Debrecen 0-1 Liverpool Champions League Highlights (Video)

Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 2:05 am

Only positives were ngog and nobody getting injured. Rafa was negative as always. A fully fit aquilani got 30 seconds of action in a game we had so much possession in. If debrecen were better than a 1st division team we would have probably lost. Why do we need 2 DCM against a team that fiorentina and lyon wiped the floor with, have a £1.5m transfer budget and are 7th in the hungarian league! They should have equalised in the dying minutes. We attacked so slowly it gave them all the time in the world to get men behind the ball. The damage was already done but this performance is typical of us under rafa we always give the other team a chance by being so defensive showing in the fact that even though we had all the possession they were comfortable enough to go 4-4-2! blaming late goals is stupid when debrecen managed to score as many as us in the whole tournament! Put the blame where it belongs on rafa and get him out!! Get Mancini in!!

Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 2:17 am

See patrick berger has added his name to whelan, souness and jamie Redknapp saying enough is enough with rafa. Said as soon as Ronnie whelan braved the wrath of the ‘in rafa we trust’ other former players would start speaking out. Another example of what Redknapp was saying in rafa trying to pull the wool over fans eyes him focusing attention on 2 late goals. Not the horror show performances in every game. Especially don’t want any attention on the games when we can’t blame an injury crisis do we rafa!!

Angry Ranting Drunk. - November 25th, 2009 at 5:22 am

Wow liverpool in the UEFA cup, thats dissapointing. Even the win today was pretty rubbish. Lets hope the team can at least start performing in the league. And FFS, play aquilani!!! You cant get match fit if you dont play

Jed - November 25th, 2009 at 6:05 am

i hate to say i told ya’s so….mmm no i dont really see boys i’m a realist, and a lot of you liverpool supporters live in a fantasy land….from day one even blind freddy could see that your squad didnt have the depth to compete for anything this year….7th in the league and out of the champions league,,,,i guess there is still the FA and europa cups to play for…. its funny how a lot of your are calling for Rafa’s head and i have said from the start, “get rid of rafa and you might win something”

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 25th, 2009 at 7:43 am

I could watch the 2nd half . My car broke down in pub and had to drive it home.

Anyway its nice to know Ngog was rafas buy for 1.5 mil is now worth at least 8 mil and is building in confidence.And to think he scored only one goal in 18 appearances for his former club. Hes disciplined professional, very good at holding up the play, can shoot with both feet, has pace and is now even taking on players. His positional has been excellent. would be nice to have a few lessons on tackling lol

he reminds me of anelka was he was young at arsenal but just a bit slower but definately more determined. Said it before he doesnt let you down. if he continues his progress then we wont need to buy a striker for next year.

If we get Rud van only on a free. ngog could learn a few things of him about heading and that.

One of liverpools biggest problems is the lack of ability to kill of games. it never really mattered in previous years alot because of our good defence. We would be confident at one nil we wouldnt concede. but first half was good,
Ngog will be a star its up to himself now and boy is he hungry.

Ironical that we lose money on babel yet gain money on ngog but hey the proof is in the pudding.

anyway i hope my car starts this morning without a jump lead.

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 25th, 2009 at 7:47 am

oh and for the bell end who wrote about having 3 at the back. it wont work would make us even more defensive but as you didnt put your name i wont explain to you why.

nanaghlfc - November 25th, 2009 at 8:21 am

at least we’ve finally won a game. we just have to hope the players keep their heads up and not get demoralized cuz we need to turn the league around badly.

Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 11:06 am

Chosen one seeing as though you missed the 2nd half… Loads of possession, going nowhere attacks so pedestrian that despite having all the possession we create no clear cut opportunities and debrecen actually feel that confident they go to 2 up front…aquilani still twiddles his thumbs even though lucas has done nothing and mascherano is stopping everything. Substitutions time benayoun coming on will it be lucas, kuyt, aurelio is my guess…no its ngog!! Mccallister is now pulling his nonexistent hair out. 10 minutes of debrecen growing more confident and putting together quality attacks surely aquilani time? No its…dossena for aurelio! Again debrecen attack and actually carve out the most clear cut opportunity of the game which their sub should have buried! Oh and aquilani is used as a time wasting sub for 30 seconds against a terrible team. Rafa always lets the other team into it with his supreme negativity no matter how poor they are!

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 25th, 2009 at 11:23 am

Retryboy we really need to learn how to kill of games aquilani or not. rafas job is to win the game as long as he wins no probs but we really need to not let teams in .

Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 11:42 am

Agree with hartlfc this is the equivalent of a 1st division team we were playing! They ended up scoring as many goals in the tournament as us! You can’t expect to win games 1-0 no matter how in control you look it only takes a deflection. We should have rolled them over like lyon and fiorentina did with more than one creative player in the team from the start we would have done! Rafa will learn nothing lucas/kuyt will start against Everton probably benayoun for aurelio. Making 2 creative players, 1 striker. The very least we could have had aquilani match fit out of this game and a confidence boosting demolition job. Makes it easier for him to keep playing 2 DCM’s if he can keep using aquilani’s match fitness as an excuse.

Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 11:46 am

People that talk about not the liverpool way sacking managers should look at the way rafa plays the game compare it to king Kenny and see how far removed from the liverpool way we are now. Rafa out! Mancini in! Before its too late!!

Angry Ranting Drunk. - November 25th, 2009 at 12:01 pm

I agree with most of the comments on here. If you score after 4 mins against a team like debrecen, you assume that the game will easily be put to bed by half time eg 2-3 nil. But then for some reason, the policy this season seems to be “once we score, stop attacking”.
Compare that to last year (eg vs Aston villa at anfield, real madrid to name a few) and i cant understand the reason for the change in tactics. It almost seems that because of the defences bad form, the licence to attack from last year has been revoked.
Inviting teams to attack you is the worst way to ease the pressure on the defence. the Man city game is a fresh example, dominated till the goal, then sat back and were quickly a goal behind.
It really fecks me off when i see this happen and im pretty sure im not the only one.
And i know i said this before but aquilani cant get match fit by playing 90sec, and its hard to justify spending that much on him using “match fitness” as an excuse when theres no signs of him being given a chance to gain match fitness
FFS Rafa sort your shit out

Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

Babel-15 minutes on the right this season one assist kuyt-18.5 hours on the right one assist this sort of blind favouritism is ruining our club, careers, team spirit. Anybody going on about kuyt’s work rate or defensive ability… He is playing in an attacking position!!

Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

Still to read above post

Winning the game was only part of the job that had to be done …..The fact that even if Fioretina had lost we had to be them by 3 goals or more to go through in the Final match meant if we beat Debrecen by 4 goals or more, even a 2-1 win over Fioretina would be good enough. A fact that was lost on Rafa and the team …… A sterile performace by Liverpool, not helped by a bad team selection ….

How long do we put up with this? …..

For those how still trust in Rafa, even they must addmit at the very least someone needs to sit down and tell him that this is simple not good enough

Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 1:57 pm

Kermit why post anonymously?

kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pm

oh i cleared all temp files off my comp, and it cleared off the saved password and i had already typed and posted before i realised i wasnt logged in

Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm

Ah just i don’t read anon posts but the retro boy caught my eye and knew it was you. Wouldn’t ever want us to lose but can see totally why you say that, if it got rid of rafa would be worth it for the long term well being of the club.

RyanO - November 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

Jaysis, but this is the year it’s been eh? We actually manage to win a game for the first time in a month and it turns out to be completely hollow and over a terribly average team that we were unable to twat. Is crashing out of the CL “rock bottom”? This has always been Rafa’s place to shine, but what now? We’re desperate to finish Top 4, but we need our players back and we need to make a splash in January. I am praying, everyday that January sees us as buyers and not sellers. YNWA

Dirty Sanchez - November 25th, 2009 at 4:21 pm

Having been known to curse every time Lucas started or was subbed in during the last couple of seasons I must admit that he has improved this season. Improved enough that I would not want to see him sold but he’s still no where good enough to be a starting 11 unless when Mascherano is suspended.

Didn’t know what to think of N’Gog at first but he’s clearly improving every time he steps onto the pitch. Between him and Nemeth do we really need to purchase a 20-30M front man to fill in for Torres? I fail to see the need for us to desperately needing a loan deal on Pav or RVR. N’Gog has scored or assisted in almost every game he’s played!

Why not focus on the areas where we’ve had problems. Creative midfield and defense. VDV on loan please in January, maybe play Aquilani?? In defense we have Kelly and Ayala looking very promising – add Kjaer from Palermo and we should be set.

Reds Lewis - November 25th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

RyanO – November 25th, 2009 at 3:10 pm

Jaysis, but this is the year it’s been eh? We actually manage to win a game for the first time in a month and it turns out to be completely hollow and over a terribly average team that we were unable to twat. Is crashing out of the CL “rock bottom”? This has always been Rafa’s place to shine, but what now? We’re desperate to finish Top 4, but we need our players back and we need to make a splash in January. I am praying, everyday that January sees us as buyers and not sellers. YNWA

Ryan – i am perfectly happy for us to be a selling club if it means we sell more players than we gain..

Id be perfectly happy for us to sell 4 players including

1.babel
2.dossena
3.itjande
4.voronin (voronin as prioriy)
5.Spearing
6.El zhar
seriously..what do these guys actually do? apart from babel, i dont think any have made much of a contribution…..(apart from the 2 goals from dossena last season) but between them they have around 26 million pounds worth of lost money?

We should be looking at at least another 5-10m from the owners…giving us a minimum of 31 million.

Yes Ngog and Pacheco are improving but are they capable of standing in as torres replacements always? are they completely good enough yet? answer – no.
we need QUALITY in depth….

even if we had 25 million….(which if u look above is easily possible) we could say…

Elia? 15 million would probs lure him.
lennon? 20 million? might get him for that…thats 2 clas wingers there…we defo need a right winger cos kuyt is pants on the wing. One of those would do fine.

and we also imo need a striker…

if we were to take the cheaper option in Elia and still had 10 million or so left we could invest that in a bid for VDV or an all out striker…by that i do not mean waste 5million on Van nistleroy …hes pony.

anyhow….Rafa needs to go

Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

Nemeth and pacheco are in the Robbie fowler mould. Nemeth partnering torres now would be awesome, pacheco still young but definitely ready to be in the squad. Lots of times when we have injuries 4-4-2 would give us a stronger line up but rafa is too blinkered by his system which just gets more and more defensive. Babel on the right has created the same in 15mins this season than kuyt has in 18.5 hours so play him there!! Ngog can do the lone striker but he needs 2 of benayoun/aquilani/gerrard behind him creating. Only torres can have 1 half chance a game and bury it we can’t expect that of ngog and shouldn’t really expect it of torres its just what he delivers. So having torres/ngog options for lone striker and nemeth/pacheco options to partner would be more than happy with. As long as the balance in midfield changes adding pace and creativity in aquilani, babel and losing the negligible contributions of kuyt and lucas. Don’t see the point in spending £15m on someone to sit on the bench when torres is fit.

Dirty Sanchez - November 25th, 2009 at 7:04 pm

Red Lewis:
Can’t say that I disagree with your choice of 6 players but as Mark G. said earlier we would only stand to gain very little cash by selling them.
Babel – 8M (if we’re lucky)
Dossena – 3M
Itandje – Free
Voronin – 2M
Spearing – 1M
El Zhar – 2M
Total – 15M

Still that money would pay for a young talented winger which we are in dire need of.

Now we’re at it why don’t we buy David Bentley! hahaha

Dirty Sanchez - November 25th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

There’s 3 kind of people – those who can count and those who cannot. Obviously I am of the latter category. That should be 16M total above.

...samlfc.... - November 25th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

evening/afternoon all
Hey i know we are out of the champions league but lets take positives out of negative shall we?

We are a team with a rich history and everyone is jealous because of it now if we win The Europa league we would be the FIRST! team ever to win it which means we would again be creating history

secondly we won a game finally in which N’gog i thought played rather well.

And thirdly we get the chance to destroy Everton in europe or even in the final which would be even better now that would be nice lol

so yes i’m pised off like eveyrone else as our champions league journey is over this season however its not the end of the world we can still win the Europa league,crush everton and go on a winning streak……..hopefully

Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 7:49 pm

Only see this europa league as a distraction to the real business of premier league. Against the weaker teams should definitely use the youngsters.

Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 8:29 pm

Dirty Sanchez – November 25th, 2009 at 7:06 pm

There’s 3 kind of people – those who can count and those who cannot. Obviously I am of the latter category. That should be 16M total above.

LOL ……You fall into the first one then LOL nice one mate, guessing you meant 2 kinds of people

kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 8:41 pm

sam i dont see the europa league as apositive i see it as a way for rtafa to buy time if we win it, look we won trophies, the fa cup and the europa cup although i sincerely doubt on current performances we will win either

kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

david bentley isnt a bad player

...samlfc.... - November 25th, 2009 at 8:53 pm

kermit a trophy is a trophy!! do you want to see us without nothing at the end of the year again!? i much prefer the champions league but the Europa cup can still be some sort of achievement as we have won nothing since 2006
so it is a positive but if you want to carry on being upset that we’re out of the champions league then fine, i’m trying to move on from it and try and find something to happy about.
and you say we won’t win the Fa cup nor the Europa league……..well we are still in it and have just as much of a chance as anyone else i know our squad is weak but so will other teams….i’m just trying to stay positive after this disapointment

I don’t want an argument with you i’m just trying to say that although the Europa league isn’t as good as the champions league
we should still try our hardest to win as like Gerrard said “The best possible way to overcome the champions league exit is to win the Europa cup” (not word for word though)

kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 9:36 pm

and you seriously think we cna beat the likes of valancia villarela or bayern munich playing like that

kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

meh i m too pissed off with the whle situation at the moment to even think about it

kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 9:41 pm

meh the europa cup is a mickey mouse trophy

on the good news hull are thumping everton and the mancs are getting beaten, and porto look the better team against chelsea

Dirty Sanchez - November 25th, 2009 at 10:49 pm

David Bentley wants to be David Beckham and has the hairstyle of Ronaldo. I’d rather have Babel start every game than Bentley in our squad.