Liverpool and Everton Groundshare is Now “An Option” According to Chief Executive!
by YNWA on November 26th, 2009 40 commentsCould it really happen?
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Everton chief executive Robert Elstone has revealed the club would consider sharing a ground with city rivals Liverpool after plans for a new stadium at Kirkby were rejected.
The club and Tesco had hoped to build a new stadium and a shopping complex, in a move which would have seen Everton leave Goodison Park.
However, the idea was turned down by Communities and Local Government Secretary John Denham.The news has raised the possibility of Everton and Liverpool coming to an agreement to share a ground, with Liverpool’s plans to build a new stadium at Stanley Park being hit by financial problems.
The fierce rivals have previously expressed a reluctance about sharing a ground, but in the wake of the failed Kirkby project, Elstone has revealed Everton are not against the idea if it makes financial sense for both clubs.
Asked about the idea of ground-sharing, Elstone told Sky Sports News. “It’s certainly one of the options that we will need to cover.
“A shared stadium is perhaps an option if it’s affordable.
“We have to look at where we can raise money, because potentially Liverpool will have to obviously contribute to that, and Liverpool City Council perhaps might need to find some money.
“Our history is one of creativity and innovation and if we are the first major English club to look at sharing then we’re not scared of making those decisions.”
But Liverpool’s deputy executive director Peter Shaw played down the possibility of the city’s two clubs sharing a stadium.
“It’s not on our agenda at the moment,” said Shaw.
“Liverpool are progressing forward with our own stadium. That is the position we are still in.
“The LFC stadium is quite far progressed and once the financial markets reopen for business the LFC stadium will progress further.”
When asked whether the idea of a groundshare with Everton could be a possibility, he said: “That’s not for me to answer.” (Sky Sports)
I just don’t see this happening and It’s odd, not to mention convenient, that now Everton have had their planning permission for a new stadium denied that they then consider the idea of ground sharing a goer. I have nothing against ground sharing as such but I just don’t think that a city as large as Liverpool with just two large clubs, needs to do so.
Our American owners on the other hand may well think the idea is a sound one as it would obviously save money and as such would be right down their street. The idea also that we will continue the procedure of building our new stadium once the “financial markets reopen for business” is a very misleading one and handily gives Messrs Hicks and Gillett a chance of waiting as long as they like to do as they had promised some time ago.
Back to the issue at hand though, how do my fellow fans feel about the idea of groundsharing? Would you be against it wholeheartedly? Would you welcome it? Would it be financially prudent to do so?
YNWA
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anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
no thanks were lfc. not blue noses. none of the fans from both sides want this….
Retryboy - November 26th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
More digs and assumptions at hicks and gillett from Ynwa what a surprise! the fact that on the field failure so far will not give them the best bargaining position on naming rights which they want to contribute £200m of the stadium cost seems to have escaped you. Get ourselves qualified for next years champions league and we will likely be able to secure such a deal as well as the fact they are still looking securing deals left, right and centre. They are motivated by money, not denying that but they want the stadium built for the increased revenue. Can’t see them being remotely interested in Everton’s problems.
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
as a gooner i wood feel uncofatable sharing a stadium with spurs could u imagine united and city sharing a stadium or west ham and millwall how bout celtic and rangers don’t see it working
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
fuck no! no thankyou….they can keep goodison
isaac hunt - November 26th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
the only way it could work is if they built it to around 100 thousand (not bothered if it is the smartest ground) and made tickets alot cheaper and had all red seats!!!. our owners would never on this earth do that so what would be the point in having a shared ground that wouldnt be our identity and ticket prices would stay the same or probably get dearer. although we 100% need a new stadium to compete with the biggest clubs in the world i cant see it happening soon. im no expert on the cost of top class stadiums but do know that the millenium stadium in cardiff was only 80million! why couldnt we build one like it? THE OWNERS.
they are holding liverpool fc back both on and off the field.
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Casper
Eventhough we have financial limitations I can’t see how we could share a stadium, even if it looked like in the picture above.
I can’t see how our two owners can agree with another owner in building, sharing and maintaining a new stadium, it seems impossible……and thank god for that!
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
No thankyou!! ,how could i sit on a seat that a dirty redneck was sitting on only a week ago.
OMG perish the thought COYB
jimmyk - November 26th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
nope.
Retryboy - November 26th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Gary nevilles head on a spike outside might upset phil on match day too
RyanO - November 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
No fucking way this ever happens. Why would we ever share with them? If they are counting on getting 80,000 Reds into the new place, it’s going to have to be a Liverpool ground, with ALL things Liverpool. Worst. Idea. Ever.
Dirty Sanchez - November 26th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Doesn’t make any sense. Nobody but Hicks and Gillett wants this solution. It’s not a good solution for either club and it would be p$ssing on all the fans.
Though it would gain some support if Gary Neville were to be drawn and quartered there on opening day! We would get a full stadium.
Why can’t we operate with +400M in debt like the other big clubs???
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Slowly sinking while watching each other with hatred: 2 Liverpool teams and their silly, anally retentive fans. What a shame! Wake up to reality, this is the path to quickly become competitive with Man U., Chelsea, Arsenals of the world. Like hell, you’ll never see a new stadium built by Hicks & Gillette comedy team.
Jed - November 26th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
isaac hunt – November 26th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
im no expert on the cost of top class stadiums but do know that the millenium stadium in cardiff was only 80million! why couldnt we build one like it? THE OWNERS
the total construction cost of millenium stadium was 121million…and that was in the 90’s….add inflation and it would probably be a little bit less than chelsea’s annual payroll
Retryboy - November 26th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Dirty sanchez- only people that want this solution are Everton not hicks and gillett “liverpool are progressing forward with our own stadium”…”it’s not on our agenda at the moment” don’t buy into Ynwa’s guesswork and blinkered view he is as bad as the tabloids in painting the ‘devil’ picture of the owners. Fact is we have less debt than the other big four whilst bringing in up to £100m less than them every year. Takes time to redress that balance. Answering your question it was simply the time they purchased global recession was in full force, nobody could get a mortgage was exactly the same for them. Thats why the loans are over a year with big interest rates. Uniteds taken a couple of years earlier over 5 with less interest. United have nearly the same amount as us to pay back this year doesn’t get publicised as much and their level of income is £100m a year more than ours. Should give them a chance based on what we have seen not the media.
Retryboy - November 26th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Or chelsea’s debts jed!! Love it when your 2 year ban goes to 3, the rules get introduced that clubs live within their means, generate their own income. Because while we operate at a £5m a year loss, united at a £15m profit arsenal even out chelski lose £85m a year over the last 5!! What a business model there!! Roman gets bored with never being able to win a european cup and says bye bye you are up the creek without a paddle!
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Can’t log in at the moment. This is from Mark G.
1. “The idea also that we will continue the procedure of building our new stadium once the “financial markets reopen for business” is a very misleading one and handily gives Messrs Hicks and Gillett a chance of waiting as long as they like to do as they had promised some time ago.”
Well said YNWA, financial markets are open for business, and if you are a business (men) in good standing, you can get a loan at historically low interest rates . The construction firms are hungry for business, materials are going for a song. You can build a great stadium at a lower cost. The little detail here though, dear fellow fans, Messrs Hicks and Gillete haven’t enjoyed a “great” standing in the financial community for a while. Also, who would like to risk millions in loans going to partners, that can’t stand each other.
2. Waiting as an option: The “inflationary bubble” is building up, when it bursts the cost of loans and building projects will go through the roof. It will cost much more to complete a stadium.
3.” Would it be financially prudent to do so? ” Elementary Watson, I mean YNWA. If you run a small business, lets say a pub, wouldn’t you rather double the bums in your place, and have twice as many busy nights as before.
4. Are there cities with 2 big clubs sharing a stadium. Well, what do “milanese” knew in 1925 when they opened San Siro for business, that we haven’t discovered for another 84 years. San Siro currently hosts 80,000 plus for Inter and AC Milan, plus is used as a venue for many other crowd pleasing events. USA, Brasil provides many more examples of smart busines and community thinking.
5. So why this idea meets with such disdain. Tribalism, lack of respect for each other, historical prejudices and complexes and stupidity is the answer. “I don’t care if we lag ManU, Chelsea, as long as we are ahead of Everton in the table”. Really, if you mean it, bracey ourself for a few years of mediocrity. And, by the way do we have separate railways, airports and bus companies for LFC and Everton in Liverpool?
6. Last but not least. A joint Everton and LFC venture vould be a great kick in the rear end, not just for the football fans but for everybody in the Liverpool Community, that can use some good news for a change
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Mark G
You are not from merseyside so you dont understand. There would be such a backlash it would be unbelivable if we had to share with the blue noses.
With a bit of luck they may get relegated.
I would have a nightmare just thinking about it
...samlfc.... - November 26th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I hope that won’t happen!!! we don’t want Everton to be an unwanted apart of our stadium
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
From Mark G. to anonymous @5:42 pm
I am aware of the backlash, I just hope there are enough people on both side of the divide realizing that ” united we stand, divided we fall”. Didn’t we defeat the Huns fighting together, are “interclub marriages” sanctioned in Liverpool , or do they have to move elsewhere to live in peace. I love LFC, but i can admire Everton’s spirit. Look, “the evil Neville brother” just rubbed our nose in it. Do we compete with just Everton, or with Man U, Chelsea, Real, Barcelona and the rest of the world. Times change and we need to change with it. Sometimes, I feel like saying ” Ihave met the enemy, and the enemy is us”.
P.S. My former boss, 25 years later admitted to be an Everton supporter, he knew my affiliation. We worked great together.
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
..samlfc.. well if its shared it wont be your stadium you stupid cunt, and mark G how the fuck are going to get relegated we will win the derby and be right behind you in the league bell end.
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Mark G. to anonymous at 6:32 pm
Are you plastered already, the 5:42 post is not mine, but it responds to mine…I know you may address your mother as stupid c**t, but I would prefer Mark, if you don’t mind…
Retryboy - November 26th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Anon 6.32… Don’t even read anon comments normally but thought sam was writing it not a pathetic attack on a classy young man. Keep your gutter language for if someone is insulting you or your club not just giving a view that 90% of fans on both side share.
...samlfc.... - November 26th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Retryboy lol dw it wasn’t me i would never insult someone under the name Anonymous like that tosser did.
and if you were calling me a classy young man then Thank you
...samlfc.... - November 26th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
(this is a repeat of another post i did which did have a rude word on lol)
Retryboy lol dw it wasn’t me i would never insult someone under the name Anonymous like he did.
and if you were calling me a classy young man then Thank you
and also the stadium has a Lverpool emblem on it so what does that say you
anonymous – November 26th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
i will say yes so long as some criteria are met: everonians are confined to one “away” stand aka “bitter blues end” which has nails through the bottom of the seats, all the other seats must be red and there must be a giant speaker behind the bitter blue end which blares out kop anthems through the whole 90 mins
anonymous - November 26th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
nope nope lfc4life
Retryboy - November 26th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Yeah knew that sam…was just saying only reason i read it was because it had your name on the front and yeah i was so glad you edited your comments and didn’t lower yourself to his level lol
...samlfc.... - November 26th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
yeah i’m worried that it might show up soon as its in Moderation lol but it ahs been for like ages so it might not show up.
the thing is if Liverpol had to share Evertons ground (hope not) then he probs would of said the same thing as i did lol
...samlfc.... - November 26th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
I’m saying sorry in advance just incase it shows up lol so don’t get angry lol
anonymous - November 27th, 2009 at 2:59 am
noo way we cant share with them :L it would be a insult if we had to share with them imagine the evertonians sitting in our very own new kop it cant happen
anonymous - November 28th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
I Wouldnt like it But
I Wouldnt mind seeing it we would be like milan and inter plus have a larger stadium than what we ever hoped for dont forget Anfield USE TO BE evertons stadium
anonymous - November 29th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
we could build our own english ’san siro’! with around 60,000 seats from liverpool and around 40,000 seats from everton, we would have a total of 100,000 capacity. that would be the 4th biggest stadium in the world!
anonymous - November 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
to think we cud share with the lower classes ov the premiership . no thanks toffee noses buy your own or cant you afford it
anonymous - November 29th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
fuck no
anonymous - November 30th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
no way no way that would b like man u nd man c arsenal and chelsea real madrid nd barca sharing a ground that world war 3 in the making
anonymous - November 30th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
they should join up together they might get a good team between them that would sort out the new stadium
baggins09 - November 30th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
i know it would never happen and wouldn’t want it too,
but economically it would make sense but only if it was a 80-90,000 seater. just think you’ve halfed the running costs got about 40000extra arse’s on seats every game,
we’d still only play them the same amout of time’s as usual, more income and less out goings means more profit, more profit means more transfer cash,
smaller debts in comparison to going it alone which means we would be able to pay off the debts quicker and sell the naming rights for a fortune as who ever buys it would be buying the naming rights to two grounds technically liverpool and everton so surely it would be worth double to who ever buys it.so in theory it would work out better finacially. and it works ok for the ac and inter.
just a thought
anonymous - December 1st, 2009 at 5:55 pm
if liverpool council had anything about them, they would refuse LFC’s new stadium plans on stanley park due to dithering and build a massive stadium called the merseyside arena. They could rent it to both clubs and make some money to re-generate a decaying city. if both sets of fans cant see good in that, then all is lost for humanity and liverpool as a city.
sorry, but the truth hurts. As to arguing over whether it would be blue or red, or who had been sitting in the seat previously, I’m sorry but no-one can justify a rivalry that can not share a stadium. If the Italians can do it, then so can the english, they supposedly hate each other more than efc and lfc.
grow up and maybe you might just do something good for the city, or maybe its just because too many of these so -called fans dont actually reside in merseyside.
anonymous - December 6th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
everton to share wiv us hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaa spota lfc ynwa
anonymous - January 13th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Why don’t Liverpool & Everton Football Clubs do a San Siro and build a communal state of the art 80,000+ stadium in the heart of the city? Perhaps based on the Cardiff stadium.
With either club doing well, this capacity could well be achieved.
Also, this resouce would be great for the city of Liverpool to stage a multitude of events, sporting and otherwise perhaps even Champions League Finals or World Cup Finals?
Why not think big and see the bigger picture?