Liverpool to Make Move for Incredibly Stupid Rafa Replacement? I Hope Not!

Retryboy - December 2nd, 2009 at 9:54 pm

This isn’t even a rumour its someone saying nothing about a rumour that hasn’t even been circulating. Excuse for the media to drag up some old dirt on h&g as they haven’t had any for a while. If rafa was to go klinsmann wouldn’t be near the list. I want Mancini in as most people know if o’neill could be tempted away from his project(debatable) he would be a good call and van basten would be my 3rd choice. Haven’t forgiven mourinho for the stuff he said about us at chelski and we want someone who would be commited to a long term project and be able to work in a budget as well as play good football so would definitely have 1-Mancini 2-O’Neill 3-van basten

Donavan Ried - December 2nd, 2009 at 10:00 pm

Just get someone who plays attacking football pleaseeeee ….LOL

kermit - December 2nd, 2009 at 10:01 pm

no to klinsmann yes to capello in the summer

Dirty Sanchez - December 2nd, 2009 at 11:30 pm

Hell no!! After Klinsmann’s success at Spurs he should have learned his lesson and stay far away from English football. At least for the sake of us who enjoy English football.

Though not chuffed with the team’s performance it’s too easy to lash out at the manager. I think Rafa has taken the club forward and should not be replaced with someone who is not capable of bringing further progression.

Only managers I can think off would be Hiddink or Capello.

mark g - December 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 am

Monstao1:
Don’t speak, unless you can improve on the silence.

Retryboy - December 3rd, 2009 at 12:20 am

Its true monsta01 the longer we wait the more damage is being done. If a quality manager came in now would give the club the lift needed to make fourth at least. The longer rafa stays the more players want out. Gerrard was again sounding disillusioned saying about how he has never won a league title. No creative player has a chance with Rafa’s system its terrible to watch and doesn’t get results. He seemed to let the players off the leash for parts of last season and we got results. but always he reverts back to negative play and 3 attacking players if we are lucky in a team. We have a great squad and its being wasted, great young attacking players want out like babel, nemeth and Eccleston because they will never get a chance with Rafa’s favourites and lack of creativity in his teams.

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:19 am

anonymous – December 2nd, 2009 at 10:13 pm ….Mike …..”Maureen-o is the king of negative football. “He took an already accomplished Chelsea side, added a few world class players and won the league twice”……

Before Jose Mourinho Chelsea were a F.A. Cup side Mourinho took them to the next level…..
You say that he “added a few world class players” Drogba was not world class at the time Mourinho brought him, nor was Carvalho,Essien, Kalou,Ferreira,Cech,Mikel and look what Jose Mourinho did for Joe Coles career. …….Not only is he a great manager but he instils a Winning mentality in his players

kermit - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:44 am

move rafa ustairs to director of football and hire a new first team manager to work under benitez

Retryboy - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 am

Sorry donovan but essien cost 25m and was Footballer of the year for the french league before signing, Carvalho 20m and was voted best defender in the champions league the year before signing. Cech was in the all stars of euro 2004 and ranieri signed him. Kalou and mikel are still nothing special Drogba still cost 24m and was hardly an unknown. He definitely bought success at chelsea but as we have seen with city it takes someone that can unite a dressing room, instill a winning mentality. Yes he also played attacking footballish would get 2 goals up and shut up shop nothing wrong with that. Also like the times when he got it wrong remember him changing formations half way through the first half or personnel. Its just whether he would be in for a long term project, what he is like without a blank chequebook i assume he didn’t have one at porto though and forgiving him for his bravado about our club which was part of his instilling a siege mentality at his own club but hard to forgive.

Retryboy - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:54 am

Kermit- rafa would never take anything less than 100% control he has battled long and hard for it keane and alonso victims of that battle.

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:54 am

Retryboy – December 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 am ……. WOW!… Told me….. LOL

kermit - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:58 am

then give him control of the club , not the first team.
let him be involved in scouting and youth systems and financial matters involving players because he has a good eye for players i think , he just doesnt know how to get the best out of them, then emply some one preferably younger to run the first team, someone with whom he can come to agreements on about incoming transfer dealings, but let the actual managing of the first team out to someone else

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 2:18 am

Retryboy i’m going to have to stop posting to markg as he can’t handle me ….. tripped him up in the past ….. He thinks people are stupid, begining to thing he has not been to Cuba, but maybe James has …. LOL

kermit - December 3rd, 2009 at 4:31 am

i dont wan t rafa to leave to a stupid replacement , but yes i would rather we signed capello after the world cup

Aquilani4goals - December 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 am

I know rafa is not good enough but not klinsmann

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 1:46 pm

Afternoon Retryboy …..
Retryboy – December 3rd, 2009 at 1:49 am…. Said it before that Jose would love to get one over on Roman, by winning the title for Liverpool and especially in his first season so he could prove that his is indeed “The Special One”…. I also believe he would get the very best out of his players……
And I truly believe that he can instil that winning mentality

I think one thing that people tend to forget is the deal that Sky has in place concerning the football rights with the Premier League and how much the clubs are paid…… Finish 1st =£70m, 2nd =£60m, 3rd=£50m, 4th =£40m, 5th-20th =£30m

This helps provide money for the club to spend on clearing the debt so the further up the table after 5th place the money increases by £10m per place

So by finishing in a Europa League spot will cost us many, many 10’s of millions
So sacking Rafa right away and getting in to 4th and the Champions League would counter act the money that we would reportedly have to pay Rafa….

Been think about the whole MarkG/James thing and here’s how you can view it

(1)MarkG and James are indeed two different people and we are both wrong

(2MarkG and James are indeed the same person and Mark Does live in Canada

(3)MarkG and James is indeed the same person and James lives in Formby and Posts under the made up title for MarkG and has an online imaginary life where he lives and works In Toronto Canada and travels to places like Cuba…… This would explain why he is sure that James would meet you for that drink in ‘pool ….

This what I am not leaning toward with MarkG/James

Anyway spent way too much time on James will now try only to deal with football matters

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 3:32 pm

anonymous – December 3rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm …….

A really nice funny posts Thank you. Anonymous….…

It is great to have a break from all the seriousness sometimes …..

I especially like the part about me needing that said “a psychiatrist he really needs” ….. But as I have always told anyone how says that I am mad (and believe me when I say that’s a lot of people) I have never ever professed to being sane …..

Posts your name and add it to this …. It was great, thanks again
Ps. I’m sure all those mention will take it in the spirit it was meant

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 3:50 pm

anonymous – December 3rd, 2009 at 2:49 pm…. As a rule most of us do not reply to “anonymous” post…..

One for the reasons most of us here are anti Rafa concern that very point…… Most for us here were screaming at the tops of our Voice that a “quality” second striker was needed that could play along side Torres and by himself upfront if needed ….The likes of Voronin, N’gog and Babel(Not really given the chance) are not good enough …. The fact that we could all see this and Rafa could not….. Plus negative, and questionable tactics, poor choice of starting player( Not due to injured players,poor,subs,Not taking the blame when he is wrong, his inability to learn from past mistakes, not trusting the youngster and playing them, and after spend £20.5m on Aquilani leaving him on the bench and claiming that he is not match fit …… Match fit, speaks for it self…. You need to play to become match fit … This is why a lot of supporters here have loss faith in Rafa

Retryboy - December 3rd, 2009 at 3:53 pm

Not that anonymous dave… On every Ynwa story you tell us that he posts the first 2 comments himself 18/11/2009 dave-the first 2 comments are always by Ynwa and are always a positive and a negative. You have done this ever since i have been on here and are the only one that has. So the “writes his posts, becomes anonymous and praises his own thing” part kind of gives it away. Good though and yeah take it in the right way people need to realise that even when they don’t log in things give you away, after reading peoples posts for months you get to know styles of writing, certain repeated points and phrases and if you are as stupid as mark g you forget you are supposed to be being someone else and sign the post from them mark g.

Retryboy - December 3rd, 2009 at 4:13 pm

Afternoon donovan…donovan he asked james a question as mark g and answered it as mark g!! There isn’t any doubt its in black and white! The only time james appeared after was to try and argue mark g’s corner didn’t comment on anything else. He just floats from one lie to another the other anon insults earlier on in the thread were by him too they weren’t getting answered so he wrote james on top and put in it the exact same things he had said the same day. Don’t waste any more time on the loser we have seen the same things from him before and like above instead of writing his own thoughts he tells someone to shut up. He hasn’t got any of his own thoughts. His brain cell has long since died of loneliness.

Retryboy - December 3rd, 2009 at 4:33 pm

Donovan as you saw most of my post ended up with positives for mourinho think its just the whole special one arrogance that stops me wanting him here would have him over rafa any day though and even the arrogance if he was here we would probably see as funny rather than the annoyance it is coming from the other side.

Aquaman - December 3rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm

Anon @ 2:09pm. Brilliant! Not sure if I want to start a war though… I’d prefer to start a lack of war. Great post, just lacks a name as Donavan said.

Donavan: I still blame our lack of a second striker on Rafa not being given Alonso’s money. Before Xabi left we had 20 mil in cash and only one weak area, up front. But when Xabi left then we had two, and only enough to buy a quality player in one. Let’s not forget that there’s also the money from our last striker to be sold, which has unaccountably gone missing.

Rafa has consistently spent around 40 mil every season, but was only ever given 20 mil from the club. This is just wrong. That means, as in last season, that even if he reaps 42 mil in sales, he will still only be allowed to spend 40 mill gross. Its one thing to argue about how this money is used, but this is ridiculous. What happens if Masch leaves over the summer? We’ll have 40 mil to buy a striker, a winger (both of which I want) and a replacement for Masch even if we sell him for 30.

I agree that Aquilani should be playing though. If only for 15-20 mins a game. If there were two words that I would use to describe Rafa’s tactics it would be overcompensating and concrete. A soggy pitch is not as awful as Rafa makes it out to be and almost certainly wouldn’t have crippled Aquilani when he’s been near fitness for a month. Then we have Rafa saying he doesn;t want to disrupt his midfield when they are working well. Sigh.

Aquaman - December 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm

To clarify: I don’t mind Rafa only being given 20 mil to spend. He seems to make it stretch well enough. My issue is with the 40 mil overall cap, which is present irrespective of sales.

Dirty Sanchez - December 3rd, 2009 at 5:32 pm

I think that YNWA is really Andriy Voronin trying to stir things up.
I also think that Ryan Babel really is Ryan Babel in real life.

At anon 2:09… nice post – have to agree that you should put a name to it. I’m new to this myself and posted anonymously the first couple of times.

Aquaman, you are right. It’s 1 step forward then 2 steps back. Now Gillett sold his NHL team turning a neat 300M profit we should have the transfer cap nudged slightly up. At least bring down the debt you put us in.

Or better yet, advertise in the Abu Dhabi Times for a new owner.

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm

Retryboy – December 3rd, 2009 at 4:33 pm ….. Hey …. was not being funny, just say this is why i would love to see Jose…. Know your a Mancini man yourself …… What can i say i like (a) Van Basten, (b) Mourinho (c) Guilit then (d) Mancini …..LOL
Would take anyone of these instead of Rafa

Sorry if you took what i was trying to say the wrong way ….. Have a tendancy to hold half the conversation in my head, think that i have said things when i have not, hence why i normally cut,paste and reply ….LOL

where are you?……. and have you told me before?…….

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 6:34 pm

Aquaman – December 3rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm …….

I can understand why Rafa excpeted being paid for Alonso in installment ….. Man Utd got the £80m in one lump sum ….. If we was going to be paid in installment then Rafa should have asked for £40m or £30 plus two players…….

I see and agree with your points about how much Rafa has to spend, but is that not the best reason to bring the Young Red through? …

The Aquilani Thing is what leads me to believe there is some thing still not right with him and the wool is being once again pulled over our eyes…

Retryboy - December 3rd, 2009 at 7:32 pm

Donovan didn’t take it as you being funny mate lol was just carrying on the jose discussion, haven’t said before but i am a devonshire dumpling…everyone is free to ridicule as they see fit, I won’t hear it through the straw in my ears anyway! Agree with aquaman that the Robbie keane transfer money never re-appeared but nothing is ever factored in about the amount of wages that the likes of voronin, dossena, degen, kyrgiakos, itandje and many more before them bleed out of the club for never playing. We have a much bigger squad than every other club and the trim has been needed for years we have better youngsters than these players so i think rafa should be expected to cut the squad size don’t mind paying youngsters wages as they progress but to pay 50k a week for an old player who never plays can’t be right.

Retryboy - December 3rd, 2009 at 7:55 pm

On another point great news that torres has got through a training session and is in the squad but should we really be risking him for Blackburn? They aren’t exactly a top side and we have arsenal coming up- ngog is doing well think he could do with kuyt up there with him personally for a physical battle but if you contrast how ready rafa is to risk him, gerrard, johnson, benayoun when needed surely aquilani needs to start now! Even if its further forward with gerrard dropping back

Dirty Sanchez - December 3rd, 2009 at 8:54 pm

Kermit, you must mean a demi-God surely.

If Lucas can keep up his current progression Rafa should allow him to polish Gerrard’s boots next season.

baggins09 - December 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 pm

has carra finished his coaching badges yet? get him in he’d be an awesome gaffa!

mark g - December 3rd, 2009 at 10:08 pm

Kermit, for the sake of our club and the kid in question, I hope he will do as well as you predict. Lucas has been playing against the background of hostile screams, never complained and kept on improving. It shows character. I thinks his defence is much better now, if he scores a couple his confidence will soar. He will be playing on a healthier team. He is still very young, I pray for his great future at Liverpool.

Donavan Ried - December 3rd, 2009 at 10:11 pm

Retryboy – December 3rd, 2009 at 7:32 pm…… “Devonshire dumpling” ….LOL Have never heard that one before ..,…
“We have a much bigger squad than every other club and the trim has been needed for years”….. Yes we need to cut the squad. To many players draining money out of the club and the youth not geting chances because of it as you have aready pointed out…..

Another thing we should do is when a player wants to come on a free; we should sign them for six months only. Then if they prove themselves offer a four year contract, that way we will hopefully not get suck with the Voronin’s and Degen’s of the world ….. If they won’t sign then they didn’t want to play for Liverpool FC in the first place

Dirty Sanchez - December 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 pm

I may be a little hard on Lucas but I do agree with Mark G. He has never complained, worked hard and always just got on with the job at hand to the best of his ability. He is young and will have a bright future ahead of him if he keeps at it.

But to state he will be a God is way over the top. There’s only one God in the Liverpool history. Bill Shankly – R.I.P.!

Dirty Sanchez - December 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 pm

At anon 10:32 pm

Maybe I’m a minority when I think it’s way over the top to state that Lucas is or – as Kermit did – will be a God… everybody is entitled to their opinion so I will stick with mine though opposed by the masses.

Now try to follow me here mate – I know reading and writing don’t come easy for you. I wrote: “But to state he will be a God is way over the top. There’s only one God in the Liverpool history. Bill Shankly – R.I.P.!”

Donavan Ried - December 4th, 2009 at 12:09 am

anonymous – December 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 pm
anonymous – December 3rd, 2009 at 10:32 pm
anonymous – December 3rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
anonymous – December 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 pm

These post are by MarkG/James from Formby…….. Sad little man ……

Still have not anwsered the question on how you got to Cuba.. ……
Did you go via the States or from Mirabel airport Toronto back to Jose Marti International Havana cause i’m betting neither ….. You live in fromby and you are james …. do I lie??

Dirty Sanchez - December 4th, 2009 at 12:10 am

I’m not doubting that Lucas has potential but I do not believe that he’s made of the same material as Pele, Maradona, Beckenbauer, Laudrup and the other great players of their time. In today’s football you have Messi, the c$nt Ronaldo who may join the elite group of football greats. But Lucas? I think not.

Lucas future star of Liverpool 5 years down the road – unlikely but possible. He has the attitude, work ethics and as you wrote yourself there are other valuable character traits in him. But character is not enough to make a great footballer alone. He is very young but has not shown the necessary quality to become a star – not to mention that he couldn’t score in Manchester with a Ronaldo hair do. But maybe he’s a late bloomer.

You don’t know where you’re going when you set out in life whether it’s in football or in your case ballerina dancer. You can only do your best to reach the goals you set for yourself. Lucas is doing his best and I respect that.

mark g - December 4th, 2009 at 12:25 am

There seems to be a perception, among many, that removing Rafa Benitez would cost LFC an arm and a leg. Really, let’s examine this theory. First, a few points about Benitez’s contract ( which of course I haven’t seen). I will speculate what it may contain, and assume based on public reports that Mr. B. has 4.5 years left on it, at or near 4.5 M /year.
Generally, when clubs fires their managers, ( with that many years left on a contract), the sides usually follow 3 different scripts:
1. they negotiate an agreement, that assures the manager of a full payment (or almost a full payment) as agreed in the original contract. In this case it would appr. 20M.
Depending on the wording of the original contract, and the negotiating strength of both sides:
a) the manager, is barred or not, from signing a contract with certain clubs (in our case probably Man Utd, City, Chelsea, maybe Arsenal and Everton) during the remainder of the original contract;
b) he is allowed to take an employment with another club (not on the list above), with permission or not of LFC, and the payments to him from LFC are adjusted down by the amount he will be making at the new club. So if he would take a contract ,almost immediately after leaving LFC, on the same terms (likely if he goes to Real Madrid) his departure would cost our club nothing. Rafa though could ask and get some payment (anywhere from 1-5M) for inconvenience. If he just sits out at home for 4.5 years (highly unlikely) this would cost again 20M. If he signed with a smaller club for let’s say 2 M/ year, we would still be paid the difference, i. e 2.5M for the next 4.5 years. (total 11M)
c) the sides may agree to tear the contract, pay Benitez anywhere from 10-15M on account of the original agreement and making him a “free agent” giving him right to sign with a new club. So under these scenarios the cost of removing Rafa Benitez from LFC promptly, could be as small as 1-2M and as much as 20 M. My guess , it would be somewhere between 5-10M.

mark g - December 4th, 2009 at 12:32 am

2) What then , you may ask, if it cost could be much less that widely quoted 20M, why are the owners not turning the lights off in Rafa’s office. First of all let’s remember that, say what you want, Messrs. Gillette and Hicks are sharp businessmen, who do not waste money unnecessarily. Although, there were moments of difficulties in their relationship with Benitez, it looks like a calm sea now.. Chris Purslow has been delegated to run the ship in facilitate the communications between owners and he seems to like and respect Rafa. There are no offers on the table for the club, that G&H want to accept. Mr. Gillette, just cashed in his ownership in the Montreal Canadiens, a famous ice hockey club.( Total profit – 300M CDN $). That increases probability that he as stronger partner, will either buy out or buy a controlling interest in LFC. In spite of some untimely public displays, Gillette enjoys a much better public image in the business community and is considered more trustworthy. Even if he becomes a majority partner, he would continue to keep positioned LFC for a profitable sale . Removing the manager would add to uncertainty and hurt this objective. But at least having one party in control would allow to continue streamlining LFC business structure, modernize our marketing and to become more profitable. We could then start realistically plan for the new stadium .Bottom line, as long as we are in contention for the Champions Cup for next year, do well in Europe Cup Rafa Benitez will likely remain the manager in the foreseeable future. Which would suite me fine, for those that might have missed it, I respect and support Rafa Benitez as a manager

mark g - December 4th, 2009 at 12:40 am

To all those who post the anonymous posts attacking others personally, has courage to at least sign it. Not to late now, be a man.
Donovan, you have been guessing incorrectly , you deserve a spanking for those idiotic james/mark g moronic accusations. But as I said many times I sign all my posts.

Retryboy - December 4th, 2009 at 11:55 am

Kermit…don’t worry about aquilani because lucas will be a god…sorry but aquilani has shown more creativity in his short sub app at arsenal than lucas has in a season. He hasn’t got the range of passing to link play and slows attacks down. Aquilani can spread play and his goal creating passes. Lucas and kuyt are just Rafa’s average favourites that take up the positions of more creative players and allow Rafa’s negativity to blossom. Not saying they are bad players especially kuyt who is played out of position to again fit the system but we have players who offer much more and would balance the side. Donovan just ignore anons/mark/james don’t see why you get to be manager though and i am the assistant! Is it continuity with facial hair? Have to look at the potential managers again 1-Mancini 2-O’Neill 3-van basten 4-Retryboy 5-mourinho 6-donovan reid… 98-jed 99-mark g/james

Donavan Ried - December 4th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

Morning Retryboy….
Retryboy – December 4th, 2009 at 11:55 am………… “Donovan just ignore anons/mark/james don’t see why you get to be manager though and i am the assistant! Is it continuity with facial hair? Have to look at the potential managers again 1-Mancini 2-O’Neill 3-van basten 4-Retryboy 5-mourinho 6-donovan reid… 98-jed 99-mark g/james”……. Whatttt!!!…..6Th???? I should at least be a head of O’Neill…LOL …

Yeahy he(they) keep posting little digs and i keep bitting…. Will stop and do as you say and ignore him(them)

Retryboy - December 4th, 2009 at 1:08 pm

If its any consolation you are still a long way above rafa lol its going to be strange playing on a saturday good for us though with Blackburns epic midweek nearly back to full strength as well should be able to get the convincing win to start building confidence for arsenal. Even if its just yossi coming in on the left for aurelio still adds that extra creative player and hopefully we will see our £20m man kick a ball in anger!

Donavan Ried - December 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pm

If only, But I feel Rafa will again not treat us to Aquilani, at Least not in the starting line up, might bring him on for 10-15 mins, but rather feel Rafa will play Lucas and Masch to try and counter support for Blackburn’s front men …. doesn’t seem to understand that the best way we can counter Blackburn’s support for the front men is for our midfield to have the ball and be attacking their back four…. Tough run for games coming up remains to be seen if we can make 4th spot, seem unlikely, but we all live in hope….

Retryboy - December 4th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

Afternoon to my assistant manager lol agreed we know what rafa will do as do the opposition what a contrast to when noone on the planet could predict a rafa team. In some ways i preferred that! At least it gave you hope of seeing the quality players left on the sidelines. Begs the question as at the likes of birmingham. This is Blackburn! Torres is worth more than their whole squad! Why should we play like its Barcelona in fear of what they can do. They should be quaking at having gerrard, torres, benayoun, aquilani, babel(know you aren’t a fan) all peppering the goal! Instead we will poke and prod and let them into the game and grow in confidence but we live in hope that rafa will realise this squad of his is actually pretty good and instill them with the mind set they can get goals. Like you rightly say you don’t have to worry about their midfielders getting forward if they are chasing gerrard and aquilani around. Their full backs won’t get forward if they have an attacking player to worry about.

Retryboy - December 5th, 2009 at 2:51 pm

Repetitive anon- i would need total control there would of course be a place on the staff for donovan but Retryboy is in the big office!!

bigmik - December 5th, 2009 at 3:03 pm

I wote this a few weeks ago and i still feel it is relevant.
I htink the man is bad for the clug.
He recently repeated how he was offered more money to go to another club. What does he want us to feel grateful?????????

I have been searching to find somewhere to put my words regarding the worse manager for Liverpool since the well meaning but poor decision making souness.

Yes I refer to the damaging RAFA!!

here is why
First the winner of the Champions Final was Stevie and Liverpool’s history oh yes as well as the rest of the team and the forgotten man who without we would have lost
I am talking about Jerzy Dudek.
This leads me to the first point
The number one rule in good management regardless of whatever business you are in be it sport or anything else is what is called Man Management- the last time I looked football players even though some go down too easy and some cheat Henry & ngog are after all still men.
So Benitez started by making sure after been the last person to touch the ball for Liverpool and win secure the win for the champions league he never touched a ball for Liverpool ever again- Thanks Jerzy but no thanks.
However maybe he wanted to be the strong boss and show he was in charge. Fair enough.
Next point I seem to remember Benitez ranted on about having to have a squad game and we need to build. So if I recall \Liverpool played over 100 games without fielding the same side. (I will come back to this- by the way Dossena has just come on instead of Aqulinni))The reason we need to rest players, it’s a long season so rest is essential.
Well let’s see what happens when we go back to poor man management in the name of I am the number 1 here no one else.
We bought Babel a young lad- he scores a great goal I think in only his second game for Liverpool against Derby sending two defenders the wrong way and his reward he never made the bench the next game
Let us look at Peter Crouch he scores a hat trick against Arsenal and the reward is next game he does not even make the bench!!

By the way aquliani has just come on in injury time!!

Back to crouch what is he to think- Liverpool clears the ball off the line against Debrechnen!!! Oh Shanks!!
So the message is don’t you dare score a hat trick son I am number 1.

So we lose crouch and buy Keane!! A player respected by most other players in the game and dare I say it most other fans.
What does our man Benitez do because he didn’t choose him he tries to destroy the boy in the name of being hey number 1?
We lose Keane and replace him with wait for it an unknown David Ngog.
Don’t worry e have the squad!!
That must be why we now have to play the strongest team and Torres has had to play and play and play even if 80% fit because we have been left in a hole
what happened to rotation!!
Then we have the real beauty why not embarrass one of our best players did I say embarrass I mean humiliate and openly say I want to change you for another.
Then when that fails you instead of apologising you try to blackmail him into staying saying you owe it to the fans.
By the way did I say fir the first 2 games of the season just to rub salt into the wounds because I never got my own way I will play martin plessis (Just seen Stevie oats crying after Rafa had them watching on TV looking for scraps!! oh Shanks)

Then we have Lucas poor lucas and we will keep faith.
Now we have a poorer squad and we are going nowhere

incidentally I am a professional stress consultant and when you are stressed you are more likely to be injured.

Last time Rafa said yes he was happy to stay big clubs had wanted him
Well thanks a lot Rafa
If we want the points to have to have a cheating penalty against Birmingham and we say we were unlucky.

On a personal note I also believe that to be a good manager you need to be a healthy manager and is it my imagination or has he put on about 2 stone in 4 seasons.
To sum up
1. He is a hypocrite- says squad game and then runs the squad down
2. Is the worse man manager we have had in memory
3? He is stubborn Zonal Marking!!
4. He lacks the understanding of the Liverpool way- to get a draw against Birmingham with a dubious penalty and say we were unlucky. Not the style I grow up loving

GO GO GO GO GO GO PLEASE IN THE NAME OF DECENCY GO

PS anyone who thinks he will cost too much at £20 mill of his contract-he has just cost us more in the CL.

Has he even handled the mess at the top well GILLETT & HICKS yes not his fault but that is not his point plus either.

He is getting interviewed now and says two late goals cost us and he says if Stevie was fit or aurreilio and then says note in the same breath ‘we have a strong squad’

GO GO GO GO

Ps I have supported and loved and cried with them for over 30 years
GO GO GO Go

kermit - December 6th, 2009 at 1:28 am

here here mik, have mentioned hits i am number one point before , plus the destruction of babel, crouch and keane.
was lauding lucas have always been his fan have always wanted him to come good , and running out of patience with him
similar feelings to the rafa article stating how he had been offered more money elsewhere and declaring his love for the club whilst putting it in jeopardy playing keane esp out of position to prove a point. sorry rafa you dont love the club , you love your ego. you love power, so bye bye and good luck with the rest of your career elsewhere.
not big sam dave, if rafa leaves torrres will most likely go to unless we get in a boss that torres can respect and if we lose torres also( well for anything less than 100 million in the current climate) then the spiral is going ever downwards.

players out , kuyt, yossi( both 29 might as well cash in one them now), aurelio, lucas, voronin degen, ngog, riera, mascherano

hopefully pulling in about ninety to one hundred million for the lot. this seasn is fucked we might as well use it for rebuilding purposes and clear out all the dead woood and players thta dont want to be at the club and of course the manager, then hand the new boss 100 or so million to replace the above players,