Premier League 25 Player Squad Rule: Good Thing or Bad Thing?

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 3:26 pm

good thing. just look at american sports, nfl nba and mlb, i bet 90% of those world stars are american, they don’t even have a transfer system, everyone is drafted from college… much better.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

Good thing. Stops players wasting their career on the bench and means that teams like Cit y will need to think long and hard over what they do with their squads. Though personally i think that the home grown player rule number should be higher than just 8.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 3:30 pm

But were not American, we are british, i say forget this rule a very bad rule, if this rulke happens the PL will not be the best league in the world it a promise.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 3:37 pm

Dont think it is a bad rule, but there is no point comparing it to AMERICAN sports!!!!
Key word being American!!! Think about that ya tw*t!!!!!!!

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 3:47 pm

Good rule. This should help keep teams like City and Chelsea from stockpiling players like a f***ing futbol warehouse. Teams will have to place more efforts on grooming their own “homegrown” players. Even though you can be foreign and qualify as homegrown (signed before the age of 18), it will benefit the league by aiding in the development of young English (as well as foreign) talent.

But the number one reason why this is a good rule is because it will make it harder for teams to just buy trophies (ie Chelsea for the last few years). Teams will actually have to build a team rather than buy one…..at least in theory. However, I would still bet that money bags Citech will still be able to buy anyone and everyone that catches their eye.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 3:56 pm

i compared it to american sports because american sports have a very, very high percentage of home grown talent who are amazing at their sport.

Meaning, perhaps if had a cap, more British talent would emerge.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 4:06 pm

for me is good rule for competition. put a fair fight between more wealthy teams to normal teams. man city simply can put a massive squad, they capable assemble 30-40 superstar players which is not fair. but also provide an excuses for mancini to get rid the player he doesn’t want. hurm? i wonder who will be in man city firesale.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pm

My main worry is the Champs League, we have seen over the past few year with Manchester United and Chelsea trying to compete on all fronts that you need a big squad. A series of injurys to some first team players and your season could potentially fall apart instantaniously. Yes it is going to encourage youth and bringing players through the ranks, but I think that we will see teams just shipping off the players as soon as they turn 21 and have to be registered as part of the squad, and will further the inclination to poach younger talent from abroad.

I am all in favour and with the finacial restraints not coming soon enough (haha City and Chelsea ) the EPL will become a much fairer enviroment. Hopfully meaing good years ahead for teams like Everton who produce lots of home grown players, West Ham also.

To all those deffending City having youth players, thats only because in the past you had… well… no other option. I doubt we’ll see any coming through for a while now.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 4:18 pm

My beloved Villa have 24 eligible ‘Home Grown ‘players. Who cares?

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm

Manchester City have 35 players in their first team squad

Scouse1 have 41

and of those 2 teams, guess which one is struggling to meet the homegrown criteria?
i`ll give you a clue… its not the one whos acadamy has produced more first team players in the past 8 years than any other premiership club…

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 4:50 pm

in Spain They have had this rule for years and is paying off……. world cup. and see the Under19 in the Euro? They are beating us 3-1

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 5:24 pm

WE have 2 do somethin 2 bring up the homegrown players…….this rule might just help us……….

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 6:27 pm

They should allow replacement if player get injured and out for whole seson

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 7:29 pm

But this rule also means that we wont get to see exciting young players getting rewarded with occasional games.. Anyone remember how Macheda made explosive debut for ManU.. will any player get a chance like that for awesome performance in reserves..???

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 7:31 pm

This is a good rule for the English National Team, but a bad rule for the Premier League

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

With this rule the premier league will lose it’s quality

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 7:40 pm

You’re missing the point about Man City..Fact is there is over a month to go until the transfer deadline, and they have no intention of stopping buying randomly selected players. I think they are still targetting a foreign CB, RB, RM and at least one striker. Could even be more than that. Add those into the equation, and they are in trouble to make the 25

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

Also, we complain about players being burnt out and tired after so many game, the successful sides in this country play roughly 60 games a season, and when teams could have as many players on the payroll as they could afford, the players could be rotated to keep fresh, now we will be getting to see the same players every week or thereabouts, meaning every 2 years, the English lads are tired by the time the Euro Champs and WC start, due to playing so many games.

Also when a young players turns 22, and can no longer be considered as an “additional exempt” player to the registered list, then what is the betting that player gets discareded at ANY club with any ambition to win trophies and not make friends in Soho HQ.

Would you select Fernando Torres or David N’Gog for the final 25th slot in your team?…….who would win between Wayne Rooney and Danny Welbeck?, Carlos Tevez & David Ball…….say what you like about the quality of the young players in the academies around the country, I think in 2-3 years this stupid rule will have put 1000s of them on the dole queue, unless they are prepared to go from the Liverpool’s, United’s Spurs’s of this world and play for Maidstone and Barrow in order to get game time, as there are no restrictions in Conference Football.

The English FA are a shambles, from the top DOWN, and UEFA are no better at drafting up stupid ideas to get the integrity of the game back and give people a chance again………they between them will have killed the careers of many prospering kids, no manager when his job is on the line will select a young kid who has just turned 22, over a seasoned top class pro, or else HE will be attending the Job Centre store in time for Bonfire Night.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 7:50 pm

Only time will tell whether this will pay off, however i think arsenal and villa wil benefit most from this. Is a homegrown player english or can they be from scotland,wales and ireland too?

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 8:36 pm

anonymous – July 27th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
how do you know that you moron? because you are so stupidly naive to every link in the media?
do you really think a board of world class business men, director of football and experienced coach are targetting random players and are gonna come to August 30th and just stick a list together?

naive and stupid people make me sad

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 8:55 pm

City have 8 players to sell but anyway I think it will be a good rule for youth development but also to stop useless transfer for new, uneeded talent every season (Man City). Also think that if a player gets a serious injury the great opportunity for youth talent to step up and not be forced out of the squad by new signings like Ireland and Onuoha have.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 9:04 pm

Okay 8:36pm, then lets see what Mancini has said lately and see who’s the moron

CB – No comment here, but its well known (by Benfica) that Man City offered over 20m. Rumour is the player said he only would go to RM or Barca.
RB – “I would like Maicon,”
RM – “Landon Donovan is a good player. It’s possible [that City will sign him].”
Striker : Torres -”But it depends on his situation – his price and whether he wants to come”
Balotelli – “He (Balotelli) is one of the four or five strikers that interest us.”
Ibrahimovic – “He’s world class. Which manager in the world wouldn’t like Ibrahimovic? ( My own personal response is alot and he’s not world class btw)

There are other Mancini quotes, as he continues to verbally tap up players. I say randomly targetting players cos each year its get in some midfielders and strikers, and forget that the defence is average at best. Just wasting cash.

Now i feel like moving onto your comment about world class business men, led by none other than famous Chief Executive Garry Cook. Don’t know what to say, that he hasn’t already made a gaffe on. From AC Milan “bottling it” to saying Thaksin Shiniwatra was “a great guy to have golf with”..”Whether he’s guilty of something over there, I can’t worry too much about….Morally, I feel comfortable in this environment”..Then in a NY Bar telling the world “Man City would overtake Man Utd”. What a muppet at the head of the tea party.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 9:06 pm

Come end of August, wonder who’s the unlucky lot at Man City who can’t play again till January. If Garry Cook has anything to do with it, would be suprised if the new signings are left off the list by mistake

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

it does work in Spain. It actually gives more chances to young players. Look at Barcelona: Pedro, Bojan, Pique, Busquets are young homegrown players. Other homegrown in Barca are Iniesta, Messi, Xavi….. and the young ones coming now Jeffren, Thiago Alcantara…… when they can secure a place in the first squad but still good skills they find them another team with option of buying them back with an agreed price like Dani Pacheco in Liverpool, or Real Madrid young ones Marcos Alonso going to Bolton, Negredo (Seville), Rodrigo (Benfica.) i think this management of the best youth talent pays off although it will take 5-10 years to see the results. As Spanish fan I would prefer you don’t do it but with all respect, look at the english team performance (goalkeeper position is the most harm position for u guys as the top 7 team only have foreign keepers) u can’t blame the teams but with this rule u should see more chances for the young ones while still having the best league…… small teams in the premier league would benefit too from the improvement in the young academies of the big clubs…. as they turn 21 and they dont find a place in the 25, they can go on loan to smaller teams for one or two season and see if they make it then……. rgds

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 10:40 pm

@ anonymous – July 27th, 2010 at 9:33 pm

You makes good points, however you can only claim that it works for 1 team in La Liga really. Barcelona have a brilliant youth system, but Real Madrid just buy people their youth system is non existent. How many other La Liga teams can boast domestic or European success outside of those 2 teams? Atletico Madrid won Europa last season which was good but it was largely down to Aguero and Forlan who did not come through their youth. From what i can see the best home grown talent comes from Holland and Portugal, but the problem is when they get good rich teams buy them, so they don’t gain anything from making these players. Basically home growing players doesn’t bring you success, you’re just seen as someone who makes players then ships them out to bigger teams where they actually go and win things. I reckon the standard in the Premier League goes down with this rule but it will benefit the national team more.

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 11:22 pm

It will stop some teams from just stockpiling “quality” players cause they have the cash and level the playing field for those teams normally dubbed “the best of the rest”. It won’t happen overnight but maybe we will finally have a national side to be proud of…

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 11:34 pm

he hoves it

anonymous - July 27th, 2010 at 11:35 pm

somebody should delete this filth.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 12:03 am

This is a good rule.

Arsenal & City will find this impossible to do as they are full of foreigners.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 12:07 am

Great idea although it should be more homegrown players than 8.
it will be hard for city and chelsea but city in particular as they want there reserve team to be full of F**K**G world class players, there youth team won the youth cup 2 seasons ago i think it was and not one of them players has been brought into the first team, most of them now play for low end clubs!
Arsenal will find it impossible as that team is full of foreigners

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 12:18 am

Arsenal are set for this rule guys Cesc is homegrown.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 12:31 am

@anonymous July 28th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Any under 18 player signed is considered to be homegrown. It doesnt have anything to do with nationality but with clubs growing young players(English or Chinese its all the same lol). So Arsenal is in best position because majority of players were signed before they were 18 yrs old and are considered to be Arsenal product, only a few of them are not considered homegrown(like Arshavin or Chamakh who were older than 18 when signed). So i guess English youngsters wont benefit from this, only young u18 South Americans and Africans and a few European talents.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 12:43 am

This rule should be great.
It’s limiting, but promotes youthful players, and not ridiculous amounts of money being spent.
It will give teams the opportunities to scout for young players more, and improve the situation around the club, in the youth regions, and in the country, to help promote talented youth in the country.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 12:56 am

i agree its limiting to big squads especially those in the big 4, who have traditionally large and deep squads…. and why the f&*k some ppl keep comparing the american sports system to that of europe, american sports are subjected to do such things becuase these sports are popular in america and are played by americans and besides look at the amount of latin american players in the baseball league… utter rubbish….

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 9:25 am

CAP? Cap has ruined American sports like nothing else. Ya know why Baseball is the only enjoyable sport in this country? Because it’s not ruined by parity and uncertainty like Football, Basketball, and Hockey are. Hockey was amazing till the NHL installed the salary cap and got rid of the blueline two line pass rule. Now in our sports, any random team can win a championship and players are just carelessly signed and moved to fit within a budget. This is not Goldman Sachs, this is sports, where it’s actually nice to have capitalism. In America, we have the medical system backwards from our professional sports. Also, drafting from college instead of transfers? Wow, you must know nothing of our country. Trades are what we call transfers, many of them happen all the time in all of our sports. Free Agency dominates our sports in a horrible way where players get all the money and poor small market teams get shafted. At least in world football, teams get the money when they sell their player so that they can reinvest in new players. The college system allows for no local talent, because players don’t come up though local reserve teams and academes. They just sign with any random college to pay for these thugs, academically unworthy of college on their own, to go to their school, and then any random team that drafts them.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 9:48 am

to make it work we would need a rule for english homegrown talent (let’s say at least 6) and foreign homegrown (let’s say 2 players) Otherwise, teams with money will go to young academies all over the world to take teenagers out of their homes and will not benefit english talent. A bit like Arsenal, they dont contribute to the english national team.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 9:52 am

all you bitter twats do is bash city, there is no need for it, sure they are spending truck loads on expensive players but i think any team, if blessed with millions, would do the exact same.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 10:10 am

You City fans bring it on yourselves with your arrogance. I’m wondering how you are going to break even thst what gets to me.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 12:01 pm

american sport is only played by AMERICANS FFS !!

you cant compare the worlds biggest sport in the worlds biggest league to any american sport lol

NBA,NFL,NHL, HAHAHAHAHA football is the passion of billions

i like the rule means managers need to think harder.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 12:10 pm

anonymous – July 27th, 2010 at 7:41 pm

Also, we complain about players being burnt out and tired after so many game, the successful sides in this country play roughly 60 games a season, and when teams could have as many players on the payroll as they could afford, the players could be rotated to keep fresh, now we will be getting to see the same players every week or thereabouts, meaning every 2 years, the English lads are tired by the time the Euro Champs and WC start, due to playing so many games.

Also when a young players turns 22, and can no longer be considered as an “additional exempt” player to the registered list, then what is the betting that player gets discareded at ANY club with any ambition to win trophies and not make friends in Soho HQ.

Would you select Fernando Torres or David N’Gog for the final 25th slot in your team?…….who would win between Wayne Rooney and Danny Welbeck?, Carlos Tevez & David Ball…….say what you like about the quality of the young players in the academies around the country, I think in 2-3 years this stupid rule will have put 1000s of them on the dole queue, unless they are prepared to go from the Liverpool’s, United’s Spurs’s of this world and play for Maidstone and Barrow in order to get game time, as there are no restrictions in Conference Football.

The English FA are a shambles, from the top DOWN, and UEFA are no better at drafting up stupid ideas to get the integrity of the game back and give people a chance again………they between them will have killed the careers of many prospering kids, no manager when his job is on the line will select a young kid who has just turned 22, over a seasoned top class pro, or else HE will be attending the Job Centre store in time for Bonfire Night.

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Agree with your position on the English FA (And the Premier League – Sir David is a c0ck).

But your assessment is a bit contrithed. Players like Torres and Rooney will be among the first names of the 25, and logic tells you that as the top quality players take the first few slots, the last few will be taken by the ‘not so greats’ meaing the likes of N’gog and Ball do have a chance.

Also, your first point is that the demands of PL games, domestic and European cups stresses these ‘few’ players argues for the very fact that Under 21’s are more than likely to be used. Given that this rule is going to be around for a while, any half decent manager (given the number of games to be played a season) will use their Under 21s, and will keep them for the future simply because those Under 21s have matriculated through that respective academies and have the relevant first team experience.

I think this rule is a good start but does not go far enough. The Under 21s should also be controlled as I think ALL clubs should be contributing to the national side – we have lost focus of this because of the segregated nature of the PL from the FA, and this should be remedied.

As a LFC supporter, I was shocked to hear we had the highest percentage of foreigners (~90%) all those months ago, and couldn’t understand what was happening to the local talent, given the size of Liverpool City. I would rather develop lcoal talent who are more than likely to stay at the club they trained at as a youth, than ‘put up’ with players who always have an interest elsewhere.

Personally, while I can’t stand the arrogance of City fans, I can understand their jubilation. If I had some rich Sheikh at LFC I’d be over the moon. Besides, United have been asking for some serious competition in Manchester.

While the odds are against us for a CL slot, I’m still looking forward to the season. Oh, and before any ‘Channel 5′ wums start, I’m well chuffed I get to watch my team without having to pay that devious old fool, Murdoch.

anonymous - July 28th, 2010 at 7:47 pm

Good idea but will teams still be fined if they dont put out their strongest team from within that 25 because after all they would be considered the best that you have?

anonymous - July 29th, 2010 at 6:19 am

It will surely bring in a balance between the big four and the rest of the clubs.
Manchester City will surely struggle with this rule.
But Arsenal will surely benefit.
We have a young squad, and also we have many HG players in our first team.
i.) G Clichy
ii.) K Gibbs
iii.) J Djourouo
iv.) C Fabregas
v.) Denilson
vi.) N Bendtner
vii.) Theo Walcott
viii.) N. Bendtner.
ix.) C. Vela
x.) H. Nordviet
xi.) Jack Wilshere
Arsene wenger philosophy buying youngsters will surely pay off.
I think no other team other than Arsenal will benefit from this rule.
Hats off to wenger’s philosophy of developing youngsters.
It will surely pay off from now on.

anonymous - July 29th, 2010 at 8:20 pm

@ July 27th 7:29 pm

This Cap does not apply to U21, such as Macheda
You can have infinite amounts of U21 with the new Rule just not Over 21s

anonymous - August 8th, 2010 at 10:45 am

I must say that “this rule is so roidinamus and selfishness”. Why bcus we have to look it this way many up growing young players are coming up, though we don’t have strong national team in England not that we don’t have player that worte it and player who will represent us in soccer world wild, but still we failed in W.C 2010. Now i guess we are tring to wicked foriners who are here to entertain us. We have to let people who can play show their talent and : and train our national team players in our own way and make them understand themselves in the pitch. I rest my case.
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anonymous - August 13th, 2010 at 2:21 pm

bad
first off what if a manchester united-like defensive crisis happens, a month into the season the team is gonna have to play their midfielders in defence
second, teams cannot give youngsters a tryout or something in those squash matches, so basically how are these guys supposed to impress if they dont get the chance and say tom cleverly could become a superstar in the future if given enough game time but what manager is gonna get rid of nani/gibson/carrick/anderson players who are arguably more experienced and currently more reliable