Liverpool Starlet Nemeth Considers Making Loan AEK Athens Move Permanent

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 6:11 pm

You want to leave then go at the right price. You obviously don`t love Liverpool fc enough to stay. We loan you out to give you enough games so you can improve and then you thank us by wanting to stay in greece.
Rafa slap a good price tag on him and let the club make good money with a further 30 percent of any sell on fee. end off!!!!

Donavan Ried - November 30th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

He is just not getting the chances he deserves under Rafa……

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 6:18 pm

10 mil straight money with add on to 14 mil , 20 percent of any future sale with a 16 mil buy out clause if we want him back. then the boy can develope with liverpool first option.

Donavan Ried - November 30th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

Pity

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 6:20 pm

retro boy is gonna have a fit when he reads this

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 6:21 pm

Rafa can only play 11 people. i talk about attitude the geezer has only been here 2 seasons. we are giving him first team footy else where , paying his wage. the least he can do is keep it in house and discuss it with rafa at the end of the season or when a deal is done.
My opinion.

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

but you couldnt honestly blame him if he does decide to make the move3 permanent , they are giving him an opportunity , he wont get one at liverpool the way things are going, rafa is no wenger, i fi was a classy young footballer i know i d be on the road to the emirates and i d look at liverpool and think nah no way i m going there

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 6:22 pm

Hes younger than babel and plays more games than him . I give up!!

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 6:24 pm

afair enough chosen but the kid is just a young fella , he is getting first team football , and in a way he is almost sayng i love to make my loan move permanent, i think loaning him out wasn t a bad idea , i d have loaned lucas to bolton also, toughen him up a bit give him a real chance to show what he can do at premiership level.

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 6:25 pm

i personally dont think we will sell him i think he will be back with a years football experience under his belt next year and on the bench a lot more

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 6:26 pm

Bottom line the manager will do it his way and when people do say they want to go let them have the decency to first chat with the manager and arrange things first.
Their use to be a time when he would be cleaning the senior players boots!!!and yet modern day football has eliminated this. Back to basics I say. Like carragher once said ID PLAY FOR LIVERPPOL FOR NOTHING.
those are the kind of players we want.

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 6:37 pm

i read an article with gabriel obertan of utd recently and upon his arrival at old trafford fergie had him watering plants around the club, i thought it was cool.

carragher wasnt born in hungary was he????
if you want players like that ie like robbie keane who would have died in red jersey, then you need to get supporters to play for you

Retryboy - November 30th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

He is an awesome talent the best we have produced for years. With only 3 attacking players in a rafa starting 11 all the creative players are suffering especially if they don’t fit the system. What more can you do to get noticed than score better than a goal every 2 games whatever level you play, get young player of the year by a mile in the same team as insua, kelly and spearing, score goals preseason then watch as voronin who proved he wasn’t good enough was kept and you are the makeweight in a deal to stop chances for kelly and ayala and bring in a 30 year old journeyman. Players don’t get opportunity at liverpool on merit they get them when rafa has run out of his poor squad players to throw in unless you are a defensive midfielder rafa can never have enough of those. Babel, nemeth, Eccleston these players should be the bright future of the club they all want out because rafa plays 3 attacking players in a game and torres, gerrard, kuyt when fit take those spots. I have said before what would have happened to fowler under rafa? He wouldn’t have made a good lone striker so he wouldn’t have got a chance that is why nemeth who i believe can be as good has been farmed out doesn’t fit his system and has creativity. Least he has cleared up that the loan can be cancelled rafa should be working hard to build bridges with him, babel and look at his system and himself who will be off next yossi, pacheco??

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 6:54 pm

was waiting for retro to come and have a fit

Dirty Sanchez - November 30th, 2009 at 6:56 pm

Agree with chosen one. If he wants to leave then we should try and cash in on him. Would personally hate to see young talent leave the club. We may want players who’d open up a vein for a win but we also need quality and skill to be succesful in modern football.

Had he been the new Owen or Fowler would he have been sent to Greece in the first place?

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

KERMIT

He could of stayed in hungary! afterall we gave him a contract brought him over. How long did Stan collymore stay on the bench before he could play and he was also a record signing and older as well as proven. everyone goes on about voronin , ok he hasnt delivered but then how many games has he played and he did score goals on his loan deal.
would he like 6 games in a liverpool shirt at this stage of his career or 30 games else where to develope him. Its not as if the greeks have a clause in his loan deal to buy him. He was sent there to develope. If he came back and had a year on the liverpool bench and decided to go I would see his point perfectly. Lets put this into perspective. It was rafa who showed faith in the likes of him and alonso. Rafa knows what he needs to develope a year of footy under his belt. For heavens sake its not even half of the season yet.
Ok he should be playing because hes world class and has been and won things everywhere because all the other players are not as good as him.
Lack of respect for team mates and yes I am fuming as hes trying to bite the hand that fed him.
The little rascal.

Dirty Sanchez - November 30th, 2009 at 6:58 pm

Is Rafa capable of recognizing young talent which doesn’t exactly fit into his box thinking of game tactics?

Retryboy - November 30th, 2009 at 7:00 pm

Chosen one- kermit mentioned obertan less than 10 reserve games, 2 carling cup then in the first team squad. Nemeth-full season in the reserves 25 goals, player of the year not one carling cup game loaned out gets injured first game injury plagued season gets fit again bangs in the goals scores a couple pre-season and loaned out again. Another mistreated player missing out while rafa plays his favourites and refuses to reduce squad size or get rid of 2nd rate players. Who would want to play for a manager where it doesn’t matter what you do or how poor some of the first team play you know you aren’t going to get a chance. Rafa needs to go its like having a special needs manager even rats in the maze learn their lessons faster than him.

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 7:10 pm

Retryboy
playing in the reserve is never like playing first team you and I know that and yes winning cups at youth doesnt make you a world class player. I`m not doubting the guy doesnt have talent. Im doubting his attitute and his love for the club as well as being wrongly advised to speak out.
yet again I say voronin went on loan and scored goals for fun as well as proved himself before he came to liverpool. If I was in his shoes Id have continued scoring goals and proclaimed my love for Liverpool Fc stating all I want to do is score for liverpool and help them win titles.

As for robbie, its a shame it didnt work out for him but he had his chances and lets be honest wasnt fantastic. Maybe we should of kept him or maybe not but thats another topic of discussion.

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

Kop King

i mentioned 6 games because I guess thats how many voronin played at a guess. come on guys if you were raf and with the what the squad did last year. A loan move was the best thing for him, hes playing footy and being paid for it.

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

Kop King
How old was Carragher when he established himself into the liverpool team as first choice?

think again !!!!!

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 7:18 pm

tell a lie he was 18 my apologies

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 7:21 pm

Kop King we can keep them both

anyway just my opinion

Lets have a revolution all players under 20 find another club lol

Retryboy - November 30th, 2009 at 7:35 pm

Chosen one i meant if fowler was a young player when rafa was manager he wouldn’t have got a chance because he is a 2nd striker not a lone front man its all to do with his system that has worked so well that 21 games played all competitions and we are out of the 3 competitions that have started. 21 games and we have beaten 1 good team, united the other teams we have beaten? Hull, burnley, west ham(just) leeds(just) bolton, debrecenx2(just) stoke, Everton(lucky) and every decent team apart from united, city(can’t do anything apart from draw) lyon(draw) we have played have beaten us spurs, villa, fiorentina, chelsea, Sunderland, lyon, arsenal, fulham. Now we are supposedly set for a winning run what until we play a team that isn’t a relegation favourite?? Don’t see what evidence apart from blind hope there is for a winning run definitely none from Rafa’s decisions or from what we saw at Everton. If we wait till the end of the season its too late rafa needs to go now so the quality players will be there for the next manager and he can get us into the champions league for next year.

Retryboy - November 30th, 2009 at 7:40 pm

About a month ago gerrard was saying we have the young talent ready to come through and make the difference. Who do you think he was talking about nemeth, pacheco and Eccleston or plessis and spearing??

Retryboy - November 30th, 2009 at 7:44 pm

About a month ago gerrard was saying we have the young talent ready to come through and make the difference. Who do you think he was talking about nemeth, pacheco and Eccleston or plessis and spearing?? Darby never gets a chance under rafa either you can only be patient for so long as babel proved then you have to realise you aren’t going to get a shot and put your career first. Bet rafa hasn’t even spoke to nemeth since he has been on loan. He should be on the phone telling him he is in his plans congratulating him on his performances and achievements but that would be good man management another concept wasted on rafa.

Retryboy - November 30th, 2009 at 7:46 pm

Says in the article he doesn’t even care about the teams success he obviously just wants to play and be made to feel wanted.

...samlfc.... - November 30th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

Selling Nemeth would be a step backwards and also a hammerblow for us. Nemeth is bright young star whowill become a world beater sooner or later. This would also prove how bad we are with the reserves/youngsters if we just going to sell them to other teams and not progress them in our ranks. If his heart is set on staying in Greece the he might aswell as if soeone doesn’t want to be at a club you can;t force them to stay, but i want him to stay at the club as he will/might become our new talisman in the future when Gerrard retires and Torres retires or leaves(hopefully not).
If Rafa sells Nemeth for no reason my respect for Rafa will lower even more
If Rafa sells Nemeth becuase Nemeth wants to leave then thats acceptable.

Dirty Sanchez - November 30th, 2009 at 8:04 pm

Why stop at selling our best young players? Laurel & Hardy – I mean Hicks & Gillett – should be able to line their pockets considerably by selling Masch, Gerrard and Torres as well.

Next we’ll be pleading with Everton to take us back. They should be positive – to use a Rafa’ism – towards this idea as they did approach us re groundsharing?

Ryan Babel - November 30th, 2009 at 8:12 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Give them voronin and keep nemeth.
future team
————–Nemeth——————-N’gog/Eccleston

Butchman —————pacheco————–Amoo
But if we get an old ST not neccisarily bad cause then they will be retiring just as the players above are coming to the right age, and they can learn from them .

Ryan Babel - November 30th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

oh and Dalle Valle lots of young attackers that could be very good in the future given the chance

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

i fuly understand sending him out on loan , i dont think its a bad move but i can understand nemeths attitude , he is getting games in greece feeling the adoration of the fans i wouldn t blame him for wanting to stay there.
and i would have had lucas on loan all last season, preferably at bolton or wigan or somewhere nearby, then he d be with us again this year after a full season of football. i fully expect nemeth to return to anfield next season.
rafa made a choice between him and ngog one to keep one on loan for experience.
the aquilani situation is more on my mind, why isn t he getting a game, or even a half hour here and there, is he still unfit or what???#
i hope he plays against blackburn. gerrard isnt playing well , though i feel that most of this is down to team selection and lack of support in an attacking sense from midfield and the wings. the difference in our play with both yossi and riera o the field was unbelievable we looked like a different team, we had an attacking threat and looked like we could tear everton apart .
i dont think gerrard is one hundred percent , and i think he should be either dropped to regain fitness or layed for sixty mins and replaced by aquilani til both are fully fit then lucas dropped to the bench.

Donavan Ried - November 30th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

THE CHOSEN ONE….. Both Kop King and Retryboy are right (By the way Kop King its Nemeth)

It must be hard to find yourself on loan know that you have been playing better than Babel,N’gog and Voronin only to see Voronin start two games and on the bench in the Champions League, Babel and N’gog too ….. Do you not think that he speaks to Kelly, Darby, and Ayala etc by phone? ….. No points for guessing what they are talking about….. It how well they have played for the first team when called upon only to see other players get brought in, and how they are then put back in reserves for the next year or so ….. Or it’s if they were with any other team how they would be getting regular first team games ……

If I were 16 again as much as I believe I was a great football player (Which I was. Lost my way) and as much as I love Liverpool. I could not sign for them as long as Rafa was manager … I would sooner go to Arsenal or West Ham somewhere that I would get that chance of regular first team football …..

Remember players play football not because they think it would be a great job to have. It’s because they love football. Nemeth is no different …. I know that I would sooner be playing football in front of 60,000 plus screaming supporters than playing a reserve game in front of 1,000 if you’re lucky ….

And as Retryboy pointed out it must be the feeling of a lot more player if they won’t sign new contracts …

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

i also feel kuyt should be played up front, with babel going right wing
or a bid for micah richards for right back and johnson moved to right wing. as donovan rightly says kuyt is a poacher not a winger and poachers need to be in and around the box, nemethwould be a perfect understudy for kuyt for the time being.
i have no doubt dirk would get twenty a season from a role centrally alongside torres

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 8:24 pm

he resigned damien plessis who i consider to be utterly rubbsh, mavinga will make it as a footballer, so will nemeth and pachecho , and babel will be great whether all this will happen wiht us or someone else i dont know. i seriously think he should be looking at wnegers youth policy and taking a leaf from his book and playing only youngsters in the carling cup.

Anfield Faithful - November 30th, 2009 at 8:43 pm

Its becoming increasingly embarrasing isn’t it? 2nd player in almost a week time stating that he would like to move elsewhere. Afraid that ecclestone probably is drifting in that direction too. NO retry rafa is not the type of manager who will try to bridge the gap btw him and youngsters or any player who is creative for that matter. He is too stubborn and arrogant for that. Have a feeling that only if he starts playin a 4-3-3 formation then players like nemeth could really prosper but its a big IF. Also speaking of reserve and premier league didn’t macheda made an instant impact in the league nemeth is loads better than him

Anfield Faithful - November 30th, 2009 at 8:47 pm

Its all about showing faith and backing a player wenger does it that twat fergie does it that’s why young blood always deliever for them

Anfield Faithful - November 30th, 2009 at 8:51 pm

Oh and the fa cup draw is reading wonder how many youngsters would play in that game? rafa should seriously think about playing pacheco darby ayala and kelly in that one well atleast these four must feature what say everyone?

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 8:59 pm

martin kelly was superb against lyon at home, one of the big plusses that night no doubt he ll get a game again in 2014
he could go to right back and push johnson to roght wing, and drop kuyt for a few games he must be knackered, then reinstate kuyt up front with torres

THE CHOSEN ONE - November 30th, 2009 at 9:00 pm

Thats just shows the difference between us and utd look at players like oshea, how long did fletcher wait before he became a regular. how long did phil nevel stay before he asked to leave to go to everton. apparentlly that brazilian lefttback is better than his brother who plays rightbackb and do you hear him moaning. the young striker plays right has never asked to leave.how many games this season has that young striker played who was a revelation last season?

well thats all ill say on the matter

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 9:01 pm

spot on nick , if rafa dont like you or you dont lick his arsehole you dont get a game simple as , or you get played out of position so thta you ll be a failure and have to be moved on example robbie keane and ryan babel

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

i feel selling robbie keane was a huge mistake

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

selling babel will be another

RyanO - November 30th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

Hmm, wonder if this translation is correct? Taking a veiled shot at the Liverpool faithful is no way to endear oneself. This is shite anyway. I understand you’re looking for team news, but fucking Sky is the absolute worst source going for anything Liverpool related. They fucking hate us over there. He’s loaned out this season and he’s still under contract, so he will be back next season.

Anfield Faithful - November 30th, 2009 at 9:05 pm

Nick it is true that rafa prefers spanish players in transfer market but ayala is a very good prospect if nurtured properly he can be a future star infact he along with darby are two most promising young defenders we have that’s my opinion

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm

i hear aquilani think rafa is a fat spanish santa claus, and has written to him #

dear santa i ve been a good boy this year and i have worked hard in training , all i want for xmas this year is to play some football

Anfield Faithful - November 30th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

Nick i am just saying reading one will probably be the only game in which they can feature they will not certainly play in premier league in near future also i would certainly prefer ayala over skrtel in that game

RyanO - November 30th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

There is a lot of knee jerking going on in here.

Anfield Faithful - November 30th, 2009 at 9:18 pm

Kermit mate agree with you on keane sale he would have fantastic in 4-4-2 or maybe in 4-4-3 as well but rafa wouldn’t do what’s obvious

Anfield Faithful - November 30th, 2009 at 9:21 pm

Wonder what excuses rafa is making to force aquilani on the bench against blackburn as well

kermit - November 30th, 2009 at 10:35 pm

blackburn

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 12:08 am

mascherano seems more commited in recent weeks i dont understand the whole problem with his wife thing, isnt tevez and his wife living close by also, we could sign a few more argies
saw mention of perrotti , argentnian winger from sevilla earlier today

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 12:10 am

to anon @ 11 52 pm , no manager is bigger than lfc either , though this one seems to think he is

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 12:11 am

could it be that benitez doesnt actualy listen to his players and thats why several of them feel the need to speak out in public, perhaps they have voiced their concerns directly to mr benitez several times without getting anywhere

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 12:39 am

For anyone that is in any doubt that nemeth has been patient it was 2 years ago almost to the day he scored 2 on his debut for the reserves going on to be top scorer in the league. 1.5 years ago gary ablett then reserve boss said”he can be as good as king Kenny” and mr benitez said “nemeth is something special, the time is nigh” all he has done since then is score for fun. Reserve teams are different? He skinned Gerard pique all ends up not many in the world can say that. This is also a player that rafa thought that highly of he brought 3 of his team mates to make sure he settled! To say as well that if we hadn’t bought him he would still be in hungary is garbage he was one of the hottest properties in the world we fought off a lot of people for his signature as we always seem to doesn’t seem to make any difference to their opportunities though. Whats happened to the rest of that title winning team? Martin(loaned out for 3rd time) darby(still in the reserves despite being great performer and captain for 2 years) insua(1st team because of long term injuries to aurelio & dossena) san jose(loaned out) ayala(got one game, back in reserves with kyrgiakos bought over him) kelly(got chance due to injury to johnson & degen injured currently) huth(still reserves) plessis(reserves) spearing(reserves/carling cup) pacheco(reserves) simon(loaned out) flynn(sold) gulacsi(reserves) come to liverpool spend your life in the reserves or on loan!

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 1:03 am

Kermit 12.10 and 12.11 spot on mate!

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 1:29 am

meh anyways , disagree with the notion thta a waterlogged pitch would be a reason not to play aquilani, nor the notion that it would be unfair to play him expecting him to priduce a magic wand. thats why he was bought because he has a lagic wand or magic right foot anyway. bullshit for 23 million he ought to handle the pressure. excuses excuses excuses thats all i hear, we were luckier than a jammie diger to get anything from this game , some say benitez tactics spot on i say bullshit horse placenta and utter crap
yossi and riera should have been on sooner than the 74th minute and wed have win by three or four goals.
gerrrard ought to have been replaced by aquilani when we went 2-0 up
still i see a load of shite, i think aquilani will get thritymins against blackburn and every liverpool fan will say about bloody time

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 1:31 am

Anfield faithful 8.43 agree totally on rafa. 4-4-2 nemeth and torres would be awesome he is the perfect partner. Would bag a lot more than kuyt in the 2nd striker role and create loads more too. Gerrard would be back in the action instead of having to chase down hoofed balls from the 8 man defence. If rafa can’t get the best out of the worlds most complete player who loves the club more than anyone what hope has he with the rest of the players.

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 1:38 am

dunno i think kuyt would get twenty a season as second striker and nemeth could be there in the wings waiting for his opportunity which would come and should come , could give kuyt the rest he so desperately needs, if ngog is torress understudy then nemth ought to be kuyts, gerrard is seriosly suffering from lack of midfeild support i think, somehtng whose fault i attribute to benitez not allowing at least one of his holding midfielders to get forward and join the attack and playing left backs as wingers when there are two wingers sat on the bench
i ve had enough, we won we were lucky, thats several times against everton we ve been lucky in the last few seasons

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 2:05 am

gerrard isnt fully fit but aquilani who was sat on the bench is, johnson isnt fully fit , and regards yossi and riera i d have given them a half each instead of aurelio. i d suggest you take your tongue out of benitez s arsehole before you start spewing more pro spanish shit out your mouth.
i d dare you to name the seven starters on sunday who weren t fully fit
ngog fit kuyt fit, insua fit reina fit, lucas fit mascherano fit, thats six, so i m wondering where you find seven starters as unfit
yossi played against man city despite not having trained for ten days , yet aquilani is fully fit on the bench.
you cant tell me aurelio was fitter than benayoun, who had game time against city, and against debrecen.
i support liverpool not our crap overated manager

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 2:07 am

torres in injured beacuse he is aksed to play up frnt alone and gets the shit kcked out of him every game , theres no alternative to him , no chance to give him a rest, if he is fit he must play, thats rafa s fault

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 2:10 am

yossi was fot enough to play sixty mins against against city but not against everton?????? is this what you are suggesting that aurelio was a better option wide left than him, sixty mins of yossi is worhtmore than ninety of aurelio in that position, then on sixty mins sub yossi for riera
i give up its like talking to a lampost

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 2:11 am

and if gerrard isnt fit then start with aquilani, and let gerrard recover

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 2:14 am

Anon insults not getting you anywhere mark? Got a plan why don’t you write james at the top of a post so it might get read and responded to well that ones wrong because only time i respond to an anon is if its someone i am confident puts their name on all their posts like Kop king or chosen one. Then you could answer your own points…oh wait lol already thought of it had you. Leave you 3(lol) to it. So pathetic its funny!

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 2:15 am

i have one primary gripe against benitez, he is way too slow to make changes during a game that might change the outcome of a game

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 2:26 am

Sorry kermit back to real people lol would be more than happy for that. Ngog being torres back up and nemeth being kuyts think personally first chance nemeth got kuyt wouldn’t get that place back though! If we did that as well suddenly we have strength in depth all over the park mascherano/gerrard with lucas/aquilani back up benayoun LM aquilani/riera back up babel RM johnson/kuyt back up defence we have loads of options anyway. Its sticking to the same system that makes our squad look weak.

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 2:38 am

Off now kermit don’t waste your time talking to mark g’s different personalties while he carries on his recruitment drive for people with their eyes shut and their heads still in istanbul and have an opinion other than their ‘in rafa i trust’ bs

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 3:28 am

lol talk shit not football i love it

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 3:29 am

do you call yourself mark g just to be like stevie g

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 8:21 am

i quote benitez gerrard played the last three games without any training inthe three weeks prior to them
yet aquilani who has been training for month saw 30 seconds worth of action
who is this spastic that is coaching our team

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 8:22 am

so the excuse of not using aquilani because he isnt match fit is utter bullshit and lies

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 8:24 am

benitez is an idiot.

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 1st, 2009 at 9:59 am

PAUL

Fantastic post mate read through it and your understanding of the game is pleasurable. Ill now make you a lord and will look out for your posts.

ANON

Can we please put our names on the post and stop all this extreme insults. its childish , silly and to be honest a waste of space not to mention cowardly. anyway real liverpool fans tend not to read them. I keep on assuming theres a name at the bottom.

KERMIT

My lord slow down lol. In my opinion your very extreme with your passion and ideas. Yes at times we all get it right and at times we all get it wrong. for example the prediction for the everton game.
You Sream out load about Rafa not playing youth as much. Yes I agree with you on this however I feel it should be in moderation . Is Lucas not a youth player? Is he not playing instead of aquilani? and yet you failed to recognise this contrasdicting yourself about youth.
Ok like I said before alot of people are predicted to be stars of the future and some fail to make the grade. Im not doubting nemeths ability however I agree with how Rafa is progressing him.Remember Kirkland? I can think of at least 25 top well respected footballers and pundits saying he will be the next peter shilton and englands first choice goalie for years to come……if only.
Looking at our team now like I said before, we have insua, ngog and lucas playing. Thats 3 out of 11. not bad for youth mate.
This is when I think the youth should be played or introduced……
1-Weak opposition in both carling cup and FA cup.
2-At home games When weve killed of the game with weak opposition
3-injuries
4-Congested matched when we have many games because we are in many compettions.
All the above depends on the player and how good hes developed and has to in most cases be gradual but as you can see theirs not much chance in a season and the players have to take their chances. Its not an easy thing for a manager to do. yet again I agree on the youth policy like you but first want to see us win. Again I say how many games have voronin played this season.
Kermit you talk about playing a 4-4-2 which is cool. It has it merits but you fail to mention the weakness of the system with the players we have. Chelsea and alot other teams play 4-3-3 formation mate.
one last thing LORD KERMIT I dont see or recall you giving praise to Rafa for anything he does. Maybe its me but you seem not to take the positives or highlight them. I think it was you that mentioned that you hoped we would lose a game if it made us get rid of rafa. I find those comments puzzling to say the least. yes I know you are loyal to Liverpool Fc and not Rafa however Liverpool Fc appointed Rafa and hes in charge. Im not saying you dont have some valid points mate but that we all need to weigh the pros and cons and have a logical subjective veiw to things. Only 11 people can play in a match.
My priority as a fan is
1-for the team to win. Well done lads for beating Everton.
2-for us to play with flair and entertain the fans
3-For our youth to save us money in the tranfer market
4-For the americans to invest more in the club or new investers to come in.

With all those trophys will come.

By the way lets give rafa credit for at least buying some of these players and bringing them to anfield whether they have played like alonso or not like nemeth.

cheers

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 1st, 2009 at 10:09 am

Yet again everone.
we all have our veiws if you disagree put your ponts down in a constructive manner.The LORDS should be respected. So shall it written and so shall it be done !!!

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 1st, 2009 at 10:24 am

Donavan Ried

sorry missed your post. just read it but i feel i covered my side of the argument or debate.nobody is right here we are all just stating some valid points mate. different philosophy.

isaac hunt - December 1st, 2009 at 11:49 am

f u c k you nemeth.

to say we arent enthusiastic enough is stupid. how are our fans meant to be as good as theres when their tickets cost about £30 less and dont have glory supporters? anyway theres only retryboy and donavan ried who like you so you can stay in greece. total disrespect to liverpool football club. if you read retard boys posts you would think he was the next torres or messi but do you not realise that he is playing for a team that is doing shit in a very poor league and have alreay got nocked out of the europa league and he has only scored 3 goals!!!! ffs he is 20 and if you two clowns think he has world class potential why wouldnt a better club than AEK have loaned him? you have been hypnotised by people saying that we have got excellent youth players coming through but the reality is we have not got one single player that will ever be a first team regular. and dont give me all this bullshit about rafa not giving them chances. theres one reason why he doesnt play them. HE KNOWS THEY ARENT GOOD ENOUGH.

isaac hunt - December 1st, 2009 at 11:59 am

KERMIT

but you couldnt honestly blame him if he does decide to make the move3 permanent , they are giving him an opportunity , he wont get one at liverpool the way things are going, rafa is no wenger, i fi was a classy young footballer i know i d be on the road to the emirates and i d look at liverpool and think nah no way i m going there.

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rafa is no wenger?

who won the champions league in his fist season?
who hasnt won the champions league?
who hasnt got near to winning anything in the last 4 years?
who has developed us to one of the best teams in europe? (when no injuries)
who beat who in the champions league quarter finals?

people also need to start remembering what benitez has done for us. he has brought us major silverware and transformed us from a top 4 club to a title winning side. ok this year has been a disaster so far but you win together and you lose together. people like retardboy, donavan ried and kermit jump on the bandwagon as soon as we go through a bad spell. lfc could do without fans like you.

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 12:15 pm

Mark g/james/anon not even bothering a child could see you wrote all those posts.
Chosen one-no lucas is not a youth player he was bought for £6m if nemeth or babel had been afforded 1/4 of lucas chances we would not be complaining and would have a much better team the fact that lucas is keeping out aquilani is not based on ability its to do with having a more defensive approach as most of Rafa’s selections are. Insua got in the team because of long term injuries to aurelio and dossena. Ngog because of injuries to torres and the ineptitude of voronin. If you think that insua, lucas and ngog are our best young players you have never watched nemeth, darby, kelly, pacheco play. If it wasn’t for kirklands terrible injuries he would have been that good and now after a couple of nearly full seasons is nearly back to that form. I would say he is the best Gk england has at the moment. How you can talk about the weakness of a 4-4-2 system when every team ever to win the epl has played it when we have this ridiculous negative system that stifles creativity and makes for the most unattractive football possible. To be honest i would take a 5-0 loss if it would guarantee rafa gone, For the long term good of the club can see what kermit meant. Look at the damage souness, evans, houllier did because fans had blind faith and they were left for too long.

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 12:23 pm

Isaac he has only scored 3 because he has only played 7 games because he went to the under 20 world cup in october scoring 3 in 6 there too as well as 2 in 2 at for the under 21’s this season so he has scored 8 in 15 this season you mong.

isaac hunt - December 1st, 2009 at 12:34 pm

under 20 smooooooooooooooooooo retardboy. if he was good enough he wouldnt be playing u20s would he? you know he isnt good enough.

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 12:46 pm

He won the champions league? Think it was more gerrard and carragher myself and the only other thing he has won in 5 years? Gerrard had to win the fa cup single handed on one leg! It was called the gerrard final not the rafa final. You don’t know anything about the young players because you have never watched the reserves. Nemeth is world class he was voted most valuable player in the greek league in his first month there! You talk about 2nd rate teams apart from united thats all we have beaten this season. Debrecen managed as many goals as we did in the champions league. 8 losses in 21 games played this season, would have been 9 apart from ngogs dive! out of 3/3 competitions before december with the biggest squad in the epl at his disposal, what a superstar!

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Doesn’t take the ‘in rafa we trust’ brigade much to be back does it! Being outplayed by an injury ravaged Everton team one of the luckiest victories ever. Talk about give a dog a bone. Isaac hunt? No they’re useful! Rafa out!!

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 1st, 2009 at 12:59 pm

Retryboy
Sorry mate I disagree with you. Rafa has said it on numerous of times that Lucas was and Babel was bought for the future as well as ngog 1.5 m.They are all young hence youth players and lets be honest how many of them have been at liverpool since they were 10? or even 15 i think you only want to hear what fits you. Yes we paid 6 mil and we pay money for other players like nemeth. It doesnt warrant you to play. the fact that Lucas is playing and babel isnt has nothing to do with a price tag. They are young players Like stevie G said and for the future. Lucas is establishing himself because hes improving and is playing the way rafa wants, Im sure the Roman will be watching from time on the side and rafa will teach him the ropes.HIS WAY not ours as long as it gets us results.
What is wrong with a youth player playing because of injuries? absolutely nothing!! its a chance as good as any other.yes 4-4-2 has won money titles yes I agree however 4-3-3 has recently. Both have their merits and flaws and it depends on the team and the way it works mate.
What I will agree with you is Rafa should be more attacking minded in the middle but thats another debate.
Anyway my views

They are all young hence youth players and lets be honest how many of them have been at liverpool since they were 10? or even 15

as for your 5-0 loss well ill just ignore that because it makes your post lack credibilty m8 sorry

isaac hunt - December 1st, 2009 at 1:13 pm

retardboy

anyone knows that the only reason we won the CL was rafa. obviously gerrard and carragher helped but they did not give the team talks or the inspired substitutions did they? how bad was our team in 05? yet we won the biggest competition in the world. i agree with you about this seson but you dont seem to read my posts properly. we have been shit and im not denying that even though you think that i have said that we are having a good season somehow?

did we get the three points against everton?YES

we were terrible and not good enough but we will eventually get back to where we were last year. you just need patience and there are things about rafa that i hate. i hate it when he takes off benayoun all the time. i hate some of his tactical decisions. i have wondered if we should sack him sometimes but what other world class manager would come to us now? with the owners we have we should be grateful that benitez is still here.

Aquaman - December 1st, 2009 at 1:13 pm

Sheesh. Lots of hard words. I realise that this post doesn’t have anything to do with the article but I feel that someone should speak up for reason.

My respect to you Paul. Great post. It’s not easy to speak out in support of the manager when everyone is slating him. Good job.

I think that it’s time for all of us to take a deep breath, forget everything that you’ve heard or seen (both real and fabricated) and just look at where we are.

Yes the prem is looking highly unlikely and we’re out of the Champions league. Strange how things can change. Not too long ago we had the great rivalry with AC in the CL final and now both of us have failed in the last two years. Still this is not doom and gloom. Just a speedbump. A big one granted, but nothing more.

So why are we losing? I agree with Paul. We’re not short of goals scored (despite our lack of creative players, fitness and “overly defensive” strategies). The place where we are struggling is in the conceding bracket.

In the 14 games in the prem we have only failed to score 2 or more in 5 of them (interestingly these are all the games we lost). Manchester United have failed to score 2 or more in 4 games and Chelsea have failed in 3. We’ve scored 31, Man U have scored 30 and Chelsea 36. Clearly we are competetive in the attacking department.

However in the 14 prem games we have only kept 4 clean sheets. Man U have 5 (didn’t expect to see that! Yet another stat forgotten by the media when they crucify us) and Chelsea have 9. We have conceded 20 goals while Man U have conceded 13, and Chelsea 8.

The really bad statistic though is that we have conceded 2 or more in 8 games (losing 4 and drawing 2). Man U have only done this 3 times this season (losing only one) and Chelsea twice (losing both). This is where our problem lies.

If I remember correctly we’ve conceded 10 goals from set pieces alone this season (penalties do NOT count). Now the media jump all over zonal marking and say this was destined to happen, but that is just not true. Remember that this is the same defensive setup that we’ve used for the last four seasons, winning 3 golden gloves and missing out on the other by only 1 clean sheet. No zonal marking is not the problem.

So what has changed then? Sami and Alvaro left and Johnson and Kyrgiakos joined. A more attacking fullback replaced Mr Reliable while an aging legend was replaced by a aerially strong barbarian. Ideally I would have liked to keep Arbeloa so that Carra could focus on being a centreback. Also his composure would have helped in these troubled times. Sami’s loss was sad but inevitable. Rafa wanted him to stay but he wanted football that we couldn’t promise. Kyrgiakos is a like for like replacement, though he clearly hasn’t settled yet (at least I hope that’s true).

What else? Well Skrtel got his head smashed in, Agger ripped some important stuff in his back, Aurelio fell over himself on holiday, and Johnson mangled his ankle. Carra also forgot how to play the game.

Skrtel has never quite looked the same since he and carra locked horns. I reckon he’ll be back to his best in the future, but he’s really struggling at the moment. Aurelio has only started a handful of games in his native position because of injury, Insua and more injuries to others. In my opinion he should be first choice left back, but we just can’t do that sometimes. Agger was a huge but somehow inevitable loss. Sadly it seems that we need four senior centrebacks if only to keep three fit simultaneously. Unfortunately all of this coincided with Carra’s freakish drop in form. I hate to blame bad luck, but seriously now, how much can you get?

So what can be done?

Well what can you do with a player low on confidence? Get them playing. In cricket they say that the best way to get yourself in form is to bat right through the bad form. In football that means that Skrtel will have to play until he gets his head right. This will cost us goals (3 from open play that I can remember and at least 2 corners, plus his poor clearences have probably cost us another 3). However this is a necessary sacrifice to get our hardman back to brutalising opposing forwards as soon as possible.

This cost was exacerbated (a real word!) by Agger’s injury. When you are already missing a senior centreback then you can’t afford to hold the other back (if things are really going bad) to get his form right. He has to play.

Aurelio is the most irritating of all. I can’t blame him for getting injured but I really want to. Insua became our starting left back (where Dossena has disappeared I don’t know), and his inexperience has cost us 3 goals that I can think of (not necessarily prem goals though). Its become a bit too common for my liking to see strikers surging past a lackadaisical Insua as he jogs back to his line. I believe this will go away with experience, but it is costing us now. Another necessary sacrifice.

Johnson’s injury is a more debatable issue. Defending was never his strong point, but then the same is true of his replacement, Degen. Degen then gets himself sent off (harshly in my opinion, definite yellow, never a red), which means carra has to move who is already lacking form. We now have all three of our senior centrebacks in some form of disarray.

This is all hopefully old news now though. Johnson and Agger were patched up but playing against Everton. Carra looked solid and Aurelio and Insua both did manfully.

It may sound sad to blame injury, but I believe in this case it’s true. We’ve got a bit of a reputation as perennial and habitual excuse makers which is unfortunately fair. However I see big things for this team in the future and I personally do not believe that Rafa should be ousted.

Go moderation!

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 1st, 2009 at 1:26 pm

Aquaman
Good post and if you look at alot of my previous post youll see alot of things in common. I agree about our left back. the brazilian always needs time to get to full fitness after injury.

Question
How do u put a picture by your post? The torress one I cant seem to find the feature

thanks

Aquaman - December 1st, 2009 at 1:29 pm

This will probably get lost in moderation, but I used a website called gravatar. Its pretty self explanatory when you get there. You can upload any picture you want.

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 2:07 pm

Chosen one- of course young players should get opportunity when there are injuries in their positions but nemeth and pacheco haven’t got a respective position on the pitch! We never play 2 strikers! It is also unbelievably rare for 2 players in the same position to be injured for any length of time. Rafa signed degen when we had darby just captained the reserve team to the title and when we had injuries to arbeloa, degen he tried mascherano there biggest disaster ever. This season he has moved carragher there over him. Only explanation i can see is he needs an attacking full back to accomodate kuyt out of position on the right. Babel and johnson both look quality on the right kuyt offers nothing there but automatic choice because to have an attacking full back you have to have a defensive midfielder lol… Wrong every other top club has attacking full backs and real wingers ahead of them. Notice you didn’t put down babel’s £12m price tag if you think rafa could get away with paying £18m on 2 players and leaving them in the reserves it just wouldn’t be allowed. End of the day you can’t argue the fact that rafa only plays 1 striker and 2 creative players, 3 if you include kuyt and when fit torres, gerrard, benayoun have those places locked. A young 2nd striker has no chance nor do any creative talent and not many strikers do fit the lone striker role ngog does better than nemeth but nemeth is a better player and rafa plays favourites with kuyt and lucas they have been in the team all season and have managed 2 assists between them and kuyt has scored a couple. Babel has done more in his cameos these are supposed to be creative positions on the pitch. Isaac…you are entitled to your opinion that rafa is the best man for the job i don’t think that i have seen his master plan for liverpool and i can’t stand it i grew up on king Kenny’s fantasy football with barnes, rush, beardsley tearing teams apart not expecting that but want to see a positive attacking style with creativity and balance-better managers available

Donavan Ried - December 1st, 2009 at 2:13 pm

Retryboy – December 1st, 2009 at 12:15 pm….. Good on you Retryboy…. No response is the best way to deal with him…… He chats more sh!t than Jed…. And at least Jed is entertaining …….

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 2:28 pm

In a 4-4-2 we could have Gk-reina RB-johnson LB-aurelio CB-carragher CB-agger CM-mascherano CM-gerrard LM-benayoun CF-torres CF-kuyt RM-babel then we have strength in depth back up team Gk-cavalieri RB-darby/kelly LB-insua CB-skrtel CB-kelly/ayala/san jose CM-lucas/spearing CM-aquilani LM-riera CF-ngog CF-nemeth RM-el zhar
Especially when we have to rely on a young striker like ngog playing alongside kuyt would make his job easier. Kuyt would be back where he belongs the good young talent could come through in the 2nd striker role. Babel given a chance on the right would be quality and if rafa could see past kuyt there would be better for all the players. Would be a lot better only needing one of aquilani/gerrard to be fit and as aquilani can play on the left too gives you options everywhere. Benayoun can always switch sides we could always field a strong team with that formation.

Donavan Ried - December 1st, 2009 at 2:32 pm

isaac hunt – December 1st, 2009 at 1:13 pm

retardboy……”anyone knows that the only reason we won the CL was rafa. obviously gerrard and carragher helped but they did not give the team talks or the inspired substitutions did they?”…….
isaac … Thats one way to look at it, but maybe it was due to the fact that A.C. sat back the second half because they where 3-0, and allowed us back into the game, maybe if we where playing Dietmar Hamann in the first place we might not have been 3-0 as it was him coming on made the real difference …….

All the A.C. players heads dropped after our third goal and what was the response from Rafa??? …….. Defend ….. Which allowed A.C. to come back into the game and nearly win it. If not for some last ditch defending from Jamie Carragher and Jerzy Dudek …..

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 2:47 pm

Donovan the following posts prove our point mate. that you can debate with people with differing views without childish insults mark g was happy when this site was all pro rafa now its 50/50 he has jumped ship rather than try and argue his point intelligently and chooses anonymous posting and answering his own posts lol at least jed puts his name to all his posts and isn’t that sad to invent supporters to his views. “yes Retryboy thats a good point”…”i agree Retryboy oh how do you do it” Lmao bloke needs help!

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 1st, 2009 at 3:10 pm

RETRYBOY your reply

Chosen one- of course young players should get opportunity when there are injuries in their positions but nemeth and pacheco haven’t got a respective position on the pitch! We never play 2 strikers! It is also unbelievably rare for 2 players in the same position to be injured for any length of time.

AGREED BUT ITS RAFS SYSTEM AND ITS THE SAME SYSTEM THAT GOT US 4 PTS FROM MAN UTD LAST SEASON/ wE HAVE 4 STRIKERS BUT NOT ALL 4 WILL PLAY. MAN ITS A FACT OF LIFE.

Rafa signed degen when we had darby just captained the reserve team to the title and when we had injuries to arbeloa, degen he tried mascherano there biggest disaster ever.

WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. RAFA MOVED GERRARD AS SUPPORTING STRIKER THAT WASNT A DISASTER. YOU WIN SOME YOU LOSE SOME M8

This season he has moved carragher there over him. Only explanation i can see is he needs an attacking full back to accomodate kuyt out of position on the right.

THERES ALSO THE REASON THAT SOME TEAMS PLAY DIRECT LONG HIGH BALLS AT US AND CARRAS EXPERIENCE WOULD HELP OUR DEFENSE MORE THERE.

Babel and johnson both look quality on the right kuyt offers nothing there but automatic choice because to have an attacking full back you have to have a defensive midfielder lol…

BABELS BEST POSITION IS ON THE RIGHT HOWEVER I DISAGREE ABOUT HIM OFFERRING NOTHING. HE WAS PART OF THE TEAM LAST SEASON AND SCORED SOME IMPORTANT GOALS. HIS DEFENSIVE PLAY AND WORKRATE IS EXCELLENT AND LETS BE HONEST LIKE I SAID BEFORE OTHER THAN OUR GOALIE AND TORRESS EVERYONE ELSE OF OUR SENIOR PLAYERS HAVE BEEN POOR THIS SEASON ON AVERAGE.

Wrong every other top club has attacking full backs and real wingers ahead of them.

YOU MEAN LIKE LIKE ROONEY PLAYING ON THE LEFT FOR MAN UTD LAST SEASON? OR ANELKA ALSO PLAYING ON THE WING AS WELL LAST SEASON. REAL WINGERS? IS THAT NOT THE SAME AS KUYT PLAYING ON THE RIGHT? BUT I SEE YOUR POINT

Notice you didn’t put down babel’s £12m price tag if you think rafa could get away with paying £18m on 2 players and leaving them in the reserves it just wouldn’t be allowed.

I DIDNT THINK RAFA BUYS WAS THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION. I THOUGHT IT WAS ABOUT THE YOUTH TEAM OR THE YOUNGER PLAYERS GETTING A CHANCE

End of the day you can’t argue the fact that rafa only plays 1 striker and 2 creative players, 3 if you include kuyt and when fit torres, gerrard, benayoun have those places locked.

WHY WOULD I ARGUE THAT MY FRIEND. ITS BEEN A TRIED AND TESTED METHOD. IT WORKED LAST SEASON . CAN YOU ARGUE THAT?

A young 2nd striker has no chance nor do any creative talent and not many strikers do fit the lone striker role ngog does better than nemeth but nemeth is a better player and rafa plays favourites with kuyt and lucas they have been in the team all season and have managed 2 assists between them and kuyt has scored a couple.
THE MANAGER CHOOSES THE TEAM AS LONG AS WE WIN BUT TRIED AND TESTED. LAST SEASON OUR 2 MIDFIELD PLAYERS SCORED ON 3 LEAGUE GOALS WITH ALONSO CREATING MORE ASSISTS. THAT WAS ALL SEASON AND WE STILL WAS 4 POINTS BEHIND UTD. I DONT THINK ITS AS RELEVANT RIGHT NOW BUT POINT TAKEN.

Babel has done more in his cameos these are supposed to be creative positions on the pitch

THAT IS DEBATABLE LOOKING AT HIS ALL ROUND PLAY

good post i must say m8 some cool points but im on rafas side on this.its his choice who he plays if he messes up at the end of the season hes out. till then with his mistakes i just want wins with our full team injury free, Thats what illl judge him on not whether wanna bee spice booys wanna be in the team or not.

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 5:26 pm

Ooh its mark g or is it james lol or could it be anon. Jog on you useless fukwit you can’t keep hurling insults anonymously, try and get people to leave the forum, refuse to acknowledge anyone elses point of view, constantly get personal with people then come back telling us how to post with some attempt at moral high ground jog on u yankee prik!

mark g - December 1st, 2009 at 5:51 pm

Even with your limited intelligence, you should have noticed that:
1. I sign my posts
2. and support Aquaman’s and Paul’s points of view. Up to this point you were just thick. Now you are also paranoid. Why is is so difficult for you to acknowledge, that your contributions are seen by many on this forum as lacking in class, style and wisdom.
Soon, when our injured boys are back, and we continue our march upward you will be out of audience. And trust me if you ever write anything remotely wise (fat chance) I will acknowledge it.

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 1st, 2009 at 5:53 pm

RETRYBOY OR ANYONE

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO PUT A PICTURE ON MY POST.
GOD IVE ASKED 1000 TIMES

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 5:54 pm

Chosen one have to agree to differ otherwise keep going around in circles its not playing the 4-5-1 when everyone is fit i disagree with its when torres is unavailable and there is a big difference when alonso picks up a ball in midfield he knows where its going and whether its 40 yards or not it gets there. Lucas slows down the attacks because his range of passing is not in the same league and he goes sideways or backwards more often than not. Anyway proof of the pudding is in the results so far. We didn’t have bad injuries at the start of the season but the performances were just as bad. I don’t think we can afford to keep rafa till the end of the season because i don’t think we will make top four with him. Another manager(Mancini is my pick) with this set of players i think we can and keep players like babel and nemeth, get the best out of gerrard again, think lots of players would like the team to be picked on talent and form not favourites or past or to fit the system. Anyway thats my view respect your opinion and have always said would be happy to be proved wrong and would be the first to hold my hands up if i was haven’t seen any evidence yet i am. The other side of the european coin is if we win its down to rafa if we lose its down to injuries, the owners, the squad and i don’t think anyone is slating one of the greatest achievements in our clubs many we are just dealing with now and whats happened since.

mark g - December 1st, 2009 at 6:07 pm

Retryboy, even with your limited intelligence, you should have noticed that::
1. I sign all my posts with my nick;
2. and support most points of view of Aquaman’s, Paul’s, the Chosen One, Kop Kings, James and many, many others.
Up to this point you were just thick. Now you are also paranoid. Why is is so difficult for you to acknowledge, that your contributions are seen by many on this forum as lacking in class, style and wisdom.
Soon, when our injured boys are back, and we continue our march upward you will be out of audience. And trust me if you ever write anything remotely wise (fat chance) I will acknowledge it.

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 6:08 pm

Chosen one gravatar.com

...samlfc.... - December 1st, 2009 at 6:54 pm

After being on here for more than 4/5+ months i have decided to take a hiatus because of a few reasons
A) i need to get better again thanks to a leg injury thanks to a basketball game
B) i feel like that i don’t have anything to say no more (i don’t know why but i do feel like that)

I will make some appearances (Match days or when an article comes up which i know i can talk about) and i’ll visit this site every now and then
To some this will be great news to others it will be bad news. So speak soon guys

...samlfc.... - December 1st, 2009 at 6:58 pm

After being on here for more than 4/5+ months i have decided to take a hiatus because of a few reasons
A) i need to get better again thanks to a leg injury thanks to a basketball game
B) i feel like that i don’t have anything to say no more (i don’t know why but i do feel like that)

I will make some appearances (Match days or when an article comes up which i know i can talk about) and i’ll visit this site every now and then
To some this will be great news to others it will be bad news. So speak soon guys !!

...samlfc.... - December 1st, 2009 at 7:00 pm

After being on here for more than 4/5+ months i have decided to take a hiatus because of a few reasons
A) i need to get better again thanks to a leg injury thanks to a basketball game
B) i feel like that i don’t have anything to say no more (i don’t know why but i do feel like that)

I will make some appearances (Match days or when an article comes up which i know i can talk about) and i’ll visit this site every now and then
To some this will be great news to others it will be bad news. So speak soon guys !!

(why does my comments always get moerated)

mark g - December 1st, 2009 at 7:07 pm

Retry boy: You said: ” Anyway thats my view respect your opinion and have always said would be happy to be proved wrong and would be the first to hold my hands up if i was haven’t seen any evidence yet i am” . I’ll take it up on this.
In the same post you also said:
“We didn’t have bad injuries at the start of the season but the performances were just as bad”.
Well, we played without Agger for start, and he was terribly missed in this and many consecutive games.15th minute, Carra and Skrtel headbutted each other, Skrtel (concussion) eventually replaced by a kid, Ayala. Aurelio did not start due to injury. Riera injured as well. Stevie G. was a question mark until last moment, due to the groin injury, that eventually sidelined him. Torres was far from fit after playing for the national team. So it is hard to call this collection a healthy team. And of course it went downhill from there.
I suggest to check the facts, before you make another sweeping statements.
I never realized how easy it is to make you happy.

Retryboy - December 1st, 2009 at 7:19 pm

Mark g at 6.54 you seriously need some councilling what a plan ‘james’ gets to throw the insults and mark g just talks football now ha ha priceless!! Tell me is it raining on your planet?

mark g - December 1st, 2009 at 7:22 pm

James:
Thanks for reappearing, after your previous post, Retry boy accused me of writing under your name, just a bit paranoid I’d say.
Not surprisingly, I like your posts, and I hope to see many more to come.
Also, my post at 5:51 pm today was a response to one that came from the perfect embodiment of concept of fairness, objectivity, and football knowledge, and the lover of all things spanish – Mr. Retry Boy.

dave - December 1st, 2009 at 7:32 pm

yes mark g agree with your last post,retryboy talks crap,great posts by paul and aquaman.

james agree what you said about these 2 being clueless.
and isaac hunt spot on when he said liverpool could do without fans like retryboy and kermit.

mark g - December 1st, 2009 at 7:38 pm

Retryboy, your paranoia (a psychological disorder characterized by delusions of persecution or grandeur, in your case it is both ) is growing. How about, admitting that you are prone to making big, brave statement based on your imagination, faulty memory or wishful thinking. Reminding you what you said at 5:54 pm earlier today: ” Anyway thats my view respect your opinion and have always said would be happy to be proved wrong and would be the first to hold my hands up if i was haven’t seen any evidence yet i am”.
So where is that hand? Put your balls, if you have any, where your mouth is.
Otherwise, I assume you are an invented character, and call you the Ali G. of our forum.

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 1st, 2009 at 7:49 pm

Retryboy
thanks im just trying to work it out now.

...samlfc.... - December 1st, 2009 at 8:13 pm

I have 3 posts which are almost dentical so sorry when they come out

...samlfc.... - December 1st, 2009 at 8:15 pm

After being on here for more than 4/5+ months i have decided to take a hiatus because of a few reasons
A) i need to get better again thanks to a leg injury thanks to a basketball game
B) i feel like that i don’t have anything to say no more (i don’t know why but i do feel like that)

I will make some appearances (Match days or when an article comes up which i know i can talk about) and i’ll visit this site every now and then
To some this will be great news to others it will be bad news. So speak soon guys !!

(why does my comments always get moderated)
(Third time lucky lol)

Aquaman - December 1st, 2009 at 8:39 pm

Heh. Sorry, Chosen One. I did reply about the pic but it got high-jacked by the moderators. Glad that you’re sorted now.

Mark G. An interesting point about South America. We do also have Lucas of course, but he wasn’t youth so fair enough. Personally I think that leaving South Americans where they are until they have developed is a good approach. There’s a fanatical football culture there and they seem to generate superstars like South Africa does criminals (I’m from the country so I’m allowed to say it).

You do definitely have a point about the scouting though. Once they are developed then we need to get some. If you ever catch a couple of the South American league games then you will see that there is talent overflowing from every team. At the same time this does not necessarily mean that these players will work in England (ala Anderson and Lucas. Even Tevez to a degree).

I really can’t comment honestly about players outside the prem as I just do not have enough hours in the day to keep up. Wish I did, but I couldn’t even tell you if Alonso is playing well at Madrid.

As far as our defense goes, I actually think we’ll be ok. Things are not good now, but we can’t really warrant making changes in the summer. If we were to buy then I’d get another more secure right back (I like Degen more than most, but he is even less dependable in defense than Johnson. Dammit, why did Alvaro have to leave!) to act as Johnson’s backup. Retryboy will hate me for saying this. Kelly and Darby are too young to be relied on. They should be getting more cameos, I agree, but nothing more.

If we were to get another centreback then who would we sell? Don’t say Kyrgiakos because that is not fair. A lot of people have expected him to fail because he cost us so little and is old. I remind those about how much Sami cost us (2 mil). As for his age, I believe that he is just here to bridge the gap until either we buy a shawcross or someone in the summer, or a youngster cements himself in a year or two. Hopefully the latter.

Leftback, I think we are fine as long as we stop injuring our wingers.

Our defense will come right as soon as they’re all fit and we get a few clean sheets in a row. Even dodgy ones like the one against Everton will do. In fact they may even be better because the players will go to sleep thinking ‘Gee, they really put us under pressure and still didn’t score.’ This will raise confidence and push them onwards.

Once again I have turned a simple point into an essay. Sigh.

Aquaman - December 1st, 2009 at 8:50 pm

Hehe. Forgive me, I meant “we can’t really warrant making changes in january.” Since I’m a Southern Hemisphere resident its actually summer now. Its pretty confusing.

...samlfc.... - December 1st, 2009 at 8:52 pm

well after about an hour and a half of waiting for my posts to come through i thought i’ll do a brief rundown on what they say
i’m having a hiatus from COS as i feel as if i have nothing else to say no more although match days i might be on though
so yeah you’ll get me details when the post come through lol

...samlfc.... - December 1st, 2009 at 8:54 pm

SORRY EVERYONE!
all identical so read one and and not the others lol
like i said sorry everyone

Aquaman - December 1st, 2009 at 8:57 pm

Sorry to hear that …samlfc… I for one will miss your insight. Hopefully it won’t be long before we hear from you again. I do know what you mean though. When it comes to speculation articles and rants there really isn’t much to say that hasn’t been said already. I find replying to other people’s comments a lot easier and more enjoyable.

Anyway. Get well soon (Perhaps the LFC plague is spreading to the support base as well!). Don’t be a stranger.

Donavan Ried - December 1st, 2009 at 9:03 pm

anonymous – December 1st, 2009 at 4:46 pm …….

Is this post for real???? ……….

You talk about your True loyalty and support, and slate anyone that you think betrays that ethos, yet you have slagged off the owners in the past. Is that not disloyalty to the club???
You claim that, in your words ……”Retryboy, your paranoia (a psychological disorder characterized by delusions of persecution or grandeur, in your case it is both)….. Yet you launch an attack on Retryboy with these words…… “It is another to have a retarded, delusional bent, according to which the manager is slow, stupid, an idiot, slow to make changes, playing wrong people, sending wrong players on loans, not playing our fantastic young talents, buying always wrong players, being outcoached by such paragons of managerial excellence as Allardyce and others.”……

“The wild attacks are likely related to the frustrations and anger some may feel,and is probably unrelated to LFC. It is linked to feeling unhappy about themselves and own limited success in life.”………

Truth be told if I had to live my life again there are things that I would have done differently. So would everyone else I suspect.
But unhappy about myself and my own limited success???…… Nah…
That would depends on what you deem as success…….

You posted here once saying that Rafa was a noble man….. So you consider that being noble is running to the press talk board business?
Or blaming losses on injured players or the ref?
Or the complaining about the lack of money you have?
Or going on a rant because of something another manager says (A.F)?…..
And never taking reasonability for losses even when it is obviously your fault? ……

You have some strange Idea of Nobility……

You’re so full of it……

You don’t respect anything anyone says if it does not conform to your views of Rafa and LFC…….

Carry on spouting “In Rafa We Trust” if it allows you to sleep better at night …..
We will continue to debate Football and what we think is best for LFC here on this site…. Most of us may not always agree with one another but we will chose to debate our points rather than insult one another

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 1st, 2009 at 9:16 pm

sorry i never signed in
above two posts are mine

Donavan Ried - December 1st, 2009 at 9:17 pm

Retryboy – December 1st, 2009 at 2:47 pm …… “chooses anonymous posting and answering his own posts lol at least jed puts his name to all his posts and isn’t that sad to invent supporters to his views. ” ……Real sad

THE CHOSEN ONE – December 1st, 2009 at 5:53 pm

RETRYBOY OR ANYONE

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO PUT A PICTURE ON MY POST.
GOD IVE ASKED 1000 TIMES

You are such a lair CHOSEN ONE you only asked981 times. I know I counted them ……

Donavan Ried - December 1st, 2009 at 9:29 pm

…samlfc…. – December 1st, 2009 at 8:15 pm …. Will be sad to see you go, but your young get out there and live. …… But don’t hang about with wasters ……
Also pop back from time to time, will be nice to here from you …. Take care My little friend ….. I wouldn’t try to steal your bird while your gone …LOL

Aquaman - December 1st, 2009 at 9:45 pm

Interesting article anon (Registerearararararrrr! ). Thanks for drawing it to our attention. Still irritates me that he’s not at least appeasing the fans by giving Aquilani a few minutes per game. We can’t see the internal practice games so we only have his word for it. But if he went on the field to play, then we’d see it for ourselves. He’s not helping himself when the fans are a little edgy already.

Donavan. Greetings! I agree that things on this site are getting very personal and its completely unnecessary. Me and Retryboy have completely opposing views about youth policy but we are still able to have civil discussions about it. Name calling proves nothing and only hurts the one who hurls the insult.

Case in point, I haven’t read most of the comments on the last two articles because most of them were either mindless anons or handbag fights. Seriously guys! Just make your points calmly and reply in the same vein. Shouting just leads to louder shouting. Reasoned debate leads either to consensus or at least an agreement to disagree.

...samlfc.... - December 1st, 2009 at 9:57 pm

Last post from me for awhile and all i can say is….why does everyone need to get personal
THIS IS A FOOTBALL SITE! people agree and disagree all the time and if you do want to talk to someone personal…..be kind.

Thanks you Donavan and Aquaman for your posts along with others if they say anything

Speak again soon fellow Liverpool supporters and God bless

...samlfc.... - December 1st, 2009 at 10:01 pm

Last post from me for awhile and all i can say is….why does everyone need to get personal
THIS IS A FOOTBALL SITE! people agree and disagree all the time and if you do want to talk to someone personal…..be kind.
Thanks you Donavan and Aquaman for your posts along with others if they say anything and don’t worry i’ll be back and besides someone else will take my place soon enough

Speak again soon fellow Liverpool supporters and God bless!!!!!

...samlfc.... - December 1st, 2009 at 10:03 pm

My last Post in awhile is in moderation!

mark g - December 1st, 2009 at 10:03 pm

To SamLFC:
Get better soon!

To Aquaman:
1. About S.America: Aurelio was already in Spain, playing for Rafa, he knew his game. Generally, I am not thinking about 18 years old or younger kids, rather spotting the next budding superstars at the very early stage (20-22 yrs) , like Angel di Maria or Kun Aguerro that we missed on. This are and Africa are the most fertile grounds for players coming up that you can get at a resonable price, that could take us over the top. I appreciate most african kids are whisked away to euro academies early. Maybe after Paletta’s fiasco Rafa is a bit cautious or does not trust his scouts there.
2. Alonso is continuing at a very high level at Real. Saw his game against Atletico (I think), was spectacular, time and time opened the penalty area with incisive passes that cut (even Dr. Barnard would be happy with ) the soft underbelly of Atleti.
Against Barcelona, he was rather invisible. All in all, he is sorely missed!

mark g - December 1st, 2009 at 10:06 pm

To SamLFC:
Get better soon!

To Aquaman:
1. About S.America: Aurelio was already in Spain, playing for Rafa, he knew his game. Generally, I am not thinking about 18 years old or younger kids, rather hoping ourscouts can spot the next budding superstars at the very early stage (20-22 yrs) , like Angel di Maria or Kun Aguerro that we missed on. This and Africa are the most fertile grounds for players coming up that you can get at a resonable price, that could take us over the top. I appreciate most african kids are whisked away to euro academies early. Maybe after Paletta’s fiasco Rafa is a bit cautious or does not trust his scouts there.
2. Alonso is continuing at a very high level at Real. Saw his game against Atletico (I think), was spectacular, time and time opened the penalty area with incisive passes that cut (even Dr. Barnard would be happy with ) the soft underbelly of Atleti.
Against Barcelona, he was rather invisible. All in all, he is sorely missed!

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 10:20 pm

sack the fat spanish cunt

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 10:24 pm

benitez has to be the biggest idiot that has ever lived , he has used match fitness not to start aquilani for about a month now, yte on the lfc website he admits to playing gerrard three times during the last tens days with no training for three weeks prior to this, you make no sense benitez

rafa out

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 10:35 pm

chosen one woo stall the digger i am ranting because rafa uses match fitness as an excuse to keep aquilani on the sidelines and then admits on the lfc website that its been hard for gerrard havng to play threee matches in a row without any trainign in the three weeks prior to this#
so how the hell could gerrard have been match fit, and surely aquilani was a fitter option, grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
i wanna kill someone right baout now , and hes big fat spanish loooks like a waiter , taklks a load of bullshit and lies , contradicts himself all the time, makes no sense whatsoever

i think he doesnt have any faith in aquilani, thats the problem not match fitness and that is worrying thing for me, if he would trust a gerrard that hasnt played or touched aball in three weeks more for threee games in quick succession that an aquilani who is fit and chompng at the bit to get a game then i am worried

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 10:44 pm

in fact everything benitez is doing is pointing tothe fact that rafa has no faiht in aquilani,oh some will say he is protecting him, not wanting to put him under pressure for ebing our saviour, then i say rubbish, benitez doesnt trust him enough to be our saviour, if benitez believed he was really good enough or fit enough actually then he d be in
so how fit can a footballer get in one months solid trainign, certainly a lot fitter that someone coming back from injury, who hasnt trained in three weeks , i know that for certain,
rafa never has faith in his team , thats why he plays so defensive , he believes his team to be inferior, i am convicned of this, but unfortunatel as yyou all and i know , if our players were cut loose we d be bashing teams 5-2 and 6-3 every week sure we d concede some goals but we d be scoring bucketloads
i cna just imagine us with a front five of gerrard aquilani babel torres and riera or yossi, tearing strips off defenses, givng them nightmares, ive had enough , i ll take mancini at this stage

results arent so important to me, and i may be an odd football fan in this. the manner in which we go about things is all important win lose or draw, thats why the fans sing you ll never walk alone at the end of every match.
we should be playing the game how its meant to be played free flowing artistry, phsyical poetry, beauty an art form, played at speed and passed with blinding wit and deftness of touch, all of which are abundant in our attackers, abundant yet sadly underencouraged and neutralised under senor benitez, he curbs our attacking spirit.
man i am currently dusgusted, three months of rage all vented in one pure outflowing of emotion

Aquaman - December 1st, 2009 at 10:44 pm

Hehe. Reference to Dr Barnard was not missed. Nice one.

I get what you mean about Aurelio. In truth, I don’t know whether Rafa recruited him at Valencia, or where from if he did. At LFC I believe that Lucas was an experiment to do exactly that. He did win the same footballing accolade as Tevez in South America shortly before we nabbed him. He was touted as the next big thing. Sometimes things just don’t work out.

Africa is a completely different story. LFC seem to have no foothold there at all. This is a real shame though. The club is very highly regarded out here (second only to Man United’s trophies), and the kids out here would be there in a flash if Rafa came a-calling. Hope this happens soon. They must come down for the Vodacom challenge soon. We’ve had Man U (and they lost! Pahahah!) and Man city in the last two years. I want LFC next!

Africa is not a good place to learn football. It really sad but we just don’t have the finances or something. We’d be quite happy to ship our players to Europe. It gives the countries some exposure and encourages our governments to sponsor the leagues and academies. Please, take our youngsters! We need it as much as you want them.

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 10:47 pm

bascially as a club of liverpools stature we should be going out to win every game not nullify the oppposition, thats how big sam plays the game, because he does have an inferior team so its the only way he can play

i see the light and its mancini shaped or hiddink shaped , i justknow its not fat spanish and dull

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 10:48 pm

yeah but did you see the nigerian u 17 team play, they have some future stars in that squad

Aquaman - December 1st, 2009 at 10:57 pm

As I said earlier, I can;t really comment on players outside of the prem. African “soccer” really annoys me. This is partly because of South Africa’s vuvuzela infatuation and partly because the fans seem to be more impressed by showboating than actually winning the game. It’s one thing to show boat when you’re winning by three, but another to do it when you’ve just gone ahead in a tight derby game with half an hour to play. Madness!

Donavan Ried - December 1st, 2009 at 11:05 pm

Greetings Aquaman,…….
anonymous – December 1st, 2009 at 9:14 pm …. I believe that you save it to a file on the hard drive and load it from there ….. Kermit or …samlfc…. should be able to tell you how

kermit - December 1st, 2009 at 11:27 pm

to anon at 914pm
go to gravatar.com

Aquaman - December 1st, 2009 at 11:30 pm

heh, the anon at 9:14 is THE CHOSEN ONE who failed to log in. He knows that its gravatar (thats the website that Retryboy suggested). Its been a long time since I went to the site, but as far as I remember you need to apply it to your account or something.

Once the picture is set as active then it should show up here. I think…

dave - December 1st, 2009 at 11:37 pm

hector cuper brought aurelio to valencia after the 2000 olympics from sao paulo,he was sacked for finishing fifth and reaching the champions league final after beating the mighty leeds united in the semi.then replaced by benitez who won la liga in his first year in charge with aurelio scoring the 2nd in the penultimate game of the season.

mark g - December 1st, 2009 at 11:39 pm

well done dave!

dave - December 1st, 2009 at 11:50 pm

valencia also finished ffifth the following season then won la liga and the uefa cup the following season before benitez left for liverpool.claudio ranieri sacked by chelsea replaced benitez and managed to finish outside the european places with valencia,whilst european cup winning manager mourinho took over chelsea with millions to spend and were beaten by our unfancied team on the way to benitez bringing us our fifth european cup.mourinho had also won the uefa cup the year before winning the european cup.maybe we can get the europa league then champions league next season.whilst benitez was in charge of valencia they were far too good for arsenal and liverpool

Retryboy - December 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 am

Lmao right mark stop talking to yourself! ‘James’ an apparent newcomer to the site appears at 1am ” both riera and benayoun were recovering from hamstring problems”…mark g on the highlights thread”both riera and benayoun are not 100% coming back from hamstring injuries.” “lack of knowledge and understanding of the game.” you put that in every single post when you are arguing for months! “i suggest you join a decent forum where you can see real fans”
5 mins later mark g appears “james what do you recommend as a decent forum.”
You then forget you are supposed to be answering as james and answer your own question as mark g! “the official site is a good one for starters” you then ask yourself another question “do you mean lfctv” you forgot to be james in the middle! Coupled with the other late night anon who appeared right in the middle to lend his support “agree with you james, Retry and kermit know nothing along with donovan” had to throw donovan in there the other old enemy “i don’t think they are scouse or english for that matter” now you know full well that we aren’t scouse mark as we know that you are american couldn’t possibly be mark g if he puts you aren’t even english at the end? Pathetically transparent and when you get slated today along comes james lol just gotta try and remember when you are supposed to be him when you are talking to yourself! Paranoia mark is when you are wrong.

kermit - December 2nd, 2009 at 12:22 am

rafa has until summer to sort it either way.
i will always have my pet peeves with him because he will never change them, he ll always wait too long to make substitutions.he will always have his bumchum players on the field while genuine talent sits on the bench, he will always love those that lick his arse the hardest

dave - December 2nd, 2009 at 12:33 am

whoever plays you will never be happy kermit,it is good at least two youngsters are now playing many games and gaining experience.you complain certain other youngster’s should be playing but it would be even worse if we had a team of unknowns.i am sure more youngster’s will be introduced next season.top flight football is a big step up from youth and reserve team football.

Retryboy - December 2nd, 2009 at 12:41 am

mark stop talking to yourself! ‘James’ an apparent newcomer to the site appears at 1am ” both riera and benayoun were recovering from hamstring problems”…mark g on the highlights thread”both riera and benayoun are not 100% coming back from hamstring injuries.” “lack of knowledge and understanding of the game.” you put that in every single post for months including the one at 2.46 in the same arguement as mark g not james “i suggest you join a decent forum where you can see real fans”
5 mins later mark g appears “james what do you recommend as a decent forum.”
You then forget you are supposed to be answering as james and answer your own question as mark g! “the official site is a good one for starters” you then ask yourself another question “do you mean lfc tv” you forgot to be james in the middle! Coupled with the other late night anon who appeared right in the middle to lend his support “agree with you james, Retry and kermit know nothing along with donovan” had to throw donovan in there the other old enemy “i don’t think they are scouse or english for that matter” now you know full well that we aren’t scouse mark as we know that you are american couldn’t possibly be mark g if he puts you aren’t even english at the end? Totally transparent and when i don’t let it go today along comes james lol just gotta try and remember when you are supposed to be him when you are talking to yourself! Paranoia mark is when you are wrong.

Retryboy - December 2nd, 2009 at 1:01 am

Dreaded moderation when my comment goes through you will see mark g and james are the same person not hard to prove at all. Will read the other comments tomorrow good luck in everything you do sam all the best mate.

mark g - December 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 am

I’m sure you will also prove that the earth is flat and you are related to the royal family. I suspect, that you are a new version of Ali G.

kermit - December 2nd, 2009 at 1:25 am

not true dave
give me this formation

—————————–reina———————–
johnson—–carra——-agger—-insua/dossena
———————–masch—————————
—————gerrard——aquilani———————
babel————torres——–riera/yossi

or my prefered one

back five the same
then

————————–masch———————–
———-aquilani—————–riera————-
————————gerrard————————
—————–torres———babel—————

either of those frmations is good for me

or i am equally happy with
same back five

——————-mascherano————————

kermit - December 2nd, 2009 at 1:29 am

sorry same back five

——————————-mascherano——————————–
—————-gerrard————————–aquilani——————
——————————–benayoun————————————–
———————–torres—————-babel————————-

with subs kuty skrtel dossena/insua,yossi/riera,lucas,ngog,cavalieri

note all thrrree formations has five predominantly attacking players designed to win games not stiffle the opposition

kermit - December 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 am

however even when aquilani is fit he will be used in a deeper position by benitez , i m one hundred percent sure of it

i like the idea of torres and babel up front either side of a man in the hole, and yossi gerrard or aquilani can play there , the pace of babel and torres will scare teams shitless , its a diamond formation with no out and out wingers, but very attacking fullbacks, in johnson and preferably dossena for me

kermit - December 2nd, 2009 at 1:34 am

kuyt is on the bench where he ought to be, as with lucas(whose best role long term will be the right hand side of that midfield diamond) , excellent squad players but not first team starters when everyone is fit.
debatable whether to use yossi or riera in some situations , but when both fit and laying well its a welcome headache selection

ad two attacking fullbacks makes seven attacking players, add a goalscoring centreback(one like hyppia that could be always relied upon to get a few goals from corners and set pieces) to that makes goals and threats coming from everywhere.

rafa will never play either of these systems, although he has the players to

kermit - December 2nd, 2009 at 1:39 am

and unlike retroboy i do not feel we have enough defensive midfielders, because if masch is out we are at a loss, lucas is not as good as him at mopping up , nor as good as gerrard or presumably aquilani going forward, he s more a bit of everything, thats why i say right hand side of a midfield diamnod long term. we could cope if someone came back to hold midfield with lucas it will presumably be aquilani asked to do this if masch is ever injured but that fucks the idea of one holding midfielder as lucas is not equipped to do that alone , mascherano is, and i think mascherano would be happier with it that way. then he is bossof defensive midfield ,something he revels in

Retryboy - December 2nd, 2009 at 4:32 am

Looking forward to yours/james response mark lol you could possibly try and say that you posting exactly the same things as this newcomer on the same day and all 3 of you appearing at the same late hour is some sort of telepathic divine force but how you are going to explain that you forgot to be james and signed his answer to you mark g? when its in black and white. Myself and donovan have told you many times you aren’t anywhere near as clever as you would like to think and you have again proved it spectacularly. Dave i don’t know who is worse him for creating a friend or you for talking to him lol you have always been a total fukwit anyway the fact that you want us to sell torres and play kuyt up front says it all. Love the way its always the in rafa we trust brigade that hurl insults and try getting some moral highground at the same time. I am far from negative i have so much belief in the squad and the youngsters and none in rafa to get the best out of them. The brigade will criticise everything liverpool on their way to justifying Rafa’s decisions support your club not rafa! And don’t dream of telling me how to support the club i have followed my whole life.

mark g - December 2nd, 2009 at 4:33 am

Retryboy; don’t quit you day job, if you have one, you would not last long as a private detective. You are delusional and paranoid, it’s amazing that you question that many of us on this forum find you short on manners, wit, style, football knowledge and character. You are not a prototypical LFC supporter, you are this blog’s heavy.(You have you posse here, they share your sentiments and prejudices, you should address your posts to them).
What happened to your promise from yesterday of acknowledging when you are wrong. I picked randomly one of your posts, proved to you in no time, that contrary to your assertion, we were not healthy when we started this season playing Tottenham and what happened, you turtled., disappeared. And then you tried to switch the subject by suggesting I write under assumed name. Why don’t you contact the editor of Caught Offside Mr. Apostolou, or James, either one of you can quickly dispel your doubts. As I said yearlier, I only respond to your personal attacks, otherwise I ignore your posts. And that’s my final word.

mark g - December 2nd, 2009 at 4:42 am

Kermit, is Lucas as good as he can get already, or can we expect further progress. 2-3 years down the road is he going to be “a poor man’s Mascherano” or a solid utility player, that can play reasonable well both up and down the field?

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 am

THANKS GUYS RETRY BOYS AND CO.

GOT THEIRIN THE END!!!

Retryboy - December 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pm

Told you it wasn’t hard to prove mark/james like i said at the time you did it will carry on discussing the football with real people not creations of your fukt up mind.

Donavan Ried - December 2nd, 2009 at 4:37 pm

THE CHOSEN ONE – December 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 am ….. NOW THAT’S A PICTURE CHOSEN ONE …..

Donavan Ried - December 2nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm

mark g – December 2nd, 2009 at 4:33 am…… I think that it is quite evident to see just who it is that is “short on manners, wit, style, football knowledge and character” …. But as most things escape you I will tell you…. It’s You markg….

“, you are this blog’s heavy.(You have you posse here, they share your sentiments and prejudices, you should address your posts to them).”…… Again a description that describes you better anyone else here as you past post will a test to that …..

Retryboy, Kermit and I do not always see eye to eye on football matters, but we will debate and listen to the others points of view which may or may not result in a change of opinion. But we listen instead of belittling and insulting one another…I think you would do better hopping back on that plane from Mirabel airport Toronto back to Jose Marti International Havana and get drunk, maybe find yourself

Donavan Ried - December 2nd, 2009 at 5:53 pm

kermit – December 2nd, 2009 at 1:39 am ……
KERMIT,KERMIT,KERMIT…….. IT’S RETRYBOY,RETRYBOY ….. NOT RETROBOY …..LOL

Retryboy - December 2nd, 2009 at 6:40 pm

Donovan typo there mate should read “maybe by yourself” not “maybe find yourself” lol easy mistake to make…retroboy

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 2nd, 2009 at 10:03 pm

Donavan Ried
thanks m8
used photoshop and designed it myself

Donavan Ried - December 2nd, 2009 at 10:17 pm

Retryboy – December 2nd, 2009 at 6:40 pm….

No I meant for him to “find Himself”…To Find the true Mark G ….. Just like you would find your “Inner Child” ……
BUT your would read a lot funnier and be more appropriate he would be getting drunk with James…LOL
Damn wish i would have thought of that one! …… lmao

mark g - December 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 pm

Hello James:
Thanks for your statement. As you can see those two half wits have been accusing me of creating your posts. I am glad you noticed and took this action. Retryboy, the main culprit , claimed a couple of days ago, he always acknowledges when he is wrong, he did not yesterday when I proved to him one of his posts was totally inaccurate. Instead, he disappeared, and then started to posts these libelous accusations. We will see what happens now, I expect apology. The other one Donovan Ried, does what he’s told, poor puppy.
I live in Toronto, Canada, hope one day we can meet at Anfield.
YNWA

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 am

THE CHOSEN ONE – December 2nd, 2009 at 10:03 pm ….You did? …. Way to go mate

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 12:53 am

Retryboy….. Have you seen the post that James/Mark Post and replied to himself…..December 2nd, 2009 at 10:31 pm, December 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 pm…..LMAO…
If there was a James, MarkG He would have noted two things from my post….
“I think you would do better hopping back on that plane from Mirabel airport Toronto back to Jose Marti International Havana and get drunk, maybe find yourself”

(1) Toronto Canada
(2) You Flew to Cuba

The fact that you explained that you are from Toronto say either you think James is stupid or he is a figment of your imagination ….

Hey I could be wrong ….. About were you flew from that is Not about James ….and you flew from the States…? LOL

Retryboy - December 3rd, 2009 at 12:54 am

Mark you just don’t know when to quit! You signed a post that was supposed to be from james as mark g!! You used the exact same sentences in his posts as your own! He only appears to try and dispel the fact we know he is you! 3 other stories on the go and james comes on specifically to quash this and doesn’t comment on anything else disappears back into your warped brain cell! You know full well that myself and donovan can’t get to the games so this is hopefully the last act of a desperate man you are an embarrassment to yourself. You got found out, get over it!

Retryboy - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:21 am

Donovan i am still laughing mate psychiatrists would have a field day! See he has reverted to type on the klinsmann thread as well telling people that disagree with him to shut up. Tune in tomorrow for more on mark g’s mental breakdown my prediction is more posts from ‘james’ on different threads now i have pointed that one out and some views that mark g wouldn’t come out with just to be even more predictable but who can tell lol

kermit - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:24 am

ma\rk g , is lucas as good as he is gonna get and wil he be a poor man s mascherano
no to the first question, he will definatelty improve#
and he will never be anything likemascherano , he a naturally way more attack minded player than we have seen under benitez, i think the right hand side of a midfield diamond would be his best position at the moment, he needs a greater license to attack than he is allowed as a holding midfielder, check his stats from when he played in brazil , this kid loved scoring goals and spectacular goals at that, so benitez takes that from his game , ie what every goalscorer thrives upon , fan s adoration, this is bound to sink his cnfidence, he went from golden boy of brazilian football , to defensive minded player with the reigns on him held so firmly he couldnt attack couldnt bang them in from 25 yards.
his confidence dips furtheer he is away from home questioning his decision to coem to england in the first place , he s homesick, constantly berated by supposed fans, but he didnt quit, he adapted his game , learned how to tackle and track back, something not natural to him in order to get a game in a liverpool shirt, and now his confidence is building slowly he is solid if not spectacular , surely fearful of the backlash any time he might make a mistake, he needs this solid platform to add the spectacular to his game
i really admire lucas for his character more than anything, i think if every fan got off his back and he manages to get a feww goals and the manager gives him more license to get forward we could have an amazing midfielder on our hands.
is there room for lucas to improve i would say bucketloads, give him time to stabilise and win the fans over through solid performances and as his confidence builds so willhis abilty to shine come to the fore, i predictreally big things for lucas, i see massive potential in him, future captain of both liverpool and brazil is not beyond him, and i know most ignorant unthoughtful football fans will think i am mad for thinking this, but i truly believe that given the right support encouragement and freedom to we could have eventually one the games greats on our hands , possibly even good enough to rival gerarrds feat and dare i say it possibly even better

kermit - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:25 am

i am fully aware i am putting myself out there for ridicule but this is how much i believe in lucas

kermit - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:31 am

his acheievement in brazil at the age of 19 were equivalent if not better thna anything gerrard had done in a liverpool shirt at that agenow he has had to make huge adjustments for someone so young, he never lived away from home before he moved continent , never suffered abuse at the hands of his own fans, the football in england is faster , more adaptation , he didnt know any english when he came to liverpool, so many things for him to deal with , now he starts to grow and mature n=into a more defensive minded player under benitez , i would like to see benitez unleash his attacking threat more, he can head the ball, he attacks the ball well in the air , his confidence is low and his will to follow through ie his conviction not being fully there is understandable given the abuse he has received from some quarters of the liverpool support.
he is building slowly, he has won a lot of fans over this season. i have been his fan since the day he signed and will be intil the day he leaves and prob will still wish him well after.

now thats enough dont get me started on ryan babel

kermit - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:33 am

surely people must have noticed how as his cnfdence grew he started to pop up in goalscoring positions, he didnt score , due to some fine saves and some misses, but let him step to the level where he pops up and scores hears the anfield crowd signing his name , then you will see the fruition of lucas, only then will his star shine brightly enough

mark g - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:37 am

Retryboy:
You are beyond the pale. I guess it is difficult, if not impossible, for you to admit when you are wrong, despite your declarations otherwise. You are really paranoid, if you continue to absurdly maintain your silly story, despite James contacting you directly on our blog. Call him, he left his info in his post. ( If I wrote these posts, then you are a drug dealer or user).

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:38 am

Retryboy – December 3rd, 2009 at 1:21 am Best Laugh that i have had in weeks… still Lmao ….

mark g - December 3rd, 2009 at 2:32 am

Kermit, you have enough here for your first article for Caughtoffside.com….

kermit - December 3rd, 2009 at 4:30 am

lol ‘ mark g, no point mark g if i wrote what i truly think of lucas s potential i would expect ridicule without question, just like the man himself

THE CHOSEN ONE - December 3rd, 2009 at 6:59 am

kermit

just read your male about lucas. I agree totally and if im honest for home games if rafa plays him at anchor man at times it makes us more attacking minded because he is a naturally offensive player. I see that as he best position in the future to convert us to a more offensive team.
Thats why if I was offerred 35 mil for masch id let him go for the good of the team and use the money to reinforce other key positions due to lack of funds. Just my opinion. Lucas is playing good but I think he plays better in a deeper role letting a more creative player for now player in front of him and thats what I think rafa will do if our argy Masch goed.