The Perfect Liverpool January Signing: Roman Pavlyuchenko?
by Arjun Kulkarni on November 23rd, 2009 834 words | 86 commentsCOS contributor Arjun Kulkarni discusses transfer options that might suit Rafa down to the ground.
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The numerous different types of injuries the Reds are suffering from has added a few words to my vocabulary. So as the much needed transfer window opens in January, who is most likely to come to Anfield.
The series of hamstring and adductor injuries have rendered Liverpool as the most neediest team in the Premiership. While the shortcomings are most obvious on the strikers front, as a Liverpool fan, I feel hard done by Riera’s and Johnson’s injuries which also makes the left wing and right back positions rather precarious. Add to that Fabio Aurelio injured as well whose replacement, Insua, just doesn’t look THAT good on the left back. Luckily Lucas has started looking more and more Brazilian over the last couple of games, which means that the heart of the midfield (even without Steven Gerrard) looks just about O.K. And with Benayoun out and Aquilani ‘recovering’ who knows what turn this season might take at the end of the international break for Liverpool.
Well it will only take a turn for the worse unless something is done about the abject poverty of options up front. Sure Gerrard is recovering, but the coyness Benitez is showing w.r.t. Torres’ injury might mean that he is going to be out for some time and reinforcements need to be made. And fast, before top players start considering Aston Villa/Manchester City a top four club! So understandably as the January transfer window opens, Liverpool FC couldn’t hope for it to come sooner so that they can go on the hunt for some good players!
And what a hunt it looks like it’s going to be! Some of the names that have been linked with Liverpool are so bloody wonderful that you can’t help but rub your eyes in disbelief. Villa? Silva? Huntelaar? Van Der Vaart? With a bit more realism, you cannot even brush the hopes of Pavlyuchenko and Carlton Cole aside! All of them seem to have a sterling chance of making it at Anfield.
But then again, we were looking for Ryan Shawcross and Michael Turner over the summer and ended up with some aging, nervous, Greek guy, due to a ‘lack of funds’. So no point getting our hopes up.
So let’s just be intelligent and not hope for that miracle that will accidentally enough bring David Villa to Liverpool. Sure – he may be Torres’ best buddy and he may have played under Rafael Benitez, but the bids going around for Villa are simply preposterous and most certainly out of Liverpool’s reach. Besides, he himself has professed a desire to play for the Mancs (smarting with the CR sale money) so it looks quite likely that he will wear their red shirt instead.
And while Villa publicly snubbed Chelsea, the Russian scorned will not mind paying through his nose to get Klaas-Jan Huntelaar. God knows why. Perhaps as a back-up for the impending African Cup of Nations depletion. And with Drogba out, he in particular wouldn’t mind buying a 20 mil back up himself.
Carlton Cole? I dunno… he seems to have improved a lot, but 12mil for him is absolutely out of question. I don’t think the Americans are going to pay overinflated amounts for anyone. But with some suggestions for some ridiculous quota rule doing the rounds, and if David Villa does go to the Mancs, Carlton Cole might end up at Anfield.
Which leaves Roman Pavlyuchenko Talented, yet inexplicably turned a blind eye upon by Harry Redknapp, this Russian continues to rot at Tottenham Hotspur, while his compatriot Andrei Arshavin continues his upward ascent on the other side of North London. I’m sure that seeing this disparity makes Pav feel rather hard done and resentful and Harry wouldn’t mind seeing the back of him. And since the other big 4 do not seem to want him, and a loan deal is hopefully a financially viable option for Liverpool, Pav looks quite likely to get a loan move to Anfield for some time.
Now, I’m not sure how good he is, but a loan deal doesn’t really sound like the tactically best option. Rafael Benitez takes about a year on an average to extract the best out of a player and 6 months is quite a short period to make a man out of Pav. But unfortunately, given the financial difficulties and lack of competition for Pav, he is currently the most likely option for Liverpool FC.
But I still maintain that Klaas-Jan Huntelaar would be the dream move for Liverpool. Benitez is talking about selling Babel, Voronin, Dossena and Degen and raising some money. I say, sell that sulking skunk Mascherano too. Liverpool stand to get more from his departure than his staying here. So if these deals are handled well, and some serious money comes into the scouse coffers, then we can make a serious move for Huntelaar, even Villa.
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Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Lmao what a load of bollox!
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Pavlyuchenko is on the bench at Spurs. Why is that? Maybe it’s because he is not as good as Crouch, Defoe and Keane? I personally don’t think he is good enough for Liverpool either. For me, N’Gog is a better option.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
get nemeth back simples
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Tottenham would never loan or sell us pavlyuchenko seeing as though they are going for our top four spot. Lucas looking more brazilian? He has played every game this year hasn’t scored a goal or created one. Aurelio is injured? What a surprise he has spent the last 3 years and rafa wants to give him a 2 year contract! Johnson being injured makes the RB precarious? No the fact rafa refuses to play darby does. We ended up with a dodgy greek guy because rafa didn’t put faith in ayala and kelly to be fourth choice centre back! Sell mascherano and replace the worlds best defensive midfielder with who lucas? Vastly improved but can’t tackle and is too slow looks better going forward. Spearing better shout to be a back up to mascherano but you don’t sell your best players!! Get rid of rafa, get Mancini in. Do it quick before our good players do have enough.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Change the record Retry you boring git. Do actually believe all the stuff that you spout on here. I bet you are a great laugh to watch a Liverpool game with. I’ve heard opposing teams fans speak more highly of Liverpool than you. I notice that it’s Mancini you want in today. It was Allardyce yesterday wasn’t it? What exactly would Mancini bring to the table then? Do you honestly believe that Liverpool could win the Premiership under Mancini? I actually thought that the”dodgy Greek” had a good game against Citeh but then I guess it would be better to play the reserves in the Premier league. You keep going on about Nemeth all the time but I bet you never mentioned him last season.
Reds Lewis - November 23rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Retry you are wrong about lucas
it was his through ball that put Ngog through to score against man ure…
and he isnt slow at all?? How is lucas slow lol? did you watch the man city game???
Bellamy is QUICK and Lucas had NO PROBLEMS tracking back and holding him off lol….
Agree with some of your points about the reserves…Ayala looked sturdy but I went to the Stoke game at the start of the season and im pretty sure that when he played then…he had NO confidence what soever…he wouldnt pass forwards, only to the sides.
the “dodgy greek” is actually looking like a decent defender…lets be honest he kept Adebayor quiet….I dont think the reserves could have done aswell as he did against Man city.
kYRGIAKOS’s slide tackling is also pretty dam good…
On the point of Pavyluchenko….
Im quite sure Totenham would sell him lol…they sold berbatov to man u after all…
and he wants out…its not like Totenham have the highest say in this now because Pav wants to leave.
Ive been saying for ages that PAV is a decent player and his hold up play is good. He still makes the Russian national team despite being on the bench at spurs…and lets face it you dont do that by being crap….
also go on wikipedia and check his domestic cup record out….its fantastic.
and he started those games….and lets not forget his ability to pinch goals e.g like the one he pinched against us at the lane last season.
Id rather pay 10 million for Pavyluchenko than 5 million for VDR
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Been going on about nemeth since he banged in 25 goals in a reserve season 2 years ago. Mentioned Allardyce once because i think he is the best english manager on reflection wouldn’t be the big name needed to keep the players like torres happy Mancini would he is available, has won 3 league titles and 6 domestic cups in 6 years as a manager, plays attacking football and has been taking english lessons for a while. Why don’t you change the record you have been spouting the same in rafa i trust garbage ever since the season started. Only part of liverpool i am negative about is rafa. You are negative about the squad, youth, owners you blame everyone except the one person who has had total control. Yes i do believe the stuff i put up here i make valid points you don’t make any and you can’t answer any.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Oh really? So I am anti Liverpool but pro Benitez. You really are a bit of a cock Retry.What negative things do I say about Liverpool? I want what is best for the club, always have, always will and the way I see it is that fans, especially on here are so fickle that any new manager that didn’t win the league in his first season would be slated. As for valid points being made. Here’s one for you. Mancini has never managed in the Premier league and it is only your opinion that he could do well. Same as when Benitez came here. Here’s another one for you. Mancini wopuld be working under the same financial restraints as Benitez. Here’s another one for you. Mancini would not be able to cure the injury problems that we have at the moment. Here’s another one for you. Liverpool, under Benitez beat Inter, under Mancini 3 nil in 2007/08 season in the CL. Humbled them as I remember.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
i agree benitez has to go but personaly mancini 4 me is not the answer. i would try to lure martin oneil away from villa. good manager done his schooling under cloughie good with british players dont stand 4 any prima donnas and has managed a big club before in celtic.rafas bubble has burst and any kopite defending him is doing us no favours . look at the alonso sittuation he gets 30m after trying to sell him behind his back. and then says barry is not worth 12m but buys the likes ov keane for 6months for 23m .also can you see are big guns standing 4 ueffa cup football.i think not. and when i say big guns how many do we have 5tops and thats been genorous! hes had time to build a squad and has constantly relyed on steve g and el nino to bail him out . hes had sum luck but as i say the bubble has burst get rid quick even if we have to bring king kenny in to stablise the titanic. i could go on all day . sorry rafa but when you lose the kop the end is nigh!!!!!!!! and its starting to happen more and more ecery week.also dont forget hes been linked with the real madrid job for next season.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Kop King
We need players who will improve the team and have more quality comming in that the ones goijng out, so Pavlyuchenko is deffinitely a bad move for us. I do however agree that we need a more attack minded manager but when you think about who isn’t more attack minded that Rafa.
Have to make a quick comment on Allardyse as a possible contender, R U HAVING A LAUGH.
kermit - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:10 pm
hiddink is available at the moment
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Kop King
Hiddink would be my first choice.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
As i have said previously. The season ends in May so all this talk not being in the Champions league next season is simply conjecture. It’s like me saying; “We will win every league game from now on”.
kermit - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
and deswpite being much maligned as england manager steve mclaren is doing an absolutely fantastic job with fc twente
kermit - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
capello would be mine but he is not currently available, so hiddink would be a good alternative
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Kop King
Hoogle I too like Retry am left dismayed by Rafa and find your statisical defense of our gaffer to be hollow and pointless as the facts remain we have lost far too many games this season regardless of excuses. You cannot defend that record and must admit on this evidence that Rafa has to go.
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Erm… Reds lewis wright phillips actually ran a full circle around kyrgiakos to set up citys second! against lyon was fine again until he actually had to do something, then his back header should have given lyon a goal but for reina’s brilliance and then he was jointly at fault for their goal! Real top player there and lyon/city by the way didn’t have an ounce of ambition going forward didn’t offer a thing soon as they do kyrgiakos looks woeful. One hoofed ball by lucas when the game was already won? He must have played 15 games this season! If he was as good with his head against chelsea and city as he was into his own net at villa maybe you can say he is looking brazilian. Said he is improved but he isn’t creative, isn’t defensively dominant so doesn’t deserve to take a place away from a creative player am certain a midfield 3 of mascherano, gerrard, benayoun from the start of the season would have created a load more than one assist. Midfield 3 of mascherano, aquilani, gerrard would do now too not lucas fault 2 defensive midfielders doesn’t work and mascherano is world class. Thought ayala played well against stoke too.
kermit - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
hiddink is one manager that could do well with our budget, he can perform miracles with poor teams.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Kop King
Kermit the thing is we havn’t got a poor team just a poor manager.
kermit - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
retro stop bashing lucas, he is a better player than we have yet seen , he must be petrified about making mistakes everytime he gets the ball , why because of liverpools shitty supporters, and him being villified again, i really feel sorry for him, if i were lucas i would have left already and i d have spat on the liverbirds on the way out
kermit - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
agreed i think hiddink would get the best out of ryan babel, he wouldnt play kuyt wide right either, nor try to make lucas into a defesnive midfielder, not have sold keane after a few months of playing him out of position to make him look bad, he wouldnt have let alonso go last season either.
kermit - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
i have seen torres miss easier headers than lucas missed on saturday
kermit - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
if i was lucas i would have gone on loand to bolton last season, i would have personally sought out the move
kermit - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
and f i was babel i d have demanded a transfer before now and broken benite z nose as i was leaving
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
we have too many average players, kuyt,voronin, lucas. but3 rafa plays 2 holding players at home why? i am on the fence with rafa, but noises are comming out of anfield, if he does not improve then all the good work he has done will be gone with him.
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Mentioned Allardyce once months ago that dikhed just throws it in because its the only thing i have said on here he can argue with still think he will prove to be a top manager, he had bolton top 6 for years with nothing. Was rated best english manager by far when maclaren got the england job cos he was part of the setup and has now taken Blackburn from being 6 points into the relegation zone to safety this season spent no money worst squad in the league inherited and they are 4 points behind us with a game in hand and have played all the top teams. So who has done a better job this season him or rafa? If any decent manager had what rafa has at his disposal even with injuries we would see better. Oh and while we beat inter in a champions league game Mancini was on his way to his 3rd league title and being the most succesful inter milan boss in recent times.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I will admit that we have lost too many games but I cannot blame Benitez for all of the losses as most of them were not his fault. I will blame bad defending at set pieces, missed chances and bad team performances. Maybe all of the above things are the fault of the manager but i am not yet at the stage where I think sacking him will be the best thing to do. As i said before. The season ends in May and “if” we don’t finish in the top 4 and have not competed in the other competitions that we are in then I might change my mind but until May I shall reserve my judgement.
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Kermit i am not bashing lucas you are ridiculously over the top about him. Saying stevie g doesn’t want him to be the golden boy and have him blasting in goals from 30 yards so he intimidates him!! you have totally lost the plot. He has improved and is now an average squad player not a first team regular! He would struggle to get in most first teams in the epl and while neat and tidy creates nothing.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
I think Rafa has been a good servant to the club over the years and has brought us forward but surely all things must come to an end and I don’t see that he will be able to bring us any further. Yes, this season has been injury riddled but with the talent we have at Melwood this offers little excuse.
As to a new manager I’d like to see someone proven in the Premiership. Hiddink would be a massive scoop but I also like the idea of Martin O’Neil. Again we have many young and talented players coming through the ranks. What we need is a top manager who can get the best out of the players we have. Hiddink showed this a Chelsea.
What we don’t need is to waste money on dodgy last minute signings i.e. Kyrgiakos. He’s been woeful. He did have his best game in my opinion against Citeh which doesn’t speak very highly of his past appearances. He’s no where near Liverpool quality. I’d much rather see Ayala give up a soft goal.
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Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Just reread your comments kermit if you were lucas you would have spat on the liverbirds?! Our shitty supporters?! He was terrible for a whole season and kept getting picked over better players, left on while benayoun got subbed when we needed a goal. Not his fault again taking the blame for the managers failings but if you think like that you need help. A minority of fans booed lucas and only after months of terrible displays he has from his own mouth had an unprecedented level of support from the manager and fans.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Am I only a dickhead because i don’t agree with you Retry?
Reds Lewis - November 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 pm
retry..I agree with the thing about him not being good enoguh to possibly take a creative midfielder out of the picture…although rafa wont play Aquilani (much to my frustration) and really dont think spearing is as good as everyone barks on about.
Seen him a few times for the reserves before he was in the 1st team bench a bit….and he looked ok there but maybe a bit out of his depth in the 1st team. Having said that….he hasnt really had a decenty run of games so its very hard to judge that.
My ideal line up would have Aquilani instead of Lucas and benayoun on the right instead of kuyt….with riera on the left.
like this
Reina
Johnson Carra agger insua/aurelio (AURELIO ISNT A LM!!!!)
Masch
Benayoun Aquilani Gerrard Riera
Torres
subs: Sktrel,Nemeth,Kuyt,Ngog,Lucas
and we could play lucas instead of aquilani, alongside masch if we have 2 goals and just need to defend a lead or something…cos lucas is pretty decent at breaking up play…(whether that be with giving away free kicks or by good tackles i will leave up to you lol)
Reds Lewis - November 23rd, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Strongly disagree with martin oneil as manager..hes a fucking pleb…
and really hes got a villa squad with some amazing players and hes not won much has he lol?
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Depends Hoogleboy am i really a bit of a cock(4.01) because i don’t agree with you?
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
kermit – November 23rd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
agreed i think hiddink would get the best out of ryan babel, he wouldnt play kuyt wide right either, nor try to make lucas into a defesnive midfielder, not have sold keane after a few months of playing him out of position to make him look bad, he wouldnt have let alonso go last season either.
How do you know all this? This is just your opinion. Not one thing in this whole paragraph is based in reality. Why do people find it so hard to stick to facts on here.
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Have always thought rafa was too defensive but with alonso leaving and aquilani arriving in the summer we were promised a more attacking player in the same mould. All we have seen this season is an even more defensive approach. 2 holding midfielders and even when gerrard is played behind torres he is expected to defend. Even if aquilani is played he will probably be told to sit. Babel played once on the right which a lot of us have been crying out for he set up the winner against west ham with the only real bit of wing play on the right we have seen for years. Torres was singing his praises afterwards no wonder would make his job so much easier having crosses to attack. Babel has never played there again despite kuyt being terrible. Benayoun played central against hull when mascherano was missing, gerrard dropped back we won 6-1 and benayoun looked like the new beardsley and we have never played with one holding midfielder again. Rafa’s game plan this year is so messed up its not rocket science defenders defend, wingers attack, full backs get forward when they can he has reversed everyones roles and we leak goals.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Not because you don’t agree with me, I don’t care about that because football is all about opinions. Why I think you are a bit of a cock is that you make stuff up that has never been said, think your opinion is the right one and get all touchy when someone disagrees with you, find it impossible to understand that all this talk is just opinions, the fact that you actually believe that you know better than Benitez,, the fact that you think that Allardyce would be a good manager for Liverpool. There are probably more reasons if i could be bothered to think anymore about it.
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Reds lewis would have the exact same team except babel on the right, yossi on the left. You have to let aquilani loose in the system though and yeah if we are a couple of goals up good options to close a game down having not just lucas for aquilani but kuyt on the right. You need the team to get the goals first though.
...samlfc.... - November 23rd, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Like i said on the other on the RVN blogg thing i prefer to have a Right winger as in my opinion that is the only place where we are not equiped for….i know the left isn’t that great but Riera is a left winger so…i guess we are equipped in the left midfield.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 5:55 pm
I’m sure that El Zhar would be playing more had he not been injured. I agree that a right winger as an option would be great but the system that Benitez plays is not really condusive of wingers. retry reckons that Babel would be good on the right and maybe he would in some games but Kuyt offers more to the team by a mile in workrate. Babel drifts in and out of a game wherever he plays.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 6:16 pm
i think david dunn would be a good buy, as gerrard needs more rest as he is injuried and he would add abit of steal in the midfield and wouldnt cost alot.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
I think you all make some good points
I agree that some of the players you can question
On Rafa some of is decisions ARE bizzare, selection and tactics
Alonso Business, out of the time he was at liverpool he had two very good seasons fist and last. but what a great player.
The young guns are they world class material to take us up to the next level ?
Have we really got the pace and creativty in the side ?
If you look at our opening game of the season at spurs we have never recovered or got going for whatever reason injurys, form ,players coming back late Mash rumours rafa tactics etc
What games do you all think we should have lost really because i feel we have been unlucky and didnt take chances ?
Have we defensively now been found out ?
Is it the ownership of the club lets face it, Its not the liverpool way
We all know who shouldnt be at the club i dont think there is anyone who hasnt been given a chance (apart for Ryan in his position i would send him out on loan)
I dont know if you all agree with his but we have four world class players
Reina
Gerrard
Mash
Torres
And i feel we need more the others very good to good to crap squad players.
If liverpool want to pogress to the next level then thats what we need world class players with the young quality kids pecking at their heels ?
Regards
Pete
Warren Bloggs - November 23rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I still think the likes of Voronin, Babel and Dossena should be sold come January along with some other dire waste. I would love Liverpool to splash the cash in the winter transfer window but this seems incredibly unlikely…..we need a fresh start, new owners, new players (not at the extent of losing our current ‘good’ players), and possibly a new manager although i still feel Rafa is the man for the job, much to the dismay of many reds fans on here, sorry guys!
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
The concensus on the main site fans forum is does certainly not advocate the sacking of Benitez. Lets just hope that Lyon and us both win tomorrow night then we can concentrate on beating the bitters and going on that winning run that I mentioned earlier.
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Hoogleboy you attack anyone that dares to question st rafa and you offer nothing in return except show blind faith, ignore all the obvious bad decisions because obviously rafa knows best take a look at the league table we are 13 points off the top, 5 off 4th and only 9 above relegation! look at the teams that we have lost to this season, we have beaten one good team all year! Any half decent team we have played have beaten or held us, the way we have played terrible! you want us to wait till the end of the season. If we don’t finish top four we lose the ability to attract players, millions of pounds and how hard will it be to get back there? Never mind the good players like babel and mascherano who will probably be gone under rafa as well as the young talent how many of them will get fed up with lack of opportunity and go? Eccleston has already turned down a new contract because he knows he will have no chance under rafa. The time to act is now before its too late.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I agree with Retry.
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Lol first decent thing to come out of your gob Hoogleboy
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 7:08 pm
At last!!! Nail on the head time. And you said that I was proven wrong a million times. I’d say that I have been right all along. About you Retry anyway.
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Too retarded to even understand sarcasm there really is no hope for you!
Anfield Faithful - November 23rd, 2009 at 7:32 pm
The only player i am seeing going out in jan is dossena. I do not belive that rafa would sell voronin(hell) or plessis(Crap) or degen. On pav he is not coming, redknapp would probably demand 14-15m for him and that’d be the end of it. Would like to see elia coming though but not at expense of babel
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Nobody got an answer to my points
Regards
Pete
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 8:02 pm
Retryboy and donavan are just armchair supporters who never go the game so what do they really know
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 pm
I will answer one pete the young guns are they world class material? Nemeth and pacheco definitely are but a lot more Robbie fowler than torres. Bearing in mind that Robbie fowler wouldn’t have made a great lone striker, nor would michael owen what would they have become under benitez? Probably be out on loan in athens or sat in the reserves lol the defenders kelly, ayala, darby all top quality mavinga, Eccleston, amoo, simon, gulacsi, looking good, a lot better than some of the squad players rafa picks.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
retardboy kellys injured u twat i think you like u just like looking at young boy because if we played all of them we’d be f@cked
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Just go for it. Villa(38), Silva(25) and Martinez(12), Martin to squad and Kelly to squad also; Eq. £75 million.
Raised by the sales of Dossena(6), Degen(2), Intandje(2), Cavalieri(5), Mascherano(36), Babel(9), Voronin(3) and the Kitty(12); Eq.£75.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Jan: In Pavlechenko(Loan), Van de Vaart( Loan/optional buy)
In the summer Rafa 2 go. Hiddink apoointed, mascherano doesnt want 2 go its jus his wife is unsettled in england + hates it.
WE WILL GET BOUGHT AS WELL!!!
Summer: In Aguero(30m), Mata(15m), Silva(unlikely)/Lennon/Lavezzi, Riise(4.5m)
Out: Babel( 11m), Vorronin, Dossena, Degen
Mascherano + REina sorted with new long term contracts.
Nemeth to return from loan.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Kop King
Will eveyone stop getting so personal and also stop trying to prove who the best supporters are.
We all have different ideas and views but whether you go to games , wear the shirt or how long you have supported the team is immaterial.
Warren Bloggs - November 23rd, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Kop King is spot on, everyone needs to calm down, support our team and respect one another, good shout mate!
January:
SELL:
Voronin for around £3-4m
Dossena for around £5-6m
Making around £10m (i am being incredibly unlikely i agree, however, i see this as optomism!)
Sign Pavlyuchenko or Cole for around £10-12m
Then if Ryan Babel does not improve we should try a swap deal plus £5m for Eljero Elia, who i think will be world-class!!!!
3 out, 2 in and very realistic!!
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Liverpool FC Danny
I think we should get rid of Rafa bring in an experienced manager like Hiddink(looking for new, good in PL, would improve players like Babel) and bring us back to winning ways, when he retires in 3-4 years time we can bring in a great young manager like Zola, Blanc or ay be even Guardiola!!!
PS. Rafa is starting to remind me of Juande Ramos last year.
anonymous - November 23rd, 2009 at 10:58 pm
rafa, you must buy edin–dzeko in janaury transfor. think about it, don’t hasitate.
Retryboy - November 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Out-voronin, dossena (£10m) itandje, degen, kyrgiakos (£5m) & rafa in-Koman(£4m) cole(£12m) nemeth(recall) & Mancini
Donavan Ried - November 24th, 2009 at 1:04 am
Hoogleboogybugleboy – November 23rd, 2009 at 2:47 pm……. His on the bench because Harry doesn’t think he can play with Defoe, but I think everyone here in Tottenham knows he can………
Retryboy – November 23rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm ……..”Tottenham would never loan or sell us pavlyuchenko seeing as though they are going for our top four spot”….. Think you’re right here
Sorry just reading the posts, 60 for them a head of me LOL…
Evening Retryboy, Warren Bloggs, Reds Lewis, samlfc…., Kop King, Kermiit, Pete, and Anfield Faithful.
Jesus Retryboy you and Hoogleboogybugleboy have been going at it today LOL…… Well have to read on 54 to go
Hoogleboogybugleboy – November 23rd, 2009 at 3:31 pm……… I agree with you again Kyrgiakos did have a good game…… But what make you believe that Liverpool could not win the EPL under Mancini? His teams play amore attacking style of football than Rafa’s, plus his teams always go out to win games not to not lose them……
I guess the reason why Retryboy hardly mentioned Nemeth last season is because he was injured and under Rafa we hardly saw him. Since he as been on loan he has improved no end, where as with all his first team football just how much as N’gog? …… Hardly any that’s how much
Reds Lewis – November 23rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm….. “I’m quite sure Tottenham would sell him lol…they sold berbatov to man u after all…” pre-season, not mid-season with them leading us
Hoogleboogybugleboy – November 23rd, 2009 at 4:01 pm ……”Mancini has never managed in the Premier league and it is only your opinion that he could do well.” …….Jose Mourinho had never managed an EPL team, but he won the title the first two years he was here…..
“under Benitez beat Inter, under Mancini 3 nil in 2007/08 season in the CL. Humbled them as I remember.” ……. And we lost 3-1 to Fulham so Roy Hodgson by your logic……….
Retryboy – November 23rd, 2009 at 4:15 pm….. Yeah but as for Kyrgiakos against Adebayor he was good
Kop King November 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 pm….. His right Kermit, this is a team that beat both Man Utd and Real
If there is one thing Big Sam’s teams know how to do and that is defend…..
Danish Red – November 23rd, 2009 at 4:46 pm ………”Yes, this season has been injury riddled but with the talent we have at Melwood this offers little excuse.”…… Yes stop on mate
Hoogleboogybugleboy – November 23rd, 2009 at 5:13 pm …..”Why do people find it so hard to stick to facts on here?”……. OK….. Rafa took over in 2004/05 season … In 2000/01 and again in 02/03 season we won the League Cup, The FA cup 00/01, Cup Winners Cup, and Super Cup both in 00/01….. In 04/05 Rafa won the CL and Super Cup, largely with a team Gérard Houllier had put together…. Rafa team won the 06 FA Cup…..Over £200m pounds and over five years later LFC are doing worst under Rafa than under Gérard Houllier with a so called better squad of players …….. FACT
Hoogleboogybugleboy – November 23rd, 2009 at 5:31 pm ……..”The fact that you actually believe that you know better than Benitez,”……. That would not take much,
“The fact that you think that Allardyce would be a good manager for Liverpool”……….. I have said this before……. If some of the so called “smaller Managers” were given the chance at bigger clubs they would surprise….. Look at Harry Rednapp…… I agree Big Sam would do a better Job than Rafa at Liverpool
Pete- November 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm…………. Reina, Gerrard, Mash, Torres……yes these are world class player, and yes at least two more are needed…….
“If Liverpool wants to progress to the next level then that’s what we need world
Class players with the young quality kids pecking at their heels?”……you have this spot on
Warren Bloggs – November 23rd, 2009 at 6:27 pm ……….”we need a fresh start, new owners, new players (not at the extent of losing our current ‘good’ players), and possibly a new manager “……… Can’t argue with you there…… But I can here …..”Although I still feel Rafa is the man for the job, much to the dismay of many reds fans on here, sorry guys!”……. LOL
Liverpool FC Danny- November 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm….. Think Zola would be a great shout, well respected as a player, players want to play for him that along with playing for Liverpool should attracted some great players……. And before anyone say “What as he done as a Manager, Remember King Kenny? And Pep Guardiola?
“Rafa is starting to remind me of Juande Ramos last year.”….. CCSKA Moscow sack him two weeks plus ago LOL
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 3:25 am
ALL THOSE WHO WANTS RAFA TO LEAVE SHOULD START SUPPORTING ANOTHER TEAM RIGHT NOW AS YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF BEING LIVERPOOL SUPPORTERS. RAFA IS HAVING A BAD TIME WITH INJURIES AND BADLUCK AS WELL. IF HE WAS PROVIDED THE MONEY WE WOULD HAVE A STRONGER TEAM TODAY WITH GOOD BACKUPS. WHERE IS THE MONEY YOU DAMN YANKEES??
RAFA HAS DONE WELL BUT JUST BADLUCK BIG TIME THIS SEASON.
SO IN RAFA I TRUST.
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 5:22 am
I have been following all the contributions on these sites for some time now and could sense all the frustration coming out. Some of you make useful points but others like Retryboy and Donovan bores me to tears. Every thing they see is half glass empty. Even global warming is Rafa’s fault for farting too much! From many of their reasoning which I have no stamina and energy to list out each of them here, I can safely say they don’t play the game much. At least not seriously. All they want is Liverpool making major signings of their preference such as Silva, Poborski, etc, etc to help them reach orgasm. If Rafa is unable to purchase them, there you go, he is bad bad manager. He can’t man manage. He chooses bad players.
As for Pavly, I don’t see him coming. This is just paper talk. Bull shit.
Sam Allydyce to manage Liverpool? Gosh..I would have to chew on my arm if that happens.
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 5:32 am
Kaleb
FIRST OF ALL…when ever lucas travells, he is always stopped at customs, as noone can believe that he really is Brazillian. His passport is constantly considered fake. As 4 improving, what goal has been set up by his play? Our midfield is the worst in the league! Mas and lucas should be offered as trade bait. With that I would buy V D VART, and pay out that f***ing useless piece of crap manager Rafa beneathus. So long as he stays, pool will suffer.
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 5:43 am
Anonymous nov 24 3:25 am….YOU ARE A FOOL. YOU are content with medeocrity. You just dont get it. IF RAFA HAD 100 mill to spend, the team would play the same old shite. He is a gutless wonder. He plays his pathetic formation and his over cautous approach has cost pool last year the title, and this year all cups are gone as well as the prem. He is a disater. The problem IS NOT THE MONEY YOU F***ING IDIOT. THE PROBLEM IS RAFA BENEATHUS! He is a terrible player manager, a terrible tactician, a terrible manager, and a dissaster that will continue to happen. SO go on trusting in rafa, But YOU WILL KOP THE FRUSTRATION FROM THE REST OF US, AS IT IS BECAUSE OF IMBOCILES LIKE YOU, THAT RAFA KEEPS HIS JOB. SO YOU GO SUPPORT ANOTHER CLUB!
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 5:56 am
KALEB
good posts retry and donovan. Kermit I hear what your saying about lucas, but mate, we need a goal scoring midfielder, or someone who will create goals, and the hobbit, well he simply is not good enough. He does not think like a midfileder, he thinks and plays as a holding mid, and imo we dont need 2 of em. IN RAFA WE MIS-TRUST
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 8:17 am
buy pav……in january you will see a good striker in upfront….you hav e to believe…pav is a good striker but he can show what he can do at spurs…i hope he come to liverpool…i want you in liverpool….pav can be good ideal with torres…you have n.gog n torres but you need a good striker….i hope rafael benitez buy roman pavyluchenko
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 8:23 am
you have to sell lucas…you have to give aquilani playing….he very good ideal with mascherano n gerard…i show you first eleven
GK :reina
DF:Johnsoon,skrtel,caragher,insua
MF :riera,gerard,aquilani,kuyt or benayoun
CF:Torres,Pavyluchenko
Formation:4-4-2
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 9:48 am
At the end of the day Liverpool have to rebuild there club with youth. there is no way we are going to challenge for the premiership with our current squad. i say lets start rebuilding. i dont understand why we have bought any players over 27 like that greek and voronin now there is talk of van nistle. i think the best thing we can do this year is blood some of the youngsters . so what if we lose a few .. were not exacty winning games with all the experienced players we have on the pitch atm. time to rebuild and challenge in a few years. HART LFC
Scouse Magic - November 24th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Pavulychenko is not the answer and even if he was Spurs wouldn’t let him move to us.
On reading all of the comments IMO you cannot blame one individual, Yes Rafa has to take the brunt as he’s the manager, but Carra, Skrtel, Agger, Insua, Masch Kuyt Babel Ngog have all not played well this season. We need consistent performances which we had last year We dont turn into a bad team overnight
Donavan Ried - November 24th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
anonymous – November 24th, 2009 at 5:43 am …… Please,Please,pretty Please post with a name ……. Have not been reading any anonymous, but reading KALEB post above yours,yours caught my eye and i have to say that i Agree with it 100% especailly the last comment ….. “AS IT IS BECAUSE OF IMBOCILES LIKE YOU, THAT RAFA KEEPS HIS JOB. SO YOU GO SUPPORT ANOTHER CLUB!” ….. Something the Rafaites just love saying to other supporters that they disagree with …. Well done mate
KALEB-November 24th, 2009 at 5:56 am ….. Thanks mate
kermit - November 24th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
primary gripe with rafa is always the same , i think watching the game he doeswnt see whats happening and make the appropriate changes early enough, hes way too slow in adapting to how the game is progressing onfield,
his man management is in question because we shouldnt have gotten rid of keane so early, babel should be going for the balon d or by now, he messed up with alonso, i mean he fell out initially cos xabi stayed for the birth of his kid. some things are more important than football.
agreed there aqre a lot of frustrations being taken out , but that is one win in ten games and our team is def lacking creaticvity, and we are desperately wanting to see aquilani succeeding or even playing would be good
i think rafa would be a better director of football than a manager at this stage, i think we already have players good enough to win the league but wouldnt disagree that reasonably priced goalscoring options such as podolski should be options considered,
also in terms of our youth team how many players fromthe u 17 world cup have we signed, especially nigerians, whose left back was outstanding and had two central strikers who will make the grade
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
COLDEN
Just to add to Retryboy’s post last night about our reserves, totally agree with the players you’ve noted (although I don’t think Simon will make the grade – be interesting to see how he does at AEK with Nemeth), and I would add a few others:
Bouzanis (19) – GK – looks good enough to play at top level in future (could end up with several top class keepers in a couple of years time)
Mikel San Jose (20) – CB – looked better than Ayala last season. Out on loan at Bilbao
Buchtmann – (17) – If he keeps progressing like he has so far, we will have a German international left back / left midfield. Already played for Germany under 17s & was named by UEFA in their top 10 future stars this year.
We need to have more faith in our youngsters, but not by using them in the first team every week, use as squad players to gain experience (bring on for about 20mins depending on how game’s going) & get rid of the dross (we all know who they are!). We would save a fortune in salaries (paying players to just be part of a squad – not good enough for regular first team places), as well as getting a bit of money back from transfers. We could then afford to look at decent backup for Torres, as well as 1 or 2 wingers (looks like Babel will be on his way now!).
Retryboy - November 24th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Colden agreed on simon although it was an exquisite pass for nemeth’s goal in the under 21’s but don’t think he will make the grade. San jose seems to be in limbo bilbao just don’t seem to be playing him. He was supposed to be getting experience last i heard we were thinking about cancelling the loan is a very commanding player. Buchtmann looks quality going forward, crossing especially needs to have his position defined though the last thing we need is another player who we don’t know if he is a left back or left midfielder and ending up average at both. Totally agreed on how they should be introduced too. Carling cup and on the bench or if we have an injury in their position not shuffle all the experienced, poor squad players around to somehow justify a 45 man first team squad and only giving them a chance in a crisis they should get their chances playing in strong teams else it is a poisoned chalice as it was for spearing at Sunderland.
Retryboy - November 24th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Afternoon donovan lot of late night reading for you lol highlight of your post the facts pointing to houllier being a better manager than rafa as we all know that isn’t true it highlights that you can always find facts to support any arguement and people should open their eyes and use their own judgement. Thankyou Kaleb again some good points made by you. Did anyone see jamie carraghers comments yesterday? Quite damning on rafa saying that he deceived fans regularly and tricked us all into focusing on the americans taking attention away from the manager. Agree totally except a lot of fans aren’t fooled and i feel that the brigade’s labelling people not true fans who question rafa stops a lot more people saying what they really think. Fitting it be Redknapp who says it the last signing of king Kenny nearly his final act before the managerial decline that followed. The fact that rafa is the best of all those managers that did follow means nothing. They were all allowed to do too much damage as is rafa now.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 24th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Boo hoo!!!
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
I have just heard from a source very close to Christian Purslow that Benitez will be sacked on Wednesday no matter what the results are tonight. Juande ramos is lined up to take over apparently. Now that is a name that no one has come up with.
Hoogleboogybugleboy - November 24th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
So many idiots. So little time.
RyanO - November 24th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Jaysis, they’re coming out of the woodwork now ain’t they?
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
When has David Villa played under Benetiz? He signed for Valencia a year after Benetiz left
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
South African Kopite
OK so here’s the deal… As soon as Aquilani is in the team in place of Lucas our season is going to take a turn. We are struggling on attack and Lucas just isnt doing the job from the midfield. He has definately improved but with Rafa pushing him back to a defensive mid role and his obvious nerves and inexperience he just isnt coping and we are getting torn apart as a result. I think the defence will pull itself together soon enough… Its been unstoppable the past few seasons and we has just been a bit shaky with injuries and new fullbacks(Johnson is insane though). I also think babel should be given some time on the right, Kuyt hasnt got the pace or attacking flare and although he works his ass off everygame I feel Babel is a more talented footballer and could definately be molded into a star if Benitez played him. We need to bring Nemeth back and if I would have one signing this summer it would be Lennon(pity it will never happen) YNWA
anonymous - November 24th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
South African Kopite
Rafa holds all the cards now, we have a talented enough squad to compete in all competitions… Yes it may not be as big or as star studded as Chelsea, but I feel United don’t have the greatest squad and they are still their usual… AWESOME. Rafa needs to turn it around or he must go, give him till the summer… No more complaints or questions asked
anonymous - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:15 am
ok for those people that dont think this fella can play i highly recomend you go out and buy the euro 2008 review on dvd and watch roman rip it up he and david villa were by far the best strickers there. but in saying that i would rather get podolski and schweinsteger.
anonymous - December 9th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Get rid of lucas throw in aquilani.. van nistleroy wants to come leave him we need some1 with a bit of experience and torres needs some with that experience to create a fearsome stiker partnership. here is a good team for liverpool if they can keep the players and get who day need….. Jose riena. Glen Johnson Jamie carragher Daniel agger .steven gerrard alberto aquiliani albert riera Fabio aruelio yossi benayoun dirk kuyt fernando torres..subs david ngog.kyriokus(the greek) martin kelly matin skirtel J.spearing. steven darby .39 eccleston.and if they get them nistleroy viera villa silva or pavlyunchenco…… let benitez finish out the season then bring in new manager.get byers in for the club get rid of the americans and bring in one of them unbelivable rich arabs lik city have and then we mite have better times
anonymous - December 22nd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
i think liverpool shoud buy david villa and a defender