Liverpool Ready to Boost Defence With £14m Double Swoop

Retryboy - March 2nd, 2010 at 1:52 pm

The editor picks the headlines not the writer. Its ridiculous we have 3 top class right backs in johnson, Darby and kelly we can lose degen. We have plenty of quality centre backs too Carragher, agger, skrtel, Kyrgiakos, san jose, kelly, ayala we should let one of the experienced go next year too to allow the young lads to come through. Only defensive position we need is left back because Aurelio misses half the season injured let him go and get a quality first teamer in to compete with insua.

andy - March 2nd, 2010 at 3:29 pm

If it’s true then Rafa should go, v need LWB, LW, RW n ST, wat a joke?!

Donavan Ried - March 2nd, 2010 at 3:32 pm

OK we need some one to replace Carragher long term, but I though that was Skrtel and Agger was for Sammy, but enough already… we have Kelly ,San Jose, Ayala Darby, etc…..

ffs is it any wonder why the owners are finding it harder to clear the debt?….when Rafa wants to buy up every single player that on the market…… No wonder he is told to sell before you buy…..

And before someone tells me the usual crap about….. “The youth are not ready” and…. “You have to easy them in”….

If they do not play how then will they ever be ready?….. It not like the have a green light on their forehead that comes on and stays green to signifying they are read……

Get an effing grip Rafa and trust in the players that YOU have brought to the club and stop wasting the clubs money

andy - March 2nd, 2010 at 4:05 pm

That’s my point Donovan, completely spot on ……………

Retryboy - March 2nd, 2010 at 5:37 pm

Along with a top left back would get 2 left midfielders turan and Koman. Have Babel and Rodriguez competing on the right, turan LM with Koman to back him up. Benayoun in his best position too off the main striker with Nemeth and pacheco as back ups. Babel would also be my first back up to Torres so would definitely keep him but he wouldn’t be playing on the left!! Gerrard back in CM with Aquilani back up to partner Mascherano with lucas and spearing as his back ups. Would sell degen, Aurelio, Kyrgiakos, Plessis, el zhar, Kuyt and Riera

Retryboy - March 2nd, 2010 at 6:43 pm

Anon 6.11-i am white and you can’t even spell thick let alone accuse someone else of being it! Actually with your use of punctuation your sentence actually reads ‘i know niga is are think’ What a genius! They are obviously selling mein kampf in pop up version these days!

Warren Bloggs - March 2nd, 2010 at 7:26 pm

AHAHAHA Retryboy:

‘….They are obviously selling mein kampf in pop up version these days!’

Well that really did make me laugh! I also have to agree in that there is a worrying amount of ignorant racists on this site, and the editors should be doing something about it.

I heard this rumour and the only possible logic that i can see in it is that Rafa is looking to offload some of our defenders in the summer with these two joining. Well, i think we can all agree that a seasoned left-bacl would not go amiss, not that i don’t rate Insua just that we could do with greater competition in this position. I think Aurelio is on the way out, I rate him but he wants a renewed contract and with money low enough it seems unwise to spend yet more money on an injury-prone versatility man on the wrong side of 30. So, i have heard something that might interest the likes of Donovan and Retryboy:

Rafa is reportedly taking a keen interest on our blue neibours top english left-back Leigton Baines, who is coinsedently a childhood red supporter. Now i do not know how likely a move will be for the Everton man but he is undoubtedly an awesome player who would be perfect for Liverpool. I would love him to jump across the pond, what do you lot think?

Oh and apparently the Mata move is gaining speed and i think he will be our only big singing in the summer. So, in an ideal world this summer we will have Leigton Baines, Fran Merida/Mark Davies, Juan Mata, Milan Jovanovic.

Aquilani4goals - March 2nd, 2010 at 7:36 pm

Look we need a decent left back, insua is too short for a left back and his not go enuff,he can be a back up 4 a decent left back,sell Aurelio i think Kyrgiakos is a good back of in cd.Kuyt and riera can go,we need mata ,arda turan.sell the rest dead wood.bring back nemeth from loan deal and pacheco a regular in the starting 11.This is my opinion

nicklovesliverpool - March 2nd, 2010 at 7:44 pm

wow you guys are all going on abot buying mata turan and milner. this isnt a sweet shop down your council estate guys you don’t walk in and say right i will buy this and this for whatever amount. Transfers are extremely complicated u gotta have the money you gotta osrt out the paperwork you have to make sure the club agrees you have to give money to agents and of course the players wage demand. this can come to an awful lot of money depending on the player. so please people unless you want to give the club about 20 million squid then deal with it because Rafa will buy with what he has. If not use the fucking academy Darby and Kelly both look Good to me. Pacheco is wonder kid Ayala good defender. lets give them a go.

Aquilani4goals - March 2nd, 2010 at 7:44 pm

Warren Bloggs
how true is ur source that we are getting these players this summer we will have Leigton Baines, Fran Merida/Mark Davies, Juan Mata,

nicklovesliverpool - March 2nd, 2010 at 7:46 pm

for a fact the club dosent give a toss about what you think they buy what they want with there money sorry benitez buys what he wants

Aquilani4goals - March 2nd, 2010 at 7:52 pm

Yes we know that it is complicated to buy decent players but we need to win epl next season ,with or without rafa ,and we cannot do that without decent players to add quality to the squad and not quantity

Retryboy - March 2nd, 2010 at 8:32 pm

Nick-turan has said he wants to join us would cost about £15m, Koman would only cost about £4m and we have his international team mates Nemeth, Gulacsi and simon here said he was flattered about our interest but wanted to finish the season at sampdoria. My list of players to sell was itandje, degen, Aurelio, Kyrgiakos, Plessis, el zhar, Kuyt and Riera
£25m in transfer fees conservatively Kuyt’s wages would cover turan’s, Riera’s would cover Koman’s that leaves £200,000 in saved wages and £6m towards the new left back even if the incoming left back gets 80k a week we are saving 120k a week over £6m in a year so thats £12m fund for a top left back and everyones wages covered. Without any money off owners or from the standard charter £20m. Sure other posters know exactly how transfers work too and are actually being realistic. Warren-actually was thinking about premier league left backs that it would be worth getting and baines is definitely top of the list as an achievable target who would improve the first team…big if though whether he could be tempted.

...samlfc.... - March 2nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

This is getting way to repetative….i mean how many defenders have we been linked to? even midfielders aswell have been linked constantly with us!!
nevermind its better than listening to press bashing us 24/7

on a different note should Gerrard captain England for the world cup? i think he should as we’ve all seen what he has done to Liverpool over the years

Donavan Ried - March 2nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm

Retryboy – March 2nd, 2010 at 6:43 pm LMFAO…… Yet another classic form that man Retryboy……Killer

…samlfc…. – March 2nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm No comment on my bird?…… Or are you jealous…..he,he,he

Warren Bloggs – March 2nd, 2010 at 7:26 pm … would not suprise me if we sold Aurelio been a decent squad player, but as you said he has become injury-prone

...samlfc.... - March 2nd, 2010 at 9:36 pm

Donavan i have on the other post lol
me jealous of your bird!? Pah! more chance of Man utd claring of their rapidally increasing 710 million+ debt.

I was the starter of these bird avatars lol

Retryboy - March 2nd, 2010 at 9:59 pm

thats told you Donovan lol sam’s birds the oldest and the biggest!!

Donavan Ried - March 2nd, 2010 at 11:41 pm

…samlfc…. – March 2nd, 2010 at 9:36 pm just on BBC 10 oClock News Man Utd paid of their debt this evening. I has been reported that Sir Alex found the money under his bed….

Donavan Ried - March 2nd, 2010 at 11:45 pm

Retryboy – March 2nd, 2010 at 9:59 pm oooohhh1 Sam’s into older Birds eh!, and big ones at that…LOL

Donavan Ried - March 2nd, 2010 at 11:47 pm

anonymous – March 2nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm …. It got by because of how he spelt it

Donavan Ried - March 3rd, 2010 at 12:03 am

anonymous – March 2nd, 2010 at 11:12 pm the person has been reported to the editor

RAF - March 3rd, 2010 at 12:24 am

Probably just a rumour, but does it surprise anyone that Benitez is going after more defenders?

I can’t take his boring, negative and nervous brand of football anymore.

The media will continue to hound Benitez because he just repeats the same shit in interviews (we controlled the game, we had chances, we have confidence) and never really speaks about anything!!

I get the feeling that the Yanks are not giving him anything because he does not deserve it… He has had enough finanacial support over the years and I do not like the way some LFC fans believe him to be untouchable or unquestionable.

No-one is bigger than the club.

In short: Rafa out.

andy - March 3rd, 2010 at 6:13 am

Brilliant post RAF, 12.24 am, keep it up !

Scouse Magic - March 3rd, 2010 at 9:46 am

It’s simple really, unless we make the top 4, then none of the rumoured good players will join, as they will want Champions League football. We will then need to sell our ageing players to save money, which will force Rafa to play the youth players. Players to leave Itandje, Aurelio, Riera, Benayoun, Kuyt, Degen, Plessis, El Zhar. (Possibly £30M, £15M to service debt)
Players promoted to first team Dalle Valle, Nemeth, Pacheco.
This would give us approx £30m (Inc sponsor payments) to spend to bring in a LB, 2 LW, 1 RW.

baggins09 - March 3rd, 2010 at 9:54 am

‘anonymous – March 3rd, 2010 at 4:01 am

Hi Matt here!!!
we also need a CB who can provide some aerial threat.
I would not be surprised if we go for Shawcross in the coming window.Though I would hav preffered Kjaer.’

hi mat
hi matt not too sure why you think kjaer would offer more arially as both skrtl and agger are taller than kjaer only by half an inch but still taller and shawcross is 2″ taller than agger and skrtl so if your bothered about arial threat then shawcross is the man for the job

Aquaman - March 3rd, 2010 at 11:43 am

Hehe. Seems a bit strange that the Caughtoffside Team aren’t registered to their own website. Still, thanks. And keep up the good work!

Aquaman - March 3rd, 2010 at 11:56 am

anonymous – March 2nd, 2010 at 7:51 pm
I must admit that I was hoping that someone else would answer you, but I shall take that yoke upon myself.

Your question is possibly more devious than you realise and could easily destroy more respect than build it. By limiting us to 2 choices we will have to exclude other posters which can easily lead to bad feelings. These bad feelings would drop the level of respect that the slighted one would feel towards he (or she) who omitted them. Lots of big words there, hope I wan’t too cryptic.

Basically what I’m saying is that I can’t mention everyone that I respect, and will only be mentioning my top 2, as requested. If I don’t mention you, then please take it in the right light.

Now then, the two people that I most respect on this site are Donavan Ried and …samlfc…

Donavan is really like the Don of the website. He’s been here longer than most of us and has stood for what he believes in for all that time. It hasn’t been easy. He’s been buried under mountains of flak for voicing an unpopular (but usually valid) opinion. What I most respect though, is that he is the most friendly and polite poster on this website to all those who give him anything other than flak. Say hi, and he’ll reply in kind, with a joke and a chuckle. How probably the second most hated man on this website can still do that, I do not know. I’d have left long ago if I were him. Plus, were it not for Donavan, I probably wouldn’t be here. His welcome on my first post encouraged me to come again, and now I’m stuck. Keep your head high, Don.

…samlfc… has my respect for a different reason. He’s never been involved in a mudslinging fight (as far as I’m aware) yet he is never afraid to agree or disagree with anyone’s opinion. He’s given us a fair amount of food for thought and still manages to evade the flak cannons wielded by the lovable anons. His knowledge is sound and his opinions valid (except when it comes to cricket), but he’s never afraid to be controversial.

In truth there are very few people that I don’t respect on this site. Arguments fly around all over the place but they are all centered around the club that I love, and they clearly love it too. That’s all that really matters to me. I always prefer people to be civilised, obviously, and registering always helps (so that we can learn to look out for your posts). So why not register and join in anon?

I hope I’ve answered your question.

isaac hunt - March 3rd, 2010 at 1:15 pm

need a striker first.

Retryboy - March 3rd, 2010 at 1:49 pm

Afternoon all-personally i have respect for everyone who puts names to their comments and are willing to debate their views which happily is 90% of people on here at the moment! Chosen one-thanks mate think we have had some cracking debates recently too-would love to get joe cole and have him compete with Benayoun to play behind Torres also provide extra competition on the flanks. On the centre back debate i am hoping agger’s injuries are behind him now(this ones just a bruised bone) because with a run in the side he is a top notch player. It wouldn’t be like throwing a young player in out of the blue san jose has been playing up against the likes of barcelona and madrid this season in a struggling bilbao team and done well. Kelly is an exceptional talent too and we have seen him cope fine in champions league football. Agree with Baggins there really shouldn’t be any problem height wise all our centre backs are about 6′4″ we don’t seem to have a goal threat from corners like sami was though but agger and skrtel are getting close had a few recently they should have buried and again kelly and san jose are dominant in the air. With Stevie g taking free kicks and corners feel we are missing a trick somewhere anyway he hits the ball flat and hard great when he gets it spot on or in open play but from corners about 1/3 get in the danger area if you look at Bellamy’s for shitty this season every one causes mayhem we could have someone like that in our team and not know because seniority rules also Gerrard is a great header of the ball. Basically i never saw the need to sign Kyrgiakos last year with san jose and kelly so i am going to be biased but despite his good performances he makes big mistakes he has been lucky that Reina has bailed him out with some amazing saves, still not conviced by him.

Retryboy - March 3rd, 2010 at 2:18 pm

Anon 11.10-with chosen one there how many times have giggs and scholes had poor form and people thought they should be moved on? Without giggs performances since he turned 30 united wouldn’t have won half the things they have. Reports of Gerrard and Carragher’s demise have been greatly exaggerated! Gerrard not helped by the defensive make up of the midfield generally and injuries. Carragher had a poor start to the season think he has been back to his best for a while now though. They have attributes money can’t buy Gerrard can single handedly drag the team up and Carragher can be a one man brick wall they won’t go on for ever but will be here for a good while yet and i for one am thankful of that.

spota - March 3rd, 2010 at 3:46 pm

suprise suprise more defensive players sum one needs to tell rafa WE NEED A STRIKER FIRST MATE . oh yeah retry mein kenmf funny . hahahaha

Donavan Ried - March 3rd, 2010 at 4:52 pm

Damn computer logged me out again

Aquaman – March 3rd, 2010 at 11:56 am …. Thank you for your kind and gracious word….. You Do realize thou that it as taken me all this time to bill up the reputation for being a bad tempered, ill-manner old fart and your have destroyed that in a few lines. Damn, have to start all over again…lol
Thank you Mr. Class (Aquaman)

My heads a bit bigger now

Being lazy and using spell check, But I still do not understand that you have to press it before it works LOL

...samlfc.... - March 3rd, 2010 at 5:12 pm

…………..speechless….seriously i mean i never knew i was that popular lol and Aquaman i had an arguement with Jed awhile back but we have since reconciled but apart from that i haven’t been in an arguement as of yet. i’ve had some haters aswell but i never inslt people so i guess thats why i hardly have any lol
and yeah i can’t see the point in saying just 2 people i respect as people will get annoyed about being left out etc and n cause more bad than good. so i’ll say 4 people i have had the honour of talking to on this site which are

Aquaman – This person is a fooball encyclopedia (fails to realise England is better at cricket than SA though lol) always has a great view on any situation

Donavan Ried – the godfather of this site,The don,who is always willing to give his view on anything to do with liverpool or football for that matter. Also his bird is the heir to my one lol (avatar)

Retryboy – Has the thickest skin out of all of us and like Don is always willing to have his view on things……shame he has alot of critics though.

The chosen one – Is a mixture of Aquaman and Donavan and i personally like his views as they are always nice and simple to understand with great knowledge

Honourable mentions: Nicklovesliverpool,Kermit,N.L.R,Spota,Dom (if anyone can remember him…Donavan might), Baggins09 and Warren bloggs….sorry if i left anyone out.

now thats out of the way the article: i may have sid this already but we don’t need another defender as not only is our ones good at present we have many coming through the ranks so why not use them?

Aquaman - March 3rd, 2010 at 5:22 pm

I remember Dom. He was around in my lurking days. I may have posted once or twice in that time as “Never walks alone”. Wonder where he went…

Thanks sam and Donavan. Glad the respect is mutual. Been great fun and I’m sure it will continue to be in the future.

...samlfc.... - March 3rd, 2010 at 5:30 pm

yeah because i use to be called Sam!lfc but then changed to the current one……he hasn’t been on since we had to be a member to see our names displayed.
i came on this site about April last year and officially became sam!lfc / …samlfc….. in early May last year and him along with Donavan Ried and someone called Torres9 or something along them lines were here……..i wasn’t noticed till about July though lol

and yes it has been fun and i plan to stick around its site for months ahead till i dies or i’m told to leave or something so should be more fun on the especially now that its a world cup year

just remembered about dr.barnard……sorry i missed you out on the honourable mentions list.

Retryboy - March 3rd, 2010 at 5:53 pm

dr dre, ice cube, eazee e and aquaman founder members of NWA you learn something new everyday lol

Donavan Ried - March 3rd, 2010 at 6:40 pm

Aquaman – March 3rd, 2010 at 5:22 pm there were two Dom’s on the site but I think you mean this one….. Has his own blog on http://www.oleole.com/blogs/the-kop-end

I still visit him from time to time, but like a lot of the new people that I have post with on here…. Retryboy and my mate Steve McMahon could be the same person lol view are almost identical…lol

Dom still comes here from time to time as does JCWW….thou not seen 9torres in a while

Sam the reason you were not noticed until July was that you were 5′2″ before then and suddenly shot up to 6′2″ in July….. OOOHHH you mean on the site sorry lol….;.

Did not mean to miss Retryboy but he knows that he has my greatest respect, and he is “ichiban San”….Number one Man

MMMM, so Aquaman was in the NWA….National wrestling Alliance?….. Not sure if Dre, Ice Cube and Eazee E wrestled though LOL

Aquaman - March 3rd, 2010 at 6:45 pm

THE CHOSEN ONE

I agree with most of your post. One minor comment though. Did you see Aquilani’s one and only shot against… erm… Unirea at Anfield (I think… probably wrong though). It was sharp, on target and looked to have a lot of power. But it was blocked by a defender about two meters in front of him, so couldn’t see if it was on target. Still, the boy has a rifle in his leg.

I think he’s still learning his place in the team. We all know how Rafa has a very specific role for everyone in the team. This is what ostracised Babel for so long as he never really understood his role. Hopefully Aquilani won’t have the same problem, and I expect that he won’t. He’ll be first choice next season. Quote me on that.

Aquaman - March 3rd, 2010 at 7:34 pm

Ye gods, not Drogba! He is by far my most despised footballer. Not doubting his quality, I just think that for all of his brilliance he puts the entire game in a bad light with his antics. Put it this way: I’d rather have Ronaldo or Rooney than Drogba.

As for the other two, hells yes!

Aquaman - March 3rd, 2010 at 8:55 pm

Good point anon. The one big difference between the two is the source. The Torres article is the usual Spanish tap-up propaganda bullcrap that we’ve been hearing for months relating to Fabregas and Ronaldo before that. The source for this article seems for reputable.

I realise that this is actually my first post here that relates to the article. So here goes. We do actually need more in defense. With our current injuries we are sitting with 3 fit natural defenders, two are over 30, and the other is under 23. This has not been unusual for us and perhaps we should be thinking about dealing with it. We need another experienced right back (Degen doesn’t count) and we need a experienced left back (Aurelio will be off in the summer. We can’t afford to keep someone so fragile).

Donavan Ried - March 4th, 2010 at 12:42 am

anonymous – March 3rd, 2010 at 10:10 pm think you missed the key words in this piece “IF” he is forced to leave Liverpool” and if he is we know already he would not go to Real the only other big team in Spain is Barcelona….what he is also saying in a round about way is that he has no interest in going to Man city, Man Utd or Chelsea……

I,m sure “IF” Gerrard was forced to leave he would want to go to Barcelona

In Fact I read that “IF” Lionel Messi is forced to leave Barcelona he wants to come to Liverpool fc

Retryboy - March 4th, 2010 at 8:56 am

Anon 8.41-would love you to show me my ‘relentless pursuit of rafa’ in THIS thread this is my 9th post on this story and the only time i have mentioned his name is in response to your comments. Maybe its your relentless pursuit of an argument due to boredom in your own life you want to look at?? Also you could have aimed your comments at other people in THIS thread it would fit them a lot better than someone who has just been discussing transfer targets but the fact you choose to attack me anonymously just shows that we have history and you are choosing not to log in because you know i will rip you to bits on what you have said previously. Grow up, grow a pair, get a life!! If you are that desperate for an argument and can’t wait patiently like everyone else until we are actually discussing the manager then maybe you could go for a nice long walk? Off a short pier preferably. Really think its the most pathetic thing when idiots are desperate for an argument so they try and push the poster into one by bringing up the topic only to turn around later on after goading them into the argument and say “you’re always going on about rafa!” think of this as preemptive retaliation if you will! VIVA LA RESISTANCE!!

Aquaman - March 4th, 2010 at 9:47 am

In the anon’s defense, you have both missed his point.

Donavan:
His post was not about whether the Torres article was true, but more about the bizarre difference in the reactions to the two articles. When the article says “Rafa is buying more defenders” then everyone goes mad with “why is Rafa buying defenders and not more attackers”. They immediately assume the article is truth because it aids the anti-Rafa argument. On the Torres article however everyone immediately brushed it off as ridiculous.

Not saying that it was you who did so, just the posters at large.

Retryboy:
You’ve got needlessly aggressive again and have commented on one line of his 12 line post. That one line was his conclusion, not his argument, and you’ve latched onto that conclusion and drawn forth your own meaning.

His point was that you seem to have more respect for the owners than for Rafa. And, since we all consider the owners to be worse that the scum from a lobster’s arse, how bad must your opinion on Rafa be to be worse than that?

Did you consider that perhaps he’s a new poster on the site? Just coming out of the lurking phase and testing the water a bit before he dives right into the commitment of registering? You never know, but he’s made a good point and I’d love to hear more from him.

So go on, anon! Register and join in the discussion!

Retryboy - March 4th, 2010 at 10:36 am

Aquaman-look on this thread and look on the other you refer to. I DON’T MENTION RAFA ONCE! Of course you would love to hear more from him you always do with people that share your views, of course he is not a first time poster else he wouldn’t be bringing up my views on rafa which haven’t been discussed for a while where as other people on this thread have slated rafa and not been mentioned. As for the needlessly aggresive bit i commented on the part of the post that was about me so why don’t you stop telling people how to post seeing as though you aren’t the saint some people hold you up as and are just as aggressive in the defence of your views as everyone else and even more one dimensional recently, only difference is you always keep up your veil of politeness, some of us just say what we mean and don’t need support to do it. Oh and can you please stop telling people they are missing the point constantly just because they want to discuss something other than you do.

Aquaman - March 4th, 2010 at 1:23 pm

Right, so I make a few comments that you find uncomfortable and you immediately shift your cannon on to me. This is what I mean by needlessly aggressive. All I did was not take your side, and suddenly nothing I have ever said is credible? How is that fair in any way?

But I won’t get drawn into your conniving ways. I’ll answer every point in your post, and not just the ones that I can rant about.

“I DON’T MENTION RAFA ONCE!”

Granted, you didn’t. But it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to wok out your view on Rafa. Then in the Torres article you say: “Personally i think that since putting the club in debt to buy it H&g really haven’t done a lot wrong”. How many things have you told us that Rafa has done wrong? Clearly that makes us think that you like the owners more than Rafa. And if you’re willing to show the owners that much respect but refuse to show any to Rafa, then that will draw comment.

“Of course you would love to hear more from him you always do with people that share your views”

Really? Actually what he did was raise a point that I hadn’t thought about. This is the point that I said you missed and apparently you missed it even more than I suspected. The point was not “Oh Retryboy is just a Rafa-hater”. THe point WAS “sometimes people take articles as proof when they agree with their arguments and sometimes they discard them when they don’t.” That’s a perfectly valid point and I complimented him on it. Am I the antichrist now?

“of course he is not a first time poster else he wouldn’t be bringing up my views on rafa which haven’t been discussed for a while where as other people on this thread have slated rafa and not been mentioned”

Have you ever heard of a lurker? A person who visits the site and reads other people’s comments without replying himself? There’s nothing wrong with doing this as it helps one to gauge whether a site is worth joining or not. Clearly he has already drawn some conclusions about us, but that doesn’t mean that he’s one of your anonymous haters which you seem so proud of.

“i commented on the part of the post that was about me”

No Retry. You commented to a small part of the comment aimed at you. You’re as bad as the tabloids. You take a comment and pick and choose what you can go rampant about. His comment was about Rafa vs owners and your view on the two, yet you went ballistic when he said that you dislike Rafa. WHICH YOU DO!

“why don’t you stop telling people how to post seeing as though you aren’t the saint some people hold you up as and are just as aggressive in the defence of your views as everyone else and even more one dimensional recently”

Ok, fair point. Its not my business to tell you how to post and I’m sorry about that. What I’m not sorry about is the point missing argument. I sometimes feel like I have to proof read my comments a million times to prevent myself being misunderstood and then you grab the complete wrong end of the stick and go mad with it. It’s really really frustrating and I choose to say so. You can;t tell me how to post, just like I can’t tell you and I am allowed to say when I feel I’ve been misunderstood.

As for being overly defensive. I have been on occasion. But usually only when it’s my own article, which I think is understandable as I’ve gone through a lot of effort to put it out there and I dislike people shredding it without giving it a similar amount of thought to what I have. If I am any other time, tell me, and I will try to open up.

“even more one dimensional recently”

Yes. I have been pro-Rafa a lot these days, but I feel that things are coming right. If I have a concern with his management, then I will raise it. At the moment, I think he’s got things right so I’m not going to go looking for things to complain about.

“the only difference is you always keep up your veil of politeness, some of us just say what we mean and don’t need support to do it”

I have no veils. I am what I am and I say what I mean. I make the effort to ensure that people take my meaning and think about it rather than being put off by coarseness. I don’t need support to think what I think either. Hell, I was brought up in a Man U household. BUT where I differ from most is that I take other peoples opinions and weigh them against my own, accepting and rejecting as I feel is right. I don’t hold my own opinion as superior and will listen to anyone who gives me similar respect.

“Oh and can you please stop telling people they are missing the point constantly just because they want to discuss something other than you do.”

This has left me speechless. Basically you admit to deflecting. “The point you make is difficult for me to take so I want to talk about something else and will force the conversation that way.” Retry. Please. That is the ultimate in childishness. I hate having to say it to you, but seriously, grow up.

And now I expect your reply to be all about my calling you childish and nothing else in my post. Wish I was surprised by that.

Aquaman - March 4th, 2010 at 1:31 pm

Oh and before you say that I am attacking you, I am merely replying to your attack on me. I don’t take kindly to that, as you can plainly see.

Donavan Ried - March 4th, 2010 at 8:16 pm

anonymous – March 4th, 2010 at 3:56 pm and you are who?…….

THAT’S RIGHT A USER OF THIS SITE JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE….. So then where do you get off telling anyone that “IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT FIND ANOTHER SITE TO VENT YOUR RUBBISH.”…… And as for posting anonymously I think that you will find most people here feel the same way as Retryboy, Aquaman and I about anon, posters…. This is not so much about me sticking up for Retryboy. He can handle you his self. It is about the attitude that some of you have, telling people that “they are not true fans” that they should “post elsewhere”…. I doubt you have been here as long as Retryboy has, but we will never know will we, because you post anonymously…… It is you who needs to grow a pair and stop hiding behind the pathetic excuse of “until COS stop anonymous posting it does not matter if you register”… Although both Aquaman and Retryboy have opposing views they respect one another as I do the both of them. They both believe in what they say and are not afraid to put there names to it. And as bad it has been, with the flak that Retryboy has taken I have never seen him write to anyone that they should find another site, or accuse someone of not being a real supporter….

If you chose not to register that’s down to you, but leave all the other bullocks out of it

spota - March 4th, 2010 at 8:53 pm

don,chosen one,retry,samlfc baggins,rane, etc but to name a few also agree ! if you cant take the heat stay out ov the kitchen . why post anon anyway inless you have just joined our madness ov a site people add your name as it makes for a better debate anyway . not dis counting anyone else but i personally look for posts of the above named as there usually the best and most heart felt . no 1 should have to stop posting but please allow for debate . cos if we all felt the same the world and this forum would be a very boring place! also i think i speak for us all when i say we dont want discrimination . or any other personally insulting posts . hopefully we all want the best for our beloved liverpool . and to post your name is to be respected . stand up for what you beleve but dont hammer others for there views also . lets get back to some serious matters like can we really make the top 4 . and is benitez gonna finally come good . YNWA

Donavan Ried - March 4th, 2010 at 9:31 pm

ALL HAIL THE CHOSEN ONE……. It not the matter of him defending himself it the whole “You call yourself a fan” and Telling people to “piss off to another site” that I don’t like I would never question someones support for a club ,or try to chase them off this site. They have as much rigth here as i do…..the whole thing just gets on my wick….

Donavan Ried - March 4th, 2010 at 9:36 pm

Thank you spota…. a voice of calm an this sea of madness

...samlfc.... - March 4th, 2010 at 9:38 pm

98 days till the world cup!!!
and although against Egypt in the first half we looked shakey i think we can go pretty far in the world cup about Semi-final.

i mentioned the world cup purely because the transfer rumours are getting stale and all is quiet at anfield so i thought i’ll mention England and the world cup

thanks Spota and very much agreed

baggins09 - March 4th, 2010 at 9:58 pm

hi gents been away for a few days i’ve had a lot on,

anyway the reason a lot of us bang on about anonymous posters is if i write something people can direct it to baggins09, then if that comment is followed by 15 anonymous posts and say 5 agree and 10 disagree it’s hard differentiate who your replying to, it just makes a better conversation/debate/argument if you can put a name to a comment and know who’s who.
i stand by anything i say so don’t mind putting my name to my comments and if people disagree or insult me i like to be able to direct my comments back to them personally instead of – anonymous – March 4th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

anyway thats my view on it

spota - March 4th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

hi ya baggins another good post as i for mentiond you . well boys stop rowing PLEASE ! there are mancs out there to row with . COME ON YOU MIGHTY REDS! anyways = im on a promise ? so i gottqa go about time the missus had summet more on her mind rather than soaps and bingo . hahahahahhaahahah . BE GOOD ! cos i wont

Retryboy - March 4th, 2010 at 10:13 pm

lets answer the original typical aquaman ‘his point was you seem to have more respect for the owners than rafa. And since we all think that the owners are worse than the scum from a lobster’s arse how low must your opinion of rafa be’…we all don’t think that though do we aquaman? you know full well i think the owners are doing a lot of things right so by ‘we all’ you mean you. The rest of the sentence kind of falls down if the first bit is wrong eh? Say its typical of you because that is a polite way of having a massive dig. Thats what i mean by veiled politeness. Has nothing to do with respect for rafa or H&g as people as you well know. Told you to check both threads and you did and rather than admit that i hadn’t mentioned rafa once so didn’t deserve the comments in the first place you say that by me saying i don’t think the owners are doing a bad job thats insulting rafa? Lol and you call me childish! Least i can admit if i am wrong but that would mean admitting that i was justified in defending myself against the anons comments and you should have just kept your nose out of it. Every anon comment that is from a rafa fan gets a ‘please register, i’d like to hear more from you’ no matter how they are conducting themselves in fact if they are insulting someone who doesn’t share your views its an added bonus. Think the anon has disproved your lurker theory and proved what was blatantly obvious from the start that he is someone i have had history with in his posts since but you wouldn’t admit to that either eh? Despite the ‘countless times i have been told that anons are allowed to post’ and other references that show blatantly he has been posting for ages. What were your other points i dodged then? how people have taken this story seriously and not the Torres one? Couldn’t have been meant for me as i didn’t take either seriously but the Torres one THE AUTHOR SAYS ITS RUBBISH Maybe thats solved your mystery although it was just a dig at those above who have insulted rafa why can’t you confront people directly?

Aquaman - March 4th, 2010 at 10:48 pm

Firstly, welcome back baggins09! My feelings exactly! Good post.

Retry
On the lobster arse thing, I was relaying his point to you in a different way. I personally do think that the owners are worse than the scum from a lobster’s arse, but that is my opinion. You do not need to think the same way and I won’t force it on you. I do accept that I did not make that clear and perhaps I should have proof read it before I posted it. My fault.

“Say its typical of you because that is a polite way of having a massive dig.”
I don’t think that’s fair, but if you show me more examples then I’ll accept it and endeavor not to do so again.

“Least i can admit if i am wrong”
Clearly you have decided that my comments are now completely without credibility (stupid english, wanted to say incredible but that’s just wrong). Have I not admitted fault countless times in the past? If you wish to cast me aside then I really don’t mind, but there’s no need to assault my character when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

I will say that the anons final snide remark was out of line. So you did indeed have cause to defend yourself. It would have been nice if you’d given some indication that you had actually read the rest of it though.

Lurker theory refuted? Seems that way. Fair enough and comment retracted.

Anyway, you have finally answered the the point that I was harping on about. You do like the owners more than Rafa. I have no problem with that, you;re welcome to think that. I’m just happy that at last the question has been answered. That was my issue.

Finally (and I really do hope that this is finally as I don’t want this to continue any longer) my “please register, i’d like to hear more from you” comment does often get shown towards Rafa supporters. This is mostly because I haven’t seen an anon give a new view on the anti-Rafa side of things in a while. All the complaints are same old, same old. Even if they did say something new though, I have a right to choice. If you want to invite them, then do so. I’ll invite who I choose.

Now, I’m really sorry that this whole thing has blown up so huge. I’m sorry to all those who have got caught up in the argument either way. I’m not calling it over though as no doubt Retry will want to rebut my points (which he is perfectly entitled to do, no offence intended).

Aquaman - March 4th, 2010 at 10:53 pm

Oh, on the registering thing. Anon, I really don’t mind if you don’t want to register, but can you at least give us some indication as to who it is. A name at the top like THE CHOSEN ONE does is perfect. Even just a single letter like A used to do. Just something so that we can tell that its someone we’ve heard from before and we know what light to take the post in. That’s all I ask.

Aquaman - March 4th, 2010 at 10:56 pm

anonymous – March 4th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Just read this comment. Sorry was a bit involved in the one below if you know what I mean. I have no problem with people posting anonymously. If Donavan or Retry did it, I would not mind. I might even do it myself for some bizarre reason. I just want to know who posts are coming from when we’re in debate mode. For my convenience not for site rules.

Retryboy - March 5th, 2010 at 12:14 am

Aquaman-quite happy to leave it at that as we were merely discussing transfer rumours before, thanks for seeing my side. Didn’t say i like the owners at all can’t stand them as people just think they are improving things off the field with income, hiring Purslow and have done what everyone wanted them to and backed rafa all the way(most clubs would have axed him this season) they are now again doing the right thing and selling their shares rather than the players to pay off their debts. Just willing to give them a chance and not buying into the witch hunt have said before the best way for their shares to rocket is to catch up on the income with united, build the stadium and make us great again, obviously if they don’t find investment different story. On rafa have always given valid reasons i don’t think he is the best man for the job nothing to do with respect as he obviously cares about liverpool more than H&g no question but so did houllier and souness(not comparing managerial ability. Just a point that its not personal) I have no problem with people posting anonymously i do have a problem with an anon trying to pull someone up on what they have said previously or complaining about what a poster always says. Problems obvious there they aren’t willing to stand by what they have said before just means they can’t argue with a level playing field. Hope thats answered the point now chosen one lol apologies to yourself sam, Spota, Baggins and of course aquaman and the legendary Don for my part in the loss of the sites tranquility…bit of buddha chanting…oohhhmmmm!!

RaNE - March 5th, 2010 at 1:33 am

Since we are talking about Transfers ( Well sorta…) I would just like to say the two defenders i think would be good at Liverpool and cheap.

Taiwo

Belhadje

Aquaman - March 5th, 2010 at 8:38 am

Retryboy
Tranquility returns. Thanks for not pushing the issue. I don’t think either of us intended for it to get so big, so thanks for being willing to let things slide. Having read back its probably more my fault than anyone else’s, so apologies to everyone and I will try to be good from now on.

Now I will join Retryboy in some reconciliatory Buddha chanting….. because it’s fun! Oooooohhhhhhmmmmm!!

Donavan Ried - March 5th, 2010 at 12:24 pm

anonymous – March 4th, 2010 at 9:44 pm ….. What did I put in my post?…… I told you the reason why I got upset at what you posted….. If you chose to believe other wise then there is nothing I can do about that…. the fact is that I am sick of you and your kind always questioning the loyalties of other supporters just because they have a different opinion to you… your kind believe that your way is the only way to support a team… Which is utter bollocks

Donavan Ried - March 5th, 2010 at 12:35 pm

anonymous – March 4th, 2010 at 9:52 pm

“IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT FIND ANOTHER SITE TO VENT YOUR RUBBISH.”

Now is that not tantamount to the same thing as ‘Piss off this site’ or is it just me…..

I also ended the post with this…….. “If you chose not to register that’s down to you, but leave all the other bullocks out of it”…. which should confirmwhat i was upset about, for never did i mention any thing esle you had said to retryboy, for as i said he can handle you his self

baggins09 - March 5th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

just out of curiosity why don’t anons want to login? your still anonymous really aren’t you, my names not actually baggins09!!! its just a name i put so people can direct there comments at me as i’m a person and like to be acknowledged as an individual and not just 1 of the masses of anons.

we’ve stated why we would like people to login i’m just intrested why many are so against it? it takes about a minute of your life up and you don’t disclose any sensitive info so i don’t see the problem

anyway i agree with belhadje and taiwo then ship insua out or keep insua and play belhadje lw maybe.

Donavan Ried - March 5th, 2010 at 9:59 pm

anonymous – March 5th, 2010 at 6:51 pm ….don’t need you to explain yourself nor do I want you to……. It was quite clear what you meant…… Your “If’s” means very little when you take in what you were implying as a whole…. You had little words like if to deflect from what you really want to say and then play the wounds little anon’ still trying to sell this whole “I’ll register when I am force too bollocks”……You don’t fool me…… Anyway you can feel free to was again try to defend yourself, be as for me I am ending this here and now……..

AKA Oscar - March 6th, 2010 at 3:49 am

They would be decent buys but i doubt they would make us a stronger team.