no stopping us. We always play best with our backs against the wall. anyone else remember olympiakos? Rafa is a great manager, he will turn this around and all of you people slating him will be singing his praises.
A few years ago he was being critiscised for having to many cheap inferior players in a large squad, he’s done what he could to alter this with additions like Masch and Torres etc, cash has been tight which is why we now have such difference in quality through our squad. If he had the cash mourinho splunked at chelsea or the cash generated by a big stadium like the manc scum have then things would be different. Our squad has improved greatly under Rafa, and will continue to do so for years to come.
IN RAFA WE TRUST
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 6:10 am
this is shittt…if Torres is sold then Rafa is gonna leave and i can see some other big names leaving too..now that wont be good for Livepool at all. Now we dont want to be in that situation do we??? Soo i call this rubbish and NO WE ARE NOT SELLING TORRES FOR ANY PRICE… Some things are just priceless
Retryboy - November 18th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Morning everyone! Seems like we actually have some good news on the injury front! Liverpool echo have reported that thanks to a revolutionary new treatment involving horse placenta fluids(i kid you not!) Yossi and riera are now weeks ahead of schedule and may even be fit for city! Agger, johnson, gerrard, ngog also expected to be available. Doesn’t look like torres will make it but definite signs things are looking up. Mascherano, aquilani, gerrard in tandem for the first time would give the club the boost we so desperately need! Yossi would be a massive bonus on top
kermit - November 18th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
the futre is bright the future is horse placenta
well lookslike arsenal have had anothe injury to gibbs out for six to eight weeks, no clichy no gibbs and only mikael sivestre to replace them at left back , mikael silvestreis always worth a goal to the opposing teams
chelsea ballack lampard drogba terry ashley cole
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
why has my comment been taken off?
doesnt make sense
- Momus Najmi
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
RE: THE CHOSEN ONE
Hey guys, come on and get a grip of yourselves. Everyone is saying Benitez has not spent well in the transfer window. We have some players that are dead wood yes, Degen and Voronin come to mind. We got them for FREE. We can get 6mil maybe for the both of them. Dossena also can go and will, maybe at a loss. Financially there is no loss, we sell Degen and Voro for 6mil and Dossena for maybe 5mil. That is 11mil for 3 players that cost the club 8mil. Why do so many people focus on what Rafa has lost? Profit on Crouch and Alonso which has brought in Aquilani and Johnson. That equates to how much Pompey owed us on crouch and 30 mil from Xavi. Where was the 20mil Rafa was promised this summer? Surely if he had that money we would not be watching Kyrgiakos playing in red but maybe Canvaro or some German reliable centre half.
Then look at the youngsters, if we start bringing them in and they maybe get a bad time like Lucas did and still is in some SICK quarters of the ground, then you shatter confidence. I need not also mention that we loan out these players and make money on that. While we paid 1mil for Carson, we sold him for 3.5mil but received over 3 mil in loan money from Villa for him. Where is al this money going? THAT IS THE REAL QUESTION. Anyway, we sell all the dead wood and loads of kids, would you buy 10 players costing 5mil each? That would get us nowhere in the league and certainly nowhere in Europe. Or would you buy 2 very good 25mil players? Rafa needs to be given much more money to improve than what he has been given, or he will only be able to buy bargain basement Riera style players to fill positions we need filling.
Peace
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Torres is goin nowhere, nor Rafa! But in jan and summer there will b sum big changes, namely the owners of the club, expect LFC to be taken over by Jan/Feb.
Out: Mascherano(35m), Vorronin(3.5), Dossena( 5m), Reira(11-14m), Babel(9-11m), Degn(7m). All some time in Jan/Summer. Mostly summer.
In: Rafa in summer will go for a big signing 2 partner Torres, expect 1 of Villa(35m), Aguero(35m), Suarez(22m). Then in either jan or summer he will go for Mata(16m), Defour(13m), Riise(4m), Kjaer(9m).
Retryboy - November 18th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Chosen one- players let their contracts run out so they can receive signing on fees and higher wages, voronin apparently got £2m for signing on sure degen would have got similar as well as picking up wages for 2 years so those 2 ‘free’ players have probably cost us £15m in the time they have been here when i would much rather have had darby and nemeth doing their jobs in the squad which isn’t hindsight because i said it at the time of purchase. Along with dossena-insua/kyrgiakos-ayala and kelly. So we didn’t need any of these players in the first place. Some reports this morning are saying that the owners want a clear out of the deadwood to lower the wage bill and i think that even if we didn’t sign one player it would still improve the squad. Would much rather have a nemeth or pacheco coming on to change a game than voronin.
kermit - November 18th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
i would buy players i think can strengthen us
and martin petrov for five million is one of those players, javier saviola for another five in place of voronin is another, adriano for eight is another, van der vaart on loan is another, van der vaarts loan deal with a fixed purchase price for summer of say ten million
the we could switch to chelseas midfield diamond formation
with lucas at the base gerrard at the tip and aqulani and van der vaart either side , and play with two up front esp at home
two from babel kuty ngog and obviously torres if fit
i think babels pace should be utilised more , he ought to be continually put on the shoulder of the last man , either to exploit it himself or to push their defenders right back opening space for gerrard and aquilani to shoot in front of them, van der vaart has a wicked shot also, as does lucas when his confidence is up
kermit - November 18th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
mata defour kjaer and jovetic nice all 21/22 perfecto
Retryboy - November 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Last comment was to anon 1.47 not sure if it was chosen one. Am getting totally fed up with some of the things rafa is coming out with. This statement has just caused a load of speculation out of nothing and this morning i see he has blamed us not buying barry not only for keane not working out but for not winning the title. He states that barry was going to play on the left to feed keane and torres and so without him it never worked for keane. This has got to be the most ridiculous statement ever and actually a blatant lie. He was trying to buy barry to replace alonso everyone knows that including Xabi thats why he left! He thought he could get £30m for alonso and pick up barry for £15m making £15m to spend elsewhere. Never mind the fact we were clear at the top of the table long after all this. What is he saying that the only way a keane/torres partnership would have worked is with barry on the left? Where he never planned to play him anyway. Simple fact to prove it we couldn’t have afforded barry on top of keane torres without alonso’s sale! He just can’t admit he was trying to replace alonso after the season he went on to have so he has made up this rubbish. He should stop pointing fingers elsewhere and accept some responsibility for once.
Retryboy - November 18th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Kermit- petrov is looking like he might be involved in a swap with bentley makes total sense bentley is like bellamy a player that hughes knows how to get the best out of and spurs have lennon. Would strengthen both their teams.
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Jovetic is good because he is really versitile
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Retryboy who would you get to replace Rafa?
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Kop King
Why not make Gerrard player manager, it worked for king Kenny.
Warren Bloggs - November 18th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
I hear Liverpool fc may give into Barca’s demands to take MASCH away from Anfield, and the deal in question would mean they will offer £20m plus Yaya Toure. Now think about it, Yaya Toure (along with the likes of Diarra, Masch and Essien) is one of the greatest anchorman in the current game, and would more than replace our little argentine!
Add to the fact we would have £20m to play with, i think this deal would work wonders, i mean do not get me wrong i think Javier is brilliant and want him to stay but i am simply suggesting that if he pushes for a move then this is the deal i would definetly want.
Then if we were to sell Babel, Voronin and Dossena we would easily make around £35m plus the reported £8m we are supposed to be getting from the owners (yeah right!!!) then we would have a massive £40+m to play with! Now i am not neive i do realise that we are unlikely to get anything from our owners and instead they are more likely to take some of the £35m Rafa would raise and pay off there debts……….
…………but lets imagine a miracle happens………….the owners give Rafa the funds to splash the cash!
WHO WOULD YOU GUYS SIGN WITH AROUND £35M? BEING REALISTIC AND REMEMBER WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE YAYA TOURE! PLEASE GIVE YOUR VIEWS!
Retryboy - November 18th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Being realistic? They would never pay £20m on top to start with. Would rather keep our quality players like mascherano and babel. Sell the deadwood itandje, degen, dossena, kyrgiakos, voronin, would bring in £15m minimum plus £8m off the owners. £23m budget without touching any quality players and bring back nemeth!
Warren Bloggs - November 18th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Eto’o plus £45m for Ibrahimovic?
dave - November 18th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
liverpool were trying to sell alonso who had been poor for two seasons for around £14-16m,to fund a deal for barry.a year later he becomes a world class player and is sold for £30m plus add ons,because he wanted to leave,its like saying we should have sold lucas last summer for £5m,by the end of next season i bet you will value him at £20m
dave - November 18th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
i would go for sergio aguero with 35m maybe pay the rest in installments,or go for villa and silva with the rest also in installments and valencia would not be able to turn it down due to their own financial problems.
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
on top of that 35mill i would also sell skrtel, the greek, reira, degen and itandje
but i would keep babel
and sign upson and ilunga for 15mill, sign a right mid i would liek to see milner around 15-20mill, and sign a lm/cf mata 15mill, young 25mill, arshavin 18millish
……………………….reina……………………
johnson..carragher..upson..ilunga
…………………mascherano……………..
…………..gerrard…….aquilani………….
milner…………..torres……………?……..
back ups
gk
cavalieri
rb
kelly darby
cb
agger kelly ayala
lb
insua aurelio
rm
kuyt benayoun
cm
lucas benayoun spearing
lm
benayoun babel
st
ngog kuyt nemeth babel pacheco
gerrard also able to play as right mid or left mid or second striker say as arshavin and young is we signed them
Donavan Ried - November 18th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Retryboy – November 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm ….. I think that your assessment of the situation as it pertains to the Alonso/Barry gate affair is spot on …..
When will he ever take the blame for his mistakes? …..
anonymous – November 18th, 2009 at 5:35 am ……..
I agree … IN RASTA WE TRUST
Warren Bloggs – November 18th, 2009 at 6:16 pm ……Eto’o plus £45m for Ibrahimovic?” …… That was the steal of the century and truely great player (Eto0 for the single most overated player in the world (Ibrahimovic) ….
Yet another reason we should want Jose Mourinho as manager for Liverpool…..
dave – November 18th, 2009 at 6:33 pm …… Chelsea are ready to bid £45m for Aguero …..
anonymous - November 18th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
We should get
Aguero (28 million + Babel)(Perfect Torres partner)
Milner (15 million) (English and better than Kuyt)
Iker Munian (4 million) (Star of the future)
I have a good feeling we will got new investment by January so we should agree a deal for Aguero then so Chelsea don’t get him first. He would definately prefer Liverpool to Chelsea as he has said many times.
Retryboy - November 19th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Donovan- totally agree on eto, steal of the century. Dave you can try and re-paint history with your rafa tinted glasses as always. Alonso was always quality, not one liverpool fan wanted barry over alonso and everyone was up in arms over it last season proved the fans right and the manager wrong on that subject we all know keane could have been a massive success too. Alonso’s value didn’t double in one season. Everyone in the world appreciated his quality years before
anonymous - December 21st, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Hey retryboy you need to wake up to yourself, I read one of your comments it said you would not want to see LFC become a billionaires play thing because the promising 18 year olds wont get a game and you would rather them than Kaka, Messi and god knows who else?
Let me tell you something that ship has sailed, in this day and age it is a bussiness regardless of whether you and I agree and if you want to be the best you must have the best or as many of them as it takes, these players you speak off are fantastic players and when they were 18 they had no problems breaking into teams with world class footballers.
So I put it to you that if there is any young local talent around then, that can play the game at the pace and skill it is played at ,is out there then he will make it through.
Guess what there is’nt, the truth is that the English have a hand full of great players where as the likes of Brazil, Italy, France, Spain etc….. have them almost in every team. The English team has been a huge disappointment for a lot of years why else has the EPL bought so many players from around the world, and no it’s not because they don’t want the English it’s because there is’nt enough players, that are at that level to win C/L, P/L etc.
To win the games that matter you must keep up with your opponents its that simple. If you are lucky and you find a manager that can make a team with players that are not as famous or as good as the others but work just as well if not better than it will work eg.. MUFC….. and I cant stand them buy the way but it has worked for them, and even they have shopped else where.
So I think that comment of yours was a load of crap we need at least 4 to 5 world class players and when I say world class I mean world class. Torres, Gerrard, Kaka ,Messi etc……………. but thats only my oppinion.