Liverpool Boss Gets Dreaded Vote of Confidence: Stand By Your Man?
by YNWA on November 25th, 2009 465 words | 120 commentsWe should have expected as much.
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Liverpool chief executive Christian Purslow has insisted manager Rafael Benitez’s position is safe, despite the club’s early Champions League exit.
Liverpool failed to make it past the group stages for the first time in six years, despite a 1-0 win over Debrecen.
But Purslow said Benitez would remain and added: “He is under no threat.
“I’m on the record as saying Rafa’s signed a new five-year contract – he’s four months into that contract so to discuss that is not appropriate.”
Liverpool’s slender hopes of qualifying for the knockout stages were dashed by Fiorentina’s 1-0 victory over Lyon.Despite their own 1-0 win in Hungary, the Reds can finish no higher than third in Group E, behind Fiorentina and Lyon, with one round of matches still to go.
Failure to progress from the group stages left Benitez ruing the late goals conceded against Lyon.
The Reds were beaten 2-1 by the French champions at Anfield before drawing 1-1 at the Stade Gerland.
“It was our own fault in the end, the late goals we have conceded along the way have cost us,” conceded Benitez. (BBC Sport)
So last night we were delivered the Champions League death knell that we were all dreading and now as expected the board has come out, well Mr. Purslow at least, to show their support for Rafa but lets face it we knew they would come out and say as much and I am not sure Benitez is any nearer to the exit than he has been for some time.
I don’t personally want him to leave, mainly because I don’t think that a new boss will be able to do much more with what we have to work with. We could argue all day about the talent in the squad and the fact that Rafa is the man who populated the squad in the first place, but we are where we are and its not a nice place to be in.
Jamie Carragher and Steven Gerrard want us to knuckle down and get excited about the Europa League and that is probably the best thing we can do. We are out of the Champions League and when you think back to when the groups were drawn we all thought we had a fairly easy route to the knock out stages but lapses of concentration against Lyon and a thoroughly poor performance in Florence has led us to this very point.
What now? Merseyside derby time, and perhaps there isn’t a better time for such a powder keg affair and I for one hope the lads can get their heads back up off the floor because we as fans deserve something to be happy about.
YNWA
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anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Shawn
i knew he wouldnt get sacked dont get it, what will it take
look at the team no creativity no attacking bad defence which pretty some shows we are a bad team with a few really good players the rest wouldnt if get into that wigan that conceded 9
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
WHY ARE LIVERPOOL SO WRAPPED UP IN BENTIZES BULLSH1T , THE MANAGMENT ARE ALSO STARTING TO BELIEVE HIS NONSENSE ,
PULL THE PLUG ON HIS CONTRACT AND A FEW OTHER PLAYERS OK A LOT OF OTHER PLAYERS ,
START OF BY GETTING A GOOD COACH , GUUS SHOULD BE ON TOP OF THE LIST WITH MOURHINO 2ND .
THEY CAN START TO BUILD A DECENT TEAM,
GERRARD & TORRES NOW ALL WE NEED IS 16 MORE
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
PLEASE SELL LUCAS , PLEASE ,PLEASE PREETTY PLEASE
SINCE HE HAS STARTED EVERY GAME WE ARE LOOKING VERY CRAP
AND SCREW ALL YOU OTHER THICK POOL FANS THAT SAY ”HIS GETTING BETTER ” YIP GETTING BETTER AT HELPING US GET RELEGATED ,
HE IS THE REASON WE ARE IN THIS POSITION,
AND DONT LET THE IDEA OF ” HE MAKES THE BRAZIL SQUAD”
DUNGA IS TOO SCARED TO TAKE CHANCES OF THE TWO QUALITY PLAYERS PLAYING IN BRAZIL ,
PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF THE MILLIONS OF FANS THAT SUPPORT THE CLUB BY BUYING MERCHANDISE , WATCH ALL THE GAMES ,
MANY OF US DISLIKE HIM AND THINK HE’S UTTER CRAP
SEE IF PORTHSMITH WILL EVEN TAKE HIM ON A FREE
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Dream on, dream on, the beggars can not be choosers. No money, no honey. Under Hicks an Gillette we became a second ranked club and we will stay there unless some capital is found internally or new owner comes in (to get a new CB and CM and LB) , or the youngsters miraculously and quickly turn into new Fowlers, Owens, Gerrards etc. Lay off the Manager, he is the smallest of our problems.
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
The yanks don’t really speak to each other so they can’t manage a club when they are like that, yes we need the Yanks out but seriously need to look at Rafa too… He can’t use the Injuries as excuses cos some of his selections have been unbelievable!! Picking Voronin and Ngog ahead of Babel, yes babel can have some shocking games but he can also turn a game with one touch. Playing Lucas and Masch in the middle clearly doesnt work but hes so stubborn he wont change it, playing Kuyt as a winger doesnt work but again he wont change it, same with Aurelio, both of them aren’t wingers who can get down the line and put a good ball in the box. As for the Aquilani situation how Rafa expects him to get match fit without giving him any matches to play in is a joke, and last night summed it up.. Brings him on for 30secs, he’s more likely to get injured doing that!!
Yanks out, and if Rafa doesnt admit he’s made a few mistake he’s got to go… There’s good managers out there, Manchini is one of them and wants to come to England.. Rafa’s had 5yrs and yes won the champs league but it wasnt his team that won it!
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Purslow said before rafa will be judged on the domestic league not europe he is reiterating that. Take a look at the table Purslow!! Take a look at the performances so far!! Take a look at the talent at rafa’s disposal even with the injuries and the fact we could have won every game with the players available. There is one problem at liverpool and it isn’t american its spanish!! Any decent manager could do more with this squad and if we keep rafa much longer we better get used to that 2nd rate europa league!! How is this progress? Get him out, Mancini in!!
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
if benitez leaves liverpool will be in a lot more problems as u know we are not a mentally strong team as seen when alonso left with all the media talk gettin to the club, imagine what will happen if benitez left do u think mourinho will do better under the financial ristrictions liverpool have… i dont think so. lets pray we get new owners then you u can blame benitez if he fails to perform.
Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
If you kistened to what was said he just stated that Now is not the time to talk about Rafa’s Future
Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Typo…..If you listened to what was said he just stated that Now is not the time to talk about Rafa’s Future
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
It all goes on the public support the ‘in rafa we trust’ brigade still stuck in istanbul will keep him in a job, quality players like mascherano, babel and nemeth will leave and we will miss top four, continue to play the worst style of negative football possible. As the commentators said last night if we drop out of that top four when will we get back there? Its a vicious circle…you can’t attract top players with no champions league, can’t keep the top players we have with no champions league and we lose a massive income. Waiting till the end of the season isn’t good enough he has to go now.
kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
good then he will be gone at the end of the season with capello replacing him, knowing this i am happy again now
anfd to the dope thatwrote the article , capello or hiddink or my grandmother could do more wiht the talent we have available to us
andymorris - November 25th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
I’m personally with YNWA on this. We should keep Benitez as manager but there are clearly things going on in the background that we don’t know about.
People will inevitably point the finger at the fact that Alonso left for Real Madrid, but how much defensive work did Xabi actually do? Not all that much. He’d make the odd tackle but if this would mainly Mascherano’s job, who would then pass to Alonso who would then make a killer pass to anyone he wanted.
Anonymous 11.09 is entitled to their opinion but I have to say that their opinion is wrong. Not only has Lucas been getting better, is actually been one of very few positives in our shite season so far. Masch wasn’t playing well at the start of the season and Lucas was actually covering him.
When you look at that and then our defense, there are multiple culprites for opening the flood gates to the goals. I think Carra has been the most surprising and is having his worst season to date. Even worse than when he scored those two own goals against Man Utd. I think Carra playing bad is more of a reason that Lucas getting more games especially given that only Reina and Kuyt have played more minutes than Jamie, who has been booked in a third of the games he has played in this season.
Aside from this, there is a team of players on the pitch and when they win, they win together and when they lose, they lose together. At the end of the day, every single member of the first team staff with the Liver bird on their chest has to take responsibility for the way we have performed this season.
jimmyk - November 25th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
bloody well said andymorris
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Why oh why are you all idiots ok we are having a bad season things have gone against us like injuries and beach balls to name a few i agree we can be negative at times but last season we were on fire you cant deny it i think we need ss and rm that’s it they must be quality players no good going for bargain basement so if raffa hasn’t got the money for top players why bring in ok players it’s just not worth it.
Now before you all start being negative lets look at that the squad the best forward in the world no dought, the best midfielder in the world possibly 1 of the strongest defences around last season and the previous seasons losing sami hasn’t turned them into leaky cowards just having a bit of a bad run and adding Johnston shows that raffa wants a more attacking aspect from defenders so raffa says attack we will lose goals .
Babel’s attitude stinks you can see it in his face when he’s on the bench and you can see it in his play with head down running nowhere fast.
Kuyt needs to seriously improve he is having a nightmare lately Masch started the season dreaming of Barca but is starting to come to terms with another season in the EPL but think he will be gone in the summer. Lucas has improved and if he could add a few goal’s to his game would be a very good player you know what we get from yossi skill trickery and plenty of goals riera is a fine backup on the left unlucky with injuries this season.
Ngog is becoming a great little bargain holding up the ball scoring a few goals and would win a gold in the Olympics for diving and with nemeth still to get a foothold in the first team he is deffinatly going to come back stronger and more determined to win his place.
So as I said rm and ss are what we need the young lads are quality when their ready we will have a strong team.
So lay off Raffa you so called fans 1 bad season is not enough to get sacked for we all know the problem is with the yanks!!!!!!!!
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
HIDDINK
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Andy-Carragher has had 2 bad games this season at centre back and none paired with agger. When he is played with skrtel he is moved from right centre back where he has always played to left. Carragher had 2 bad games and took full responsibility for that even though benitez was trying some crazy wing back experiment at the same time. Rafa has had 15 bad games this season and takes no responsibility for anything. Totally wrong about mascherano and lucas too. Lucas has had 3/4 good performances even then he hasn’t contributed nothing apart from being neat its about balance of the team and its always either 80/20 defensive/offensive or 70/30 with rafa every other team is 50/50 not lucas’s fault taking him out for aquilani makes it 60/40 babel for kuyt as well makes it 50/50 where we should be. Attack is the best form of defence is a true saying because if the other teams defending us they aren’t attacking.
Anfield Faithful - November 25th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Heard his post match comments last night that this is not the lowest point of my anfield career. Brilliant really brilliant maybe he hopes to relegate us to say that. What low it would take our club to reach so that benitez is sacked is the point i fail to understand. I didn’t had with much expectations in yesterday’s match but still i m gutted. What performance no coordination no flair no flexibility in midfield and icing on the cake aqua on after 92 min. Stevie says we have to get excited about europa league, well keep benitez and we have to get excited about it from the start of next season. And to purslow keane can be sold in 5 months of a 5 yr co ntract but u will keep rafa.
Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Let’s paint a little picture ……It’s two weeks before the end of the season ……Chelsea has been hit by injuries and are 7 points off the leaders (Man Utd) who by the way are in the Champions League Final …. It an Arsenal/Chelsea FA cup Final, and we have been Knocked out for the Europa League and sit 8 point outside of a Europa League spot…… Just how many of you out there would still be saying “In Rafa We Trust”???…… My bet is not many……. Think it can’t happen this season???
Everton and Blackburn Away, then Arsenal at home Three really though games
Wigan Athletic, Portsmouth, Wolves, before two more though games Aston Villa, and Tottenham followed by Stoke, Wolves and Bolton before playing Everton, Arsenal, Man City and Blackburn again….. The fixtures don’t do us any favours add to that any Europa League matches and FA Cup matches in between….. Well
Anfield Faithful - November 25th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
By much expectations i meant our qualification
Anfield Faithful - November 25th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
By much expectations i meant our qualification to knockout stages
Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
HOW LONG HAVE MOST OF US HERE BEEN SAYING THAT WE NEED A SECOND QUALITY STRIKER????…. What does your beloved, know it all manager do about it? ….. Buy’s Aquilani…. (Good or Bad) then doesn’t play him ….. And this is the Yanks fualt???….. Pleaseeeeeee
RyanO - November 25th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
2 Finals in 5 Seasons when compared to 1 early exit, advantage Benitez. Look, I’m not part of the Rafa Brigade, I won’t throw myself in front of the masses to protect his name, but. I still think Rafa is a great Gaffe r, I just cannot figure out what he is playing at this season? I have to believe his team selection is part of a campaign to show management that he is in desperate need of funding. I cannot figure out the Aquilani situation at all, the past two matches have screamed for him, yet he’s been relegated to the bench. Rafa is getting what he can from players that should be on the bench, but there is no bench. Furthermore, we’ve lacked THREE World Class players that should be on the pitch, for the majority of the season. The gap in class between these men and the men that would replace them is tremendous, you simply cannot expect the results. The difference between Liverpool and United or Chelsea is that when they lose World Class, they have more waiting in the wings, we don’t have it, we won’t have it. We’ve got to get used to the workman like efforts of technically limited personnel until such time as the Gaffer is allowed to make purchases. Of course, the other side of the coin says that he’s already wasted millions and has only Torres to show for his effort.
Anfield Faithful - November 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Yeah playing babel on left when he can rip defenses on right.. Yanks fault
our best game of the season against united yossi played in the hole, not played there since.. Yanks fault
bring aqua after 92 min due to supposedly lack of match fitness after a month of training.. yanks fault
harping on about barry and let go of midfield’s heart.. Yanks fault
sitting back on and on until city gets ahead then make a move and that too bring on aurelio.. Yanks fault
umpteen goals conceeded through setpieces due to rubbish zonal marking and not putting a man on post yanks fault
RyanO - November 25th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Let’s all take a moment to remember that there is a MERSEYSIDE DERBY on Saturday! Time to get behind the lads!!!
COME ON THE REDS!!!
Anfield Faithful - November 25th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Ryan o we have always been behind the lads, still are and will be for life. Its just that these lads future is in serious jeopardy under rafa
Anfield Faithful - November 25th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
And i hope some sense prevails and both yossi or aqua may play in the hole behind ngog both of them must start that game
kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
we ad a second striker his name was robbie keane,
and what we mostly from alonso was his authority in midfield, alonso didnt play that many killer balls , what he did do was control the tempo of games, and spread the play left and right quickly
kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
man utd dont have many world class players anymore
they have rooney
and they have berbatov
scholes and gigs are almost geriatrics, anderson and carrick are mediocre, hargreaves is pretty useful but never fit, vidic and rio(when not wearing pink hot pants) are two quality centre backs
evra maybe is world class, but utd have klost two big matchwinner in ronaldo and tevez. i dont see why teams havent sussed out that they aren t that great anymore
and to ryano
no one knows what benitez is up to this year, i fully expect reina to start up front at everton at this rate
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Title of the piece gives me hope… Stand by your man…well tammy wynettes next song was famously…D.I.V.O.R.C.E!!
kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
how shit do we need to become before benitez is sacked , it is ludicrous, if anyone fails so spectacularly in any wlak of life they are sacked.
2 wins in eleven( and one of these wins we were clinging on against a tema with an anual budget of 1.5 million. Actually we were lucky to beat them at home also. if the players can pull out big perfroe4mances and beta man utd quite convincingly it does show the talent is there just the heart and desire is not there week in week out and that is a serious problem
kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
hiddink in by christmas , come on real madrid stick in your bid for rafa now
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Agrees with Anfield faithful spot on!
kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
and i can just see aqulani getting his leg broken in his first full match for us, that would be typical
kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
i dont think the merseyside derby is the game to start aquilani in, this is a game for two def midfielder to biting tacklers like lucas and masch, but we could have a greater atacking threat in front of them, with aquilani in the hole gerrard right and yossi left
kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
the derby is agame where you need to win the battle in midfield before you can express yourself fully, so for this game i would have both masch and lucas playing and i wouldnt start aquaman, i d start gerrard in the hole, with if he is fit babel on the right and yossi on the left
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Calvo…
kermit, I dont understand why u are bringing up Utd and whats going on there!
So what if you think that Utd only have Rooney as a world class player…who as a Lpool supporter really cares.
The BIG problem is that Liverpool have not moved forward and saying that the Europa Lge is a good thing is really hoodwinking and NOT fooling anyone!
You dont spend what Rafa has spent and you certainly dont accumilate the types of players that Rafa has and say that the Europa Lge is a good thing!!!
Unless your expectations of Torres or Babel or Mascherano is that they are only good enuff for the Europa Lge??
Fine Utd arent a great team, so what are Liverpool?
In the short space of time that Harry has been at Spurs he is alot further forward than Rafa has been in 5 years!!!!
Im not saying that Rafa should or should not be sacked thats for the board to sort out who by the way have given him money to spend and on current form would be wise not to give him anymore.
But ultimately the buck stops with Rafa and the sooner he owns up to that the better i think he and Liverpool will be!!!!!!
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Our problem is that Rafa hasn’t the guts to give it a go for a win. He is obsessed by covering our own goal. When we played Lyon we had to win. What did Rafa do….played it safely with 1 striker and little support to him, hoping for a lucky punch. Rafa seems to have reinvented catenaccio! He might be brilliant at prematch settings, picking the XI……but when the game is ongoing he never acts or reacts to bad play or misfitting players. All he does is making the usual substitution at 60 mins…..then the next at 75 mins. Never gambling for a win, even if we are trailing by 2 goals. This is in my opinion the reason why we played so many draws against mediocre teams last season…….He never really goes for a win. I’d say rather die trying than not try at all!!!
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
No way kermit does any other side play 2 holding midfielders? Ever? You never need 2 especially when 1 is mascherano!! If aquilani can’t start which he could have done if rafa had brought his match fitness along and still should. have mascherano, gerrard, benayoun or even go 4-4-2 with mascherano/gerrard in the middle benayoun left, babel right and kuyt/ngog up front. Ngog can’t play up front on his own against decent teams not many people can and definitely not with no creativity behind him. Whatever happens should not be playing 2 holding midfielders!
Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Retryboy – November 25th, 2009 at 4:14 pm ….. wasn’t sure but looked it up…. How very true LOL Nice one Retryboy, nice one
kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
retro is there even any point in asking rafa to play a four four two
he is immune to playing two strikers
and i would have masch and lucas in there against everton, the match is gonna be high tempo even for the premiership. to expect aquaman to cope with the frantic pace of a derby for his first full game would be a huge ask, esp as he is italian and has come form a much slower pace of football.
the premiership is fast but derbies are even faster, we could however bring him a little later in the game, say sixty mins.
i hate rafa giving subs ten mins to work with, even subs should get at least twenty five mins, as it takes five or so mins to even get into the game
kermit - November 25th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
i see guus hiddink is hinting at liking a techincal directors role in a club
see football 365
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Was my quizzing that got me there donovan lol not the music taste, have to add that, still sad i know but not quite the same level!
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Casper
kermit – November 25th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
“he is italian and has come from a much slower pace of football” then he just fit into our squad, coz as far as I remember we were run over by an italian side a month ago!
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
We need to get Hiddink now before he goes and becomes director of football at Chelsea, he will probably retire in 2-3 years and then we can get a young manager like Zola, Blanc or maybe Guardiola!!!
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Mancini is the man! William hill have us odds on to finish out of the top four and bookies are rarely wrong because they look at things objectively. Rafa out bet those odds change overnight new manager gives the club a lift, fresh start for the mistreated, unfavoured players.
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Retry/Donavan
Should we sack Rafa ?
Sell our four world class players
Pay our debt off
Get rid of the owners
Let the fans run the club
Play the kids if we dont qualify for champs league by a certain date and bring nemeth back.
Trim the squad back because it is way to big that will save money to spend for the future.
What do you think ?
Regards
pete
Warren Bloggs - November 25th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
As everyone already knows i have always liked Rafa as Liverpool fc manager but now i fear he may have lost the dressing room…..
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Kop King
I must state that I am very respectful of Rafa and know that he has done many great things at Liverpool for which we should all be very grateful of but tactically he seems to have become all too predictable and I can no longer tolerate watching players like Dirk Gout in action.
Sincere thanks to Rafa but time for a new gaffer.
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Pete… Sack rafa yes 100%, sell the rubbish not the world class. Dossena(5m) voronin(3m) kyrgiakos(2m) degen(2m) itandje(1m)
Kuyt(6m)
Plessis(2m)
Total-21m go back to 4-4-2 without even spending the money Gk-reina RB-johnson LB-aurelio CB-carragher CB-agger CM-mascherano CM-gerrard LM-benayoun CF-nemeth CF-torres RM-babel
Back up team Gk-cavalieri/martin/gulacsi RB-darby/kelly LB-insua/mavinga CB-kelly/ayala/san jose CB-skrtel CM-lucas/spearing CM-aquilani LM-riera CF-ngog/Eccleston CF-pacheco RM-el zhar/amoo
Would have 21m plus lose 7 wages saving about 17m in wages each year too with £30m to strengthen the squad that hasn’t really been weakened the owners can use their money to get shot of rafa and get Mancini in rather than giving rafa any. Hopefully he would get madrid job then we could swap alonso back for lucas, rafa loves him so much sure he would go for it!!
Anfield Faithful - November 25th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
My first choice of manager would obviously be hiddink although read today that he is intrested in technical director’s job and if he has a choice of clubs then he would take chelsea coz of abramovich
how about frank rijkaard or marco van basten??
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
South African Kopite
So what? Is this the moment that our board has signed our own death certificate? If Rafa stays Liverpool is going down, it’s as simple as that. He has made enough excuses, we have all had enough. Where are we gonna end up in 5years? Is Liverpool going to become the next Leeds?? Get him out now before we have a serious problem on our hands(okay it is pretty serious as it is, we aren’t even gonna qualify for Champions League)… Im talking about Torres being lured away from Anfield. A player of his stature won’t take long to realise that our manager isn’t gonna bring him any glory
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
South African Kopite
Hiddink is also my first choice, what a waste he will be at Chelsea. But if not him bring in Mancini, quality manager
Anfield Faithful - November 25th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Hey retry great point there mate but can’t see it coming under rafa he’d never play 4-4-2 i seriously doubt that he will sell anybody except dossena in jan can’t see parting away his beloved duo of voronin nd kuyt
...samlfc.... - November 25th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
I personally blame both Rafa and the Yanks on Liverpools downward spiral atm.
Rafa made parry get sacked because of his awful transfers however Rafa has done just as bad himself Rafa spent 20 mill on an injured player who then becomes fit again and doesn’t play him when he looks like he can play…..what the hell!? don’t be surprised if you see Rafa sell Aquilani in jan. Rafa needs to realise that defensive play doesn’t win you games!! and that you need an attacking midfielder to create play/chances.. Lucas is improving i’ll agree on that but two defensive midfielders isn’t helping us get the goals! its causing us to try pass our way into the box using sideway passing all the time when we should look to for spaces/players but further up field….something we now miss because of Alonsos departure. Rafa also needs to stop subbing off players who play well that to me is the most frustrating thing about rafa to me and it makes my blood boil.
The Yanks doesn’t help by making our beloved club turn into a laughing stock by not giving us funds for players causig us to go down the drain.
I don’t hate Rafa nor do i like him i’m just stating the facts and showing people why its his and the Americans fault Liverpool is like this.
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Anfield faithful-Hopefully it won’t be rafa’s decision to make soon- nothing but respect for him and would go down as a great servant to the club who took us further. Thought he had lost the dressing room a while ago and when you read between the lines of what gerrard says especially about missing alonso and it being hard seeing owen in a united shirt of course none of the players will come out and say what they think whilst he is there. Except babel who has been pushed to the point he doesn’t see a future under rafa no matter what. Would want a manager for the long term project and playing our sort of football as everyone knows Mancini is my first choice van basten is also a very good shout and would be number 2 choice for me. Think o’neill has his project at villa and a good relationship with the chairman. Not sure Hiddink would be in it for the long haul think we are better off going for a younger manager.
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Glad the calls for the so called special one have quietened down too.
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Rafa’s latest statement if he could change anything in the european run it would have been… To have gerrard and torres fit! Accepting absolutely 0% responsibility as the manager he couldn’t have done 1 single thing different. This is why he never learns, no responsibility or doubt in his decisions.
Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Good Evening Anfield Faithful, South African Kopite,Warren Bloggs,Kop King,Casper,RYANO,Kermit,Calvo,(Long time no hear from, how’s things mate?) Retryboy and of course Pete….
Pete- November 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pm…..
(1)Should we sack Rafa? Yes…. It’s not just this bad run that we are having; it happens to ever team, it’s all the other thing’s…. The way he seems to go off players for no really reason, Peter Crouch, Albert Riera, His Negative style of play, his inability to lean from past mistakes. His poor man Management skills, His inability to know how to change a game, or make the right subs, His tactics, his failure to trust in the Youngsters, or to get rid of players that are not good enough, his wasting of the clubs money, His failure to recognize that we needed a quality striker, the fact that he never put his hands up and says “I made a Mistake”…. etc, etc I could go on and on
(2)Sell our four world class players….. No you do every time possible to hold on to them … But the longer that we go on without winning trophies it’s more of a chance of losing these players…..
Pay our debt off
(3)Get rid of the owners…… I think Gillett is the problem. Said this from day one….. Gillett as only ever seen Liverpool Fc as a way to make a quick buck
(4)Let the fans run the club….. As great as this sound …..No. Were would the investment come from? And if you think that Gillett and hick can’t agree on which way to take the club, times that by a 1000, or how many fans that it would take to buy the Yanks out
(4)Play the kids if we don’t qualify for champ’s league by a certain date and bring nemeth back. If we are out of the Champions League and the Europa League too and there is no chance of slipping into the bottom 3, then why not
(5)Trim the squad back because it is way too big that will save money to spend for the future. Something that many here have been Advocating for a long while now, Even the club, it was reported is asking Rafa to do the same thing
Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Warren Bloggs – November 25th, 2009 at 6:43 pm …. From some of the things that Rayn Babel has said you maybe right….
...samlfc.... - November 25th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Thanks for missing me off your list Donavan LOL i have done a comment on hear to you know
haha
and Donovan you are definately right about Gillett although Hicks is also an ass he actually cares about liverpool and is trying to move them forward but Gillett can’t be assed
Danski_LFC9 - November 25th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
haha like the comment about trading Lucas for Alonso if he goes to Real.. can you imagine how pissed off Alonso would be if Rafa did go to Madrid!… i think the yanks know we need to buy in January so will hopefully release some funds from alonso and arbeloa sales, transfer budget etc… hopefully Rafa goes in January and a new manager is given the money and some!
Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Retryboy – November 25th, 2009 at 7:46 pm ……”Glad the calls for the so called special one have quietened down too.” ……. HEY…. I’m still calling for him ….
Sorry Good Evening …samlfc…. Great Pic By the way Have to say I love you bird LOL
Donavan Ried - November 25th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Danski_LFC9 – November 25th, 2009 at 8:36 pm …. Sorry Danski I would not give him a peeny, let him use the reserves and Aquilani …..
Yeah Alonso would be pissed alright
...samlfc.... - November 25th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Haha Yes Donavan God bless the liverbird!! maybe the liverbird could replace Voronin upfront LOL
Retryboy - November 25th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Evening all…mourinho is still favourite donovan can’t stand the bloke personally, Mancini in 3rd am working on those odds with my campaign though lol at least opinion is looking towards replacing benitez now..well 50/50 but its getting there still can’t see it happening until its too late for top four hope i am wrong.
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
It seems to me like most of you on here want Benitez to fail just so as you can all say “I told you so”. The way I see it is it is near impossible to want a team to do well when being so negative about the manager. If Benitez does stay for the foreseeable future you lot are going to have a really shit time with your negativity. No wonder the team is playing so badly if this is how their supporters are. Mind you. Reading some of the posts on here I really don’t think that this site represents a true cross section of Reds fans. More like attention seeking monkeys.
Sid.
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
retardboy, shut your face
anonymous - November 25th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Can someone please tell me why my comment is still awaiting moderation. Are people not allowed an opinion on this forum. I’m surprised considering some of the posts that the mods put up.
Dirty Sanchez - November 25th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
anonymous – November 25th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Andriy, didn’t know you posted comments on here as well?
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 12:50 am
simple…. fuck off rafa u cunt
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 12:51 am
rafa is manure fan full stop . fuck off rafa
Donavan Ried - November 26th, 2009 at 2:12 am
…samlfc…. – November 25th, 2009 at 8:55 pm …..LOL…. If only Sam, If only
Donavan Ried - November 26th, 2009 at 2:15 am
Welcome to the site Sid, would you like a Banana?
Donavan Ried - November 26th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Great, Welll done ….. Sid Posts ……..”More like attention seeking monkeys.” ….
So I ask if he wants a Banana, and mine is a waiting Moderation Well done that man
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 3:49 am
Reds Lewis (CBA to log in lol)
Imagine if Chelsea where in our position now….just been knocked out of champs league….7th in the league…not enough cover for 1st team players….
Do you think that their coach would be kept? fucking hell no….
Rafa has fucked up, hes got to acknowledge that and either shift his arse into gear and win the next 10 games or so in a row, (e.g no shitty draws)..starting against everton.
N i dont give a shit what purslow says..just you watch … come christmas time if weve lost against everton and the next match, and we sit something like 16 points off the top..rafa will be gone
bindipper - November 26th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Oh Dear well you’ve finally ended up just where you belong. Skanking around the Europa League. And there’s no guarantee you won’ t get chucked out on your ear there too. It must feel pretty bad. Down and out. Crashed and burned. Nothing but ‘history’ left. There’s no hope for you now. Actually I have a feeling it’s going to get worse. Get comfortable with idea of being a mid table team. You used to be just a cup team but Christ you’re not even that anymore. You’re a laughing stock. Hahahahahahahahaaaa!
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 7:45 am
LFC hav to win all there games until now and after christmas to gain some credability with the fans.
If we dont then i’m afraid rafa will be gone.
We have everton this weekend i reckon this wil be a draw or a loss
By xmas wewill be out of the top 6
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Dave in Ireland here . We are a mid table team in every sense of the word . 13 points from the top and 13 from bottom , we have as much chance of catching Chelsea as Portsmouth have of catching us . We are following down the Leeds and Newcastle route with owners who do not give a hoot about Liverpool . Not going to rant about Rafa , the results speak volumes
Retryboy - November 26th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Its becoming clearer what will happen in january now…rafa will have to sell to buy the owners won’t be releasing the £20m budget till end of season. Van nistlerooy looks like he is going to come. Babel is being pulled in to explain his comments which by the way were made to dutch magazine voetbal international who posted the interview to their website and the editor has confirmed the sun lifted their quotes from, can only guess as well that the interview was done during the international break then and after he had scored against lyon and again been left out inexcusably at birmingham and not on the day of a champions league game or to the gutter rag they were reported in which just leaves the actual comments which don’t think many can disagree with.
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 11:15 am
if u sack benitez he gets 20mill compo, you get get a new manager no money 2 spend cuz u sacked benitez, u fail 2 make champ league cuz u didn’t buy any improvements, gerreard and torres go cuz u can’t afford 2 keep them, then the next year wot do u have, an average team, u need 2 look at this from all angles
Donavan Ried - November 26th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
“if u sack benitez he gets 20mill compo, you get get a new manager no money 2 spend cuz u sacked benitez,”……With Torres still injuried,Gerrard out for 6 weeks, he starts playing the players where they should play.Kuyt up front,Babel on the right, Riera on the left.Benayoun in the hole behind Kuyt,Alberto Aquilani Midfield along side,Mascherano. The players respone and re-double there effort. We make the Champions League.He gets rid of the deadwood,so we have more money to spend.He buys the second quality striker we need,He does not need to rush out and buy anymore players because he is bringing the Young Reds through,Gerrard and Torres signs new deals because they can now see that LFC are moving in the right direction under this manager.”Then the next year what do you have, a team capable of making a serious and sustained challenge on all fronts……. “u need 2 look at this from all angles”
Retryboy - November 26th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Think the fact that our exit from the champions league has only meant the owners calling for rafa to sell before he buys(with an unnecessarily huge squad that needed to be done anyway) and they have still said the transfer budget is £20m in the summer. Shows the good work they have been doing behind the scenes and that we are stronger financially than widely reported. Hicks i can’t see has put a foot wrong, gillett totally different and can’t wait to see the back of can’t see what people expect out of the owners really. They have supported, given rafa total control at all levels, put no pressure on him despite performances, worked hard on bridging the massive gap in income maybe its time people see the club is being run well behind the scenes its onfield that there is a problem.
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
who r liverpool gonna get better woz all i was saying, your point is fair we all have opinions u have yours i have mine, i was just thinking chairman know as much bout football as i do bout baseball. I respect that u responded with an opinion
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
who wood u prefer benitez or a drunk dyxpraxic
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
liverpool have gone backwards,the manager has lost the team,fans and his mind.
why is lucas and kuyt playing regular week in week out they are rubbish with bad passing ,crossing,ball controll, and constantly giving the ball away,give babel run in the team and see what he can do he has never had a run of more than 5 games???and play aquillani
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I have a comment on “anonymous – November 25th, 2009 at 9:26 pm”
Nobody would like to see LFC fail. There is a huge diffence between blindless supporting the present manager, and supporting and wanting whats best for LFC.
If you can’t criticize the manager, even though he obviously don’t learn from his mistakes, then you have to support the owners as well. They are like it or not also representatives of the club.
If you support the manager, then you have to support his decisions as well.
Buying centerbacks when we need attacking players.
Buying players who are ridicously injury prone (Aquillani, Aurelio, Degan (maybe Agger as well))
Not giving players a fair chance.
Not starting players who obviously are in good form.
Not substituting when we look bad.
Not taking responsebility for anything.
Casper
kermit - November 26th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
casper has clocked aqll of benitez s faults, however we do need a centre back as much if not more than we need a striker. we have conceded more goals than portsmouth
aerially we always look vulnerable, esp from set pieces, we need a commanding centre back in the hyppia mould more than we need anything else in my opinion, good teams are built on a solid base, ie defense goalkeepers and def midfielders
these guys need to be doing their job just as much as the creative players.
skrtel does not excell in the air , agger is our best option , agger does t score from corners though, ooops theres another threat, lets mark torres from the corner cos no one else can score from them. a big mad commanding goalscoring centre back and our defense would be in order, lots of cries for a left back, but insua is adequate without being a world beater and i feel that dossena could be great for us at left back if given a decent oppurtunity.
donovan i hopew you weren t expecting rafa to go to a four four two, and the failing with kuyt up front and yossi in the hole is that kuyt has proven time and time again he can t play the lone striker role.
we could have robbie keane and kuyt up front in 4 4 2 now but no
i d go wit ngog and kuyt up front together
masch and aquilani in the middle
riera/yossi left
yossi/babel right
then i d send torres for his surgery so thta he is properly okay in jan/feb, and i d send gerrard to get himself fixed also,
van nistelroy and kuyt up front as soon as the window opens
Retryboy - November 26th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Right about kuyt not working as a lone striker kermit. Agree too we need to let torres have his op should have been done a month ago. Only one partner i would like to see for torres or van nistlerooy though that would be nemeth!! We need to get him back and we have that option then especially when we have injuries. Personally think we should cash in on kuyt while he has resale value, approaching 30 babel is better on the right. Torres, nemeth, ngog, pacheco and probably soon van nistlerooy better up front. Torres and nemeth would be an awesome partnership.
kermit - November 26th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
i have only seen nemeth play in pre season but he did look pretty good and pretty sharp around the box
getting 12 to fifteen millon for kuyt now would be a good deal, he isnt spectacular , isnt the lifeblood of the team and there are many players that could do a better job on the right or up front. i was all for signing kuyt from feyenoord at the time , but i expected he would play up front, where he had a good goals to games ratio
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
good fuck
y is aquilliani only playing in stoppage time?
kermit - November 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
kuyt isn t playign well at the moment, but i think that is primarily down to him being knackered after two seasons of playing almost every game, he has run himself into the floor , and needs a break , if not i guarantee he ll be injured in the next few weeks when his body forces him to take a break, he needs a few games on the bench to recouperate , and then to be played when he is fresh again, riera and yossi are both fit, theres no need for kuyt to start every game.
i d rather keep dirk as a second striker.he does his real damage when he plays close to torres
torres and kuyt up front together is the best option we have
kermit - November 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
ruud and kuyt up front together
would work also, ruud gets goals, thats a fact, and i think if he was playing as a striker kuyt would get twenty a season also
kermit - November 26th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
just read jay spearings interview about how clever aquilani s passing is in training and i am not doubting this, i am mainly wondering when he will get a game , as i dont expect him to play on saturday.
kermit - November 26th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
i really dont know anon 5 17
against city gerrard was played even though he hadn t trained for ten days, yet aquilani who has trained for a month was not playing
that made no sense to me
sure you want gerrard back playing, but half fit , whats the point
would have been better to give aquilani the first sixty mins and then bring gerrard on for half an hour
kermit - November 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
i would have liked us to sign arda turan two seasons ago, even now he would be a good buy, i am for buying club captains, it says a lot aboput a players character and moreso desire if they are club captian
torres gerrard van der vaart defour turan mascherano
thats six captains in your team, six leaders on the field
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
bring in martin oneill
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
we have 6 world class players reina,johnson,mascherano,aquilani,gerrard and torres
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
to kermit:
you are right on about kuyt, he needs rest, remind me of my other pet peeve, the selfish use of our players, by national coaches, did kuyt really had to travel to australia for a friendly, when he was clearly exhausted, not to mention playing gerrard and torres when not fully fit!
mark g.
Retryboy - November 26th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Lmao clearly not lost your rafa tinted specs on holiday then mark! Rafa played him for 90 mins in the carling cup against arsenal and in every game despite him being terrible and babel deserving a shot. How many setbacks have stevie g and torres have because rafa played them when they weren’t fit? Why hasn’t torres gone in for an op when the recovery time was 1/2 months he hasn’t played for a month now! England didn’t even play gerrard injured he just wanted to stay with the squad and sat watching the 2nd game. You will blame anyone for Rafa’s failings as always.
anonymous - November 27th, 2009 at 12:51 am
2 Retryboy: Didn’t your mom taught you not to speak to people, that do not want to speak to you? I do not comment on your sweaty productions for a reason. Your outcome is nauseating and simplistic, you blame our manager for every problem the club is facing. That is your right, and if anyone on this site has not noticed your platform by now they’re are either blind or illiterate. I am not addressing any of my posts to you, there is no use. I am not that much into you, as kids would say. You may need a psychiatrist to help you out.
Why don’t you leave me out of your misery, I haven’t walked away with your girlfriend, haven’t scratched your car or stole your ganja. Continue wallowing in your misery, I prefer to discuss the ways for LFC to improve with others who truly care.
If I did not have manners, I would say, you are an uneducated boor, with penchant for displaying your depressing mind on public forums, where you try hard and in vain to impress others, but as I like to behave properly, I’ll say nothing. And lastly, what’s your real source of anger. Did your girlfiend/boyfriend two timed you with a bearded Spaniard.
Mark G.
Donavan Ried - November 27th, 2009 at 1:14 am
kermit – November 26th, 2009 at 3:36 pm ……..
No Kermit, I was simpley taking the piss out of the Rafaite ( anonymous – November 26th, 2009 at 11:15 am)prophesying that Doom and gloom will follow if we Sack Rafa, as you should be able to tell by the fisrt lines, the,,,,,, “if u sack benitez he gets 20mill compo, you get get a new manager no money 2 spend cuz u sacked benitez,”…… and the last line…… “u need 2 look at this from all angles” That the one thing that most Rafaites will try and make you feel Is that if you get rid of Rafa it will become “Doom and Gloom” for LFC. But any new Manager coming in that is worth his salt will look at the core of the time as say Yes this is a great team ….Yes they will get rid of some players, but some player want getting rid of…….
Retryboy - November 27th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Ha ha and would the real mark g please stand up! Am totally straight mr gimp Aww have to carry on your cock hunt on the other sites you frequent! Only you could call someone an uneducated boor and spell bore wrong!! Unlike you i will challenge anyone if i think they are talking out of where they get their protein injection unlike you i put my name to all my comments and unlike you i stick to the football. What is your obsession with mothers? Couldn’t you raise the 50p to spend an hour with yours? Everyone else seemed to manage it!! By the way kermit who you did address your post to wants st rafa out as badly as myself, donovan and a lot of the people who go through life with their eyes open maybe you did have them open at the wrong time and your boyfriend missed your mouth? Welcome back mr gimp
Donavan Ried - November 27th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Retryboy – November 27th, 2009 at 8:28 am …….;. Retryboy, why bother with this guy (MarkG)? ……Remember how nice he seemed when he first started posting on this site? ….. And as soon as he saw that not everyone here was in the “Brigade” how his true side came out? …. How nasty and personal he started getting with people? ….. Even his vaunted hero at the time Aquaman (Now there’s a class act) had to pull him up on his behaviour……
The only option that matters to him is his own and those how believe in the same as he does…… He has little respect for others, (Proven hereon this site in the past)……
Unlike you or me and most for the people here, we can be swayed by constructive argument, points, and counter points……. He deals in sound bits and insults to achieve his goals…..
I know that it is hard to not deal with someone that acts on that level without, you, yourself coming down to the same level. (I know as I myself have done so in the past) …….But please try not to sink to his level, as it makes you look as bad as him. …. And I know that you are way above his class….. (Proven by the way you have conducted yourself in the past)……… Someone like this is best ignored…..
anonymous - November 27th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Calvo…
Hiya Donovan, Im al good thanx just trying to get my head round what has been a strange season so far.
With regards to some of the posts on Rafa and where Liverpool are at,at this moment in time is even harder to fathom.
For example,Rafa knew from the previous season that Torres as great a striker as he is has some issues regarding injuries so why not a)keep hold of Nemeth or b)get an adequate stanby in the summer.
Now the fact that he had Alonso leaving surely the wisest move would have been to get Ruud or similar from Real, even getting Negredo on loan.
The same with Mascherano,should it become apparent that he wants to leave as much as that would be a kick in the teeth for you guys the positive would be to say to Barca give us Yaya + cash or Yaya and Busquets!
Thus enabling cover throughout your midfield which is clearly missing Alonso and provide a base for which Gerrard would not have to worry about dropping deeper.
Thus giving you something like this:Reina,Johnson,Carra,Agger,Aurelio,Yaya,Busquets,Acquiliani,Gerrard,Ruud/VDV,Torres.
Ppl saying that Rafa should stay is all fair and well but where exactly are you guys in terms of structure after 5 years of him being there.
Are the board as maligned as they are and supporters really gonna put up with another year or 5years of his management….you decide.
Im not saying for 1 minit that Fergie is the best not at all he has as many faults as any manager but when ppl keep saying that he was given time I say yeah he was and along that 5 years you could see what was being built and what Utd had / have reaped.And those that say Mancini etc have no prem experience so what ! did Pep at Barca did Jose at Chelsea did Arsene before he went to Arsenal?…the answers no but look at them now and what they have acheived.
And dont say abt Rafa winning the Champions Lge in his 1st season because that squad was made up of Houlliers signings and since then what has Rafa really acheived??…Lastly who has the final say over signings since he got his own way???
As ive said before im not saying get rid of Rafa but should he go then he needs only blame himself!
anonymous - November 27th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
I’ve never heard such shte in my life.. 1 poor start and sack Raffa! utter tosh!
YOU’LL NEVER WALK ALONE! your making me ashamed and embarrassed by such disrespectfull reds fans.
A JOKE!
am a life long fan and will stick by my much loved team through thick and think .. our moto is the title of our song.
shame on you!
replace Raffa with who? Klinsmen? a yes boss? you all make me laugh….
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Retryboy - November 27th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
fair enough donovan mate and very true… Why do you have to be so reasonable lol will leave him to it. Like you say lot of people on here with good ideas and knowledge who can make you see things from different angles and are worthwhile discussing points with rather than wasting seconds on mark g.
Retryboy - November 27th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Calvo-rafa is totally blinkered by one ultra defensive system and his negative approach. Nemeth is one of the biggest frustrations and casualties of this both he and pacheco…by far the most promising attacking talent we have had for years both in the fowler mould not suited to the lone striker role but ideal partners for a torres or even ngog have had no chance nor are likely to. Myself and donovan have questioned for ages how a tactical genius as his fans portray him can think 1 system is the best for every game and whatever players are available. Was an interesting point in the papers that not only would it cost close to £20m to sack rafa 9/20 back room staff are spanish that he has personally brought in so such a big change behind the scenes with a new manager bringing in all new staff would be easier close season. Personally i think we need to act now not least because Mancini who i think is the man for the job is available and because i really don’t think we will qualify for next seasons champions league under rafa. For rafa to be successful he has to change things, stand back and see things objectively that are obvious to fans, nearly everyone accepts that. i personally don’t think he is capable of that.
Donavan Ried - November 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Hi Calvo,,,, Glad to here that you are well mate….
As you know with regards to Torres Being the only quality striker that we have,
just how long as people like,Dom,JCWW,Steve Mc Mahan, Retryboy,Warren Bloggs and I ( Sorry if I forget anybody) been screaming for a second quality striker that can play upfront along side Torres, and a lone if needs be? …..
As for the other things that you mention, Alonso, and getting someone in to place him. His idea was to buy an Injured player Aquilani, and then when he is finally fit not to play him…..
You are so very right another five years under Rafa would be a disaster for the club, But I fear that all those giving backing at this time to Rafa will only see this after Man Utd have won their 22nd EPL Title and we are still sitting talking about the five CL Cup we have won (Possibly by then you would have equalled that too)……..
Yes right again Jose won the EPL in his first two year at Chelsea, and again with Inter and Pep’ in his first with Barca ….And before anyone says It is because of the money they had to spend, Pep hardly signed a player and if it was money alone Then Sparky (Mark Hughes) would win it this year with Man City
Donavan Ried - November 27th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Retryboy – November 27th, 2009 at 3:10 pm …… Hey, you were kind enough to point up when i was doing the same thing, and i was greetful … That what friends( I hope i can call you that) Do …….
” Why do you have to be so reasonable” …… It’s my curse LOL …… (Stupid curse)….Did I just write that down? D’OH
anonymous - November 27th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
kermit
we should have signed darren bent during the summer, for 12 million always scores goals can play in a partnership but can also play lone striker as he did in his early days at charlton, should have nabbed martin petrov from city also, and bentley from spurs
but i dont think we are so badly off in terms of strikers, no real striker is gonna play second fiddle to torres , he wouldnt be any good really if he did.
we have options of switching to a four four two when torres isn t laying, i d like to see kuyt and babel up front together, we are still scoring goals even without torres , the main problem i see is we are shipping way too many
anonymous - November 27th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
kermit
everyone seems to be raving about nemeth also, does anyone actually know if he can be recalled in this transfer window
Donavan Ried - November 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Kermit, most of the goals that we ship are from set pieces and the Zonal Marking that Rafa advocates. Take the Man City game and the
header that Adebayor scored. He is what 6′03″ and Carols Tevez is 5′8″ Kyrgiakos is 6′4″ Škrtel who is also 6′4″ but Kyrgiakos match up to Adebayor in size and strengh better than Skrel who was in the area that Adebayor was and Kyrgiakos was match up with Tevez, Had it been man to man surely Adebayor would have been pick up by Kyrgiakos or surly even though it was Zonal marking Skrtel and Kyrgiakos should have swapped places?
Retryboy - November 27th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Course you can call me a friend donovan and grateful to be reigned in before wasting any more time on negativity. Kermit… Is hard to know because loan deals have different clauses. Have known loans to be cancelled quite a few times before the way i see it he is still our player. I know that people say that it was part of the kyrgiakos transfer but i would have thought it was just a sweetener rather than anything we have to stick to none of the details of the loan have been made public though.
anonymous - November 29th, 2009 at 2:45 am
some of the blame has to be pointed at the moores family for selling our club,at a massive profit,to hicks and gillett.surely they knew what direction the yanks had for the club before they sold to them.rafa has to atleast win the europa lge and/or the fa cup and finish in the top 4(while still pushing chelsea,man u all the way) to keep his job for next season.if he fails mourinho is the man for the job. yes rafa has been unlucky with injuries in the last 2 seasons,but he continues to make mistakes and stubbornly refuses to fix these mistakes. 1 no replacement for robbie keane. 2 ryan babel and andrea dossena not getting antwhere near enough game time opportunities. 3 constantly complaining about a lack of transfer funds. 4 yossi benayoun not getting enough game time. 5 playing two defensive midfielders in lucas and mascherano,when the whole world knows they dont have an attacking bone in their bodies. 6 still refusing to play aquilani. 7 zonal marking and his decision to not have any defenders on the posts when marking set pieces. 8 only making subs after the 65min mark, only time he hasnt done this was the champs lg final,and it worked then. 9 making subs in games to rest players for the mid week champs lg games,torres/benayoun this year 10 getting rid of hyypia on a bosman and spending millions for kgyriakos who is a far inferior player 11 bringing voronin back from hertha and sending nemeth away on loan . rafa has never admitted to getting it wrong with his tactics.and the way he lays the blame on the yanks is wearing thin. form is temporary class is permanent,we havent gone from a top 4 team in the world to rubbish because of our squad. itandje,el zhar,voronin,and kygriakos have to go.id rather keep dossena over aurelio but if dossena wants to go,how can anyone blame him. thats 5 players out and if we had a 10mil centre back, a 20mil winger and a 30mil striker we would constantly be pushing the likes of chelsea and barcelona on all fronts. GK reina,cavalieri. RB johnson,degen. LB insua,dossena. CB carragher,skrtel. CB agger,??? DM mascherano,lucas. AM gerrard,aquilani. LW reira,benayoun. RW kuyt,??? ST torres,babel. ST ???,ngog. benayoun,dossena,kuyt,and babel can cover a few positions.we still have plessis,nemeth,pacheco,gulacsi,spearing,ayala,kelly and darby so we are strong. we need a strike partner for torres and we need rafa to admit to his stubborn mistakes and make the required changes.houllier persisted with heskey in his final season here and look where they ended up. allahs boot.
kermit - November 29th, 2009 at 3:08 am
donovan being tall does not mean being aerially dominant
kermit - November 29th, 2009 at 3:10 am
i dont understand why before games it is not cleqr who marks who from set pieces, adebayor has scored from corners against us before for arsenal , it doesnt take a genious to work out he needs to be tightly marked , even in a zonal marking system you dont give the poositions best header of the ball seven yards space all to himself
...samlfc.... - November 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Donavan Ried:
What ever happened to Aquaman? he hasn’t been on this site is ages!!!
(This is the third time i said this lol thanks to moderation)
...samlfc.... - November 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Donavan Ried:
What ever happened to Aquaman? he hasn’t been on this site in ages!!!
Donavan Ried - November 30th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
…samlfc…. – November 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pm …….. He was on african diamond redistribution project , But guess he was using one of Retryboy’s dodge speedboats.He has five you know………… guess thats why he was gone for so long ….lol ….. But he is back now
anonymous - December 1st, 2009 at 3:22 am
Retard (masquerading as Retry Boy), as I expected your vocabulary is very limited. I’ll give you a definition of word boor: ” peasant: a crude uncouth ill-bred person lacking culture or refinement “, so there was no spelling error. You are a boor, even although you occasionally adopt a new word from my posts, for instance ” gutter” which characterize your language well.